[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What are the odds one could get the MG registry open again? I'm taking bets. (Page 9 of 10)
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Quoted: I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well. If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people. Quoted: Quoted: Just a thought.... would it help at all if a bunch of us get together and all file F1s together with the knowledge that they will be denied? Like to show MGs would be even more common if 922(o) didn't exist. I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well. If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people. I'm ready, digital fingerprint file in hand, to submit dozens of F1 machine guns. Just give the word. |
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Quoted: 16 May 2023 I just got the fastest disapproval I've ever seen. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72384/Screenshot_20230517-163909-2819610.png ETA: Some folks haven't realized that this isn't actually a bet- win or lose, if you are in support, you get to come to the BBQ. You get the same benefit whether we win or lose. I submitted a Form 1 for a MG today as an individual. I'm currently accepting bets on whether I will manage to get the registry open through what I suspect with good reason will be follow-on legal action. You're betting against a seat in a BBQ at my ranch following final resolution. We will say your seat, for simplicity sake, is worth ten dollars. What odds will you give me? Anyone 100,000 to 1? (That's a million dollar bet, for those mathematically challenged.  )10,000 to 1? Resolution to be determined by one of the following: The registry is opened, or A court finds against me and the appeal is denied, or it has been appealed and lost, and no legal remedies remain. Who will put their money where their mouth is? And let's be real. If I lose, I'll feed you. If I win, I'll feed you while you deliver your cash.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72384/Form_1_Submitted-2811829.jpg Top 10% of commitments: Anonymous $10000 mnew007 $1001 TxTacticalArms $1000 Kuraki $1000 fish223 $1000 Total list of BBQ attendees: Darkgray $100 LineofDeparture $50 Wizzy $200 in (5.56 for the new M16A1 blast off at the party) mustangduckk $200 Kuraki $1000 FriskyDillo $50 FritzTKatt $20 fish223 $1000 rtlm $100 haveTwo $100 Giltweasel $100 Ranxerox911 $50 1BMF (One PSA/H&R Arms M16 registered as a MG) Apple3_14159 $870 (payable in beer and ammo) mbg0001 $60 DmacRTCo $25 1Tribe $100 bkpkr $100 TxTacticalArms $1000 cyclone (5 pmags) Bophades $100 NY12ga $50 TribunusSanGeorgii $50 Whiteryno $200 lokt $250 GrantS $100 pn9ne $100 xmission $250 Clovis_Chitwood $50 Bellows1 $50 Klay $20 Tortilla-flats $1000 JustinU235 $1000 FJB247 $100 CouncilofDave $250 Mcgiggles $100 d16man $50 wile326 $100 dtux $100 Your1Savior $100 Wizzy $200 (in May 2023 5.56~ about 500 rounds). Cypselus $200 steviesterno16 $1000 4FishLimit $250 Mike327 $400 (plus $1000 more on successful resolution) BLKVooDoo $500 home_alone1 $1000 mnew007 $1001 tReznr $1000 Brawndo $100 trio $100 JimPope $200 DistanceX $100 futurerancher $100 FF208 $50 Miles_Urbanus $100 aplomado $100 Striker (brought to you by high_order1) $50 CleverNickname $200 Dawgfan28 $20 BourbonBeast $200 amaixner $200 UsernameUnknown $100 Genin $20 Notcalifornialegal $100 I've said for years, the NFA and at minimum HUGHES' days are absolutely limited. |
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Quoted: I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well. If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people. Quoted: Quoted: Just a thought.... would it help at all if a bunch of us get together and all file F1s together with the knowledge that they will be denied? Like to show MGs would be even more common if 922(o) didn't exist. I'd be happy to do that, and I am sure many other members of ar15.com would as well. If organized well, I am sure that could be thousands of people. If it will help, I will as well. |
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Quoted: My dream before i die is to be able to own a select fire rifle and a belt fed weapon. Being able to go into the gun store and buy them and able to walk out of the store with them that day. Suppresors should not be regulated. I am not a lawyer but just reading through this thread i can see some good ways that alot of what is on the books as law now, is unconstitutional. The FBATFE should be peppering their angus. I'd like the ability to legally experiment with making suppressors from scratch. So much innovation is stifled by these laws. |
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Quoted: I'd like the ability to legally experiment with making suppressors from scratch. So much innovation is stifled by these laws. What 12 year old doesn't want to build a greasegun or Swedish k with their dad in the garage |
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Quoted: I want to build and experiment with tube guns (smg's) ever since I was a kid in the late 80s. What 12 year old doesn't want to build a greasegun or Swedish k with their dad in the garage What 50something doesn’t want to build a grease gun or Swedish K with their grandson in the garage? |
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Quoted: Lol, best of luck, brother. Been at least a few approved stamps that were revoked, right? Wasn’t there a number of FOIA appeals filed trying to prove that the gayTF allowed post-86 MG’s to be placed on the registry as favors for politicians? (o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. (2) This subsection does not apply with respect to- (A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or (B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect. You dont think the scum that right laws dont always write in a back door for themselves. The real trick is getting little people to know about it...The solution in my layman opinion has been staring us in the face the whole time  Failed To Load Title |
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Quoted: IMHO, the 1986 MG ban is the first thing that should be attacked in the NFA. Put four identical MG's on the table. One transferrable pre-May, three post. Have the "expert" acknowledge that they are functionally identical. Have him explain exactly how it is that one of those is "Dangerous and Unusual" and the others are not. It's also a law that is VERY far away from 1791 and makes the least amount of sense. This, but also go after the Bronsozian angle. If something is a tax, it must generate revenue. Does Congress’s power to tax give it the power to punish the possession of unregistered machineguns under § 5861(d) of the NFA, even though it is impossible to register and pay tax on those machineguns, the law generates no revenue, and the only enforcement mechanism is prosecution? |
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Quoted: I'm not on the list, either; I must be on ignore, as well. Still more than happy to bet/donate. Quoted: I'm not on the list, either; I must be on ignore, as well. Still more than happy to bet/donate. Quoted: didn’t see my name on op, maybe i’m on your ignore  but just wanted to back up my claim in case you missed.I don't use the ignore list. Sorry guys, I've been traveling in the Gobi Desert with either no internet or 1G/2G data for my phone, so I haven't been updating anything. I'll go through and update soon. |
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Quoted: I want to build and experiment with tube guns (smg's) ever since I was a kid in the late 80s. What 12 year old doesn't want to build a greasegun or Swedish k with their dad in the garage or in my case, make a full auto (11 years old) and have dad see me shooting it in the yard, shake his head, have the talk with me, and then proceed to toss it in the river :-( didn't make sense to me then that I couldn't have it, still doesn't but yet here I sit with a whole ream of form 4's because "that is the way" |
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Quoted: I love a good bet, but I'm going to have to call shenanigans to avoid losing bigly. You're 100% right legally, and if anyone can pull it off it's you. The only unknown is what kind of illegal/unconstitutional mental gymnastics will be applied to make your case go away, and I can't bet on schizophrenic application of "law." So I'll simply say: Good luck Sir, I'm rooting for you and I hope you can pull it off. Not a betting man, but would love to have a BBQ and show off some newly registered mgs. |
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Quoted: I probably still couldn't afford it, even if the NFA was repealed. Maybe a full auto AP5? Quoted: Quoted: can I buy a FA Mp5 yet? I probably still couldn't afford it, even if the NFA was repealed. Maybe a full auto AP5? If the NFA was repealed, it’d only cost you $1K for the gun and whatever a smith charges to remove the sear block/shelf and either weld your carrier for the sear trip or just swap for a new carrier. Then hook up a full auto trigger pack and you’re good. Now if you want it to be German and say HK on it, figure 2.5-2.8K for a SP5, then send it… smiths can even re-mark it to say MP5. |
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Quoted: What 50something doesn’t want to build a grease gun or Swedish K with their grandson in the garage? Quoted: Quoted: I want to build and experiment with tube guns (smg's) ever since I was a kid in the late 80s. What 12 year old doesn't want to build a greasegun or Swedish k with their dad in the garage What 50something doesn’t want to build a grease gun or Swedish K with their grandson in the garage? My parts kit is ready! |
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Quoted: (o)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. (2) This subsection does not apply with respect to- (A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or (B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect. You dont think the scum that right laws dont always write in a back door for themselves. The real trick is getting little people to know about it...The solution in my layman opinion has been staring us in the face the whole time  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbDaYUdDsGgGarands? Epic Hans Zimmer OSTs? |
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That Wyoming guy got shot out of the water pretty darn quick due to lack of standing (sued as individual, and not for his trust), but also because the District Court Judge can't believe peasants should have the same things the King does: Wyoming Chief U.S. District Court Judge Scott Skavdahl said he couldn’t permit DeWilde’s argument because it’s contrary to U.S. Supreme Court rulings. “Plaintiff’s argument logically would demand that the entire law-abiding citizenry is permitted to possess the same weapons our armed forces utilize,” wrote Skavdahl in a Monday order dismissing DeWilde’s lawsuit from the federal court. “Where is the limit? Tanks, bombs, nuclear weapons? “This is beyond outlandish, yet it is the logical result of Plaintiff’s argument that provides no limit. The Court declines to permit such an astonishing result.” Same judge that struck down Wyoming's gay marriage ban one day after hearing arguments, Obama-appointed, etc. has identified "the limit" mere citizens should have, apparently. I feel *shocked*, Cotton! |