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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:56:26 PM EDT
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I know a woman who swears by Fels Naptha & 20 Mule Team Borax. YMMV. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:58:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2018 10:59:34 PM EDT
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Never thought about it for dishes or laundry, but it's a fantastic surface prep, prior to painting.
As has been said already a hundred times! LOL |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:00:28 PM EDT
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Arfcom survival forum has a thread called Wash your Shorts.
Basic laundry soap is: 20 Mule Team Borax Washing Soda (Arm n Hammer. Not baking soda. Look in laundry aisle) Fels Naptha bar Optional: Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STP) I couldn't find the arfcom link but this is an example https://www.humoroushomemaking.com/homemade-powder-laundry-detergent This powders the mix. You can also boil water and put the ingredients in to make a liquid soap. Arfcom related link(s): https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/I_need_a_new_source_for_sodium_tripolyphosphate_/5-1882701/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/_ARCHIVED_THREAD____Whats_the_name_of_the_chemical_that_was_banned_from_dishwashing_soap/5-1146957/?page=1 ETA found it: wash my drawers https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/wash_your_drawers/17-621990/? |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:03:12 PM EDT
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I have a big old bag of sodium tripolyphosphate. A pinch makes my laundry and dishes cleaner.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:04:41 PM EDT
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Sodium Tripolyphosphate
This is what you need. I buy 10 pounds about once every two years or so, and add it to the box of laundry detergent based on the number of loads the box does. 1/2TBS per load and a 1/2tsp per load for the dishwasher, and 1 TBS to my carwash bucket to prevent water spotting if I'm slow to get it dried off. Our water is pretty hard. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:05:26 PM EDT
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Your whites will be nicely white again, easier. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:10:41 PM EDT
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Oh shit, washer is done
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:14:22 PM EDT
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Well, a quick look didn’t show any damage. I suppose I’ll know more when this load is done drying. I’ll put off doing more laundry until the poly stuff shows up.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:16:19 PM EDT
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I just ordered the proper tripolysulphate stuff on Amazon. I get the sinking feeling I'm going down in ARF history for this 
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:18:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:26:43 PM EDT
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Put an 8th cup of it in my dishwasher too. I’m phosphating all the things! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this the same stuff people wash dishes with around here? ETA: I bought sodium tripolyphosphate because arfcom knows all. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:43:00 PM EDT
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According to Wikipedia, both STPP and TSP were used in detergents.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 11:43:29 PM EDT
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I got my STPP(Sodium Tripolyphosphate) from The Chemistry Store.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:14:55 AM EDT
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According to Wikipedia, both STPP and TSP were used in detergents. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:19:43 AM EDT
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Well, shit. I've been using TSP for years. For laundry and in the diswasher. Seems to work fine. WTF..
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:23:28 AM EDT
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No radioactive water here  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you using tritiated water? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:28:30 AM EDT
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No, you mean heavy water Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you using tritiated water? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:29:11 AM EDT
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Well, shit. I've been using TSP for years. For laundry and in the diswasher. Seems to work fine. WTF..
https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/049542/049542106214.jpg |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:34:22 AM EDT
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i dont really notice any difference in the washing machine but does wonders in the dishwasher.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:37:48 AM EDT
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TSP is good shit for basically everything, it's a powerful surfactant, which is the action that makes soap clean stuff, it gets between the material and the dirt/ grime/ whatever.
Unfortunately, the phosphate especially is what drives the environmentalists bonkers. A lot of states have banned it's use in laundry detergents.  Same thing with dish washing detergent.Add TSP to stuff as mentioned if you've never used old school better living through chemistry era soaps, and it's like watching when "The wizard of oz" goes from black and white to color. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:53:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of states have banned it's use in laundry detergents. Same thing with dish washing detergent. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:56:49 AM EDT
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trench foot
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:17:01 AM EDT
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So, is it septic safe in small doses?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:27:50 AM EDT
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Per ban Tide.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:29:12 AM EDT
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Some of it says "food grade" wtf? You can consume this stuff too?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:45:50 AM EDT
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For the dishwasher just use Cascade fryer boil out powder. I add a tsp along with a normal dishwasher tablet. It is supposedly not great for septics so thats why I just use a little. It boosts the cleaning power.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 8:58:12 AM EDT
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Yeah its acts as an emulsifier and I believe preservative
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:13:56 AM EDT
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will it f up a stainless washer drum and can you do colors with it?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:21:39 AM EDT
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will it f up a stainless washer drum and can you do colors with it? I have a grey water tank, shit is on it's own tank. I use one tablespoon with whites or extra dirty laundry. Grease gets a quarter cup. Shit works wonders. It cleans |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:24:43 AM EDT
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Update, my socks and coat survived. I’m not sure if I got lucky or if the TSP isn’t much different than the TSPP. I guess I’ll know more Friday when my order of TSPP shows up.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:24:59 AM EDT
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OP, you’ll see this but without the dynamite.
 MVI_3406.AVI By Jimmy Ferris Spur Texas |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:29:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:34:33 AM EDT
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Arfcom survival forum has a thread called Wash your Shorts. Basic laundry soap is: 20 Mule Team Borax Washing Soda (Arm n Hammer. Not baking soda. Look in laundry aisle) Fels Naptha bar Optional: Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STP) I couldn't find the arfcom link but this is an example https://www.humoroushomemaking.com/homemade-powder-laundry-detergent This powders the mix. You can also boil water and put the ingredients in to make a liquid soap. Arfcom related link(s): https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/I_need_a_new_source_for_sodium_tripolyphosphate_/5-1882701/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/_ARCHIVED_THREAD____Whats_the_name_of_the_chemical_that_was_banned_from_dishwashing_soap/5-1146957/?page=1 ETA found it: wash my drawers https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/wash_your_drawers/17-621990/? 1 bar Fels Naptha 1 cup 20 Mule Borax 1 cup Arm & Hammer Washing Soda ??? STPP Not looking to save money, I just want my work clothes to actually come clean for a change. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 10:00:15 AM EDT
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TSP and TSPP are two things no longer found in your laundry soap, you can use them both safely.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 10:06:47 AM EDT
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If I wanted to make this homemade powdered laundry detergent, how much sodium tripolyphosphate would I also add? 1 bar Fels Naptha 1 cup 20 Mule Borax 1 cup Arm & Hammer Washing Soda ??? STPP Not looking to save money, I just want my work clothes to actually come clean for a change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Arfcom survival forum has a thread called Wash your Shorts. Basic laundry soap is: 20 Mule Team Borax Washing Soda (Arm n Hammer. Not baking soda. Look in laundry aisle) Fels Naptha bar Optional: Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STP) I couldn't find the arfcom link but this is an example https://www.humoroushomemaking.com/homemade-powder-laundry-detergent This powders the mix. You can also boil water and put the ingredients in to make a liquid soap. Arfcom related link(s): https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/I_need_a_new_source_for_sodium_tripolyphosphate_/5-1882701/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/_ARCHIVED_THREAD____Whats_the_name_of_the_chemical_that_was_banned_from_dishwashing_soap/5-1146957/?page=1 ETA found it: wash my drawers https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/wash_your_drawers/17-621990/? 1 bar Fels Naptha 1 cup 20 Mule Borax 1 cup Arm & Hammer Washing Soda ??? STPP Not looking to save money, I just want my work clothes to actually come clean for a change. Or keep it separate from each other. One scoop of homemade stuff, then one scoop of tsp, stp, stpp whatever. Then you can control when you use it. Extra dirty clothes gets the stp. Regular clothes doesn't. Outside of that, read through some of the links. I'll see if I can't find more info today ETA An article at Hunker.com says to use your normal amount of regular laundry soap in the machine, add 1/4 cup of TSP, as washer begins filling with water, then add clothes. There is another article at... mises.org/library/why-everything-dirtier ....where the author added 1/4 cup of TSP to his laundry and it worked wonders. He asked his dry cleaner why it got cleaner better results than the dry cleaner. The dry cleaner said it wasn't a commercially viable product and pointed the author to the Dry Cleaning and Laundry Institute which replied to the authors inquiry that "It is true that trisodium phosphate produces cleaner laundry". This reads like an Arfcom GD fantasy novel complete with a conspiracy theory of government out to mandate away our detergents to control us dirty knaves and ruin an entire industry (dry cleaning)..... Man this guy found his hill to die on: This is the whole trajectory of life under government control. They are the predators; we are their prey. And this isn't just about clean dishes and clothes. It applies to every regulation, every tax, every expenditure, every stupid war, and every monetary manipulation. Everything government does comes at our expense, and the costs are both seen and unseen.
How much will people put up with until they arrange for the regulators to sleep with the fishes? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:04:56 AM EDT
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What's wrong with using laundry detergent to wash my clothes? We have a new baby on the way, wifey is making me buy this expensive dye and fragrance free stuff
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:20:10 AM EDT
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Any answers on the septic question?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:27:48 AM EDT
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Hijack time
I bought a box of borax to help the kids make slime What will the borax do to the laundry? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:31:59 AM EDT
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What's wrong with using laundry detergent to wash my clothes? We have a new baby on the way, wifey is making me buy this expensive dye and fragrance free stuff Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's wrong with using laundry detergent to wash my clothes? We have a new baby on the way, wifey is making me buy this expensive dye and fragrance free stuff I'm kinda interested in making my own just so I can have something that cleans better, not to save money or because it's somehow "safer" than what's available on the shelves already. Quoted:
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Arfcom survival forum has a thread called Wash your Shorts. Basic laundry soap is: 20 Mule Team Borax Washing Soda (Arm n Hammer. Not baking soda. Look in laundry aisle) Fels Naptha bar Optional: Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STP) I couldn't find the arfcom link but this is an example https://www.humoroushomemaking.com/homemade-powder-laundry-detergent This powders the mix. You can also boil water and put the ingredients in to make a liquid soap. Arfcom related link(s): https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/I_need_a_new_source_for_sodium_tripolyphosphate_/5-1882701/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/_ARCHIVED_THREAD____Whats_the_name_of_the_chemical_that_was_banned_from_dishwashing_soap/5-1146957/?page=1 ETA found it: wash my drawers https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/wash_your_drawers/17-621990/? 1 bar Fels Naptha 1 cup 20 Mule Borax 1 cup Arm & Hammer Washing Soda ??? STPP Not looking to save money, I just want my work clothes to actually come clean for a change. Or keep it separate from each other. One scoop of homemade stuff, then one scoop of tsp, stp, stpp whatever. Then you can control when you use it. Extra dirty clothes gets the stp. Regular clothes doesn't. Outside of that, read through some of the links. I'll see if I can't find more info today ETA An article at Hunker.com says to use your normal amount of regular laundry soap in the machine, add 1/4 cup of TSP, as washer begins filling with water, then add clothes. There is another article at... mises.org/library/why-everything-dirtier ....where the author added 1/4 cup of TSP to his laundry and it worked wonders. He asked his dry cleaner why it got cleaner better results than the dry cleaner. The dry cleaner said it wasn't a commercially viable product and pointed the author to the Dry Cleaning and Laundry Institute which replied to the authors inquiry that "It is true that trisodium phosphate produces cleaner laundry". This reads like an Arfcom GD fantasy novel complete with a conspiracy theory of government out to mandate away our detergents to control us dirty knaves and ruin an entire industry (dry cleaning)..... Man this guy found his hill to die on: This is the whole trajectory of life under government control. They are the predators; we are their prey. And this isn't just about clean dishes and clothes. It applies to every regulation, every tax, every expenditure, every stupid war, and every monetary manipulation. Everything government does comes at our expense, and the costs are both seen and unseen.
How much will people put up with until they arrange for the regulators to sleep with the fishes? 
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:36:30 AM EDT
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Eatkamloops.org provides their recipe:
Wicked Laundry Soap 2 parts soap, ground into small pieces (e.g. Fels naptha) 1 part washing soda powder 1 part borax powder 1 part trisodium phosphate (TSP) So far, I haven't found many recipes using the sodium tripolyphosphate, yet. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:37:50 AM EDT
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Hijack time I bought a box of borax to help the kids make slime What will the borax do to the laundry? 10 cups of water Fels-Naptha Soap bar, 5.5oz Washing Soda, 8oz Sodium tetraborate decahydrate, 8oz Sodium Tripolyphosphate, 4oz Trisodium Phosphate, 4oz Sodium Metasilicate, 2oz Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, 2oz Mix all that together in a pot and then dilute with 2 gallons of distilled water. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 11:48:09 AM EDT
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Eatkamloops.org provides their recipe: Wicked Laundry Soap 2 parts soap, ground into small pieces (e.g. Fels naptha) 1 part washing soda powder 1 part borax powder 1 part trisodium phosphate (TSP) So far, I haven't found many recipes using the sodium tripolyphosphate, yet. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:02:20 PM EDT
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I just use Bubble Bandit.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When she first got pregnant my wife kinda hinted that she might wanna try some dye-free garbage and I don't mean to sound like an internet tough guy but I made sure I shut that shit down immediately. And you was all like “ hurr durr fuck no ho. I love my mamma and momma washes with the smelly shit and my mima washes with the smelly shit and by god yer washing with the smelly shit tu” Classic ETA: I’m glad none of your kids/wife do/did suffer rashes and allergies, but seriously just because something has “always” been done doesn’t mean it’s good or best practice |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:32:24 PM EDT
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So your wife said “honey, you know how I’m an analytical intelligent human with a brain, and lots of people are allergic to dyes/smelly chemicals in laundry soap, and there are often hormonal changes during pregnacry that could trigger some allergies? And maybe YOUR baby could somehow be allergic to or effected by it? Maybe next time you’re at the store get the non smelly gain in the white bottle that’s the same price as the smelly shit in the green bottle please.” And you was all like “ hurr durr fuck no ho. I love my mamma and momma washes with the smelly shit and my mima washes with the smelly shit and by god yer washing with the smelly shit tu” Classic ETA: I’m glad none of your kids/wife do/did suffer rashes and allergies, but seriously just because something has “always” been done doesn’t mean it’s good or best practice Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When she first got pregnant my wife kinda hinted that she might wanna try some dye-free garbage and I don't mean to sound like an internet tough guy but I made sure I shut that shit down immediately. And you was all like “ hurr durr fuck no ho. I love my mamma and momma washes with the smelly shit and my mima washes with the smelly shit and by god yer washing with the smelly shit tu” Classic ETA: I’m glad none of your kids/wife do/did suffer rashes and allergies, but seriously just because something has “always” been done doesn’t mean it’s good or best practice |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:37:16 PM EDT
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I bought a 5lb bag off a high-rated dude on Amazon a while ago. I haven't noticed any difference, but I am using terribly shitty over-worked pay washers.
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:39:13 PM EDT
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I did a bit of research on this topic when we had to buy a new washer, and the clothes were not clean/fresh smelling with basic Tide.
As I remember, STPP will destroy the seals in your washer. True or false? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:43:18 PM EDT
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Is it phosphate free?
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:58:05 PM EDT
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What do these clothes look like when viewed in low light with NVG's after being washed with that?
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