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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:51:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:52:51 PM EDT
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They probable served Liberty Safes a subpoena to go along with the search warrant they had to search his house. That way they didn't have to have someone drill and destory the safe.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:56:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Yes but they were Muslims |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:57:37 PM EDT
[#5]
Subpoenas are a thing
I wouldn't look down on a company obeying a judge's order for a legal defendant. I know, I know, freedom uber alles and shit |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:59:08 PM EDT
[#6]
My question is how? Either the guy I purchased my safe from lied to me, or is a damn good dealer.
When he delivered my safe he told me there was no combo set and we came up with a series of numbers and that’s what opens my safe. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 8:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Subpoenas are a thing I wouldn't look down on a company obeying a judge's order for a legal defendant. I know, I know, freedom uber alles and shit |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:00:53 PM EDT
[#8]
How does liberty know the safe code?
I have a liberty safe, but I did not purchase it directly from liberty? I'm asking for a friend of course. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:01:18 PM EDT
[#9]
Has Liberty Safe lost a customer?
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:01:31 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Apple had a system where they didn't have a backdoor to unlock the phone. They were able to show that they couldn't comply. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does liberty know the safe code? I have a liberty safe, but I did not purchase it directly from liberty? I'm asking for a friend of course. Serial number I assume.... |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:02:42 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does liberty know the safe code? I have a liberty safe, but I did not purchase it directly from liberty? I'm asking for a friend of course. Electronic or the spin dial kind? Not that that matters. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does liberty know the safe code? I have a liberty safe, but I did not purchase it directly from liberty? I'm asking for a friend of course. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:03:29 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Some companies volunteered it. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:04:15 PM EDT
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If liberty had a backdoor into the lock, why do they pay a locksmith to break your lock, doesn't make sense, they could save themselves a lot of money and headache...
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:04:21 PM EDT
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This doesn't pass the smell test.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:04:50 PM EDT
[#17]
I hate to say this, but in the face of a subpoena, the information is being given up one way or another. I wouldn't expect any different out of whatever company you use for safes.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:05:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some companies volunteered it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Some companies volunteered it. IIRC the phone companies were falling over themselves to hand over any data to the feds |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:05:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate to say this, but in the face of a subpoena, the information is being given up one way or another. I wouldn't expect any different out of whatever company you use for safes. If there is a backdoor, I would bet its the lock maker, not the safe builder.... |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:07:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted: Can anyone conform this? Hodge twins claim Liberty safe gave safe codes of J6 protestor upon his arrest 8/30/23. "...flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. " |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:07:38 PM EDT
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The only people exempt from a subpoena is the DoJ. "Oh look, a Congressional subpoena. Don't even put it in the recycle bin. Trash it."
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:07:41 PM EDT
[#22]
When you buy a safe does it have the combo in the owners manual?
If so the company has that info to cross refference with the name & serial #. Of course if you paid cash and didn't fill out the warranty card or bought 2nd hand it reduces the chance of a friendly hand over. I changed my combo the very next day ( as soon as I could get a guy out there) So no they don't have my current combo just the one that was listed in the manual. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:08:10 PM EDT
[#23]
They’d get in the safe either way. It all just depends on the time it takes, the feds would have all year.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:08:21 PM EDT
[#24]
They have time for this but not the 22,000 classified emails on Hillary's server or Hunter's laptop scandals.
There is no honor in working for federal law enforcement. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:08:27 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically any company will do that when required via legal means. This isn't even slightly implausible. Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. There's no comparison there. The feds didn't ask Liberty to break into the safe. They would have had a warrant for information they may have had - the combination of the safe when it was shipped. In the case of Apple, Apple doesn't have your passcode. The feds can present a warrant for it, but Apple doesn't have it. The feds could then demand that Apple break into the phone with brute force or a backdoor, or whatever. And I think most of those demands would fail to pass muster in courts. And, it doesn't even matter, because LE can be inside a Liberty safe in five minutes. "Oh, no, Bob! A Liberty safe! What are we going to do?" |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:09:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you buy a safe does it have the combo in the owners manual? If so the company has that info to cross refference with the name & serial #. Of course if you paid cash and didn't fill out the warranty card or bought 2nd hand it reduces the chance of a friendly hand over. I changed my combo the very next day ( as soon as I could get a guy out there) So no they don't have my current combo just the one that was listed in the manual. I think what's being said here (and is actually well known) is that they don't need YOUR combo. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:09:45 PM EDT
[#27]
My safe has a defect. One of the numbers is off by .5
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:09:58 PM EDT
[#28]
What did the feds think was in the safe?
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:10:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does liberty know the safe code? I have a liberty safe, but I did not purchase it directly from liberty? I'm asking for a friend of course. Serial number |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:11:33 PM EDT
[#30]
I thought everyone changed the combos to their safe every few years to avoid this problem?
It's not that hard to do. 
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:11:46 PM EDT
[#31]
I can't speak for all safes, but the majority of digital code safes are shipped with a combination that is unique to the serial number...as long as they know the SN, they can release the combination. I know this, because I've had to request them myself from both Mesa and Sentry. Now, I am not sure they could do anything without the SN....or, if I'd changed the combination from the original.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:12:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think what's being said here (and is actually well known) is that they don't need YOUR combo. Spin dials they do. Why i bought a spin dial. Now the digital ones,no you can get into them even with a dead battery. My friend has had to call twice. Another reason i skipped the digital pad. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:12:41 PM EDT
[#33]
My liberty safe keypad stopped working and they sent me a code to unlock it. It worked.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:12:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes but they were Muslims Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even Apple refused to unlock a phone. Yes but they were Muslims  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:15:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought everyone changed the combos to their safe every few years to avoid this problem? It's not that hard to do. It might defeat an angry wife who calls the manufacturer, but it's not going to do shit to stop LE that has a warrant to search the safe. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:16:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My question is how? Either the guy I purchased my safe from lied to me, or is a damn good dealer. When he delivered my safe he told me there was no combo set and we came up with a series of numbers and that’s what opens my safe. If it's electronic, it has a master code to get in |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:17:02 PM EDT
[#37]
Well yeah, that second stack-on cabinet in the corner had all of my powder and primers in it. The door was a little bent, so it rubbed and sparked if you didn't open it just right. If y'all had only asked me before you had tried to open it...
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:17:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does liberty know the safe code? I have a liberty safe, but I did not purchase it directly from liberty? I'm asking for a friend of course. Back door codes |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:18:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have time for this but not the 22,000 classified emails on Hillary's server or Hunter's laptop scandals. There is no honor in working for federal law enforcement. Agreed. The Amerikan KGB. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:19:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If liberty had a backdoor into the lock, why do they pay a locksmith to break your lock, doesn't make sense, they could save themselves a lot of money and headache... you would pay for the locksmith, for .gov they have backdoor codes |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:19:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's electronic, it has a master code to get in That's not what Mesa told me....they stated that once the code has been changed, they can no longer help (unless it also takes a key). |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:21:18 PM EDT
[#42]
This story sounds funky. I have bought 4 safes. Each time, the installer asks what combo I want. He sets the combo, and leaves. No records kept.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:21:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's electronic, it has a master code to get in Yea mine are old school. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:21:53 PM EDT
[#44]
Ironic company name is ironic
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:25:36 PM EDT
[#45]
12345? That's the same combination as my luggage!
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:25:51 PM EDT
[#46]
A construction gas powered abrasive wheel saw will get into any liberty safe in a few minutes .
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:26:12 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "...flipped his house upside down in a search. The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode to get into it too. " |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:26:37 PM EDT
[#48]
The first thing I did when I bought mine was reset the combo to my own numbers.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:27:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A construction gas powered abrasive wheel saw will get into any liberty safe in a few minutes . Shhh. Don't tell that to the "real" safe guys who spent $20k+ on a "real" safe instead of a mere residential security container. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 9:28:36 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A construction gas powered abrasive wheel saw will get into any liberty safe in a few minutes .  |
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