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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:24:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:25:13 PM EDT
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No problem... they just buy 3 tractors and 3 harvesters. 2 charging while 1 is running.
Stop being poor you damn peasant farmers!!! |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:25:29 PM EDT
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EV thread
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:26:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:28:15 PM EDT
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So that means they've figured how to make batteries keep up with continued heavy load? Maybe that was the talk within the past few weeks about approval for small nuclear reactors? Or are they moving to lightning power?
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:29:37 PM EDT
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A regular diesel powered school bus cost around $115,000. And EV school bus cost between $350,000 to $400,000.
Same increase for a JD tractor. EV is not sustainable |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:29:48 PM EDT
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Just slap a solar array on the roof, how hard can this be?
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:30:40 PM EDT
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They don’t make their money on the tractor, the profit is all in the super long extension cord they are gonna need.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EV is not sustainable It's not supposed to be. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:32:05 PM EDT
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Not a fucking chance in hell. Farm equipment doesn't usually come home to a charger every night, and dumb fucking batteries will never be able to operate a high energy machine like a combine or large heavily loaded tractor for 16 plus hours a day. It would work fine for hobby farmers.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:34:11 PM EDT
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EVs need to have quick change batteries like cordless tools.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:36:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just slap a solar array on the roof, how hard can this be? Quote HistoryQuoted: Just slap a solar array on the roof, how hard can this be? What good does that do for 12-16 hours a day when it's dark out? Quoted: Not a fucking chance in hell. Farm equipment doesn't usually come home to a charger every night, and dumb fucking batteries will never be able to operate a high energy machine like a combine or large heavily loaded tractor for 16 plus hours a day. It would work fine for hobby farmers. And I see plenty of equipment that sits at the edge of the field that it finished today so it's ready for the next field over in the morning. Or whenever the field dry out enough. Lots of wasted time/effort if you can't just leave it sit in place for days. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:37:38 PM EDT
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That’s where every industry is trying to go as fast as possible. Autonomy is huge in the equipment world as well.
The push for EV is not stopping at cars. There is no way that EV is there for heavy machinery when not tethered. Also, the cost to replace these units is simply unattainable for the majority of farms. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:39:11 PM EDT
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I'm going to put it this way: Most of the people I know who drive Tesla's work as engineers for John Deere and if there was such a massive push for EV tractors I sure as hell would have heard them talk about it at least once. It ain't happening in a year.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What good does that do for 12-16 hours a day when it's dark out? 
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:44:41 PM EDT
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EV THREAD
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:46:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My man, that was 100% sarcasm on my part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What good does that do for 12-16 hours a day when it's dark out? Just for the lolz, someone should do the math and see just how big the "roof panel" would have to be to power a typical agriculture tractor on-demand. 
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:47:52 PM EDT
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 Ain’t happenin’ |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:48:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My man, that was 100% sarcasm on my part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What good does that do for 12-16 hours a day when it's dark out? I'm running on 2 hours of sleep. 
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:50:33 PM EDT
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Massive flooding like the world has never seen coming to CA so we’re going to be busy.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Coming-California-Megastorm-17371656.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:53:42 PM EDT
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I got suckered in to trying an electric auger this springtime.
The rocky ass central Texas soil put it out if commission right away. Had an anti kickback feature so it's practically worthless. A 50 year old Danueser with a broken bearing did the job. I simply can't see electrical agricultural machines that are capable in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just for the lolz, someone should do the math and see just how big the "roof panel" would have to be to power a typical agriculture tractor on-demand. Problem solved 
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs need to have quick change batteries like cordless tools. A lithium battery for a combine that can last as long as a farmer needs to is going to weigh, what, 3 tons? Nobody is making a quick change 3 ton anything. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:58:15 PM EDT
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I mean, if you wanted a food shortage, that would be a pretty good way to get one.....
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just for the lolz, someone should do the math and see just how big the "roof panel" would have to be to power a typical agriculture tractor on-demand. A modern combine can burn 200 plus gallons of diesel in a 16 hour period. Thats almost 28 million BTU. Ill let someone smarter than me take it from there. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A regular diesel powered school bus cost around $115,000. And EV school bus cost between $350,000 to $400,000. Same increase for a JD tractor. EV is not sustainable A friend works for a large school bus company here in WI. He told me that a .gov agency offered to GIVE them an unspecified quantity of EV buses if the scrapped an equal amount of diesel buses. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A modern combine can burn 200 plus gallons of diesel in a 16 hour period. Thats almost 28 million BTU. Ill let someone smarter than me take it from there. More than that. If the combine is producing 400 hp, that is roughly 20 gallons and hour, over 300 gallons in 16 hours. Forage harvestors kick out about 1000 hp, almost a gallon a minute for diesel. Rule of thumb is one gallon diesel produces 20hp for an hour. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:16:33 PM EDT
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It takes me 22 hours just to cut our fields. ??
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More than that. If the combine is producing 400 hp, that is roughly 20 gallons and hour, over 300 gallons in 16 hours. Forage harvestors kick out about 1000 hp, almost a gallon a minute for diesel. Rule of thumb is one gallon diesel produces 20hp for an hour. You aren't using the full horsepower of the machine at all times though with the deere 670 combine im basing my experiences on. A forage harvester? Absolutely. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:17:58 PM EDT
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Of course, electric tractors are completely feasible. All they need is a powerful enough diesel generator onboard to keep the batteries continually charged during continuous use. Easy Peasey. Bonus points if it takes more diesel to charge the batteries than a diesel tractor burns.
Democrats/commies/fascists/greenies/genocidal, homicidal maniacs/village idiots - but I repeat myself - should be thoroughly scorned for all of their agriculture related bloviating. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI doubt that would be enough. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Massive flooding like the world has never seen coming to CA so we're going to be busy. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Coming-California-Megastorm-17371656.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight "Drenching rain will pummel cities and towns. At times, the hills around Los Angeles could get nearly 2 inches of rain an hour. Heavy rain and snow in the Sierra Nevada will test dams in the Central Valley, one of the world's most productive farm belts. While all this has been happening, another filament of moisture-laden air will have formed over the Pacific and hurtled toward California. Then another. And another. After a month, nearly 16 inches of precipitation, on average, will have fallen across the state. Large swaths of mountainous areas will have gotten much more. Communities might be ravaged beyond resettling. None of the state's major industries, from tech and Hollywood to farming and oil, will be untouched." |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:39:02 PM EDT
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This has been done here before
Not happening any time soon |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:51:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: In another discussion forum I frequent, A friend of mine posted that a farmer she knows that does work on a test form for John Deere is being pressured to switch to electric tractors. They want to do this within a year. Anybody on here heard of this being implemented within such a ridiculous deadline? She said her friend stated that the growth and harvest cycle requires tractors to be running nonstop for a week or more. How can they possibly create a tractor capable of running on battery power for 24 hours, little alone in under a year? If what the John Deere rep reportedly said to the farmer is true, it sounds like Biden's administration is smoking some good stuff. This is reminiscient of the Soviet Union's central planning fiasco under Stalin, with impossible goals and resultant failures. Of course, starvation was the plan then... is it the plan now? Maybe towing a generator behind it.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt that would be enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt that would be enough. I’m positive it wouldn’t be…it was a joke Even if it was…. It would be so covered in dust within 15 minutes it wouldn’t matter. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No problem... they just buy 3 tractors and 3 harvesters. 2 charging while 1 is running. Stop being poor you damn peasant farmers!!! Purchase? You mean lease, right? JD will maintain a huge fleet for use only during planting and harvest. You’ll pay per hour for their use. What, you don’t like all control being wrenched from your hands? Luddite! |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:03:37 PM EDT
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Well 25 years ago or so i worked at warehouse that used electric forklifts. Worked 3 shifts.
Every forklift had 2 batteries, 1 in the lift and 1 on a pallet plugged in to a charger. Took about 5 minutes to swap out batteries. Use a little imagination and you can see how that might work for tractors. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well 25 years ago or so i worked at warehouse that used electric forklifts. Worked 3 shifts. Every forklift had 2 batteries, 1 in the lift and 1 on a pallet plugged in to a charger. Took about 5 minutes to swap out batteries. Use a little imagination and you can see how that might work for tractors.  Sir. This is an EV thread. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well 25 years ago or so i worked at warehouse that used electric forklifts. Worked 3 shifts. Every forklift had 2 batteries, 1 in the lift and 1 on a pallet plugged in to a charger. Took about 5 minutes to swap out batteries. Use a little imagination and you can see how that might work for tractors.  lol no. You're little pissant forklift doesn't require 20 to 30 million BTU per day. Id love to see the size of the battery pack that requires, and watch you simply swap one out.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:07:13 PM EDT
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It is an impossibility to have battery powered tractors with the same capabilities as ICE powered tractors within one calendar year from now. In five years it might happen, but ten is much more likely.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol no. You're little pissant forklift doesn't require 30million BTU per day. Id love to see the size of the battery pack that requires, and watch you simply swap one out.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well 25 years ago or so i worked at warehouse that used electric forklifts. Worked 3 shifts. Every forklift had 2 batteries, 1 in the lift and 1 on a pallet plugged in to a charger. Took about 5 minutes to swap out batteries. Use a little imagination and you can see how that might work for tractors. lol no. You're little pissant forklift doesn't require 30million BTU per day. Id love to see the size of the battery pack that requires, and watch you simply swap one out.Good thing technology never advances! |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:08:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is an impossibility to have battery powered tractors with the same capabilities as ICE powered tractors within one calendar year from now. In five years it might happen, but ten is much more likely. It will never happen, period. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just slap a solar array on the roof, how hard can this be? Eventually body panels will also act as solar panels, but obviously we aren't there yet. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You aren't using the full horsepower of the machine at all times though with the deere 670 combine im basing my experiences on. A forage harvester? Absolutely. High moisture corn will pull the guts out of it. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:08:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing technology never advances! Lol ok. Show me the math. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is an impossibility to have battery powered tractors with the same capabilities as ICE powered tractors within one calendar year from now. In five years it might happen, but ten is much more likely. I'd be in this camp. We will get there, and they will be badass tools. But yeah, few more years. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: High moisture corn will pull the guts out of it. I burn more fuel in green stem beans. Don't generally pick corn unless it's sub 20% |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:10:23 PM EDT
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It will also be autonomous. It will go to a charger as needed and work around the clock.
 Autonomous Electric Tractor - Future of Farming | John Deere |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:11:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will also be autonomous. It will go to a charger as needed and work around the clock.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMaQq_vRaa8Unaffordable and a massive liability. I also have bad news for you. In regards to a harvester, people have to be there to take the product away. It has to work on our schedule, not its autonomous one. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well 25 years ago or so i worked at warehouse that used electric forklifts. Worked 3 shifts. Every forklift had 2 batteries, 1 in the lift and 1 on a pallet plugged in to a charger. Took about 5 minutes to swap out batteries. Use a little imagination and you can see how that might work for tractors. I know guys who have 20 fields spread over half a county. How are they going to afford all those charging stations? |
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