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5/15/2023 3:53:52 AM EDT
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You and all the others saying this are going to be very caught off guard when you realize the approach that is being taken.
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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering “WTF is this guy up to now?”
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben’s battle plan.
5/15/2023 4:21:24 AM EDT
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What chances did you think roe v wade had of being tossed?
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I give anything that republicans and evangelicals can do that is really really stupid at least a 40% chance.
5/15/2023 7:19:41 AM EDT
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C) to continue my development of non-NFA, non-regulated anti-tank weapons and long range explosive rockets for public distribution...ones that you could buy cheap or even take the plans and easily make at home. These should be out in the next couple years. Testing phase is just a few months out.
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A quick search on YouTube has shown that Bubba can't handle binary explosives or gender reveal pyrotechnics safely and you want to....  *checks notes*  ...provide long range explosive rockets for public distribution...  

5/15/2023 7:24:12 AM EDT
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You burned the one reply on a 9 year old account to complain about something awesome?

Reddit is down the hall to the left.
5/15/2023 7:30:22 AM EDT
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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering “WTF is this guy up to now?”
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben’s battle plan.
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A quick search on YouTube has shown that Bubba can't handle binary explosives or gender reveal pyrotechnics safely and you want to....  *checks notes*  ...provide long range explosive rockets for public distribution...  

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5/15/2023 8:21:39 AM EDT
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You burned the one reply on a 9 year old account to complain about something awesome?

Reddit is down the hall to the left.
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You burned the one reply on a 9 year old account to complain about something awesome?

Reddit is down the hall to the left.



Freedom is scary.

Found the ATF account
5/15/2023 8:26:44 AM EDT
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C) to continue my development of non-NFA, non-regulated anti-tank weapons and long range explosive rockets for public distribution...ones that you could buy cheap or even take the plans and easily make at home. These should be out in the next couple years. Testing phase is just a few months out.


A quick search on YouTube has shown that Bubba can't handle binary explosives or gender reveal pyrotechnics safely and you want to....  *checks notes*  ...provide long range explosive rockets for public distribution...  


@FlamingRadish now search that same authoritative source for car crashes and make the same argument.
5/15/2023 8:28:49 AM EDT
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C) to continue my development of non-NFA, non-regulated anti-tank weapons and long range explosive rockets for public distribution...ones that you could buy cheap or even take the plans and easily make at home. These should be out in the next couple years. Testing phase is just a few months out.


A quick search on YouTube has shown that Bubba can't handle binary explosives or gender reveal pyrotechnics safely and you want to....  *checks notes*  ...provide long range explosive rockets for public distribution...  



What a first post after all these years! Welcome fellow lover of liberty!
5/15/2023 8:29:40 AM EDT
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Anything's a gender-reveal party favor if you're brave enough.
5/15/2023 8:30:37 AM EDT
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They will never give an inch
5/15/2023 8:37:41 AM EDT
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5/15/2023 8:48:02 AM EDT
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I’m in for a $100 donation and BBQ attendance. You’re still in MT correct?
5/15/2023 8:56:55 AM EDT
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Not reading 8 pages so let me know if I missed something important but I’m down for $1002 against some bbq
(Hurry up though.  I could be broke if we get another 4 years of biden)
5/15/2023 9:54:09 AM EDT
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I moved to Kazakhstan 18 months ago. The BBQ will be in Montana.
5/15/2023 10:02:03 AM EDT
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C) to continue my development of non-NFA, non-regulated anti-tank weapons and long range explosive rockets for public distribution...ones that you could buy cheap or even take the plans and easily make at home. These should be out in the next couple years. Testing phase is just a few months out.


A quick search on YouTube has shown that Bubba can't handle binary explosives or gender reveal pyrotechnics safely and you want to....  *checks notes*  ...provide long range explosive rockets for public distribution...  


Why, hello there, Officer. What agency do you work for?
5/15/2023 10:12:06 AM EDT
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5/15/2023 10:47:15 AM EDT
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Except with the Bruen standard coupled with Caetano, MGs are in common use with the general public. There are nearly 200k transferable MGs. Roughly the same number as stun guns which Caetano directly stated was sufficient for them to have status as "common use".

But the government has an out here with the dangerous and unusual argument- in that the court could determine (using Heller) that MGs fall outside what they called the "core" of the Second Amendment, but not outside it entirely, and so they can be regulated, but not banned.
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They really don't have that out. The "AND" is the ultimate destroyer of arguments. There is literally no way that any gun, semi- or fully- automatic meets both criteria. Period.
There is mental gymnastics, yes, but an actual, viable, defensible legal argument post Bruen, Heller, McDonald, Caetano and Miller? Does not exist.
5/15/2023 11:02:53 AM EDT
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What a first post after all these years! Welcome fellow lover of liberty!
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Thanks for the warm welcome.

If you could do us a favor and get the APC recruitment numbers up we'd appreciate it.  Got lots of unfunded requests for 4th quarter and want to make sure our budget is fat for FY24.
5/15/2023 12:31:05 PM EDT
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Me reading this thread. 2023, colorized:

5/15/2023 4:51:51 PM EDT
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Nobody thought a house would land on the other witch.

5/15/2023 9:45:03 PM EDT
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Well hello there, fellow gun owner!  Nice early post.  I'm sure you will do well here.

How's about you worry about your quiche, and let me worry about how to get an anti-tank weapon in the gun safe, and we'll both be happy.
5/15/2023 9:46:33 PM EDT
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@Ben

If you're receiving flak like that, you're over the target.  LOL

Drive on, brother.
5/15/2023 9:51:01 PM EDT
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Yes, freedom be scary yo

I should be able to own HE and the means to use them defensively
5/15/2023 10:02:25 PM EDT
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Then we take a mile.
5/15/2023 10:09:03 PM EDT
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I’m confused, what do I bet if I want you to win?
5/15/2023 10:11:33 PM EDT
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I wish you the best of luck and am following eagerly.
5/15/2023 10:25:50 PM EDT
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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering "WTF is this guy up to now?"
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben's battle plan.
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They are probably likely to approve the form 1 to keep them from getting sued
5/15/2023 11:50:31 PM EDT
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They are probably likely to approve the form 1 to keep them from getting sued
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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering "WTF is this guy up to now?"
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben's battle plan.

They are probably likely to approve the form 1 to keep them from getting sued


The ATF did not appeal the ruling out of IL, that the NFA did not apply to individual LEO's who used unregistered, personally owned, NFA type items for duty use.




5/16/2023 2:32:50 AM EDT
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The ATF did not appeal the ruling out of IL, that the NFA did not apply to individual LEO's who used unregistered, personally owned, NFA type items for duty use.




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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering "WTF is this guy up to now?"
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben's battle plan.

They are probably likely to approve the form 1 to keep them from getting sued


The ATF did not appeal the ruling out of IL, that the NFA did not apply to individual LEO's who used unregistered, personally owned, NFA type items for duty use.






I heard of this case, but I forget the name off the top of my head...off to Google...
5/16/2023 9:09:45 AM EDT
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There's the more equal again
The ATF did not appeal the ruling out of IL, that the NFA did not apply to individual LEO's who used unregistered, personally owned, NFA type items for duty use.




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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering "WTF is this guy up to now?"
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben's battle plan.

They are probably likely to approve the form 1 to keep them from getting sued

There's the more equal again
The ATF did not appeal the ruling out of IL, that the NFA did not apply to individual LEO's who used unregistered, personally owned, NFA type items for duty use.





5/16/2023 12:37:53 PM EDT
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I'm in for $50 jist to show up at the barbeque.
5/16/2023 12:39:27 PM EDT
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I would really like to have mgs and rpgs
5/16/2023 12:46:22 PM EDT
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You can already buy RPGs...

5/16/2023 12:56:41 PM EDT
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Ok, without gov permission and able to get he rounds from a vending machine
5/16/2023 1:05:18 PM EDT
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My dream before i die is to be able to own a select fire rifle and a belt fed weapon.   Being able to go into the gun store and buy them and able to walk out of the store with them that day.    Suppresors should not be regulated.  

I am not a lawyer but just reading through this thread i can see some good ways that alot of what is on the books as law now, is unconstitutional.  

The FBATFE should be peppering their angus.
5/16/2023 5:13:09 PM EDT
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@Ben

Go ahead and change my 50 bucks to $1050.
5/16/2023 10:40:11 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm disinclined to bet against you; you seem to know something I don't

So I'll give you 10:1 odds, put me down for $100 if you win.
5/17/2023 11:13:24 AM EDT
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Phase 2.
5/17/2023 11:14:39 AM EDT
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In for $100 where do I send it?
5/17/2023 11:16:09 AM EDT
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ouch, disapproved which is what most thought. now you fight em?
5/17/2023 11:17:28 AM EDT
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It is time to go all John Paul Jones.
5/17/2023 11:19:04 AM EDT
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Holy shit that was quick lol

Let me know how I can send my $50
5/17/2023 11:57:59 AM EDT
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Well shit, wish I'd seen this a couple of days ago.

@Ben put me in for 1k just to FATF and for the ensuing shenanigans that'll hopefully cause.
5/17/2023 12:00:04 PM EDT
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I'm actually surprised that they did that I expected them to just leave it in an unassigned status perpetually.  Maybe it is automatic or otherwise built into the system?

I might do this too, just so I can say I have standing just like Ben.
5/17/2023 12:03:53 PM EDT
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5/17/2023 2:58:10 PM EDT
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5/17/2023 8:17:05 PM EDT
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Just a thought.... would it help at all if a bunch of us get together and all file F1s together with the knowledge that they will be denied?

Like to show MGs would be even more common if 922(o) didn't exist.
5/18/2023 10:48:51 AM EDT
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Just a thought.... would it help at all if a bunch of us get together and all file F1s together with the knowledge that they will be denied?

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I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well.

If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people.
5/18/2023 11:00:22 AM EDT
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I heard of this case, but I forget the name off the top of my head...off to Google...
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It would be fun to be a fly on the wall at ATF offices while some agents are reading this thread and wondering "WTF is this guy up to now?"
Would be interesting to know how many man hours have been wasted trying to figure out Ben's battle plan.

They are probably likely to approve the form 1 to keep them from getting sued


The ATF did not appeal the ruling out of IL, that the NFA did not apply to individual LEO's who used unregistered, personally owned, NFA type items for duty use.






I heard of this case, but I forget the name off the top of my head...off to Google...



US vs Rock Island is the case I believe.

Also this thread may be of some interest (although everyone already knows the NFA registry data is dogshit).

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/MG-34-paperwork-shows-it-was-a-transferable-ATF-said-its-a-pre-sample/22-544280/
5/18/2023 12:21:37 PM EDT
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I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well.

If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people.
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Just a thought.... would it help at all if a bunch of us get together and all file F1s together with the knowledge that they will be denied?

Like to show MGs would be even more common if 922(o) didn't exist.


I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well.

If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people.
Same here...  if it would help the cause, I'd send in a Form 1 for a MG under my LLC.

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