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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Safety is important and has done some good things. Things like trench shoring rules have saved a lot of lives no doubt. Problem is these people need to justify their existence so they just keep coming up with more shit. Sometimes it gets to the point that it's either impossible to do the job or actually more dangerous to do it their way. Arguing with some faggot in a white hard hat who has never worked a day in his life about something he doesn't understand gets old. On the flip side, the guy with the white hard hat gets tired of arguing with the person that says "I've done it this way for 30 years and never had a problem" when he has years of data that says that's not the norm. The role of a safety person is tough. They have to balance putting out a quality product against preventing occupational injuries. Both field workers and safety people need to actually listen to each other. Safety people need to get better about selling process and procedure changes as "this is how xyz is going to let you do your job better". Field workers need to get better about explaining why doing something a certain way may be safer. In a good program safety isn't the primary goal. it's a byproduct of good, effective, efficient work. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the flip side, the guy with the white hard hat gets tired of arguing with the person that says "I've done it this way for 30 years and never had a problem" when he has years of data that says that's not the norm. The role of a safety person is tough. They have to balance putting out a quality product against preventing occupational injuries. Both field workers and safety people need to actually listen to each other. Safety people need to get better about selling process and procedure changes as "this is how xyz is going to let you do your job better". Field workers need to get better about explaining why doing something a certain way may be safer. In a good program safety isn't the primary goal. it's a byproduct of good, effective, efficient work. Agreed. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:55:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. In each quarter the focus seems to be on ‘being safe’ My theory is that we are in a feminized era. In case you haven't noticed, our country has become a nation of scared pussies - liberals lead the charge with their stupidity and inability to determine risk through critical thinking. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 2:10:12 PM EDT
[#4]
female voters
and the inability to routinely personally cull criminally dangerous people out of our society without being prosecuted by the state and sued by their families. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 2:23:40 PM EDT
[#5]
ALL of america is GAY now, enjoy the fruitiness????
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Posted: 4/2/2023 2:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: List of people to never invite skydiving, freediving, caving, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, traveling, mountain climbing, skiing, ice climbing, para sailing, flying, with me Aspida1776 The amount of people who freak that I cave dive is funny as hell. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 2:38:55 PM EDT
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Insurance company’s, lawyers.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 3:25:46 PM EDT
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Very little is actually about safety, most of which is basic common sense. Most of the absurd levels of what some call safety is about power. Plain and simple, especially when the .gov is involved.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 4:33:15 PM EDT
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Risk aversion, people have become so pussified or indoctrinated that they are reluctant to make any decision for themselves that isn't Govt sponsored. Jumping off of the roof used to be a thing. Now it's almost unheard of.
Not that jumping off of the roof is smart, but the thought process from individual choice, risk vs reward has been removed from the equation. Just like the top step of a ladder, anyone with two functioning brain cells can tell you the higher you go the less stable the ladder will be. But lawyers and Govt. got involved and said you need a disclaimer or we'll sue you out of existence. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 4:38:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: List of people to never invite skydiving, freediving, caving, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, traveling, mountain climbing, skiing, ice climbing, para sailing, flying, with me Aspida1776 If you were worried about safety, you would participate in none of those activities. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 7:38:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The amount of people who freak that I cave dive is funny as hell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: List of people to never invite skydiving, freediving, caving, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, traveling, mountain climbing, skiing, ice climbing, para sailing, flying, with me Aspida1776 The amount of people who freak that I cave dive is funny as hell. As funny as people who are afraid to do jury duty? |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 8:43:11 PM EDT
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I blame it on gayness.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 8:45:03 PM EDT
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Watch a compilation video of industrial accidents on liveleak.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 8:54:49 PM EDT
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The short answer is "because people nowadays are pussies".
The long answer is... We've advanced technologically (in most of the world) to the point that survival is basically a given. Life is no longer a struggle just to survive. We don't have to worry about most of the old diseases, being eaten by animals, or starving. Life expectancy is way up compared to "the old days" which is a good thing I guess, but in the balance, people are less hardy and instead of having to struggle just to survive, they have plenty of free time to devote to coming up with amazing ideas like "men can get pregnant". All that said, the world is inherently a dangerous place. To some extent, technology, and "civilized" society shield most people from this fact, but in the end, bad stuff still happens. Those of us who understand this, and take steps to protect ourselves and our loved ones are different from the majority of people in this country now who are cowards and have abdicated this basic human right and responsibility to an uncaring an immoral government. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 9:05:08 PM EDT
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It's all money driven.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 9:10:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:02:11 PM EDT
[#17]
its all about not dying.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:20:46 PM EDT
[#18]
I’m sure if you interviewed all the maimed and dead workers of the world they would tell you” at least I wasn’t a pussy!”……
Seriously though calling all the safety rules in the workplace as “pussification” might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:36:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed stuff like steel toe boots.. no thanks I’ll take my chances and not have tires miserable feet Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. It each quarter the focus seems to be on ‘being safe’ My theory is that we are in a feminized era. Agreed stuff like steel toe boots.. no thanks I’ll take my chances and not have tires miserable feet And you should be allowed to wear whatever shoes you like. Flip flops, whatever. As long as you acknowledge that you were advised to wear safety toes, declined, and accept the consequences of whatever falls on your feet crippling you for life. If the employer is going to be held responsible for the consequence, they get authority over the risk management. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is one area. It seems like many of the things done in that area result from an excessive ‘what if’ game. Lawsuits. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most accidents are preventable. I personally don't want to ever have to explain to the family of a deceased employee that their loved one is never coming because we were too lazy or cheap to do things the right way. It doesn't even have to be about cost; organizations that value continuous improvement generally put safety first. That being said, there are some human endeavors that are inherently high risk and it is foolish to avoid those endeavors entirely or to expect that accidents will never occur. Culturally we're at a point where we complain about taking reasonable precautions as being too much of a hassle while also expecting all risk to be removed from all things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: healthcare costs have risen -- as have the costs associated with litigation so spending some efforts / money to PREVENT accidents is likely a worthwhile investment That being said, there are some human endeavors that are inherently high risk and it is foolish to avoid those endeavors entirely or to expect that accidents will never occur. Culturally we're at a point where we complain about taking reasonable precautions as being too much of a hassle while also expecting all risk to be removed from all things. Every risk management project I've been part of quantifies risk in a matrix: probability on one axis, severity on the other. If something is very likely, but not harmful (think paper cuts) it gets low priority. If it is very harmful, and very likely (think a puddle that employees must walk through, but it's energized to 3,000 V) it gets high priority. What we ignore is the importance of the task at hand. Cleaning a chalk board is not worth dying for. Saving a child from a fire or stopping a crazed murderer running through a school justifies a higher acceptance of risk. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:49:13 PM EDT
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Laughs in first rule of roofing. If you fall off the roof you are fired before you hit the ground. I got fired twice.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 7:11:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As funny as people who are afraid to do jury duty? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: List of people to never invite skydiving, freediving, caving, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, traveling, mountain climbing, skiing, ice climbing, para sailing, flying, with me Aspida1776 The amount of people who freak that I cave dive is funny as hell. As funny as people who are afraid to do jury duty?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 7:15:00 AM EDT
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It’s all fun until your hurt, out of work and your family does without.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 7:52:25 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure if you interviewed all the maimed and dead workers of the world they would tell you” at least I wasn’t a pussy!”…… Seriously though calling all the safety rules in the workplace as “pussification” might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard  It's the obsession with safety, not just safety rules in the workplace. I'd be more interested about which rules didn't exist or were not followed that led up to their event. Guarantee the number one reason is stupidity and/or lack of common sense. As someone mentioned, the world is a hazardous place - prepare accordingly.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 8:02:44 AM EDT
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It’s a farcical means to keep you under control.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 8:19:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure if you interviewed all the maimed and dead workers of the world they would tell you” at least I wasn’t a pussy!”… Big grey Area between sitzing in a Chinese Industrial press where every second of not paying attention can cost you a limb and having to wear a harness for working in the mind boggling height of 4ft. I agree that we have gone off the rails in Terms of security. A big part of that is that the people who come up with it allways have to reinvent the wheel to justify their own existence. The Amount of engineering hours that have to be invested to develop just the safety analysis / concept / circuits on a moderately dangerous machine is insane*. It is costing a lot, and very far past the point of fiminishing returns. Take a look at some of the greates american company successtories of the last century and how many of those would still be possible with todays regulations and requirements ? *Does not apply if for some reason you are a huge company with tight relationships to a regulatory body. then you can still make a big ass plane nosedive frome a single faulty sensor. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 8:28:10 AM EDT
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Bring back yard darts & dodge ball.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 8:37:29 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bring back yard darts & dodge ball. My kids play dodge ball in class. No lawn darts though. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 9:29:01 AM EDT
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Both grandfathers died a miserable death from black lung. Lost a couple great uncles to roof falls - neither died instantly, one at 14. Dad was blown up in a coal
mining disaster. There are people who exist daily in an environment trying to kill them nonstop, either in an immediate and violent way or in a long term miserable way. Safety tends to mean something different to those men because getting home to see your family again isn’t a given. I can also see where relatively inert environments can produce a different pov. I’m down to the last uncle alive - he actually got to retire - and he was a stickler for safety. I consider none of these men effeminate - quite to the contrary, these men are/were physically strong and fearless. I’m fortunate enough to get to build the equipment they use. We put safety as priority one over and above what is required. Every single safety innovation in our industry since The Act has came from private companies - proximity systems, load locks, two hand operation, down to even the stripes the men wear. Every single one. The government isn’t capable of designing the equipment, let alone producing it and fine tuning it. When it’s your dad, uncle, brother, or cousin at risk you do your part to make their daily service to this society as safe as possible. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 9:29:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Longer you live the more taxes you pay
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Posted: 4/3/2023 9:30:38 AM EDT
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Suburban white females want to feel safe.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 9:33:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. In each quarter the focus seems to be on ‘being safe’ My theory is that we are in a feminized era. Well, OP, at what point should we just say "fuck safety"? Please, give us your non-feminized ideas. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:10:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. In each quarter the focus seems to be on ‘being safe’ My theory is that we are in a feminized era. Who do you think pays the bills for the hold my beer, and watch this crowd? Especially in the work place? |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:14:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Government likes to teach Darwinism until it's time to do Darwinism things.
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:14:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Wife and I find it annoying when people come up to us and say our kids aren't being safe.
Do you really think you care more about our kids than us? We want our kids to be strong |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:23:11 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. In each quarter the focus seems to be on ‘being safe’ My theory is that we are in a feminized era. Because not getting hurt and/or dieing isn't always a bad thing...... |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:55:10 AM EDT
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“For your own safety” is the justification used by tyrants.
Remember when ATF & FBI murdered all those people in Waco in the name of public safety? |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:17:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:24:49 AM EDT
[#40]
Is this is a big problem? Or is it just another case of "If it saves just one child"?
Duracell, the most trusted battery brand, announced today its latest innovation in child safety, a bitter coating on its lithium coin batteries — sizes 2032, 2025, and 2016. This breakthrough innovation in the battery category is designed to help deter accidental ingestions. With coin battery ingestions on the rise over the past two decades and damage that can occur in just two hours from ingestion, Duracell was determined to provide parents and caregivers of young children with an additional safety feature, child-safe packaging, and supportive education to help reverse this rising and devastating trend.  |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:26:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this is a big problem? Or is it just another case of "If it saves just one child"? Duracell, the most trusted battery brand, announced today its latest innovation in child safety, a bitter coating on its lithium coin batteries — sizes 2032, 2025, and 2016. This breakthrough innovation in the battery category is designed to help deter accidental ingestions. With coin battery ingestions on the rise over the past two decades and damage that can occur in just two hours from ingestion, Duracell was determined to provide parents and caregivers of young children with an additional safety feature, child-safe packaging, and supportive education to help reverse this rising and devastating trend. https://www.duracell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Key-Visual-600x339.jpg Look up Reese's Law. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:35:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Society isn't. It's about compliance and control. Should have been the First Post. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:44:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have been the First Post. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Society isn't. It's about compliance and control. Should have been the First Post. OHSA is a result of inaction. Not the other way around. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:44:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. Everything great was achieved with safety in mind. Risks were managed and mitigated, procedures changed, and a level of acceptable risk set. Safety doesn't mean remove all risk, it means don't accept unnecessary risk, leave yourself outs, and mitigate risks to the greatest extent possible |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OHSA is a result of inaction. Not the other way around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Society isn't. It's about compliance and control. Should have been the First Post. OHSA is a result of inaction. Not the other way around. Does OSHA have jurisdiction over the speed limits, too?  1977 Dept of Transportation "55 Saves Lives" Ad Council PSA |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this is a big problem? Or is it just another case of "If it saves just one child"? Duracell, the most trusted battery brand, announced today its latest innovation in child safety, a bitter coating on its lithium coin batteries — sizes 2032, 2025, and 2016. This breakthrough innovation in the battery category is designed to help deter accidental ingestions. With coin battery ingestions on the rise over the past two decades and damage that can occur in just two hours from ingestion, Duracell was determined to provide parents and caregivers of young children with an additional safety feature, child-safe packaging, and supportive education to help reverse this rising and devastating trend. https://www.duracell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Key-Visual-600x339.jpg |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, OP, at what point should we just say "fuck safety"? Please, give us your non-feminized ideas. I was standing on the top of a tall Mayan ruin recently in another country and could walk right up to the edge as I saw fit. Admittedly there was a sign asking people not to sit on the edge. In the US, either people wouldn’t be allowed up there at all, or the ruin would have a toddler approved railing installed, compromising the experience. So yeah, I think much of our pearl clutching is stupid. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Females voters. The average American has become so desensitized to danger, they are incapable of identifying and mitigating it. No, they're sensitized to every minor burr or splinter that one might come across. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:37:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Lawyers and people with very few kids.
Nobody wants anything to happen to their only kid, I think it can get overbearing. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 12:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because an injured individual is gold to another. It's mostly due to civil litigation (liability lawsuits). Everyone wants to avoid those because they're expensive. |
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