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Posted: 2/13/2005 8:19:51 PM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
Because Tannerite is not a high order explosive like TNT or C-4, it is low order like black powder.

No. Its HE by all definitions. The det velocity exceeds sonic velocity.

Explosive laws are based on the danger of transporting HE, written in the blood of accidents. If its not HE, transporting and using it is much easier.

Binaries arose out of the need to transport HE and detonators on one vehicle. Its a personal rights issue.

Posted: 2/13/2005 8:22:57 PM EDT

[#2]

So if you have to shoot it with a rifle, how are you supposed to blow up tree stumps with it?

Posted: 2/13/2005 8:26:14 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
So if you have to shoot it with a rifle, how are you supposed to blow up tree stumps with it?

Oh, there are WAYS. One fellow here used a high velocity rifle shot on a double bottle (taped together, bottom to bottom) to blow up a stump. It was a great video.

Posted: 2/13/2005 8:29:52 PM EDT

[#4]

so much of the taggedness

Posted: 2/13/2005 8:33:45 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Not enough of you guys have quoted Ed Sr's response.

Actually not one has- EdSr hasn't responded once...

I don't mean to pick on you KA3B, but I'm trying to help folks understand there's two Eds- EdSr's name looks more like that, while mine looks more like "EdwardAvila'.

Perhaps you should use a different Avatar...

Posted: 2/13/2005 8:35:32 PM EDT

[#6]

tag

Posted: 2/13/2005 9:11:59 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Because Tannerite is not a high order explosive like TNT or C-4, it is low order like black powder.

No. Its HE by all definitions. The det velocity exceeds sonic velocity.
/quote]

Odd. I thought remember when I was getting an explosive license way back when that dynamite was not a HE. Blasting caps were HE, but not dynamite. I have a hard time believing Tannerite is considered HE if dynamite is not (or is it?). My explosives license allowed me to purchase dynamite, but no HE like Blasting caps.

Posted: 2/13/2005 9:13:36 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
So if you have to shoot it with a rifle, how are you supposed to blow up tree stumps with it?

By using a blasting cap. No one said you can only set it off with a rifle round.

Posted: 2/13/2005 9:43:57 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Because Tannerite is not a high order explosive like TNT or C-4, it is low order like black powder.

No. Its HE by all definitions. The det velocity exceeds sonic velocity.
/quote]

Odd. I thought remember when I was getting an explosive license way back when that dynamite was not a HE. Blasting caps were HE, but not dynamite. I have a hard time believing Tannerite is considered HE if dynamite is not (or is it?). My explosives license allowed me to purchase dynamite, but no HE like Blasting caps.

Dynamite and the like are usually considered HE. Blasting caps are always HE but also fall under the catagorization of primary explosives. These are explosives that initiate with only heat or percussion. These are many times more dangerous than regular HE. Nitroglycerine, the usual active component of dynamite, is a primary explosive due to its viscid liquid nature which traps tiny bubbles. Any shock wave traversing this liquid will rapidly compress these invisible bubbles creating initiation sites for detonation. But safely dispersed in absorbant, the nitroglycerine is quite safe. And dispersed in nitrocelluose, it becomes a great smokeless propellent.

I find it hard to believe any explosives use permit would not allow purchase of blasting caps. How would you initiate any explosives? Kinda hard with only a fuse...

Posted: 2/13/2005 9:57:24 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Why is Tannerite legal?

Because nobody's done anything REALLY stupid with it yet.

Yet.

Posted: 2/13/2005 10:46:04 PM EDT

[#11]

It's great stuff! I did 11 bottles at a shoot a couple of weeks ago, 7 singles and one 4 bottle charge. I think Dan got a bunch of orders shortly after that shoot.

Posted: 2/13/2005 11:30:53 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Dynamite and the like are usually considered HE. Blasting caps are always HE but also fall under the catagorization of primary explosives. These are explosives that initiate with only heat or percussion. These are many times more dangerous than regular HE. Nitroglycerine, the usual active component of dynamite, is a primary explosive due to its viscid liquid nature which traps tiny bubbles. Any shock wave traversing this liquid will rapidly compress these invisible bubbles creating initiation sites for detonation. But safely dispersed in absorbant, the nitroglycerine is quite safe. And dispersed in nitrocelluose, it becomes a great smokeless propellent.

I find it hard to believe any explosives use permit would not allow purchase of blasting caps. How would you initiate any explosives? Kinda hard with only a fuse...

Thanks for the info. At the time I was just getting a fireworks license and they made a mistake and gave me next license up. When I looked at the catagories, it seemed that dynamite was okay but I needed a different license to purchase blasting caps. It's all pretty fuzzy and long ago though, I need to look at the books again.

Posted: 2/13/2005 11:41:15 PM EDT

[#13]

Tag for Tannerite

Posted: 2/14/2005 4:43:29 AM EDT

[#14]

tizzag

Posted: 2/14/2005 4:54:00 AM EDT

[#15]

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18. Are binary explosives subject to
regulation under Federal explosives laws?
Until the compounds are mixed, they are not
classified as explosives and, therefore, are not
subject to control. However, once mixed, binary
explosives are considered to be “explosive
materials” and are subject to all applicable Federal
requirements. A person who regularly combines
compounds of binary explosives to manufacture
such explosives for the purpose of sale or
distribution or for the person’s own business use is
a “manufacturer” of explosives materials and must
be licensed as a manufacturer under the law. [18
U.S.C. 841(h); 27 CFR 55.11: definition of
“manufacturer”]

36. When is a manufacturer's license
required?
A manufacturer’s license is needed only by
persons engaged in the business of manufacturing
explosive materials for sale, distribution, or for
business use. For example, persons engaged in
the business of providing a blasting service using
explosives of their own manufacture would be
required to have a manufacturer’s license. Persons
who manufacture explosives for their personal, nonbusiness
use would not need a manufacturer’s
license. [27 CFR 55.11: definition of
“manufacturer”, 55.41]

40. Is a manufacturer’s license required for
agricultural use of binary explosives?
No, as long as the user is not engaged in the
business of manufacturing explosive materials. For
example, if a farmer buys binary explosives for use
in blowing tree stumps on his farm, he or she does
not need a manufacturer’s license. However, if the
farmer uses binary explosives in a business of
blasting stumps/rocks, etc., for other persons, he or
she would be required to have a manufacturer’s
license. See also Questions 18, 36 and 37. [27
CFR 55.11: Definition of “manufacturer”, 55.41(a)]

http://www.atf.gov/explarson/fedexplolaw/qanda.pdf

Pay special attention to Question 40 Pg 59, question 18 Pg 56, question 36 Pg 58

Posted: 2/14/2005 5:57:55 AM EDT

[#16]

.

Posted: 2/14/2005 6:45:06 AM EDT

[#17]

T for Tannerite

Just blew up a SpongeBob Squarepants pinota yesterday with some other binary mix. It was the "hit" of the shoot since nobody knew I had rigged Bob.

It was so fun I looked up Tannerite after I got home.

Posted: 2/14/2005 9:03:10 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
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18. Are binary explosives subject to
regulation under Federal explosives laws?
Until the compounds are mixed, they are not
classified as explosives and, therefore, are not
subject to control. However, once mixed, binary
explosives are considered to be “explosive
materials” and are subject to all applicable Federal
requirements. A person who regularly combines
compounds of binary explosives to manufacture
such explosives for the purpose of sale or
distribution or for the person’s own business use is
a “manufacturer” of explosives materials and must
be licensed as a manufacturer under the law. [18
U.S.C. 841(h); 27 CFR 55.11: definition of
“manufacturer”]

36. When is a manufacturer's license
required?
A manufacturer’s license is needed only by
persons engaged in the business of manufacturing
explosive materials for sale, distribution, or for
business use. For example, persons engaged in
the business of providing a blasting service using
explosives of their own manufacture would be
required to have a manufacturer’s license. Persons
who manufacture explosives for their personal, nonbusiness
use would not need a manufacturer’s
license. [27 CFR 55.11: definition of
“manufacturer”, 55.41]

40. Is a manufacturer’s license required for
agricultural use of binary explosives?
No, as long as the user is not engaged in the
business of manufacturing explosive materials. For
example, if a farmer buys binary explosives for use
in blowing tree stumps on his farm, he or she does
not need a manufacturer’s license. However, if the
farmer uses binary explosives in a business of
blasting stumps/rocks, etc., for other persons, he or
she would be required to have a manufacturer’s
license. See also Questions 18, 36 and 37. [27
CFR 55.11: Definition of “manufacturer”, 55.41(a)]

http://www.atf.gov/explarson/fedexplolaw/qanda.pdf

Pay special attention to Question 40 Pg 59, question 18 Pg 56, question 36 Pg 58

Thank you, this helps a lot.

Posted: 2/14/2005 9:08:24 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Its binary.

01100010011010010110111001100001011100100111100100100000011001010110100000111111

011010000110010101101100011011000010000001111001011001010110000101101000

Posted: 2/14/2005 9:18:22 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
I'm pretty sure that scene in Heat where they buy explosives with just a driver's license is accurate. all depends on the type of explosive

Used to be that way, but they did away with that a couple of years ago. BATFE has really clenched down on the explosives business. Lots of req'd background checks, licenses etc., it's actually putting a big damper on the explosives industry (and the industry of the end users).

People would actually be suprised how much explosives are used/transported everyday, but people get all wrapped up about it nowadays, and legislators who don't know any better are really bringing things down. Remember, if you can't grow it you gotta mine it-and if you gotta mine it you gotta blast it...

Posted: 2/17/2005 9:40:05 AM EDT

[#21]

bump

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:20:42 AM EDT

[#22]

tag for tannerite!

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:24:25 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
whats tannerite

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:31:45 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Its binary.

Theres 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't!

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:36:55 AM EDT

[#25]

Last Tag, your it!

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:40:14 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Its binary.

Theres 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't!

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:48:09 AM EDT

[#27]

tag

Posted: 2/17/2005 10:52:43 AM EDT

[#28]

TT

tannerite tag

Posted: 2/17/2005 11:11:45 AM EDT

[#29]

.

Posted: 2/17/2005 11:43:15 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Its binary.

Theres 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't!

funniest thing i have read all day, gotta be a geek to get it

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:09:49 PM EDT

[#31]

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:20:51 PM EDT

[#32]

My uncle accidentally drove around with a case of dynamite in his trunk during the summer back in the good old days. He was a farmer, it was for ~~fishing~~ blowing up beaver dams.

He killed half the fish in Lee county "blowing up beaver dams." Collateral damage...

Also my granddaddy used to get dynamite all the time to blow up beaver dams and kept a stick or two in his glove compartment when I was a kid.

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:26:20 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Why isn't dynamite legal? I think it should be.

dynamite isnt so dangerous to have around. It is the blast caps that are frickin dangerous.

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:38:50 PM EDT

[#34]

oh hell yeah..... the big TAG-O-RAMA !

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:40:55 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
same reason why lye and gasoline are legal?

cuz we live in the U S of A!

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:41:40 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Because the Democrats and the news companies dont know about it yet.

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:46:48 PM EDT

[#37]

Tannerite, like ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate-Fuel Oil), is binary. Neither component is explosive until mixed.

It is common, for blasting, to drill a hole in rock, pour in the AN and FO, it mixes in the hole. Like Tannerite, it is used right away.

Therefore there is no licensing for storage of the explosive or transporting it. It is used right where it is mixed.

And depending on how it is used, it is not even considered "manufacturing".

Posted: 2/17/2005 12:47:49 PM EDT

[#38]

dynamite isnt so dangerous to have around. It is the blast caps that are frickin dangerous.

That is true as long as you remember to rotate each stick a quarter turn every 30 days or so

Yup them caps sure are sensative lil bugger aint they

Posted: 2/17/2005 1:16:56 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Quoted:
This site rocks, don't it?

Dang it, now I have ANOTHER purchase to make.

I am going to be broke thanks to this site.

same here, this is def. cheaper than a shrink

Posted: 2/17/2005 2:01:02 PM EDT

[#40]

For those who wish to pratice your long range skills and blow shit up at the same time you need to go here
Even got me a new rifle to take to it.

Posted: 2/17/2005 3:13:00 PM EDT

[#41]

Over the years we used tons of dynamite in the mines. We didn't have to rotate it, just used the oldest stuff first. The company would burn it after it reached a certain age. (a job I flat out refused to do). Back in the 70s we had a guy at one of the mines blew himself up someway burning the stuff.
Also the wife and her boyfriend of a guy who worked at one of our mines in Boone County Wv. placed 5 or 6 sticks under the seat of his truck and set it off that night as he went to work with what was said to be one of those dog shock collors, He was shot thru the roof of the truck but survived, I think they got to spend like 10-15 years locked up with Bubba.
The stuff will give you a headache bigtime when you handle it for a while and will make you really sick when you smell the smoke where it has been shot. The stuff is safe enough but you need to use common sence when useing it.

Posted: 2/22/2005 6:48:30 PM EDT

[#42]

Time for a bump!

Posted: 2/24/2005 7:45:35 PM EDT

[#43]

TAG!

Posted: 2/24/2005 7:54:36 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Guys-

We're working out the details with Daniel Tanner right now, but we're about to offer a discount for AR15.com users. While Tannerite has been legal mostly because it flies under the radar, and has managed to stay ahead of the laws. However, since that end may be in the near future, we're going to help Daniel Tanner sel la bunch of the stuff here in the next few weeks.

If you've never used it, Tannerite is about the most fun you can have with a rifle. It is dangerous, so care should be used when placing it downrange, but it is very stable to handle and is perfectly legal because:

1) It is not an explosive until you mix the two components
2) As long as it is used once mixed and no storage of an explosive is necessary, it is not banned by federal law (some states may have restrictions)

Again, give us a few days to get the deal together, and I will be posting details here, Daniel will be joining the forums, and he will be introducing a new target specifically for AR-15s. (even I don't know the details yet)

Anyway, stay safe, and keep an eye out for Tannerite on this site...

I can't wait. The stuff is great fun and alot safer than some of the mixtures i've seen played with.

Posted: 2/24/2005 7:54:47 PM EDT

[#45]

Good for getting my wifes ass off the couch

Posted: 2/24/2005 8:06:14 PM EDT

[#46]

lets get some danny -t mix. IM IN

Posted: 2/24/2005 8:07:15 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Its binary.

Theres 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't!

01001001001000000111010001101000011010010110111001101011
00100000011011010110111101110011011101000010000001100100
01101111001000000110111001101111011101000010000001100111
011001010111010000100000011010010111010000101110