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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:50:24 AM EDT
According to experts, it takes 200,000 years for the radioactivity in the most toxic waste to return to natural levels.
Geologist Christophe Nussbaum, who heads the laboratory, said researchers wanted to determine what the possible effects could be "on storage that needs to last for nearly one million years." https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220409-in-project-of-the-century-swiss-seek-to-bury-radioactive-waste 
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Posted: 4/9/2022 1:10:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: According to experts, it takes 200,000 years for the radioactivity in the most toxic waste to return to natural levels. Geologist Christophe Nussbaum, who heads the laboratory, said researchers wanted to determine what the possible effects could be "on storage that needs to last for nearly one million years." https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220409-in-project-of-the-century-swiss-seek-to-bury-radioactive-waste https://2img.net/h/i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/T_Man_2006/Godzilla%20vs%20Biollante/1989-GodzillavsBiollante7.gif |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 1:43:03 PM EDT
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Drop it into a subduction zone.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 1:45:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Launch it into the sun
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Posted: 4/9/2022 1:58:08 PM EDT
[#4]
Put into a Hillary Clinton file cabinet. It'll never see the light of day ever again.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:05:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put into a Hillary Clinton file cabinet. It'll never see the light of day ever again. Put Hillary Clinton in there with the radioactive waste too. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:08:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put Hillary Clinton in there with the radioactive waste too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Put into a Hillary Clinton file cabinet. It'll never see the light of day ever again. Put Hillary Clinton in there with the radioactive waste too. We need someone to wipe the top of the cabinet with, like, a cloth. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:13:21 PM EDT
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I've actually done some research on this. The geology is really important, obviously. One of the main concerns is leakage through the containment vessels, then into fractures and faults in the earth, and migration to groundwater. The risk of explosion is virtually nil.
Building a vessel for a million years has neva been done befo, we don't know what that looks like. Finding the perfect geology is impossible, but finding good-enough geology is possible. A million years ain't pfffft in geologic time. One of the target geo types is salt domes (diapirs). They have the ability to self-heal, so fractures don't last long. They also move slowly over time, so long-term monitoring is a must. But monitoring for a million years? Aye, there's the rub. Nevada got a good start with a storage site. There is some relatively stable geology there in the ancient seds and basalt, it is also in an area with very low population which is a must, obviously. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:15:56 PM EDT
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There is a site out in the desert southwest of the US that will be used to house radioactive and toxic waste for many thousands of years. As far as I know, they are still working on how to mark the site to help ensure it remains undisturbed for thousands of years. I believe they are planning to place several huge monolithic granite blocks with warnings carved into them in multiple languages, along with pictograms.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drop it into a subduction zone. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:18:52 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Launch it into the sun That could ummm...make life interesting  
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you could figure this one out, it's seems like a good solution. But what happens as it gets all smashed up on the way down? Bad idea. Subduction occurs at an extremely slow rate. The containment vessels would be subject to crushing forces and salt water corrosion for thousands of years, and it would not end well. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 2:56:04 PM EDT
[#12]
I thought this was going to be a story about their 1940s banking records.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:01:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Listened to the Omega Tau Podcast episode about nuclear waste recently, they went into great detail about Finland's storage protocols.
I'm really looking forward to someone, somewhere cobbling together a working waste burner reactor. High level nuclear waste packs a bit of a punch. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:01:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Yeah, but it'll be a SWISS Godzilla, so it'll sit there watching while Gamera and Mothra destroy Tokyo, saying "you know, both sides have a point"
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but it'll be a SWISS Godzilla, so it'll sit there watching while Gamera and Mothra destroy Tokyo, saying "you know, both sides have a point" At this point I say go ahead and unleash the invincible/impossible nuclear waste powered monsters. It will be amusing to see the worlds militaries immediately lose any semblance of competence and try to defeat them by running headlong at them, screaming at the top of their lungs and firing their weapons wildly in all directions except the monster. A Swiss Godzilla sounds more like it should be some kind of a yeti. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:25:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a site out in the desert southwest of the US that will be used to house radioactive and toxic waste for many thousands of years. As far as I know, they are still working on how to mark the site to help ensure it remains undisturbed for thousands of years. I believe they are planning to place several huge monolithic granite blocks with warnings carved into them in multiple languages, along with pictograms. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WIPP_Large_Surface_Marker_-_Repository_Footprint.svg/800px-WIPP_Large_Surface_Marker_-_Repository_Footprint.svg.png I had to review the Environmental Impact Statement for WIPP. One day a gaggle of guys from the loading dock brought me 32 (IIRC) boxes. Those 32 boxes held the appendices (and only the appendices) to the EIS. The loading dock guys returned with another 25 or boxes that was the main body of the EIS. The hilarity was compounded by my call to our Office of Legislative Affairs to ask how long we had to do the review. They informed me that I had three days to complete and coordinate my review. They didn't understand why this was an issue, until I explained the plethora of paper the putz's wanted reviewed. OLA refused to change the suspense date, so the boss of my team, a GS-15, sent in as our official comment this message:  OLA never said a word. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:27:09 PM EDT
[#17]
The problem with all the hand wringing over this is that letting is sit where it is currently sitting doesn't appears to be a worse solution, no?
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:30:03 PM EDT
[#18]
Give it to the FBI. It will magically disappear, or be declared not radioactive.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:43:04 PM EDT
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Spent nuclear fuel arrives as a ceramic that is easily contained. Other common industrial-scale chemical processes create far more toxic waste at far higher quantities in forms that include liquid, vapor, gas, combustibles, etc. Heck, pollution from coal and gas combustion kills a million people a year.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:52:45 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but it'll be a SWISS Godzilla, so it'll sit there watching while Gamera and Mothra destroy Tokyo, saying "you know, both sides |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:54:42 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with all the hand wringing over this is that letting is sit where it is currently sitting doesn't appears to be a worse solution, no? Sometimes doing nothing is better, sometimes it is worse. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:58:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've actually done some research on this. The geology is really important, obviously. One of the main concerns is leakage through the containment vessels, then into fractures and faults in the earth, and migration to groundwater. The risk of explosion is virtually nil. Building a vessel for a million years has neva been done befo, we don't know what that looks like. Finding the perfect geology is impossible, but finding good-enough geology is possible. A million years ain't pfffft in geologic time. One of the target geo types is salt domes (diapirs). They have the ability to self-heal, so fractures don't last long. They also move slowly over time, so long-term monitoring is a must. But monitoring for a million years? Aye, there's the rub. Nevada got a good start with a storage site. There is some relatively stable geology there in the ancient seds and basalt, it is also in an area with very low population which is a must, obviously.  |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 3:59:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Cubic zirconia?
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Posted: 4/9/2022 4:01:25 PM EDT
[#24]
Air drop it over Moscow.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 4:03:18 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put into |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 4:05:37 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a site out in the desert southwest of the US that will be used to house radioactive and toxic waste for many thousands of years. As far as I know, they are still working on how to mark the site to help ensure it remains undisturbed for thousands of years. I believe they are planning to place several huge monolithic granite blocks with warnings carved into them in multiple languages, along with pictograms. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WIPP_Large_Surface_Marker_-_Repository_Footprint.svg/800px-WIPP_Large_Surface_Marker_-_Repository_Footprint.svg.png Yucca mountain will probably never be used. Harry reid fought it. In the future people won't read. Reading is racist. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 4:08:50 PM EDT
[#27]
Just drop it into the the lava pool of an active volcano.
Maybe we’d get lucky and create a lava super creature. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 4:14:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Drop it into a subduction zone. Really does make sense to destroy it and let the earth melt it and put it where it will in a bunch of centuries when it resurfaces. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 5:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really does make sense to destroy it and let the earth melt it and put it where it will in a bunch of centuries when it resurfaces. It can't be destroyed, except by natural decay. That's what's unique about rad waste, it can't be de-natured unlike nearly all other toxic substances. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 5:44:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to review the Environmental Impact Statement for WIPP. One day a gaggle of guys from the loading dock brought me 32 (IIRC) boxes. Those 32 boxes held the appendices (and only the appendices) to the EIS. The loading dock guys returned with another 25 or boxes that was the main body of the EIS. The hilarity was compounded by my call to our Office of Legislative Affairs to ask how long we had to do the review. They informed me that I had three days to complete and coordinate my review. They didn't understand why this was an issue, until I explained the plethora of paper the putz's wanted reviewed. OLA refused to change the suspense date, so the boss of my team, a GS-15, sent in as our official comment this message: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/e7/1e/5be71ef086cfd7e5e6b6a4558815860f.jpg OLA never said a word. Bureaucracy for the win!! |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 5:45:46 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really does make sense to destroy it and let the earth melt it and put it where it will in a bunch of centuries when it resurfaces. Eh, dump it in the Marianas Trench. You know the pools where they store spent fuel rods on site @ power plants? You can safely swim in them. Water is hella good at absorbing energetic particles. Yeah, salt water and all that, but the Challenger Deep is way, way down there. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 6:04:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Listened to the Omega Tau Podcast episode about nuclear waste recently, they went into great detail about Finland's storage protocols. I'm really looking forward to someone, somewhere cobbling together a working waste burner reactor. High level nuclear waste packs a bit of a punch. 
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Posted: 4/9/2022 6:06:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yucca mountain will probably never be used. Harry reid fought it. In the future people won't read. Reading is racist. Correct. He sure loved having the fed money coming into NV at first.... I worked on retrieval/treatment/disposal of the waste (Not WIPP. That's different waste) for ~20 years. I'm convinced that DOE/commercial HLW will end up in monitored retrievable storage. Could be 30' under ground or on the surface. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 6:09:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. He sure loved having the fed money coming into NV at first.... I worked on retrieval/treatment/disposal of the waste (Not WIPP. That's different waste) for ~20 years. I'm convinced that Yucca HLW will end up in monitored retrievable storage. Could be 30' under graound or on the surface. I came to the conclusion that underground, monitored, retrievable is probably the best solution. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 6:11:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put Hillary Clinton in there with the radioactive waste too. Yes, please. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 6:13:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, please. Best not. Rad waste trembles at the thought of being confined with Hillary for a million years. Trembling rad waste is not what we need. We need calm rad waste. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 8:53:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2022 9:23:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryThat was a really shitty movie. Real life is very different. In real life our leaders know better and just enrich themselves off everyone's ignorance. In real life Camacho would have owned stock in Brawndo and traded wheat futures knowing that putting Brawndo on the crops would kill them while telling everyone he just doesn't understand why the crops won't grow. They'd have Jucker Rawlson telling the idiots that Camacho is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing while knowing because he's a close family friend just how much money Camacho is making fucking over the average American while they stupidly laugh. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 9:40:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a really shitty movie. Real life is very different. In real life our leaders know better and just enrich themselves off everyone's ignorance. In real life Camacho would have owned stock in Brawndo and traded wheat futures knowing that putting Brawndo on the crops would kill them while telling everyone he just doesn't understand why the crops won't grow. They'd have Jucker Rawlson telling the idiots that Camacho is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing while knowing because he's a close family friend just how much money Camacho is making fucking over the average American while they stupidly laugh. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 9:47:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Vitrification will work.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 9:56:33 PM EDT
[#41]
The need to label the waste site for 87 thousand years is stupid. Label it well enough for 200 and redo it in 150. If there's some event so bad we lose all language and every person with the knowledge of the glowy bad bad things are so screwed that someone digging up and liking a spent fuel rod is a low level worry at best
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:05:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The need to label the waste site for 87 thousand years is stupid. Label it well enough for 200 and redo it in 150. If there's some event so bad we lose all language and every person with the knowledge of the glowy bad bad things are so screwed that someone digging up and liking a spent fuel rod is a low level worry at best In the aforementioned Omega Tau episode they mention that steel is the most common dry cask material, but copper is the most effective. When they said that I immediately had this image in my minds eye of some meth heads of the far distant future stumbling upon this cave that is filled with these very well made copper containers. "O'gzorgiznack, Weimmes, we have hit the fucking jackpot!" "Why did the aincent ones bury all these copper tubes?" "Who cares! Just get as many into your El Camino Mark 47 as you can."
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:23:54 PM EDT
[#43]
What idiots. There is no such thing as nuclear waste, it's just un-used fuel.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:26:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I came to the conclusion that underground, monitored, retrievable is probably the best solution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct. He sure loved having the fed money coming into NV at first.... I worked on retrieval/treatment/disposal of the waste (Not WIPP. That's different waste) for ~20 years. I'm convinced that Yucca HLW will end up in monitored retrievable storage. Could be 30' under graound or on the surface. I came to the conclusion that underground, monitored, retrievable is probably the best solution. Yes. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:29:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Vitrification will work. Yep. Good idea, but where does it go after that? ETA: Been deep into waste pretreatment and vitrification. The waste cans need to go somewhere. That somewhere is nowhere if Yucca Mountain is off the table. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:34:00 PM EDT
[#46]
How hard would it be to get it into space? Rockets are a no go, we all know how bad that could end up if one exploded, so lets have a conversation... There must be a way to "sling" into space... OR... could you in theory, with a long enough cable attached to something already in orbit drag it into space? Im just a drunk redneck, but I made a few potato guns as a kid, so I can keep up...
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:40:19 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the aforementioned Omega Tau episode they mention that steel is the most common dry cask material, but copper is the most effective. When they said that I immediately had this image in my minds eye of some meth heads of the far distant future stumbling upon this cave that is filled with these very well made copper containers. "O'gzorgiznack, Weimmes, we have hit the fucking jackpot!" "Why did the aincent ones bury all these copper tubes?" "Who cares! Just get as many into your El Camino Mark 47 as you can." Stainless is more corrosion and abrasion resistant than copper, but copper can handle some very high temps. How about a copper-lined stainless casket? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:44:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Good idea, but where does it go after that? ETA: Been deep into waste pretreatment and vitrification. The waste cans need to go somewhere. That somewhere is nowhere if Yucca Mountain is off the table. The status quo is just every waste generator continue do their own thing, which isn't the best long-term planning. Yucca Mtn. shows lots of promise, but there are political hurdles that will be difficult to overcome until there is a serious accident or sabotage. That will press the issue and the feds will just overrule the state. That's the downside to having lots of federal land (NFS, BLM) in your state - it tends to do what the feds say to do. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:46:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Above ground retrievable storage is the answer in the US for HLW. WIPP is OK for incitidental TRU stuff. As usual, it's all politics... Led by the leftists.
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Posted: 4/9/2022 10:59:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The status quo is just every waste generator continue do their own thing, which isn't the best long-term planning. Yucca Mtn. shows lots of promise, but there are political hurdles that will be difficult to overcome until there is a serious accident or sabotage. That will press the issue and the feds will just overrule the state. That's the downside to having lots of federal land (NFS, BLM) in your state - it tends to do what the feds say to do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yep. Good idea, but where does it go after that? ETA: Been deep into waste pretreatment and vitrification. The waste cans need to go somewhere. That somewhere is nowhere if Yucca Mountain is off the table. The status quo is just every waste generator continue do their own thing, which isn't the best long-term planning. Yucca Mtn. shows lots of promise, but there are political hurdles that will be difficult to overcome until there is a serious accident or sabotage. That will press the issue and the feds will just overrule the state. That's the downside to having lots of federal land (NFS, BLM) in your state - it tends to do what the feds say to do. Yucca will most likely not happen. They loved the fed money during the studies, then are trying to back out. I'm OK with above ground storage. The whole thing just pisses me off. 20 years of work on this issue.... Fucking done, and don't want to arock myself... |
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