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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:19:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are relentlessly posting Russian propaganda It’s getting ridiculous. The website you posted is a Russian Nationalist website. The tagline of your little website is “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia”. And it’s not just any old empire – it’s the Anglo-Zionist Empire. YOUR site breaks it down in detail: The US Empire is run by a 1% (or less) elite which can be called the “deep state” which is composed of two main groups: Anglos and Jews. These two groups are in many ways hostile to each other (just like the SS and SA or Trotskysts and Stalinists), but they share 1) a racist outlook on the rest of mankind 2) a messianic ideology 3) a phenomenal propensity for violence 4) an obsession with money and greed and its power to corrupt. So they work together almost all the time. Russian Stooge or a Useful Idiot? One or the other. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The latest from the Russians: Day 4 of the Russian offensive in the Ukraine The big story today is the gradual closing of the operational cauldron in the East: https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Screenshot-from-2022-02-28-09-57-04-300x222.jpg You are relentlessly posting Russian propaganda It’s getting ridiculous. The website you posted is a Russian Nationalist website. The tagline of your little website is “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia”. And it’s not just any old empire – it’s the Anglo-Zionist Empire. YOUR site breaks it down in detail: The US Empire is run by a 1% (or less) elite which can be called the “deep state” which is composed of two main groups: Anglos and Jews. These two groups are in many ways hostile to each other (just like the SS and SA or Trotskysts and Stalinists), but they share 1) a racist outlook on the rest of mankind 2) a messianic ideology 3) a phenomenal propensity for violence 4) an obsession with money and greed and its power to corrupt. So they work together almost all the time. Russian Stooge or a Useful Idiot? One or the other. 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:26:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) Quote HistoryQuoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) KEY FINDINGS ? In the years after the Cold War, U.S. forces became lighter while Russian forces experienced a severe overall decline. Russia has reversed the decline of its military forces since 2008, and continues to expand and refine its capability for high-intensity conventional warfare. ? Russia has retained a combined-arms force that emphasizes mobility and firepower and trains to conduct larger-scale operations, strengthening Russia’s ability to engage in conflicts between mechanized forces close to its border. ? Improvements in Russia’s military forces over the last decade have reduced the once-gaping qualitative and technological gaps between Russia and NATO. These improvements come while Russia is expanding its forces in the West, maintaining more high-readiness forces, and gaining valuable combat experience in Ukraine and Syria. ? The NATO members in the Baltic Sea region—Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland—collectively field much smaller ground forces than those present in Russia’s Western Military District. ? In the event of a ground attack on a NATO member in the Baltic region, Russia would have a substantial time-distance advantage in the initial days and weeks of its ground campaign because of its strong starting position and ability to reinforce with ground and air units from elsewhere in Russia. Ban me I don’t give a fuck. But this guy is absolutely full of fucking shit and is straight spreading propaganda on this website. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:35:00 AM EDT
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One of America's greatest presidents had something important to say about what was going on inside OUR government:
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:40:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, Russia is going to carry out a ground attack on Poland or Finland and not have all its armor and planes turned into scrap metal within a week. Russia is a third stringer that beats up on non-combatants Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) Russia is a third stringer that beats up on non-combatants Finland is not even part of NATO. Poland has got a fleet of mostly obsolete T-72M tanks. You think Germany is going to save them? Germany’s active tank fleet, which once numbered in the thousands, had been reduced to 244 by 2017. Of these, fewer than 100 were cited in recent reporting as being operationally ready for duty |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:48:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russians recently released this info: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13889279 They can hit anywhere in the Ukraine in 10 minutes, and with properly positioned sea and air launch platforms, anywhere in Europe. It's really too bad that the US Military budget couldn't afford equivalent missiles or Thermobaric weapons the Russians have had for decades: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/wolrd_military_spending_barchart.png Apparently because US taxpayer money went missing or was wasted: ( Report: U.S. Army Fudged Trillions of Dollars in Accounting ) Actually we do have hypersonic weapons, and a battery being fielded. I've seen the tests and although it has interesting capabilities, it has almost no utility in this conflict. It's meant for getting through thick A2AD bubbles which don't exist anywhere in that area. Think more South China Sea for applicability. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:52:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) That's the same assessment they use when I have to go and "fight" in Warfighter exercises. After seeing the Russian performance the past few days, the next one I go to I'm heading over to the world class OPFOR room and calling bullshit.... |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the usefull idiots of Arfcom actually took notice of Putin's strat they would have seen: In the begiining he was calling for the Ukraininan millitary to topple the governement. He expected them to fall apart yet hardened their resolve for the comming generations. Whatever the outcome any Russian troops left in Ukraine and any puppets installed want live quietly. Good thing we have the Dutch pushing hard on this. Do they have a long proud tradition of standing up to tyrants in Europe? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:20:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a difference between having a difference of opinion and intentionally using false information to distort fact and manipulate thought. The former is fine,the latter is bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So shut down speech is the Answer?The Democratic Party says the same thing about Republicans ''Why should we Listen to People who I Disagree with,SHUT THEM DOWN".. There is a difference between having a difference of opinion and intentionally using false information to distort fact and manipulate thought. The former is fine,the latter is bullshit. The problem is and always will be: who decides what is truth and what are lies. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:38:11 AM EDT
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What kind of resistance can Ukraine mount?
Commanders of the Ukrainian armed forces and Western analysts recognize that given the major disparities in capabilities, operations by the upward of 190,000 Russian military and internal security personnel now deployed around and in parts of Ukraine will likely overwhelm the country’s conventional defenses. Previous research by the think tank Rand on historic aspects of armed resistance concluded that, overall, such efforts have limited chances of imposing decisive costs on a highly capable occupier, especially if the aggressor is committed to total victory. Our research also found that external military and political support, or the lack thereof, can have a decisive impact on the outcome of the conflict. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:53:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually we do have hypersonic weapons, and a battery being fielded. I've seen the tests and although it has interesting capabilities, it has almost no utility in this conflict. It's meant for getting through thick A2AD bubbles which don't exist anywhere in that area. Think more South China Sea for applicability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russians recently released this info: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13889279 They can hit anywhere in the Ukraine in 10 minutes, and with properly positioned sea and air launch platforms, anywhere in Europe. It's really too bad that the US Military budget couldn't afford equivalent missiles or Thermobaric weapons the Russians have had for decades: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/wolrd_military_spending_barchart.png Apparently because US taxpayer money went missing or was wasted: ( Report: U.S. Army Fudged Trillions of Dollars in Accounting ) Actually we do have hypersonic weapons, and a battery being fielded. I've seen the tests and although it has interesting capabilities, it has almost no utility in this conflict. It's meant for getting through thick A2AD bubbles which don't exist anywhere in that area. Think more South China Sea for applicability. The missiles still need to be field tested: Soldiers at the Army base received everything they needed Oct. 7 to conduct training on the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon and carry out test flights for the boost-glide system the ... item they are lacking to carry out their mission are the final configuration of the missiles themselves, the first of which he expected to be delivered at the beginning of fiscal year 2023 |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:54:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finland is not even part of NATO. Poland has got a fleet of mostly obsolete T-72M tanks. You think Germany is going to save them? Poland operates more modern Leopard 2 tanks than Germany, more modern tanks than the UK (and more modern too) etc. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, Russia is going to carry out a ground attack on Poland or Finland and not have all its armor and planes turned into scrap metal within a week. Russia is a third stringer that beats up on non-combatants Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) Russia is a third stringer that beats up on non-combatants But, but, they just adopted socks for their troops... |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are still Ukranians even in the West who support Russia rolling in. Also, there are Russian plants in the Ukranian government and military all the way up to some close to Zalenski himself, and in the SBU. Gee whiz. Just like there are Leftist commie plants in the Republican Party? And Globalist Hedge Fund Darth Vader plants in the DNC? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:47:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing we have the Dutch pushing hard on this. Do they have a long proud tradition of standing up to tyrants in Europe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the usefull idiots of Arfcom actually took notice of Putin's strat they would have seen: In the begiining he was calling for the Ukraininan millitary to topple the governement. He expected them to fall apart yet hardened their resolve for the comming generations. Whatever the outcome any Russian troops left in Ukraine and any puppets installed want live quietly. Good thing we have the Dutch pushing hard on this. Do they have a long proud tradition of standing up to tyrants in Europe? Aside from grandpa getting wounded in the battle for The Hague and and being an active link in the resistance because he could speak English the post medievil track record is less than stellar. But one of our most famous painting is litteraly 'The Millitia'  |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 12:55:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of resistance can Ukraine mount? Commanders of the Ukrainian armed forces and Western analysts recognize that given the major disparities in capabilities, operations by the upward of 190,000 Russian military and internal security personnel now deployed around and in parts of Ukraine will likely overwhelm the country’s conventional defenses. Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of resistance can Ukraine mount? Commanders of the Ukrainian armed forces and Western analysts recognize that given the major disparities in capabilities, operations by the upward of 190,000 Russian military and internal security personnel now deployed around and in parts of Ukraine will likely overwhelm the country’s conventional defenses. Previous research by the think tank Rand on historic aspects of armed resistance concluded that, overall, such efforts have limited chances of imposing decisive costs on a highly capable occupier, especially if the aggressor is committed to total victory. Our research also found that external military and political support, or the lack thereof, can have a decisive impact on the outcome of the conflict. Rand underestimates the efectiveness of the support of the local population. It doesnt matter either, they wil resist or have their children live under the Russian boot. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:05:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Poland operates more modern Leopard 2 tanks than Germany, more modern tanks than the UK (and more modern too) etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Finland is not even part of NATO. Poland has got a fleet of mostly obsolete T-72M tanks. You think Germany is going to save them? Poland operates more modern Leopard 2 tanks than Germany, more modern tanks than the UK (and more modern too) etc. I already posted how many tanks Germany operates (not many)... Could you post the figure for Poland? Because the numbers I'm seeing look comparable. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:08:41 PM EDT
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I find this "ban" all the "pro-Russian" bullshit censorship calls total beta moves.
Let the Russian trolls post all they want, it's not hard to refute them and if we don't trust the majority of the people who post here to be intelligent enough to discern what is right and what is wrong than we've really lost the battle already. Besides, some contrary opinions are important. Putin is surrounded by "yes men" and looks where that has gotten him. It is important to be challenged on our positions and if you can't handle that challenge you need to go sit in your safe space and let those who can actually counter the pro-Russian talk points handle it. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:10:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I already posted how many tanks Germany operates (not many)... Could you post the figure for Poland? Because the numbers I'm seeing look comparable. 249 Leopard 2, 232 PT-91, 528 T-72. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:14:04 PM EDT
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We should bring in Finland as soon as possible into NATO.
Now is the perfect time to do so, but the longer we wait the more our window of opportunity closes. Popular support for joining NATO is at an all time high in Finland, but that will dissipate as the war in the Ukraine comes to a conclusion. Also, it took the Russians over a year to prepare for their invasion of the Ukraine and so they will be very slow to react in an intimidating conventional manner toward to Finland. Better to get Finland into NATO ASAP so that we can position NATO forces into Finland well before the Russians even have an opportunity to do anything about it in terms of repositioning forces along the Finnish border. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finland is not even part of NATO. Poland has got a fleet of mostly obsolete T-72M tanks. You think Germany is going to save them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) Russia is a third stringer that beats up on non-combatants Finland is not even part of NATO. Poland has got a fleet of mostly obsolete T-72M tanks. You think Germany is going to save them? Germany’s active tank fleet, which once numbered in the thousands, had been reduced to 244 by 2017. Of these, fewer than 100 were cited in recent reporting as being operationally ready for duty Bullshit. Poland has the Leopard 2 and excellent tank crews. They wont beed saving. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:25:58 PM EDT
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Small Wars Journal:
Russia, in fact, is ready to outperform NATO pound for pound in a conventional war because it can impose immense first-strike costs. NATO’s ability to launch a timely conventional counter-attack is dubious at best; already wounded, they will have to fight and win in a style of conflict they have not practiced in two continuous decades. Again, there is no military solution. It's time for a diplomatic solution. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 249 Leopard 2, 232 PT-91, 528 T-72. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I already posted how many tanks Germany operates (not many)... Could you post the figure for Poland? Because the numbers I'm seeing look comparable. 249 Leopard 2, 232 PT-91, 528 T-72. Thanks! The Leopold 2 number looks comparable to Germany (~244). Source? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Small Wars Journal: Russia, in fact, is ready to outperform NATO pound for pound in a conventional war because it can impose immense first-strike costs. NATO’s ability to launch a timely conventional counter-attack is dubious at best; already wounded, they will have to fight and win in a style of conflict they have not practiced in two continuous decades. Again, there is no military solution. It's time for a diplomatic solution. That article aged badly. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks! The Leopold 2 number looks comparable to Germany (~244). Source? National Interest and Wikipedia. 249 Leopards and 250 Abrams would be one of the most effective tank fleets in the world. Fhey e been modernizing a lot of their fleet and it’s accelerating. We should be talking a lot more about artillery though. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. Poland has the Leopard 2 and excellent tank crews. They wont need saving. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018) Russia is a third stringer that beats up on non-combatants Finland is not even part of NATO. Poland has got a fleet of mostly obsolete T-72M tanks. You think Germany is going to save them? Germany’s active tank fleet, which once numbered in the thousands, had been reduced to 244 by 2017. Of these, fewer than 100 were cited in recent reporting as being operationally ready for duty Bullshit. Poland has the Leopard 2 and excellent tank crews. They wont need saving. Not just having the equipment but having the guts to use it. Having seen the killings & destruction under both the Nazis & the Russians, the Poles will fight harder than just about anyone on the planet to protect their families & country from any "Invader". BIGGER_HAMMER  |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The missiles still need to be field tested: Soldiers at the Army base received everything they needed Oct. 7 to conduct training on the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon and carry out test flights for the boost-glide system The missiles have been shot and they work, that much I can assure you. They also take a long time to make and are expensive, which explains why it takes a while to field them and why Russia doesn't have nearly the capability they claim. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of resistance can Ukraine mount? Commanders of the Ukrainian armed forces and Western analysts recognize that given the major disparities in capabilities, operations by the upward of 190,000 Russian military and internal security personnel now deployed around and in parts of Ukraine will likely overwhelm the country’s conventional defenses. Why do you keep quoting rand reports like they are some sort of authority? The one you posted previously on Russian military capabilities was clearly wrong, why would we trust this one any more? That Small Wars Journal article you linked was also from a Rand analyst. All this tells me is that Rand sucks and are overpaid by the US government to produce erroneous reports. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Poland operates more modern Leopard 2 tanks than Germany, more modern tanks than the UK (and more modern too) etc. Those Polish people...so paranoid. I wonder what they're afraid of? 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least we know you didn't even read my post! I'm certain that shooting down jet fighters with Stingers is as easy as 1-2-3! A guy on the GD told me so! The US Army Stinger training course is 5-weeks, you certain Kiev is going hold out that long? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Putin is gonna get some new toys: NATO Countries To Provide Weapons, Air Defense Systems To Ukraine I'm sure that Ukrainians under-fire from the Russian onslaught will have no trouble learning those new Air Defense Systems in a little "on the job" training... Of course the TASS deniers here think that Ukraine doesn't even need NEW air defense systems because all those Russian strikes on Ukrainian Air Defense never actually happened!  Zerohedge... LOL You do know that they've already supplied "air defense systems" to Ukraine, right? They're called Stingers. Oh, and it's not "NATO." It's NATO countries, like the same ones that have been providing arms. Did you even read your own Russian made article? Damn, son... At least we know you didn't even read my post! I'm certain that shooting down jet fighters with Stingers is as easy as 1-2-3! A guy on the GD told me so! The US Army Stinger training course is 5-weeks, you certain Kiev is going hold out that long? How's you post aging considering that they're shooting down helicopters with them. 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The missiles have been shot and they work, that much I can assure you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The missiles still need to be field tested: Soldiers at the Army base received everything they needed Oct. 7 to conduct training on the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon and carry out test flights for the boost-glide system The missiles have been shot and they work, that much I can assure you. That's good to hear!! |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:29:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should be talking a lot more about artillery though. Indeed. Artillery is crucial. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:32:14 PM EDT
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Compilation of Debunked Russia Ukraine War Footage
https://battleplan.news/watch?id=621d23b169904d31b197dc8a |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:50:34 PM EDT
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Is this really too much to ask for? Its this really worth fighting WW3 for?
Moscow to seek legally binding security guarantees from NATO countries |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:55:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this really too much to ask for? Its this really worth fighting WW3 for? Moscow to seek legally binding security guarantees from NATO countries another Tass link? Really? Was the annexation of the Sudentenland really worth fighting WW2 for? How about Austria? Czechoslovakia? Poland? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. Artillery is crucial. We should, but so far we've seen very little of it in this conflict from either side. That surprises me considering both countries were trained on the old Soviet doctrine which emphasizes fires. My speculation as to why is: 1. The original plan was a rapid decapitation strike using light forces to seize key terrain and the capital. These lack a lot of organic fires capabilities compared to the heavy Russian forces. 2. Use of aviation assets as primary fire support, in particular attack helicopters. I think the Russians were trying to duplicate the US in our use of airpower as the dominant form of fires in a rapid maneuver campaign. Unfortunately failing to gain air superiority negates that strategy, and that's what happened here. 3. Now that the campaign has slowed and heavy forces are the primary attacking elements, I think communications are the biggest hindrance. There are a lot of ancedotal reports which indicates Russian comms are subpar. Without good comms it's hard to call in effective fires in a timely manner. Since the Ukrainians seem to be using small forces that rapidly engage and disengage, the Russians simply may not be able to call for fire quickly enough to utilize these assets effectively. 4. Terrain. The mud seems to be wreaking havoc with vehicles traveling off-road. The Russian tube and mechanized artillery may be struggling to setup effective PAAs in these conditions, making them unable to provide support. Again, this is all pure speculation based on the very limited info I've seen, it will be interesting as more information comes out to see what's really happening. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 2:58:22 PM EDT
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 Foreign Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine. 4 simple steps to join heroic Army |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this really too much to ask for? Its this really worth fighting WW3 for? Moscow to seek legally binding security guarantees from NATO countries So are you just going to hope we ignore the fact that you're posting literal Russian Propaganda? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:05:18 PM EDT
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Just how big a factor will the warming temperatures be later this month and in April?
Before all this kicked off, I read a number of comments concerning getting it done before the thaw. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:05:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this really too much to ask for? Its this really worth fighting WW3 for? Moscow to seek legally binding security guarantees from NATO countries Fucking tass? Seriously? Do you know what they left out? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:08:12 PM EDT
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@TheFaz
Esoterica but Army helicopters are maneuver elements not fires elements. Which means they select their own targets even in proximity to allied ground troops. But I bet you knew that. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How's you post aging considering that they're shooting down helicopters with them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least we know you didn't even read my post! I'm certain that shooting down jet fighters with Stingers is as easy as 1-2-3! A guy on the GD told me so! The US Army Stinger training course is 5-weeks, you certain Kiev is going hold out that long? How's you post aging considering that they're shooting down helicopters with them. Hey @r_s, shooting down helicopters with a Stinger is as easy as 1-2-3. This guy on GD who was honor grad of his USMC Stinger school and has fired 4 live missiles just told you so. 5 weeks actually sounds like an abbreviated course - ours was more like 4 months. However, that includes a ton of shit that isn't related to just shooting a MANPADS stinger. I could have motivated Ukrainians slapping down Mi-8s in a day. Maybe 2 for jets. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you keep quoting rand reports like they are some sort of authority? The one you posted previously on Russian military capabilities was clearly wrong, why would we trust this one any more? That Small Wars Journal article you linked was also from a Rand analyst. All this tells me is that Rand sucks and are overpaid by the US government to produce erroneous reports. The purpose of the RAND Corp. is to increase the budget of the US Air Force. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:14:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 249 Leopard 2, 232 PT-91, 528 T-72. With M1s coming to replace the T-72s. Right now Russia is losing top of their top of the line equipment at an unsustainable pace. Russia being close to NATO on the conventional side has been shown to be a lie. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Small Wars Journal: Russia, in fact, is ready to outperform NATO pound for pound in a conventional war because it can impose immense first-strike costs. NATO's ability to launch a timely conventional counter-attack is dubious at best; already wounded, they will have to fight and win in a style of conflict they have not practiced in two continuous decades. Again, there is no military solution. It's time for a diplomatic solution. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:18:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this really too much to ask for? Its this really worth fighting WW3 for? Moscow to seek legally binding security guarantees from NATO countries Yes, stopping nations from denying sovereignty of democratic nations is worth fighting for. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:23:43 PM EDT
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This thread needs to be a sticky so that Trash Panda can forever live in shame.
Mike |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:26:31 PM EDT
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How long did it take us to roll through Iraq? A month or so?
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:37:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, stopping nations from denying sovereignty of democratic nations is worth fighting for. "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests. The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible." George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796 |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @TheFaz Esoterica but Army helicopters are maneuver elements not fires elements. Which means they select their own targets even in proximity to allied ground troops. But I bet you knew that. You're right, although I like to give aviators crap when they plot their maneuver graphics and ask them if they're going to be seizing that terrain or not... |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:20:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right, although I like to give aviators crap when they plot their maneuver graphics and ask them if they're going to be seizing that terrain or not... Apparently those aviators did not fly the Kiowa Warrior, the pilots of which had been known to seize ground.  In seriousness though it seems that some of the distinctions we make are related to services holding onto what’s theirs and some are actually meaningful, like whether an airframe is allowed to pick its own targets or not. If we did not have an Air Force, what would ADA look like? What would we use missiles for instead of bombs? |
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