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Link Posted: 5/9/2024 6:25:49 PM EDT
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White House Aide Warns Israel Against ‘Smashing Into Rafah’    Link

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White House spokesman warned on Thursday that Israel “smashing into Rafah” would not eradicate Hamas as he urged the country to find alternatives to the long-threatened assault on a city where more than a million Palestinians are sheltering.

John F. Kirby, a White House national security spokesman, said President Biden shares Israel’s goal of eradicating the terrorist group.

“An enduring defeat of Hamas certainly remains the Israeli goal, and we share that goal with them,” Mr. Kirby said. “Smashing into Rafah, in his view, will not advance that objective, will not get to that sustainable and enduring defeat of Hamas.”

Mr. Kirby said the United States was still working with Israel on ways it can help it defeat Hamas, such as ensuring that the border between Gaza and Egypt cannot be used for smuggling weapons and targeting Hamas’s leaders.
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Taking military advice from Team Biden is like the KC Chiefs taking advice from the Carolina Panthers.

Eradicating Hamas, or the more realistic objective of degrading their ability to launch a major attack on Israel, depends on destruction of the tunnel network.  Which tactic are you suggesting to destroy Hamas' tunnels, John?  You can't detect and destroy all of them remotely.   Destroying them with standoff weapons after they have been discovered by troops on the ground requires some variant of a MK-84, the same bombs you just "held".  Hamas purposely built tunnels under hospitals, mosques, apartment buildings, schools, and UN agency buildings.  How are you going to deal with those if not with ground forces?

Targeting Hamas leaders will help Israel in the short and medium terms but will not, by itself, eradicate Hamas.  With a group like Hamas, targeted killings can be effective over time only when coupled with attacks on all levels of an organization.  

Israelis have been killing Hamas leaders for decades, at one point killing one of the founders, Sheikh Yasin then killing his replacement three weeks later. An example from the current operation--a  Hamas battalion in north Gaza had its commander killed, then his replacement was killed, then the replacement's replacement earned his martyr status.  That battalion, or what's left of it, are still carrying out attacks on Israeli forces.  

Targeted killings are a tactic, not a strategy; Israel should continue killing leaders and key commanders wherever and whenever they can, but it isn't a "silver bullet".

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institute for Study of War Backgrounder 9 May

Key Takeaways

Gaza Strip
Israeli forces continued to conduct a limited operation into eastern Rafah on May 9. Israeli forces have destroyed 10 tunnel shafts and killed around 50 Palestinian fighters since entering eastern Rafah.  

Hamas detonated a tunnel shaft near East Rafah, injuring three Israeli soldiers. Palestinian militias also fired small arms and conducted indirect fire attacks targeting Israeli forces entering eastern Rafah.

US officials told NBC that Israel has refused to agree to a ceasefire deal with Hamas unless the IDF can proceed with a military operation into Rafah.  The officials said that the Netanyahu government wants to conduct military operations into Rafah even during a ceasefire.

[President Biden] said that, should Israel advance military operations into populated areas, the United States would not supply artillery shells, bombs for fighter jets, and other unspecified offensive weapons during a televised interview with CNN published on May 8.

Israeli negotiators left Cairo on May 9 with no planned return for further ceasefire talks.

Hamas conducted a rocket attack from eastern Rafah targeting Kerem Shalom on May 8.  The first salvo of rockets fell short of Israel. second attack injured an Israeli soldier. The IDF separately reported on May 9 that an unidentified object launched from the Gaza Strip fell in Israel without causing damage.

West Bank
Israeli forces engaged Palestinian fighters in at least one location in the West Bank on May 9.  The IDF detained 31 wanted individuals in the West Bank during overnight operations, including two Hamas fighter.  Israeli forces confiscated incendiary materials. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades targeted Israeli forces in Qabatiya, Jenin governorate, with small arms fire.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
The IDF conducted a drone strike that killed four Hezbollah Radwan fighters in Balfiyeh in southern Lebanon on May 9.  Lebanese Hezbollah mourned the deaths of three of its fighters on May 9, presumably from Israeli strikes.

Iraq
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—claimed three attacks targeting Israel.  Israel was likely responsible for an airstrike targeting a Harakat Hezbollah al Nujaba (HHN) site in Sayyida Zeinab, Syria, on May 9.

Syria
Israel was likely responsible for an airstrike targeting a Harakat Hezbollah al Nujaba site in Sayyida Zeinab, Syria.

Yemen
Houthi supreme leader Abdul Malik al Houthi said during a speech that the Houthis would escalate attacks against Israel following Israel’s limited operation into Rafah.
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White House Aide Warns Israel Against 'Smashing Into Rafah'    Link

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Taking military advice from Team Biden is like the KC Chiefs taking advice from the Carolina Panthers.

Eradicating Hamas, or the more realistic objective of degrading their ability to launch a major attack on Israel, depends on destruction of the tunnel network.  Which tactic are you suggesting to destroy Hamas' tunnels, John?  You can't detect and destroy all of them remotely.   Destroying them with standoff weapons after they have been discovered by troops on the ground requires some variant of a MK-84, the same bombs you just "held".  Hamas purposely built tunnels under hospitals, mosques, apartment buildings, schools, and UN agency buildings.  How are you going to deal with those if not with ground forces?

Targeting Hamas leaders will help Israel in the short and medium terms but will not, by itself, eradicate Hamas.  With a group like Hamas, targeted killings can be effective over time only when coupled with attacks on all levels of an organization.  

Israelis have been killing Hamas leaders for decades, at one point killing one of the founders, Sheikh Yasin then killing his replacement three weeks later. An example from the current operation--a  Hamas battalion in north Gaza had its commander killed, then his replacement was killed, then the replacement's replacement earned his martyr status.  That battalion, or what's left of it, are still carrying out attacks on Israeli forces.  

Targeted killings are a tactic, not a strategy; Israel should continue killing leaders and key commanders wherever and whenever they can, but it isn't a "silver bullet".

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the white house has provided ZERO altrnative for destroying hamas.  So it can fuck right off
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 1:06:32 AM EDT
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No jdams,, no need for precision, drop a nuke
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 2:07:36 AM EDT
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Biden is and has been a fucking traitor. Not only for and to the American people, but to everyone else.


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Let's be clear.  FJB is a rotting piece of feces.  But he has nothing to do with what is going on now.  He can't remember who just shat his pants, no way he is directing anything with any foreign government.


It is all the people behind the curtain, and most likely FBHO and his crew.
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 4:01:52 AM EDT
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Let's be clear.  FJB is a rotting piece of feces.  But he has nothing to do with what is going on now.  He can't remember who just shat his pants, no way he is directing anything with any foreign government.


It is all the people behind the curtain, and most likely FBHO and his crew.
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You are correct.  There has been no doubt about this since January 2021.
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 5:29:55 AM EDT
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Tomorrow Eden Golan will represent Israel at Eurovision, a music contest in which she is a candidate for victory. Here's her official video:



Here's the link to vote for her:
https://www.esc.vote/
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the white house has provided ZERO altrnative for destroying hamas.  So it can fuck right off
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This.
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 9:26:30 AM EDT
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Israeli fighter jets struck buildings and other infrastructure belonging to Hezbollah in the southern Lebanon towns of Kafr Kila, Alma ash-Shab, and Yaroun:



Israel Defense Forces operate against Hamas in Rafah.



Joe Rogan for calling out “roaches” like Jake Sheilds, who have “come out of the woodwork” since Oct 7



Two armed Hezbollah terrorist were struck by the Israeli Air Force in southern Lebanon's Yaroun earlier today



Remembering SGT Adi 🕯️ Israel Defense Forces:

Link Posted: 5/10/2024 9:45:58 AM EDT
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the white house has provided ZERO altrnative for destroying hamas.  So it can fuck right off
This.

There really aren't any alternatives.  At this point, with Hamas dug in as they are, you have to go in and deal with them block by block.  Air power and standoff weapons can be effective tools for coercion and interdiction--for instance, against an insurgency completely dependent on outside forces for support--if used properly, but once you get to where Gaza is now, it is boots on the ground.  The tunnels make everything worse, because as long as they exist Hamas or whoever takes their place remains a danger.

And being honest, Team Biden wouldn't employ air power or standoff weapons properly anyway. They"d blow up Mohammed Deif and Sinwar, take a picture with all the "trans" troops they can find in front of a banner that reads "America is Back", and move on to their next grift.

ETA--this the perfect example of why "targeted killings" are not the solution to the Gaza conflict.  Zeitoun was one of the first places Israel occupied in northern Gaza.  They had troops camped out there for months.  Zeitoun was one of the sectors where Israel killed battalion commanders and their replacements.  Hamas and its allies of convenience have had 18 years since Israel's withdrawal to turn the place into an urban death maze.  That will not change because you kill a few leaders.

School complex usually means a UN building.

Four Israeli soldiers were killed during fighting against Hamas in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood this morning, the military announces.

The troops are named as:

Sgt. Itay Livny, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Ramat Hasharon.

Sgt. Yosef Dassa, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Kiryat Bialik.

Sgt. Ermiyas Mekuriyaw, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Beersheba.

Sgt. Daniel Levy, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Kiryat Motzkin

Another officer and soldier of the 931st Battalion were seriously wounded in the same incident.

According to an initial IDF probe, the four soldiers were killed by an explosive device or devices in an alleyway.

The troops had been raiding a school complex where the military had indications of Hamas activity. Weaponry and at least one tunnel was discovered in the area of the school.

Separately, another two soldiers of the 401st Armored Brigade's 9th Battalion were seriously wounded by RPG fire on a tank in the Rafah area of southern Gaza.


IDF: Terror infrastructure destroyed in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood, tunnel shafts uncovered in east Rafah
The Israel Defense Forces said Friday that terrorist infrastructure was destroyed and Hamas weapons and intelligence were located during a raid in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood.

In another operation in eastern Rafah, Israeli military forces are working to destroy terrorist infrastructure and locate weapons and tunnel shafts. According to the IDF, dozens of terrorists were killed during the operation.


Palestinian sources: Hamas and other factions to intensify fighting against IDF in northern Gaza in coming days
Palestinian sources in the Gaza Strip said that Hamas and other combat factions intend to increase their operations against the Israel Defense Forces in northern Gaza and Gaza City in the coming days.

The goal, according to them, is to convey a message to Israel that there are still functioning command and control systems in the northern Gaza Strip even after seven months of fighting, and that a Rafah offensive will not end the war.
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Link to liveblog articles below.  Visit link periodically for updates.

Even the bugs are Hamas
The IDF announced that, while operating in the Gaza Strip, soldiers encountered a wasp nest, reporting that a dozen soldiers were treated for wasp stings.  One soldier is in moderate condition, and 11 others are lightly wounded from the stings.
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According to a CNN report, Hamas is demanding an initial 12-week ceasefire in the most recent round of negotiations, with Israel staunchly opposed.
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Netanyahu on post-war Gaza: It will have to be a civilian gov't receiving assistance from UAE, Saudi Arabia
In an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked about what post-war Gaza will look like, and said that "there will probably have to have a civilian government... with Gazans that are not committed to our destruction. Possibly, I think, with the aid of the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and other countries who want stability and peace."
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IDF names four soldiers killed in Gaza combat
The Israel Defense Forces released Friday the names of four soldiers killed in combat in the Gaza Strip, and added that four other soldiers were severely wounded.

The four soldiers killed are Sergeant Itay Livny, 19, from Ramat HaSharon; Sergeant Yosef Dassa, 19, of Kiryat Bialik; Sergeant Ermiyas Mekuriyaw, 19, from Be'er Sheva; and Sergeant Daniel Levy, 19, from Kiryat Motzkin.
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Four Israeli soldiers were killed during fighting against Hamas in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood this morning, the military announces.

The troops are named as:

Sgt. Itay Livny, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Ramat Hasharon.

Sgt. Yosef Dassa, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Kiryat Bialik.

Sgt. Ermiyas Mekuriyaw, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Beersheba.

Sgt. Daniel Levy, 19, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Kiryat Motzkin

Another officer and soldier of the 931st Battalion were seriously wounded in the same incident.

According to an initial IDF probe, the four soldiers were killed by an explosive device or devices in an alleyway.

The troops had been raiding a school complex where the military had indications of Hamas activity. Weaponry and at least one tunnel was discovered in the area of the school.

Separately, another two soldiers of the 401st Armored Brigade's 9th Battalion were seriously wounded by RPG fire on a tank in the Rafah area of southern Gaza.
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Palestinian sources: Hamas and other factions to intensify fighting against IDF in northern Gaza in coming days
Palestinian sources in the Gaza Strip said that Hamas and other combat factions intend to increase their operations against the Israel Defense Forces in northern Gaza and Gaza City in the coming days.

The goal, according to them, is to convey a message to Israel that there are still functioning command and control systems in the northern Gaza Strip even after seven months of fighting, and that a Rafah offensive will not end the war.
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IDF: Terror infrastructure destroyed in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood, tunnel shafts uncovered in east Rafah
The Israel Defense Forces said Friday that terrorist infrastructure was destroyed and Hamas weapons and intelligence were located during a raid in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood.

In another operation in eastern Rafah, Israeli military forces are working to destroy terrorist infrastructure and locate weapons and tunnel shafts. According to the IDF, dozens of terrorists were killed during the operation.
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Israeli Air Force strikes Hezbollah targets in south Lebanon
The Israel Defense Forces announced Friday that the Air Force struck Hezbollah infrastructure in a number of villages, as well as two Hezbollah operatives carrying weapons, in areas near Israel's border with Lebanon.

In southern Lebanon, two deaths were also reported as the result of an Israeli strike in the town of Tayr Harfa. According to the reports, the two killed were technicians for a communications company who were repairing infrastructure in coordination with the Lebanese army.
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Here's what you need to know on day 217 of the war
■ In an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw, PM Netanyahu said that "there will probably have to have a civilian government... with Gazans that are not committed to our destruction… with the aid of the UAE, Saudi Arabia and other countries."

■ According to a CNN report, Hamas is demanding an initial 12-week ceasefire in the most recent round of negotiations, with Israel staunchly opposed.

■ Netanyahu also told Dr. Phil that the October 7 failures are 'first of all' to the Israeli government: 'People weren't protected.'

■ Spain, Ireland and other European Union member countries plan to recognize a Palestinian state on May 21, the EU's foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, said

■ UNRWA says 110,000 people have fled Rafah as the IDF is operating in the area.

■ Israeli tanks have reportedly captured the main road dividing the eastern and western halves of Rafah on Friday, effectively encircling the entire eastern side of the city.

■ The IDF announced that, while operating in the Gaza Strip, soldiers encountered a wasp nest, reporting that a dozen soldiers were treated for wasp stings.

■ UNWRA's East Jerusalem headquarters temporarily closed after 'Israeli residents set fire' to the compound's perimeter, according to agency head Philippe Lazzarini.
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With a little help from Moscow and Beijing, Israel lost the social media battle
In the days and hours after the blast in Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on October 17, social media was rife with claims that Israel was responsible for it. Though it turned out not to be the case, even today, false posts about what happened there continue to appear online, claiming without a shadow of a doubt that it was the IDF that bombed the hospital.

Many in Israel consider these posts as no more than false propaganda – fake news designed to shift international public opinion on the war in the Gaza Strip. But social media researchers and activists who fight fake news see something else: Israel's total failure in its "hasbara" (public diplomacy) campaign, which has come despite an abundance of warning signs.

An analysis of these posts and of other similar ones, demonstrates that its not just popular online support boosting the false claims. Those active against the Israeli narrative are well organized. According to several social media researchers, Israeli high-tech workers who volunteered in the different influence efforts, and sources in the Israeli intelligence community, an array of forces have aligned to back the pro-Palestinian narrative.
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Update--they ran over the nest with a tank



Twelve soldiers were wounded after being stung by wasps in the southern Gaza Strip earlier today.

The incident occured amid an operation by the Gaza Division's Southern Brigade in the border area, near the community of Nirim.

A tank had driven over a large wasp nest, leading the insects to sting the troops. One of the soldiers is listed in moderate condition, and the other 11 are lightly hurt, the IDF says.

They were taken to a hospital in Israel for treatment.
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Longer article in Jerusalem Post about wasp incident.  One soldier is in the ICU.  Link. The article refers to the stinging insects as "wasps", "hornets", and " bees", so who knows what they really were.

In February they reported problems with stray dogs.  Link
IDF combat soldiers were the target of attacks by packs of stray dogs inside the Gaza Strip over the past several days, KAN News reported on Tuesday, citing combat soldiers and other sources within the Israeli military.

The report, first revealed on KAN Reshet B's noon radio show, claimed that hundreds of wild canines have been approaching soldiers at military gathering areas across the northern Gaza Strip.

No IDF soldier was reported to have been injured by the dogs, who were reported by combat soldiers on the ground as being overly aggressive, "growling and baring teeth while approaching and trying to bite the troops," the report noted.
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The clear fear around the IDF offensive tells me that they are a lot more worried about the destruction of Hamas' offensive capability than they want to let on. Good.
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The deal from Clinton was that they stop making their own and buy ours with the lease payments on Gaza and the west bank. The $$ never actually leave the US.
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Israel should just make their own JDAMS. They cant be that hard to make vs. other things they can do.


The deal from Clinton was that they stop making their own and buy ours with the lease payments on Gaza and the west bank. The $$ never actually leave the US.

The companies Israel has been dealing with likely won’t like Biden interfering.  Lindsay Graham’s phone was probably the first of many that started ringing when this was announced.  Considering the amount of power defense companies have, I don’t think Biden is going to be allowed to do what he wants here.
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The clear fear around the IDF offensive tells me that they are a lot more worried about the destruction of Hamas' offensive capability than they want to let on. Good.
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I agree.  I think Egypt knows much more about weapons smuggling than they want to admit, it was probably allowed to let generals get rich and hopefully cause fewer problems for the president and keep Egypt stable. I think US intelligence knows more about it as well and said nothing for the same reason..  

I think Hamas pulled most of their Nukhba troops, trainers, and experts on key systems south as well, to allow for quick "respawning" of capabilities after the war.
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If we were attacked like Israel was we wouldn't let up,  I certainly don't expect them to either.

War to the knife, knife to the hilt...
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 5:50:08 PM EDT
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Biden admin says it’s ‘reasonable to assess’ Israel used American weapons in ways ‘inconsistent’ with international law

This is insane and Biden should be ashamed of himself (but I'm sure he isn't, if he even understands what he is saying).
Link Posted: 5/10/2024 6:47:12 PM EDT
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Biden admin says it’s ‘reasonable to assess’ Israel used American weapons in ways ‘inconsistent’ with international law

This is insane and Biden should be ashamed of himself (but I'm sure he isn't, if he even understands what he is saying).
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They admit that and continued to send ordnance to Israel anyway, so now he and his team are potentially guilty of being accomplices to war crimes. They removed their own legal fig leaf.  No way they can say that, in their judgement, Israel's use of US arms was good.

They are the most incompetent government this country has ever had.   Politically, diplomatically, militarily, economically.
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Liveblog articles below can be found here.

The Israeli army says that Hamas' launch sites in Rafah, from which rockets were launched toward the southern city of Be'er Sheva earlier on Friday, were struck and destroyed.
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Firefighters trying to extinguish blazes that broke out following rocket barrages at Kiryat Shmona.

Firefighters are still trying to extinguish blazes that broke out following the rocket barrages that were fired from Lebanon at the Kiryat Shmona area earlier Friday.

According to the National Fire and Rescue Authority, crews are extinguishing fires at two locations in open areas in the region.

The commander of the Authority's northern command, Brig. Yair Elyakam, said "The weather, combined with the heavy barrage, resulted in multiple [fire] scenes – a scenario for which we prepared and to which we responded with increased manpower accordingly."
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White House says cease-fire talks have concluded, gaps on Gaza deal can still be surmounted.  Just one problem, John.  Israel does not occupy southern Gaza in any meaningful way, thus they are not the "occupying power" and aren't responsible for feeding civilians that are in areas Hamas controls.  You should have rebuked Hamas for not laying down their arms to allow aid to enter.
In-person talks on a Gaza ceasefire-for-hostages agreement have concluded for now with no deal, but the U.S. believes remaining gaps can be surmounted, the White House said on Friday.

"Obviously we don't have a deal and that's deeply regrettable," White House national security spokesperson John Kirby told reporters.

He said that while the in-person meetings have ended, "we are working hard to keep both sides engaged in continuing the discussion, if only virtually ... We still believe that a deal is possible." He added that an agreement will require leadership and moral courage.

Kirby also said the U.S. is watching Israel's military operations in the southern Gaza city of Rafah with concern and wants the Rafah crossing reopened immediately.

He said the activity there did not appear to reflect a large-scale invasion. "It appears to be localized near the crossing and largely with the forces they had put in there at the beginning. That said, we are watching it with concern," Kirby said.

"One again, we urge the Israelis to open up that crossing to humanitarian assistance immediately," he added.
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New satellite images show rapid emptying of Rafah refugee camps
According to UN estimates, over 110,000 people have fled Rafah since Monday due to the entry of Israeli military forces into the eastern outskirts of the city.

Recent satellite images show the rapid emptying of the refugee camps that were set up in Rafah in earlier stages of the war.
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Here are the latest updates on day 217 of the Israel-Hamas war
■ The Israeli army named four soldiers that were killed in an explosion in the northern Gaza Strip.

■ Over 30 rockets were fired from Lebanon at northern Israel, resulting in multiple fires breaking out. Fourteen rockets were fired from Rafah and central Gaza at Israel's south.

■ Israel's security and war cabinet approved continued IDF activity in Rafah.

■ The UN General Assembly backed a Palestinian bid for membership; the U.S. and Israel voted against the resolution.

■ A soon-to-be released Biden administration report does not conclude that Israel has violated the terms for its use of U.S. weapons, according to AP sources.

■ Hamas will hold consultations with Palestinian factions to reconsider its truce negotiating strategy, a statement said.

■ Palestinian sources said that Hamas and other factions will intensify fighting against the IDF in northern Gaza in the coming days.

■ Israel's defense and finance ministers sparred over the procurement of F-35 aircraft from the U.S.
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This is increasingly the story of the whole war. The tactic of going into one place...the terrorists all move to the place nearby...then the forces leave and the terrorists return...then the forces go into place number 2...the terrorists go to place 3...then the forces go into place 3....the terrorists go back to place 1....the forces go into place 1...terrorists go to place 4...

It's so obviously a problematic tactic and not a strategy...but there are rooms full of people that think it is working.

And given the fact that Hamas is not being defeated, it leaves serious questions about any tactic/strategy against Hezbollah. If Hamas, which is smaller, is being chased around like this...then what it the plan for Hezbollah.

And precision airstrikes are not a plan...they don't accomplish much. This is obvious. Seven months of airstrikes in Lebanon have not, apparently, reduced Hezbollah capabilities at all. Because airstrikes on empty sheds don't win wars.

Everyone knows this...but it's easier to count empty sheds struck with precision munitions...and easier to claim huge numbers of terrorists eliminated in Gaza, than see the Hamas forest for trees....or the Hezbollah elephant in the room.
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October 7th cannot become Palestinian Independence Day. IMO that would send a signal to all terrorist groups (Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah, Iran) in the Middle East that terrorism works and is rewarded. If there is to be a Palestinian state it should be through a political process founded on an abandonment of terrorism and a recognition of all parties to exist.
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Can't post tweet, not sure why.  Use link.  Video of Hamas shooting Gazans.
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Video out of Gaza shows Hamas gunmen opening fire at Gazan civilians — allegedly for stealing.

This is how the Hamas terror regime treats its own people.

Undoubtedly, any deaths from instances like this get lumped into casualties of the war and blamed on Israel.
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Sorry about that, not sure why it doesn't work for everyone.  Link worked before and still works for me.  

At any rate, here's the video in a different feed.


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Links from original post.  Might not work.
Video out of Gaza shows Hamas gunmen opening fire at Gazan civilians — allegedly for stealing.
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This is how the Hamas terror regime treats its own people.
Undoubtedly, any deaths from instances like this get lumped into casualties of the war and blamed on Israel.

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Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 10 May

Key Takeaways

Palestinian activity in north Gaza (Zeitoun)
Palestinian militias conducted at least 17 attacks targeting the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in Zaytoun on May 10, suggesting that Hamas was able either to preserve or reconstitute military capability in Zaytoun despite IDF operations there. The IDF launched a re-clearing operation into Zaytoun neighborhood, southern Gaza City, on May 8, marking the third time that the IDF has conducted a clearing operation. there.

Hamas fighters used snipers, rocket-propelled grenades, and mortars in five of the 17 attacks.  The ops tempo demonstrated isn't typical of a defeated or demoralized force.

Hamas infiltrated and began reconstituting itself in the northern Strip after the IDF withdrawal in December 2023. ans to fight.  Palestinian militias retain the will and the means to continue disrupting and defending against IDF raids, as evidenced by the rate of Palestinian militia attacks during this raid.

The resilience of Hamas and other Palestinian militia groups in Zaytoun is a strong indicator that an IDF operation in Rafah will not destroy Hamas.

Hamas has survived as a military entity in the remainder of the Strip, including north Gaza. Hamas is active outside of Zaytoun in areas the IDF has not attempted to re-clear.  The group has targeted Israeli forces east of Jabalia, six kilometers north of Zaytoun.  This would indicate Hamas cells have a safe areas, most likely in Jabalia or northern Shujaiya.  The IDF has not conducted operations in either of these areas since it began drawing down its forces in the Gaza Strip.

Gaza Strip
The IDF 2nd Reservist Infantry Brigade and Nahal Brigade continued a limited raid targeting Palestinian militias in Zaytoun. The IDF Nahal They enggaged Palestinian fighters at close range and directed airstrikes; seized small arms, ammunition; and Hamas intelligence material.

The Air Force bombed a building that was "booby-trapped".  Local sources reported that Israeli armor operated near the Dawla Roundabout. Israeli forces operated in these specific zones of Zaytoun in two previous operations in Nov 2023 and Feb 2024.

Israeli forces continued to defend against Palestinian militia attacks on Netzarim Corridor. The 679th Brigade directed an airstrike on a Palestinian militia cell departing a munitions warehouse.  

Hamas and Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine–General Command (PFLP-GC) fighters fired rockets at Israeli positions on the Netzarim Corridor.  PFLP-GC is a Palestinian faction based primarily in Syria.  The faction receives support from Iran and has cooperated with other elements of the Axis of Resistance.

The Israeli cabinet unanimously approved an expansion of IDF operations in Rafah. Two unspecified sources with knowledge of the operational plans told Axios that the approved "measured expansion" does not cross US President Joe Biden’s "red line" for a “major military operation“ in Rafah.

A third source disagreed and said that the approved operation could be interpreted by the US as crossing Biden's red line.  US President Joe Biden said on May 8 that the United States will stop supplying Israel with certain weapons if Israel conducts a major military operation into Rafah.

IDF operations in eastern Rafah remained limited. The IDF Givati Brigade (162nd Division) continued to operate in eastern Rafah to destroy militia infrastructure.  The IDF has killed dozens of fighters, located tunnel shafts, and seized weapons since beginning limited clearing operations.  The IDF 401st Armored Brigade (162nd Division) also engaged several Palestinian militia cells near the Rafah crossing.

Hamas conducted three tactically sophisticated attacks targeting Israeli forces in Rafah.  One attack targeted Israeli forces with thermobaric bombs, rocket-propelled grenades, and anti-personnel rockets in a multi-stage attack.

Two other attacks targeted Israeli forces using a tunnel shaft and a pre-laid minefield near a military site in eastern Gaza.  The sophisticated nature of these attacks required planning, coordination, and organization, further underscoring that the Hamas battalions in Rafah are cohesive fighting units that can mount a deliberate defense against Israeli clearing operations.

Palestinian militias, including Hamas, conducted 18 total attacks against an IDF advance into eastern Rafah on May 10.   The militias conducted at least eight mortar or rocket attacks targeting Israeli forces in the eastern Rafah neighborhoods of al Shoka, al Salam, and al Bayuk on May 10.

Palestinian fighters also engaged Israeli forces eight times near a military site in the al Bayuk area along the Salah al Din Road.[39]

UN officials stated on May 10 that no fuel and “virtually no” humanitarian aid has entered the Gaza Strip for five days.

The Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT)—a department within the Israeli Defense Ministry—said that 200,000 liters of fuel entered the Kerem Shalom crossing on May 10. UN officials told the Washington Post that the aid trucks that the IDF had allowed to enter through the Kerem Shalom crossing were unable to move further into the Gaza Strip due to heavy fighting near the crossing.

Palestinian militias conducted seven indirect fire attacks from the Gaza Strip targeting southern Israel.  Hamas conducted five of the seven attacks, including two separate rocket barrages on Beer Sheva and a mortar attack on a military site near Kerem Shalom.

West Bank
Israeli forces have engaged Palestinian fighters in at least one location in the West Bank.  Unspecified fighters fired small arms at  Israeli forces in Rafidia, near Nablus.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
Lebanese Hezbollah has conducted at least eight attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel.

The number of attacks was consistent Hezbollah’s daily rate of attacks over the last week. Hezbollah fired at least 20 rockets targeting Kiryat Shmona, damaging to buildings.

The IDF Northern Command conducted military exercises in northern Israel on May 10 to simulate combat in Lebanon.  Units from the 91st Division and Etzion Brigade (36th Division) participated in the exercises, which included practicing coordination in mountainous terrain and resupplying “maneuvering forces” by air.  The IDF said that the exercises are meant to improve readiness for a potential conflict in northern Israel.

Iran
Iranian hardliners are continuing to discuss Iran’s ability to procure a nuclear weapon. These discussions coincide with an April 2024 report that claimed that Iran is attempting to obtain 300 tons of uranium yellowcake from Niger.

A hardline Iranian member of parliament speculated that Iran had developed nuclear weapons in an interview on May 10.[9] Newly-elected Ahmad Bakhshayesh Ardestani told the moderate-aligned Rouydad 24 outlet that Iran had obtained nuclear weapons but had not and would not announce that it had nuclear weapons.

Iraq
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq claimed three drone attacks targeting the “Elifalet” base near Safed in northern Israel, an Israeli gas platform in the Mediterranean Sea, and Ovda Airbase in Eilat, Israel.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq also claimed two drone attacks targeting a separate IDF base and an unspecified “vital target” in Eilat, Israel.
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Hamas publishes footage of Israeli hostage Nadav Popplewell

Hamas published a video of Nadav Poplewell, who was kidnapped from Kibbutz Nirim. Popplewell, 51 years old, was taken to Gaza with his mother Channa Peri, who was released in the hostage deal in November. His brother Roy was killed in the October 7 attacks. In the short video that was published, he identifies himself by name, and is visibly bruised in one of his eyes.
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Israeli army deploys forces to Jabaliya in northern Gaza, say Hamas has reorganized in the area
The IDF deployed forces to the city of Jabaliya, north of Gaza City, months after it announced that Hamas had been defeated ceased to exist as a military framework in the area. On Saturday morning, the army called on Jabaliya's residents to evacuate to western Gaza City in preparation for renewed combat in the area.

According to military officials, after the withdrawal of the forces from the large portions of Gaza last month, Hamas reorganized in the northern region. The army said that after the evacuation of the residents, forces that were initially prepared to operate in Rafah will enter Jabaliya.
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Two residential houses in Metula, near the border with Lebanon, were hit by anti-tank missiles earlier on Saturday.
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Israeli army calls on residents of Jabliya and Beit Lahia in northern Gaza to evacuate to western Gaza City
The IDF Spokesperson in Arabic, Avichay Adraee, called on residents of Jabaliya and Beit Lahiya, two neighborhoods in northern Gaza, to evacuate to western Gaza City. In a post on X, Adraee advised residents that they "are in a dangerous combat zone," and that "Hamas is trying to rebuild its capabilities in the region, and therefore the IDF will work with great force against the terrorist organizations in the region in which you are located, and therefore everyone who is in those areas exposes themselves and their families to danger."

Adraee also called on residents of eastern Rafah to evacuate to the humanitarian zone in the coastal al-Muwasi region in southern Gaza.
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Australia says Palestinian UN membership bid builds peace momentum or more useful idiots in the West. How will this bring peace when you reward the attack of 7 Oct and send a clear message violence against old and infants.
Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said on Saturday the country's support for a Palestinian bid to become a full United Nations member was part of building momentum to secure peace in the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

Australia voted on Friday with the overwhelming majority of the UN General Assembly in backing the resolution that would effectively recognize a Palestinian state. It recommended the Security Council "reconsider the matter favorably."
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France demands Israel to halt assault on Rafah immediately
France on Friday has called on Israel to immediately halt its military operation in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.

The foreign ministry in Paris announced that the military operation is threatening a catastrophic situation for the civilian population in Gaza, who have already been displaced several times and for whom there are no longer any safe areas in the Gaza Strip.

Israel should resume negotiations, it said, as this was the only way to achieve the immediate release of the hostages and a lasting ceasefire.

According to the Foreign Ministry in Paris, Israel must immediately reopen the Rafah Crossing into Egypt, which is essential to both civilian access to humanitarian aid and for the most vulnerable people to leave the Strip.

France also condemned the attacks by Israeli settlers on a Jordanian aid convoy and called on the Israeli authorities to put an end to the settlers' violence.
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Its like you actually have to take and hold territory.
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It's a pretty fundamental counterinsurgency doctrine, insurgency being more the style of warfare that Hamas is conducting despite having actual large military formations.

I think clearing and leaving was done mainly for political reasons.
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Here's what you need to know on day 218 of the war
■ Staff Sgt. Ariel Tsym, 20, from the central Israeli city Modi'in was killed in combat in northern Gaza, according to an IDF announcement.

■ The Israeli army announced that it is establishing a new field hospital in Dir al-Balah in Gaza.

■ A drone exploded in an Israeli town on Lebanon border, no casualties were reported.

■ Egypt has refused to coordinate with Israel on the entry of aid into Gaza from the Rafah crossing due to Israel's "unacceptable escalation", Egypt's state affiliated Alqahera News satellite TV reported.

■ Protests demanding the release of the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza and early elections are taking place on Saturday across Israel.

■ AIPAC issued a statement claiming that the State Dept report shows U.S. President Joe Biden must immediately reverse the pause in arms shipment to Israel.

■ Multiple streets in the northern Israeli city Kiryat Shmona suffered a power cut due to a rocket hitting electricity power line in town.
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IDF says air force struck Hezbollah military building in southern Lebanon

IDF heavily attacks northern Gaza; IDF spokesperson: Hamas tunnel located
The Israeli army has begun heavily attacking in northern Gaza, including aerial and artillery strikes. IDF spokesperson Dinel Hagai said that the forces in Gaza started attacking in the Zaytun neighboorhood, and that they located a tunnel that Hamas used for planning terror attacks.
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Hostile aircraft sirens were activated in multiple towns in northern Israel, including Kfar Yuval, Kfar Giladi and Margaliot.

Egypt refuses to coordinate with Israel on entry of aid from Rafah crossing, Alqahera News reports
Egypt has refused to coordinate with Israel on the entry of aid into Gaza from the Rafah crossing due to Israel's "unacceptable escalation", Egypt's state affiliated Alqahera News satellite TV reported on Saturday, citing a senior official.
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Israeli army returns to Jabaliya, accuses Hamas regrouping on lack of diplomatic process Link to full article.  Full article also in spoiler below.

Jabalya in February.  Jabalya was the site of one of the first controversies in the war, when the IDF bombed an apartment building that completely collapsed due to tunnels dug around its foundation.

The IDF deployed forces to the city of Jabalya, north of Gaza City, months after it announced that the Hamas battalions in it had been defeated, and that it no longer has a military framework in the area.

The IDF claimed, unofficially, that the absence of a clear diplomatic process in conjunction with the fighting and the lack of defined objectives are affecting the military achievements of the war.

Palestinian sources in Gaza told Haaretz that Hamas and other factions are trying to intensify the fighting in the northern part of the Strip and in Gaza City in particular through guerrilla tactics, attempting to convey that the organization is still functioning and in control of what is happening in the Strip.
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Sinwar not hiding in Rafah, officials tell Times of Israel

Officials say recent intel placed the Hamas leader in underground tunnels around Khan Younis, as the accused October 7 mastermind continues to elude Israeli forces in Gaza

Sinwar not hiding in Rafah, officials tell Times of Israel as PM publicly prioritizes IDF op there

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar is not hiding in Rafah, two officials familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel on Friday, as the Israel Defense Forces moves to expand its operations in Gaza’s southernmost city.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has elevated a potential IDF operation in Rafah to the top of his public agenda, with the targeting of Hamas’s leadership believed to still be a major Israeli war aim as well.

The IDF has had some success on this front, killing Hamas military wing deputy commander Marwan Issa — considered the terror group’s No. 3 leader in Gaza — along with other senior commanders in recent months. But Sinwar and his deputy — military wing chief Mohammed Deif — have remained elusive, despite repeated claims by Israeli officials that the IDF was closing in on them.

The two officials speaking to The Times of Israel were unable to say with certainty where Sinwar is currently located, but they cited recent intelligence assessments that placed the Hamas leader in underground tunnels in the Khan Younis area, some five miles north of Rafah.

A third official — an Israeli one — asserted that Sinwar is still in Gaza.

Israel has made eliminating Sinwar a key element of its goal to destroy Hamas. In February, the IDF released footage of what it said was Sinwar walking through a tunnel with several family members, the first time he was apparently spotted since going into hiding before the devastating October 7 onslaught he’s accused of orchestrating, triggering the ongoing war in Gaza.

IDF ground forces began operating in Rafah on Monday, launching a targeted operation in the eastern part of the city aimed at taking over the Gaza side of the border crossing with Egypt. The security cabinet voted Thursday to approve a measured expansion of the Rafah operation in what is aimed at remaining within the scope of what Washington is willing to accept.

US President Joe Biden said he would stop sending certain offensive weapons to the IDF if Israel went forward with a major ground offensive in the population centers of the city where over one million Palestinians are sheltering. He already withheld a shipment of high payload bombs last week amid fears they’d be used in Rafah.

Netanyahu has pledged to launch a major offensive in Rafah for months, arguing that the operation is essential for defeating Hamas, which has four of its remaining six active battalions located in the city.

But one of the officials speaking to The Times of Israel said many Hamas fighters in Rafah have fled northward as Israeli threats of an invasion intensified in recent weeks.

While Israel says 18 of Hamas’s 24 battalions have been dismantled, the terror group’s fighters have managed to regroup and return to areas previously cleared by the IDF.

The IDF was operating in the Gaza City neighborhood of Zeitoun this week for the third time since the war’s outbreak, with security officials warning that the IDF would be forced to continue playing this game of cat and mouse with Hamas until the Israeli government advances a viable alternative to Hamas rule.

While much of the security establishment would like to see the Palestinian Authority — or at least Palestinians linked to the PA — fill the vacuums that the IDF is briefly creating through its operations throughout the Strip, Netanyahu has rejected the idea outright, as his far-right allies have pushed for Israel to permanently occupy the Strip and re-establish settlements there.

Absent a diplomatic strategy to compliment the military operations, many of the IDF’s achievements on the ground have been short-lived, the Israeli official told The Times of Israel.
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I think the journalist and anonymous sources are too harsh on Netanyahu.  The Rafah operation has to go forward regardless of whether Sinwar is there or not.  Rafah is a critical node for Hamas and friends bringing arms and munitions in and sending fighters out for training.  Rafah also holds the key to figuring out who in the region helps insurgents besides the usual suspects.  Sinwar could be on the Moon and Rafah would still be critical to the overall success of the campaign.  Israel is in a tight spot, but there is no silver bullet or "trick they don't want you to know" for dealing with Hamas in Gaza, no matter what John Kirby says.
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Sinwar not hiding in Rafah, officials tell Times of Israel

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I think the journalist and anonymous sources are too harsh on Netanyahu.  The Rafah operation has to go forward regardless of whether Sinwar is there or not.  Rafah is a critical node for Hamas and friends bringing arms and munitions in and sending fighters out for training.  Rafah also holds the key to figuring out who in the region helps insurgents besides the usual suspects.  Sinwar could be on the Moon and Rafah would still be critical to the overall success of the campaign.  Israel is in a tight spot, but there is no silver bullet or "trick they don't want you to know" for dealing with Hamas in Gaza, no matter what John Kirby says.
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Sinwar not hiding in Rafah, officials tell Times of Israel

Officials say recent intel placed the Hamas leader in underground tunnels around Khan Younis, as the accused October 7 mastermind continues to elude Israeli forces in Gaza

Sinwar not hiding in Rafah, officials tell Times of Israel as PM publicly prioritizes IDF op there

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar is not hiding in Rafah, two officials familiar with the matter told The Times of Israel on Friday, as the Israel Defense Forces moves to expand its operations in Gaza’s southernmost city.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has elevated a potential IDF operation in Rafah to the top of his public agenda, with the targeting of Hamas’s leadership believed to still be a major Israeli war aim as well.

The IDF has had some success on this front, killing Hamas military wing deputy commander Marwan Issa — considered the terror group’s No. 3 leader in Gaza — along with other senior commanders in recent months. But Sinwar and his deputy — military wing chief Mohammed Deif — have remained elusive, despite repeated claims by Israeli officials that the IDF was closing in on them.

The two officials speaking to The Times of Israel were unable to say with certainty where Sinwar is currently located, but they cited recent intelligence assessments that placed the Hamas leader in underground tunnels in the Khan Younis area, some five miles north of Rafah.

A third official — an Israeli one — asserted that Sinwar is still in Gaza.

Israel has made eliminating Sinwar a key element of its goal to destroy Hamas. In February, the IDF released footage of what it said was Sinwar walking through a tunnel with several family members, the first time he was apparently spotted since going into hiding before the devastating October 7 onslaught he’s accused of orchestrating, triggering the ongoing war in Gaza.

IDF ground forces began operating in Rafah on Monday, launching a targeted operation in the eastern part of the city aimed at taking over the Gaza side of the border crossing with Egypt. The security cabinet voted Thursday to approve a measured expansion of the Rafah operation in what is aimed at remaining within the scope of what Washington is willing to accept.

US President Joe Biden said he would stop sending certain offensive weapons to the IDF if Israel went forward with a major ground offensive in the population centers of the city where over one million Palestinians are sheltering. He already withheld a shipment of high payload bombs last week amid fears they’d be used in Rafah.

Netanyahu has pledged to launch a major offensive in Rafah for months, arguing that the operation is essential for defeating Hamas, which has four of its remaining six active battalions located in the city.

But one of the officials speaking to The Times of Israel said many Hamas fighters in Rafah have fled northward as Israeli threats of an invasion intensified in recent weeks.

While Israel says 18 of Hamas’s 24 battalions have been dismantled, the terror group’s fighters have managed to regroup and return to areas previously cleared by the IDF.

The IDF was operating in the Gaza City neighborhood of Zeitoun this week for the third time since the war’s outbreak, with security officials warning that the IDF would be forced to continue playing this game of cat and mouse with Hamas until the Israeli government advances a viable alternative to Hamas rule.

While much of the security establishment would like to see the Palestinian Authority — or at least Palestinians linked to the PA — fill the vacuums that the IDF is briefly creating through its operations throughout the Strip, Netanyahu has rejected the idea outright, as his far-right allies have pushed for Israel to permanently occupy the Strip and re-establish settlements there.

Absent a diplomatic strategy to compliment the military operations, many of the IDF’s achievements on the ground have been short-lived, the Israeli official told The Times of Israel.


I think the journalist and anonymous sources are too harsh on Netanyahu.  The Rafah operation has to go forward regardless of whether Sinwar is there or not.  Rafah is a critical node for Hamas and friends bringing arms and munitions in and sending fighters out for training.  Rafah also holds the key to figuring out who in the region helps insurgents besides the usual suspects.  Sinwar could be on the Moon and Rafah would still be critical to the overall success of the campaign.  Israel is in a tight spot, but there is no silver bullet or "trick they don't want you to know" for dealing with Hamas in Gaza, no matter what John Kirby says.

Sinwar is almost certainly hiding in Egypt, but much of his staff is in Rafah. The offensive must go through.
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Troops operating in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood located a cache of weapons at a health clinic, the military says.

The IDF says dozens of gunmen have been killed and many weapons have been captured amid the ongoing raid in Zeitoun.

In Rafah, troops killed several more Hamas gunmen in the eastern part of the city, as well as located several tunnels, the  IDF says.

Also over the past day, the military says airstrikes were carried out against dozens of sites belonging to terror groups, including rocket launchers, observation posts, and other infrastructure.
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UPDATE: Israeli strikes reported in northern Gaza’s Jabaliya after IDF evacuation order

Palestinian media outlets are reporting a series of Israeli strikes in northern Gaza’s Jabaliya.

This morning, the IDF issued an evacuation warning for the area, ahead of a planned operation against Hamas.
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Israeli fighter jets struck a building used by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon's al-Amra a short while ago, the military says.

The IDF also confirms that two explosive-laden drones struck an area near Beit Hillel. No injuries were caused in the attack, which Hezbollah claimed for.

Last night, two more drones launched by Hezbollah at Israel were intercepted by air defenses, the IDF adds.
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This man and the other four were killed during an operation to clear a school complex, almost certainly one of the UNRWA buildings.  
The IDF announces the death of a soldier killed during fighting in Gaza City’s Zeitoun neighborhood on Friday.

He is named as Staff Sgt. Ariel Tsym, 20, of the Nahal Brigade's 931st Battalion, from Modiin.

Tsym was killed during a gun battle with Hamas operatives in Zeitoun, according to an initial IDF probe. The incident took place not long after four troops were killed by an explosive device in the same area.

His death brings the toll of slain troops in the IDF's ground offensive in Gaza and amid operations on the border to 272.
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A Palestinian Islamic Jihad operative who participated in the October 7 onslaught was killed in an Israeli airstrike in the Gaza City neighborhood of Zeitoun, the military says.

It publishes footage of the strike.

Troops of the 99th Division launched the pinpoint raid in Zeitoun in recent days after the IDF identified Hamas regrouping there.

So far, soldiers have killed numerous gunmen destroyed sites belonging to terror groups, and captured weapons, the IDF says.
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Originally Posted By swede1986:Sinwar is almost certainly hiding in Egypt, but much of his staff is in Rafah. The offensive must go through.
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Time will tell, but based on everything that is out there about him--interviews with his primary Shin Bet case-officer; an interview with the former director of the Israeli prison system who knew him for 20 years; interviews with former Hamas political types; and not least, his own book before Amazon pulled it, I think he's still in Gaza.

Key deputies, like his brother, technical experts whose knowledge is critical to rebuilding Hamas--logistics, money laundering, engineers, etc, are who I would expect to leave.  Sinwar acts a lot like the "true believers" in Latin American insurgencies I am more familiar with; those who stuck around to fight to the death in Argentina and Chile when others left for Paris and Rome.
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Biden 'is offering Israel top secret intelligence detailing exact locations of Hamas leaders and their hidden tunnels in bid to stave off full-scale invasion of Rafah'


Biden administration officials are said to be offering Israel exact locations of Hamas leaders in a bid to stop the IDF invading the Gazan city of Rafah.

The president has reportedly offered highly-classified information that also includes the locations of Hamas' secret tunnels to try and stave-off what he fears could be a humanitarian catastrophe.  

The detailed and sensitive talks serve to illustrate the stakes facing Israel and the U.S. Rafah is the last city in Gaza that has not been bombed by Israel.

According to the Washington Post, the U.S. is also proposing to assist in the construction of thousands of shelters to create tent cities and help with the setting up of delivery systems for vital supplies like food, water, and medicine.

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Institute for Study of War Backgrounder 11 May

Key Takeaways

Gaza Strip
Palestinian militias defended against Israeli clearing operations in Zaytoun, southern Gaza City, on May 11. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) launched a re-clearing operation into the neighborhood on May 8, marking the third time that the IDF has conducted a clearing operation there.

Palestinian fighters attacked Israeli forces with small arms, improvised explosive devices, and mortar fire.  The IDF Nahal Brigade located a large quantity of weapons, including some stored in a medical clinic.

The IDF issued evacuation orders for civilians in Jabalia, northern Gaza Strip, on May 11.

The IDF disseminated the orders with leaflets, text messages, phone calls, and via Arabic-language media broadcasts. Around 100,000-150,000 people live in the designated evacuation area.  The IDF said that it would operate in the evacuation area as a reaction to Hamas’ efforts to “rebuild its capabilities” there.

The Air Force conducted airstrikes in Jabalia.  Israeli forces first advanced to the Jabalia refugee camp area in December 2023 and withdrew later that month.  CTP-ISW believes Hamas cells have probably established a rear area in Jabalia and/or northern Shujaiaya.

Hamas remains determined to reassert its governing authority and reconstitute itself militarily in the Gaza Strip. Hamas has the space and personnel to do so in the northern Gaza Strip since Israeli forces withdrew.  The resilience of Hamas and other Palestinian militias across the Gaza Strip supports CTP-ISW's assessment that Hamas will likely survive an IDF clearing operation into Rafah.

The IDF continued its limited operation into eastern Rafah on May 11. The IDF 401st Brigade, which seized the Rafah border crossing with Egypt on May 7, destroyed a Hamas rocket launch site.  Israeli ground and air elements also destroyed Hamas tunnel shafts. The IDF Givati Brigade continued operations in eastern Rafah. Hamas fighters fired an anti-tank rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) at an Israeli armored personnel carrier near the Rafah crossing.

The IDF issued expanded its evacuation orders for civilians around Rafah on May 11, extending the evacuation zone to two refugee camps and nearby neighborhoods.  The IDF frequently issues evacuation orders ahead of expanding military operations.

The IDF reported that an estimated 300,000 Gazans have already moved to the humanitarian zone north of Rafah since the beginning of evacuations began.  Local Palestinians told the Wall Street Journal that space in the humanitarian zone north of Rafah has “filled up”.

Hamas claimed that a British-Israeli hostage died of wounds he sustained from an Israeli airstrike last month in the Gaza Strip.  Hamas took Nadav Popplewell hostage on October 7 from Nirim in southern Israel.

Palestinian fighters conducted at least two indirect fire attacks from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel on May 11. The IDF reported that it intercepted one projectile and that three others fell in open areas.  The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) claimed responsibility for two indirect fire attacks targeting Kerem Shalom.  Palestinian militias have conducted near daily indirect fire attacks targeting the Kerem Shalom, which is the main entry point for humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip.

West Bank
TP-ISW did not record any engagements between Israeli forces and Palestinian fighters.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
Lebanese Hezbollah conducted six attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel.

Iraq
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—claimed one attack targeting Israel.
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Biden 'is offering Israel top secret intelligence detailing exact locations of Hamas leaders and their hidden tunnels in bid to stave off full-scale invasion of Rafah'


Biden administration officials are said to be offering Israel exact locations of Hamas leaders in a bid to stop the IDF invading the Gazan city of Rafah.

The president has reportedly offered highly-classified information that also includes the locations of Hamas' secret tunnels to try and stave-off what he fears could be a humanitarian catastrophe.  

The detailed and sensitive talks serve to illustrate the stakes facing Israel and the U.S. Rafah is the last city in Gaza that has not been bombed by Israel.

According to the Washington Post, the U.S. is also proposing to assist in the construction of thousands of shelters to create tent cities and help with the setting up of delivery systems for vital supplies like food, water, and medicine.

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This information should have been give to Israel as soon as we got it. Using it as a bargaining tool is evil.
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Update--they ran over the nest with a tank





Longer article in Jerusalem Post about wasp incident.  One soldier is in the ICU.  Link. The article refers to the stinging insects as "wasps", "hornets", and " bees", so who knows what they really were.

In February they reported problems with stray dogs.  Link
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I recall reading fiction and nonfiction writing about Iraq and Afghanistan where soldiers had to kill strays everyday.

One of the Reacher books (Midnight Line?) is about a female solder who gets hit by an IED in a dog.
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Article referenced in tweet in quote box
Latest Developments
The United Nations Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) revised its child fatality figure from the Gaza war sharply downward, reporting more than 14,500 deaths on May 6 but then 7,797 on May 8. OCHA also revised downward its figure for women fatalities from more than 9,500 deaths to 4,959 deaths. The Jerusalem Post first reported the changes on May 11.

The UN attributed its original, higher figures to the Hamas-controlled Government Media Office (GMO) in Gaza, whose figures OCHA has cited continually for the past two months. The UN gave no source for the lower figures in its May 8 update, but the figures precisely match those in a May 2 report from a different Hamas-controlled organization, the Gaza Ministry of Health.

Expert Analysis
“This change may signal that the UN has finally recognized the lack of evidence behind Hamas’s original claims that more than 14,000 children and 9,000 women have been killed in Gaza. If so, the UN should state clearly that it has lost confidence in sources whose credibility it has affirmed for months. While this change may only reflect the conclusion of one UN office out of the many operating in Gaza, it is a clear step forward.” — David Adesnik, FDD Senior Fellow and Director of Research

“For observers following the conflict, it should have been evident, since the war began, that data published by Hamas and its affiliates requires rigorous scrutiny. While the UN’s belated decision to rectify the casualty figures is welcome, it may come too late to undo the harm already caused. The delay has bolstered Hamas’s position and increased its chances of survival in the conflict.” — Joe Truzman, Senior Research Analyst at FDD’s Long War Journal

Gaza Health Ministry Admits Flaws in Casualty Data
In early April, the Gaza Ministry of Health admitted it had “incomplete data” to document more than 10,000 of the deaths it had previously reported. Subsequently, the ministry indicated that it did not have names for more than 10,000 of the individuals it claimed to be deceased. As of April 1, the ministry also stopped repeating the claim it made since the first weeks of the war that 70 percent of the dead were women and children, even suggesting the media invented this number. Meanwhile, the GMO continues to promote the 70 percent figure while revising its own numbers upwards, to remain consistent with that claim.
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About ~2:00 minute video in tweet.  Good if you've got the time





Seven months of war and Hamas rocket capabilities appear to be increasing again, recent attacks on Beersheba and sirens in Ashkelon this evening terrorizing families again... operations in Gaza of “clearing” and then leaving let Hamas operate in around 90% of Gaza and may enable them to do this.  Very concerning
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i think he's being a little too harsh, but interesting ideas anyway.
Jabalya, which the IDF operated in back in December (I covered the operation at the time)...is now apparently going to be the center of yet another raid (like Zaytun was three times)...because Hamas "re-established" itself...

If this were in a movie like Bridge Too Far there would be a scene where there are a bunch of guys in the high command with some giant map of Gaza and there are a bunch of junior officers moving blocks around that represent Hamas...and each time the IDF goes into one place...the officers move the Hamas pawns to some other area...one just wonders if there is a scene in this movie where the Gene Hackman or the Sean Connery character challenge the concept or have some concluding remarks about how it doesn't work?
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Link Posted: 5/12/2024 3:35:25 AM EDT
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A man, a clever man, would take all these captured AKs, send them somewhere in the interior to be cleaned, inspected and repaired, if need be, then branded with a HUGE Israeli flag, half to be stashed away, and the other half to be handed out to Israeli citizens with four full magazines each. However, that will not happen.
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 8:19:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By armoredman:
A man, a clever man, would take all these captured AKs, send them somewhere in the interior to be cleaned, inspected and repaired, if need be, then branded with a HUGE Israeli flag, half to be stashed away, and the other half to be handed out to Israeli citizens with four full magazines each. However, that will not happen.
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Unfortunately.  That's an AK I'd buy.
The one on the right looks extra crispy, wonder what happened to the owner?
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 8:51:29 AM EDT
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Link to liveblog articles below

The IDF launched an operation against Hamas in northern Gaza's Jabaliya overnight, after it says Hamas was identified regrouping in the area.

Ahead of the entry of the 98th Division into Jabaliya, fighter jets and other aircraft struck some 30 Hamas targets, killing several operatives, the military says.

The IDF says it had "intelligence information about the presence of terrorists and the restoration of terror  infrastructure of the Hamas terror group in the area."
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Meanwhile, the 162nd Division continues to operate in southern Gaza's Rafah, including on the Palestinian side of the Rafah Crossing with Egypt.

The IDF says troops discovered and destroyed several tunnel shafts and rocket launchers primed for attacks on Israel.

Some 10 Hamas gunmen spotted by troops in the area were killed in an airstrike, the military says.

Separately, the 99th Division is battling Hamas in Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood, where the military identified operatives regrouping .

Several gunmen were killed in close-quarters combat and in airstrikes in Zeitoun, the IDF says. Strikes were also carried out against Hamas infrastructure, it adds.

Across Gaza, airstrikes were carried out against more than 150 targets, according to the military.

The targets included rocket launchers, cells of gunmen, weapon depots, observation posts, tunnels, and other infrastructure.
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Contemptible is their middle name, Colonel.  And they want Israel to take their advice.


Here are the latest updates for day 219 of the Israel-Hamas war
■ The Israeli army officially announced the start of a military operation in Gaza's Jabalya, confirming that forces of the 98th Brigade raided the northern Gaza city overnight into Sunday.

■ U.K. Foreign Secretary David Cameron said on Sky News that it would be "extremely dangerous" for Israel to engage in a major military offensive in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.

■ The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza said at least 35,034 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the war started.

■ Israel's defense system deputy comptroller was moderately wounded on Friday in Gaza and transported to a hospital.

■ The IDF said two rockets fired from Rafah toward the Kerem Shalom border crossing were intercepted.

■ Sirens sounded in the southern city of Ashkelon for the second day in a row.

■ Reports by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip say that Israeli army forces exchange fire with Hamas members in the northern Gaza town of Jabalya.

■ Three people were lightly wounded by a direct rocket hit to a home in the southern city of Ashkelon.

■ An empty house in the West Bank Palestinian village of Duma was set on fire overnight into Sunday by unknown perpetrators. The house's walls were covered with the slogan of "Tag mehir ["Price Tag"] – 30 days since Binyamin died," marking 30 days since the murder of 14-year-old Israeli Binyamin Ahimeir who lived in a nearby settlement.

■ The Palestinian Health Ministry says that one Palestinian was shot and killed during an IDF raid on the Balata refugee camp near Nablus overnight into Sunday. The Palestinian Red Crescent says another Palestinian was wounded.

■ Israel's Communications Ministry sent agents to the demonstration in Tel Aviv on Saturday evening to halt the live coverage of an Al-Jazeera broadcast crew. A ministry official told Haaretz that the agents were ordered to confiscate the staff's equipment, but were unable to find the broadcast crew.

■ 30 protesters, including four family members of hostages held in Gaza, were arrested and detained at a demonstration calling for a hostage deal and early elections, in Tel Aviv, Saturday night. Several of them were released Sunday morning.

■ The U.S. offered Israel intelligence, including about the locations of Hamas leaders and hidden tunnels in Gaza, in exchange for avoiding a major ground invasion of Rafah, according to a report by the Washington Post.

■ Israeli senior officials said that the Egyptian government in Cairo is significantly delaying the delivery of humanitarian aid to Gaza, due to the IDF taking control of the Palestinian side of the Rafah border crossing.
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Israeli army officially announces start of operation in Gaza's Jabalya
The Israeli army confirms that forces of the 98th Brigade raided the northern Gaza city of Jabalya overnight into Sunday.

According to the statement, the operation is the outcome of intelligence gathered about the presence of Hamas members in the area and a rehabilitation of the group's instruction.

Forces of the 162nd Division are operating in the eastern Gaza Strip and Rafah Crossing, and forces of the 99th Division operate in the northern Strip neighborhood of Zeitun, the army added.
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Israel isn't leaving hostage negotiations despite disagreements with Hamas over deal
Despite the deep differences of opinion with Hamas, Israeli officials emphasized over the weekend that the negotiations on a hostage release deal have not been halted. On Thursday, Israel conveyed to the representatives of Egypt and Qatar its reservations about the proposal approved by Hamas. Jerusalem is waiting for the terror organization to temper its demands, but political leaders judge that there is little chance of reaching a compromise.
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IDF conducted raid in West Bank
The Palestinian Health Ministry in Ramallah says that one Palestinian was shot and killed during an IDF raid on the Balata refugee camp near Nablus overnight into Sunday.

According to the Palestinian Red Crescent, another Palestinian was wounded and transported to a hospital.
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May 11 CENTCOM Update

TAMPA, Fla. – At approximately 8:45 p.m.(Sanaa time) on May 10, Iranian-backed Houthis launched an uncrewed aerial system (UAS) over the Gulf of Aden from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen. A coalition aircraft successfully engaged the UAS. There were no injuries or damages reported by U.S., coalition, or merchant vessels.

Later, between approximately 4:30 a.m. and 4:45 a.m. (Sanaa time) on May 11, U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM) forces successfully destroyed three UAS launched by Iranian-backed Houthis over the Red Sea from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen.
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Long tweet by former Israeli PM critiquing current Gaza operation.  Entire tweet in spoiler.

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Link Posted: 5/12/2024 9:17:02 AM EDT
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Twitter thread by Seth Frantzman on current ground operations in Gaza.

Entire thread can be seen at link here and in quote box below.

It appears there is emerging concern within the IDF about the policy of going into neighborhoods like Jabalya and Zaytun again and again without a plan of who will run them after; essentially returning them to Hamas. In operations in Zaytun for instance, several soldiers have been killed in the last days.

For instance:  "We are now operating once again in Jabaliya. As long as there’s no diplomatic process to develop a governing body in the Strip that isn’t Hamas, we’ll have to launch campaigns again and again in other places to dismantle Hamas’s infrastructure,” Halevi was quoted by Channel 13 as saying. “It will be a Sisyphean task.”

Link to Times of Israel article referenced.

Example 2:
"Even after all these actions and raids, Hamas will remain there," the IDF said this morning, "to influence Hamas, a governing alternative to Hamas is needed. There are no magic solutions. The most important thing is to decide and indecision drags the current reality"



Example 3:
Senior military officials say that "as long as there is no governing alternative to Hamas, we will continue to return to the same places." Meanwhile, the rocket fire from the Strip is expanding Nahal registers successes and reveals headquarters in Zeyton



Bennett's critique is the most clear and he correctly notes that removing the IDF from Khan Younis basically enables Hamas to move from Rafah to Khan Younis again as the IDF moves into Rafah.

"I’ve no idea why our government is so slow and seemingly indecisive. Neither do understand why we pulled out division 98 that had been sealing the Hamas fighters trapped in Rafah. Sort of like removing the lid on a can in which they were trapped, allowing them to disperse all across the Gaza Strip."

"It’s necessary so that when we capture a certain city (e.g. Han Yunus) in a tough and costly battle, we know who we hand it over to and who runs it. This ensures that Hamas will not re-enter the moment we leave, thus causing us to have to fight 3-4 times to recapture the same place(!). We can decide to keep Israeli temporary admin, or local Palestinian, or other options. But we need to decide SOMETHING. Who fills the void. Otherwise by default it’s Hamas, the worst of all options. And that’s what’s happening right now."

The most clear explanation of the emerging problem can be found in this article "Wasting troops’ hard-fought gains, Israel is taking time it doesn’t have in Gaza"

There are voices who portray what is happening in Gaza as a thought out tactic...as if there is a larger strategy, for instance making it so the IDF can easily raid parts of Gaza the way it does Jenin. Some say the IDF looked at the concept of "clear, hold, build" and simply decided to "clear" because it doesn't want to hold or doesn't have the manpower. But the statements above make it clear that it's not that this is a wider strategy, this is actually the result of not having a strategy.



Also:
"Senior National Security Council official Brig.-Gen. (res.) Yoram Hamo resigned from his post, according to a Sunday Kan report. Hamo, who headed the Division for Strategic Defense Policy and was reportedly responsible for Israel's plan for Gaza after the war, reportedly resigned due to indecision by the political echelon on the subject."

Link to Times of Israel article quoted above.
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Link Posted: 5/12/2024 12:03:55 PM EDT
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Jack Keane: It is petty, shocking that the Biden administration would hold back weapons for Israel

Jack Keane: It is petty, shocking that the Biden administration would hold back weapons for Israel



Blinken says U.S. won't back Rafah incursion without "credible plan" to protect civilians

Blinken says U.S. won't back Rafah incursion without "credible plan" to protect civilians
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 12:25:45 PM EDT
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Jack Keane: It is petty, shocking that the Biden administration would hold back weapons for Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4ya3R_Os0


Blinken says U.S. won't back Rafah incursion without "credible plan" to protect civilians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjRDD4J9Pag
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How to lose a war.  Good job, Tony.  Letting the entire world know that Israel's biggest weapon at this stage of the war, the threat of destroying Hamas' logistical hub at Rafah, is off the table.  Civilians are there because using them as human shields is part of Hamas' doctrine.

Civilians not being safe is squarely on Hamas; smart leaders would realize that and pound the point home every day.  They would also hold Qatar and Iran responsible and beat that drum morning, noon, and night.  Not you idiots.  

Same with food for south Gaza.  Israel isn't the occupying power, Hamas is.  In language even Lloyd can understand, that makes Hamas responsible for feeding them.  Blaming the Israelis for the famine is absurd.  I can imagine how Roosevelt would have reacted had the world made him responsible for feeding Japanese civilians in 1944.
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Video is here. Post #49

https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f266/israel-palestine-conflict-footage-1-15-may-2024-a-253815/index2.html
Link Posted: 5/12/2024 12:50:19 PM EDT
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Tom Cotton response to Blinken

May 12, 2024: Cotton joins Face the Nation
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