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Originally Posted By bluemax_1: You missed the non-climate controlled part of his post. 5 years is a safe margin in climate controlled conditions. Non-climate controlled? Really depends on the conditions. The more extreme, and the greater the temp swings, the shorter the shelf life. Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By JustANumber: Originally Posted By Raven_Fire: Legit question, sorry if it was covered and I missed it. How long does this shit last on the shelf before it degrades in a non climate controlled environment? Full synthetic vs blend. 30W vs whatever. Generally just curious, cause I've heard massive ranges over the years. Surely it degrades some over time. You missed the non-climate controlled part of his post. 5 years is a safe margin in climate controlled conditions. Non-climate controlled? Really depends on the conditions. The more extreme, and the greater the temp swings, the shorter the shelf life. Thanks fellas, probably -20 to 90F. I have always assumed about 12-18 months which is what I generally try to keep anyway hitting the Costco sales. |
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Originally Posted By Raven_Fire: Thanks fellas, probably -20 to 90F. I have always assumed about 12-18 months which is what I generally try to keep anyway hitting the Costco sales. Originally Posted By Raven_Fire: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By JustANumber: Originally Posted By Raven_Fire: Legit question, sorry if it was covered and I missed it. How long does this shit last on the shelf before it degrades in a non climate controlled environment? Full synthetic vs blend. 30W vs whatever. Generally just curious, cause I've heard massive ranges over the years. Surely it degrades some over time. You missed the non-climate controlled part of his post. 5 years is a safe margin in climate controlled conditions. Non-climate controlled? Really depends on the conditions. The more extreme, and the greater the temp swings, the shorter the shelf life. Thanks fellas, probably -20 to 90F. I have always assumed about 12-18 months which is what I generally try to keep anyway hitting the Costco sales. Yeah, 12-18 months would be a safer margin for engine oils. Foxtrot mentioned that the ULV transmission oils are even more susceptible to aging out. |
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Every time a lower grade [viscosity] oil gets ''thin'' in the chain, manufacturers approve/''OK" the next higher viscosity and so on and so forth. Now 0W20 is getting thin [because 0w8 and 16 user can't get it] so it stands to reason 0 or 5w30 is going to be next to start getting thin as more people end up having to use it as their lower viscosity choices run out. Yay. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: Every time a lower grade [viscosity] oil gets ''thin'' in the chain, manufacturers approve/''OK" the next higher viscosity and so on and so forth. Now 0W20 is getting thin [because 0w8 and 16 user can't get it] so it stands to reason 0 or 5w30 is going to be next to start getting thin as more people end up having to use it as their lower viscosity choices run out. Yay. |
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Originally Posted By F-M-B: No kidding. What is that, 20 cases of POF-4612 oil filters? Planning to put more than a million miles on that car? Like Covid all over again, but insane amounts of oil instead of insane amounts of TP  That is like Neck Beard Power Level 9000 Unless hes got like 6 cars between him, wife, kids, etc. |
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Originally Posted By XJ01-08: Have to get me another oil change or 2 for my Corolla hybrid I got at the beginning of August and put 6k on it already working a plant shutdown. Foxtrot probably knows which one, I see his company's trucks in there getting DEF almost everyday. Oh god do I. 3 million plus gallons a year. The majority of it comes from there for me. 2-3 truck loads a day come out of there. |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: it's like the guys that stocked up on ammo dec 2008 and still have a bunch of that same ammo on the shelves.  Maybe the guy runs an oil change place and hes using the home garage for storage though. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: I always like to assume Arfcommers are generally stable, level headed people. Then I see a picture of someone having a lifetime supply of a commodity with a short shelf life Maybe the guy runs an oil change place and hes using the home garage for storage though. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: Originally Posted By stgdz: it's like the guys that stocked up on ammo dec 2008 and still have a bunch of that same ammo on the shelves. Maybe the guy runs an oil change place and hes using the home garage for storage though. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt Man… I’m definitely not stable by that definition. I have about 20 life times of firearms lubricants left from a sporting clays shoot in the back of my truck from yesterday alone. Let’s not think about all the samples of shit I have in my office… or all the products I can’t sell… damn |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Oh god do I. 3 million plus gallons a year. The majority of it comes from there for me. 2-3 truck loads a day come out of there. Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By XJ01-08: Have to get me another oil change or 2 for my Corolla hybrid I got at the beginning of August and put 6k on it already working a plant shutdown. Foxtrot probably knows which one, I see his company's trucks in there getting DEF almost everyday. Oh god do I. 3 million plus gallons a year. The majority of it comes from there for me. 2-3 truck loads a day come out of there. I never realized the scale of just how much DEF gets used daily til I started there, never ending stream of trucks and that's only this one plant. Good news it's close to being back online so no one has to worry about DEF lol, only delayed slightly by half the traveling work force quitting so they could head to Texas city. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: I’m about to have this thread locked / nuked, lol. Not that it’s anything top secret. Toyota dealers have it from PANT. It just has pricing all over it and I don’t post pricing. I also don’t feel like editing it all right now. Nuke it, if it has a chance to hurt your business. I found you on my X feed too and thought.  Restart it in Team? |
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Originally Posted By XJ01-08: I never realized the scale of just how much DEF gets used daily til I started there, never ending stream of trucks and that's only this one plant. Good news it's close to being back online so no one has to worry about DEF lol, only delayed slightly by half the traveling work force quitting so they could head to Texas city. Originally Posted By XJ01-08: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By XJ01-08: Have to get me another oil change or 2 for my Corolla hybrid I got at the beginning of August and put 6k on it already working a plant shutdown. Foxtrot probably knows which one, I see his company's trucks in there getting DEF almost everyday. Oh god do I. 3 million plus gallons a year. The majority of it comes from there for me. 2-3 truck loads a day come out of there. I never realized the scale of just how much DEF gets used daily til I started there, never ending stream of trucks and that's only this one plant. Good news it's close to being back online so no one has to worry about DEF lol, only delayed slightly by half the traveling work force quitting so they could head to Texas city. You don’t know how much of a pain in my ass that plant is when it goes down. Or goes onto allocation. Having it there is a blessing and a curse. When it’s running, I have easy supply that’s super cheap. The downside is, having it there makes rail and other source points in this region very scarce when it goes down. So I have to go real far to get product. |
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Originally Posted By Cpn_Ron: Nuke it, if it has a chance to hurt your business. I found you on my X feed too and thought. Restart it in Team? Originally Posted By Cpn_Ron: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: I’m about to have this thread locked / nuked, lol. Not that it’s anything top secret. Toyota dealers have it from PANT. It just has pricing all over it and I don’t post pricing. I also don’t feel like editing it all right now. Nuke it, if it has a chance to hurt your business. I found you on my X feed too and thought. Restart it in Team? It’s not a secret memo or anything. Toyota put it out on their network. And I’m not showing pricing. I don’t think it will hurt my business. It’s just, I don’t want the popularity really. That being said, most people know I’m an industry insider. I haven’t posted any the real deep secrets. I’m careful on pricing. And the most important thing? I don’t really have anyone that can fire me because they’re skittish of my posts. Unless I fire myself. Which is tempting every day. |
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Originally Posted By FedDC: This. They are making record profits while crying about limited supply....while they offshore production and create limited supplies via shifting production towards specific sectors and markets. This is market manipulation on a grand scale. Yes, there are issues with supply...but they are functionally manipulating that to drive prices higher and profit via the suffering of their own nation. Trump was a HUUUUGE friend to the oil and gas industry. The left literally wanted them in prison. To stab the American people...and Trump, in the back for profit is to literally be the evil big oil corp that the left claimed them to be. It will result in all of America hating them and the left destroying them once they are back in power. This is short sighted profit over long term survival. I tend to agree, but also know the CEO and BofD just need their payday, it’s not like they’re tied to the viability of the company in the year 2080 |
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The real suprise wasn't Toyota running out of 0W-20, considering they'd already started steering the lighter viscosities there along with the huge fleet that still runs 0W-20 standard (including my 2009 Tacoma). The real suprise is that they named their internal newsletter for parts and accessories PANT. The news lately has been quite a kick in the PANTs! 
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Pay walled but: https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/oil-executives-say-the-great-fuel-crisis-is-here-b6b32030 TL;DR: Chevron CEO Mike Wirth says the fuel crisis oil executives warned would follow a prolonged closure of the Strait of Hormuz has now officially arrived, with the mechanisms that mitigated price and supply risk having "largely now played out" and the system holding nowhere near the buffers it had when the war began, as Trump officials continue to claim the disruption is temporary, per WSJ. Wirth says he has not spoken to Trump since August 3, when Trump attacked him on Truth Social for not crediting the administration and demanded oil companies bring retail prices "DOWN, NOW!" I said in March, I didn’t want to be right. This would be much easier for me to just eat crow and look like an idiot on the Internet. Here's where I'm confused, especially with domestic wells and wells in South America and in the gulf of America. We only get 2-4% of our liquid oil from sources that use Strait of Hormuz. The 8% of oil used is mostly for plastics and cracking out specific parts for the rest to go into"reprocessing." (with brand new oil? How does that work @Foxtrot07 So less than 10% impact on America's fuel and diesel supply yet prices climbed by over $1/gallon for fuel and even more for diesel. Something this picture isn't making sense and id a bit fuzzy but not sure hwy. Is some converted to LONG before shipment and that's why the gallons don't mean "Gallons"? |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Since people are doubting me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/148484/IMG_0572-3828296.jpg Ignore the handful of turbo-normies doubting you. Their voices are amplified because the rest of us are busy inventorying our oil forts and running burn rate estimates instead of talking shit. Thank you for the heads up, I'm better off for it. |
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Originally Posted By brass: Here's where I'm confused, especially with domestic wells and wells in South America and in the gulf of America. We only get 2-4% of our liquid oil from sources that use Strait of Hormuz. The 8% of oil used is mostly for plastics and cracking out specific parts for the rest to go into"reprocessing." (with brand new oil? How does that work @Foxtrot07 So less than 10% impact on America's fuel and diesel supply yet prices climbed by over $1/gallon for fuel and even more for diesel. Something this picture isn't making sense and id a bit fuzzy but not sure hwy. Is some converted to LONG before shipment and that's why the gallons don't mean "Gallons"? Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Pay walled but: https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/oil-executives-say-the-great-fuel-crisis-is-here-b6b32030 TL;DR: Chevron CEO Mike Wirth says the fuel crisis oil executives warned would follow a prolonged closure of the Strait of Hormuz has now officially arrived, with the mechanisms that mitigated price and supply risk having "largely now played out" and the system holding nowhere near the buffers it had when the war began, as Trump officials continue to claim the disruption is temporary, per WSJ. Wirth says he has not spoken to Trump since August 3, when Trump attacked him on Truth Social for not crediting the administration and demanded oil companies bring retail prices "DOWN, NOW!" I said in March, I didn’t want to be right. This would be much easier for me to just eat crow and look like an idiot on the Internet. Here's where I'm confused, especially with domestic wells and wells in South America and in the gulf of America. We only get 2-4% of our liquid oil from sources that use Strait of Hormuz. The 8% of oil used is mostly for plastics and cracking out specific parts for the rest to go into"reprocessing." (with brand new oil? How does that work @Foxtrot07 So less than 10% impact on America's fuel and diesel supply yet prices climbed by over $1/gallon for fuel and even more for diesel. Something this picture isn't making sense and id a bit fuzzy but not sure hwy. Is some converted to LONG before shipment and that's why the gallons don't mean "Gallons"? As numbers I saw yesterday, we are exporting 1.7m bpd of diesel fuel, another 350,000 of jet fuel/kerosene, around 2m of the different types of gasolines. Currently, we are being the world’s gas station and there’s not a lot of competition right now. Manchu65 sort of touched on this. US refiners, right now globally have almost no competition. Europe especially, but other regions too, are paying basically whatever price, because they need fuel. So the refiners are just exporting everything possible. Their input costs are staying low, because of what you mentioned - domestic crude, south / Central America crude, Canadian crude. But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. |
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| As everyone here knows, gas and diesel prices are quickly moving to the moon. Predictions for imminent big price spikes have been passed around for the past several days. Could we be looking at actual fuel shortages from all of this? I told my girlfriend we're probably going to start seeing fuel thefts again due to crazy prices. If there are shortages, I would imagine that such threats of fuel theft would become very real. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: As numbers I saw yesterday, we are exporting 1.7m bpd of diesel fuel, another 350,000 of jet fuel/kerosene, around 2m of the different types of gasolines. Currently, we are being the world’s gas station and there’s not a lot of competition right now. Manchu65 sort of touched on this. US refiners, right now globally have almost no competition. Europe especially, but other regions too, are paying basically whatever price, because they need fuel. So the refiners are just exporting everything possible. Their input costs are staying low, because of what you mentioned - domestic crude, south / Central America crude, Canadian crude. But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Pay walled but: https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/oil-executives-say-the-great-fuel-crisis-is-here-b6b32030 TL;DR: Chevron CEO Mike Wirth says the fuel crisis oil executives warned would follow a prolonged closure of the Strait of Hormuz has now officially arrived, with the mechanisms that mitigated price and supply risk having "largely now played out" and the system holding nowhere near the buffers it had when the war began, as Trump officials continue to claim the disruption is temporary, per WSJ. Wirth says he has not spoken to Trump since August 3, when Trump attacked him on Truth Social for not crediting the administration and demanded oil companies bring retail prices "DOWN, NOW!" I said in March, I didn’t want to be right. This would be much easier for me to just eat crow and look like an idiot on the Internet. Here's where I'm confused, especially with domestic wells and wells in South America and in the gulf of America. We only get 2-4% of our liquid oil from sources that use Strait of Hormuz. The 8% of oil used is mostly for plastics and cracking out specific parts for the rest to go into"reprocessing." (with brand new oil? How does that work @Foxtrot07 So less than 10% impact on America's fuel and diesel supply yet prices climbed by over $1/gallon for fuel and even more for diesel. Something this picture isn't making sense and id a bit fuzzy but not sure hwy. Is some converted to LONG before shipment and that's why the gallons don't mean "Gallons"? As numbers I saw yesterday, we are exporting 1.7m bpd of diesel fuel, another 350,000 of jet fuel/kerosene, around 2m of the different types of gasolines. Currently, we are being the world’s gas station and there’s not a lot of competition right now. Manchu65 sort of touched on this. US refiners, right now globally have almost no competition. Europe especially, but other regions too, are paying basically whatever price, because they need fuel. So the refiners are just exporting everything possible. Their input costs are staying low, because of what you mentioned - domestic crude, south / Central America crude, Canadian crude. But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. Seems like you could easily force other ''sit on their asses'' countries into caring about the ME more by pushing the extraction/refining and selling here first [yeah, USA first, tough shit sometimes CEO's] to keep our prices down below a certain price point. It's not like every other county in the world doesn't protect their domestic products from other countries to include the US thru various means and tariffs, especially in ''crisis'' mode. |
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Originally Posted By TheLASwamp: As everyone here knows, gas and diesel prices are quickly moving to the moon. Predictions for imminent big price spikes have been passed around for the past several days. Could we be looking at actual fuel shortages from all of this? I told my girlfriend we're probably going to start seeing fuel thefts again due to crazy prices. If there are shortages, I would imagine that such threats of fuel theft would become very real. I’m going to guess we would ban fuel exports before we get to shortage territory. There’s already been alot of push to ban or limit fuel exports. Which, there’s all sorts of economic / political consequences of doing that as well. Overall, just not a good situation right now. |
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Typical no attention span turd. Not too far from that post he would have seen the PANT notice. He’s probably a GD tard on here . |
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Originally Posted By RTX: Regarding diesel prices, I get the impression you expect them to continue to go up. So...the question to top off, or wait? What would Foxtrot do? In the short term is not going to get better. So I’d bite the bullet and get what you need. The medium term is going to be what happens with export controls. But again, there’s a bunch of political nuances with export controls. We have a lot of agreements where we export finished product and they import crude. Particularly with Mexico and Canada. We would flat out kill the Euro economy. And we would probably send the Chinese economy into overdrive as they’d be able to charge almost anything for fuel globally. |
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How about some regular oil questions. With all of the problems with ULV ATF shelf life, is there a PAO / POE solution? And how about an Oil Co. family tree? I see Warren Highline makes several lines. Yesterday I see a jug marked Lubricaton Specialties, wholly owned subsidiary of Gold Eagle. The more i read here the more I need a chart... |
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Originally Posted By TheLASwamp: As everyone here knows, gas and diesel prices are quickly moving to the moon. Predictions for imminent big price spikes have been passed around for the past several days. Could we be looking at actual fuel shortages from all of this? I told my girlfriend we're probably going to start seeing fuel thefts again due to crazy prices. If there are shortages, I would imagine that such threats of fuel theft would become very real. Teenager from the 1970s enters the chat |
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Originally Posted By heavy260: Typical no attention span turd. Not too far from that post he would have seen the PANT notice. He’s probably a GD tard on here . Originally Posted By heavy260: Typical no attention span turd. Not too far from that post he would have seen the PANT notice. He’s probably a GD tard on here . This is his business. Still a chance a GD tard Costa Oils |
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Originally Posted By Dopple: Sheetz stations in PA are the only place I've seen E15 on a regular basis. Ran it in my wife's 17 WK2 with the pentastar v6, didn't notice a change in fuel economy. It was $.20-30 gal cheaper. I wouldn’t run that garbage unless the owners manual specifically said it was ok. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. The bold is what I believed, up until now, but then you said this about China... Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: We would flat out kill the Euro economy. And we would probably send the Chinese economy into overdrive as they’d be able to charge almost anything for fuel globally. Is China an exporter? I thought they were a buyer, specifically, Iran's main buyer. Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Teenager from the 1970s enters the chat I don't remember thefts in the 70s, maybe I was too young in 1974. They started hitting vehicles in my driveway in the original Desert Storm, circa 1990. First time they siphoned the S10 and threw away my gas cap. Added incentive to buy a locking cap. I was almost hoping they'd siphon the 4.3 diesel and put it right in their tank so I could get even when I found their vehicle a half mile away. |
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Originally Posted By bluemax_1: For the 20k mile oil change, there’s the consideration of service records for warranty purposes. [color=#de3535]Manufacturers will use any potential excuse for warranty denials. From experience (wasn’t a warranty issue), it becomes your word vs a technician’s that an issue/damage wasn’t their fault, and you’re praying the judge believes you over the ‘licensed and trained technician’. I never understood this. For a business to deliberately anger customers while having many millions of merchandise setting unattended along major roads never made sense to me. Yes, I know it is insured, but it is also an inconvenience if it was to be damaged - and not sellable while it is being repaired, if the damage would even allow for it. The idea must be a holdover from the previous high trust society we grew up in, and an example of most people being able to quantify a risk/reward ratio in their heads. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: In the short term is not going to get better. So I'd bite the bullet and get what you need. The medium term is going to be what happens with export controls. But again, there's a bunch of political nuances with export controls. We have a lot of agreements where we export finished product and they import crude. Particularly with Mexico and Canada. We would flat out kill the Euro economy. And we would probably send the Chinese economy into overdrive as they'd be able to charge almost anything for fuel globally. |
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: The bold is what I believed, up until now, but then you said this about China... Is China an exporter? I thought they were a buyer, specifically, Iran's main buyer. I don't remember thefts in the 70s, maybe I was too young in 1974. They started hitting vehicles in my driveway in the original Desert Storm, circa 1990. First time they siphoned the S10 and threw away my gas cap. Added incentive to buy a locking cap. I was almost hoping they'd siphon the 4.3 diesel and put it right in their tank so I could get even when I found their vehicle a half mile away. Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. The bold is what I believed, up until now, but then you said this about China... Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: We would flat out kill the Euro economy. And we would probably send the Chinese economy into overdrive as they’d be able to charge almost anything for fuel globally. Is China an exporter? I thought they were a buyer, specifically, Iran's main buyer. Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Teenager from the 1970s enters the chat I don't remember thefts in the 70s, maybe I was too young in 1974. They started hitting vehicles in my driveway in the original Desert Storm, circa 1990. First time they siphoned the S10 and threw away my gas cap. Added incentive to buy a locking cap. I was almost hoping they'd siphon the 4.3 diesel and put it right in their tank so I could get even when I found their vehicle a half mile away. in the 70's, between no anti siphon valves and high fuel prices, gas theft was VERY common. It's when locking gas caps came into popularity. ''Locking'' gas cap covers don't do shit against fuel theft but the anti siphon valves are a PITA enough that drilling a hole thru the HDPE tank itself is easy as hell. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. Is there any difference in stored life expectancy of fuel made by this process in comparison to fuel made from a more traditional section of the distillation column? And, whether you choose to lock this thread or not, thank you for starting it. I have learned a lot. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: in the 70's, between no anti siphon valves and high fuel prices, gas theft was VERY common. It's when locking gas caps came into popularity. ''Locking'' gas cap covers don't do shit against fuel theft but the anti siphon valves are a PITA enough that drilling a hole thru the HDPE tank itself is easy as hell. And theft at the pump all the time until they made you pay first, which was a hassle. Then we got rationing with odd/even # plates. |
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Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Ignore the handful of turbo-normies doubting you. Their voices are amplified because the rest of us are busy inventorying our oil forts and running burn rate estimates instead of talking shit. Thank you for the heads up, I'm better off for it. No kidding. 4 months ago I was just an autist needlessly stockpiling motor oil to my wife. Now I'm an oracle who prepared for something she had no idea was coming.
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Originally Posted By Tejas1836: And theft at the pump all the time until they made you pay first, which was a hassle. Then we got rationing with odd/even # plates. Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Originally Posted By fxntime: in the 70's, between no anti siphon valves and high fuel prices, gas theft was VERY common. It's when locking gas caps came into popularity. ''Locking'' gas cap covers don't do shit against fuel theft but the anti siphon valves are a PITA enough that drilling a hole thru the HDPE tank itself is easy as hell. And theft at the pump all the time until they made you pay first, which was a hassle. Then we got rationing with odd/even # plates. Pay first STILL pisses me off because asshole thieves ruined the standard pump and pay for everyone. Initially, I'd bypass any station that made me pay first until they all basically went to it. |
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I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
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Originally Posted By fxntime: in the 70's, between no anti siphon valves and high fuel prices, gas theft was VERY common. It's when locking gas caps came into popularity. ''Locking'' gas cap covers don't do shit against fuel theft but the anti siphon valves are a PITA enough that drilling a hole thru the HDPE tank itself is easy as hell. Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: But, the spread between crude and finished products is climbing because of that export demand. There’s just no competition for refined products. Essentially all the Middle East refined products are offline. All the Russian products are offline. Net exporters, it really leaves the U.S. and South Korea as the two big suppliers, with the U.S. being much much larger. The bold is what I believed, up until now, but then you said this about China... Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: We would flat out kill the Euro economy. And we would probably send the Chinese economy into overdrive as they’d be able to charge almost anything for fuel globally. Is China an exporter? I thought they were a buyer, specifically, Iran's main buyer. Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Teenager from the 1970s enters the chat I don't remember thefts in the 70s, maybe I was too young in 1974. They started hitting vehicles in my driveway in the original Desert Storm, circa 1990. First time they siphoned the S10 and threw away my gas cap. Added incentive to buy a locking cap. I was almost hoping they'd siphon the 4.3 diesel and put it right in their tank so I could get even when I found their vehicle a half mile away. in the 70's, between no anti siphon valves and high fuel prices, gas theft was VERY common. It's when locking gas caps came into popularity. ''Locking'' gas cap covers don't do shit against fuel theft but the anti siphon valves are a PITA enough that drilling a hole thru the HDPE tank itself is easy as hell. China is an on and off fuel exporter. Sort of when it fits them, they’ll export alot. Having enormous margins and winning a lot of political hearts and minds, would benefit China. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. Isn't that how group 3 base stocks are made? |
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I'm still replenishing my oils as I use them until the next price hike. I think for the lower viscosity oils, it'll be significantly higher then a few bucks a gallon/5 qt container. I still have about 6-7 quarts worth of oil changes for my lawn equipment at the end of the season. |
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: China is an on and off fuel exporter. Sort of when it fits them, they'll export alot. Having enormous margins and winning a lot of political hearts and minds, would benefit China. |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Isn't that how group 3 base stocks are made? Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. Isn't that how group 3 base stocks are made? Both group 2 and group 3. Just group 3 is even more extensively / extremely hydrotreated. |
Direction, not intention, determines destination.
Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
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Originally Posted By lumper: Is there any difference in stored life expectancy of fuel made by this process in comparison to fuel made from a more traditional section of the distillation column? And, whether you choose to lock this thread or not, thank you for starting it. I have learned a lot. Originally Posted By lumper: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Now as for reprocessing. That’s called hydrocracking. You put oil under heat and pressure, this will change the hydrocarbon chains. Making them more uniform. So you can make more usable products out of a barrel of oil. Instead of making a lot of asphalts, or bunker fuels. We can make more gasoline and diesel fuel out of that same barrel with hydrocracking. Is there any difference in stored life expectancy of fuel made by this process in comparison to fuel made from a more traditional section of the distillation column? And, whether you choose to lock this thread or not, thank you for starting it. I have learned a lot. Nope. It just makes the hydrocarbon chains a different length. The storage life stays the same. |
Direction, not intention, determines destination.
Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
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Originally Posted By Everetts: How about some regular oil questions. With all of the problems with ULV ATF shelf life, is there a PAO / POE solution? And how about an Oil Co. family tree? I see Warren Highline makes several lines. Yesterday I see a jug marked Lubricaton Specialties, wholly owned subsidiary of Gold Eagle. The more i read here the more I need a chart... ULVs are generally PAO based product. The problem with ford / GM ULV product, is the silicone additive package. It falls out of solution quickly. Weeks to months. It’s fairly easy to stir back up in a quart. But larger containers, not so much. That’s the problem with storing large amounts of it. In a quart, even then eventually it will sort of stay out of suspension and stick to the bottom of the bottle. Which means you will have an under treatment of additive. There’s apparently some work arounds recently in additives. But nothing super commercialized yet or proven. |
Direction, not intention, determines destination.
Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
Integrity is the essence of everything successful.
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Originally Posted By fxntime: Pay first STILL pisses me off because asshole thieves ruined the standard pump and pay for everyone. Initially, I'd bypass any station that made me pay first until they all basically went to it. Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Originally Posted By fxntime: in the 70's, between no anti siphon valves and high fuel prices, gas theft was VERY common. It's when locking gas caps came into popularity. ''Locking'' gas cap covers don't do shit against fuel theft but the anti siphon valves are a PITA enough that drilling a hole thru the HDPE tank itself is easy as hell. And theft at the pump all the time until they made you pay first, which was a hassle. Then we got rationing with odd/even # plates. Pay first STILL pisses me off because asshole thieves ruined the standard pump and pay for everyone. Initially, I'd bypass any station that made me pay first until they all basically went to it. I avoided the pay first pumps too but it was because I didn't have a credit card. I remember a few times, as a broke ass college student, when I was running on fumes buying less than a dollars worth of gas with coins in my ashtray. |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: No kidding. 4 months ago I was just an autist stockpiling motor oil to my wife. Now I'm an oracle who prepared for something she had no idea was coming. Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By M855Bukkake: Ignore the handful of turbo-normies doubting you. Their voices are amplified because the rest of us are busy inventorying our oil forts and running burn rate estimates instead of talking shit. Thank you for the heads up, I'm better off for it. No kidding. 4 months ago I was just an autist stockpiling motor oil to my wife. Now I'm an oracle who prepared for something she had no idea was coming. Pretty much this…now that she’s seen the price increases and a few stories have hit the news cycle she’s more on board with stocking up vs. earlier this year. At the very least I’m trying to shield us from the price hikes for the next couple of years. |