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Link Posted: 2/28/2022 11:24:14 AM EDT
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Not all Americans are pacifist willing to rollover for an invading force.
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Here's the link in case you are looking for it.

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/02/27/want-to-go-fight-for-ukraine-heres-what-to-do/

Good luck and send pics of your first tank kill!


Link Posted: 2/28/2022 11:47:09 AM EDT
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Some of us believe in understanding history and the US Constitution, others prefer not to
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You can make an argument that the founders intended to use a militia and you’d be absolutely right.

But history shows the downsides of that.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 11:50:45 AM EDT
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Russian Maps from Feb 26th



The Russian advance from the South and from the North are close to trapping about 10-12 Ukrainian Brigades in a cauldron where they are cut off and surrounded.  Kiev is almost surrounded as is Mariupol.  

Link Posted: 2/28/2022 11:53:24 AM EDT
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You can make an argument that the founders intended to use a militia and you’d be absolutely right.

But history shows the downsides of that.
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Some of us believe in understanding history and the US Constitution, others prefer not to


You can make an argument that the founders intended to use a militia and you’d be absolutely right.

But history shows the downsides of that.


There are pros and cons to everything in life.  The founders deeply studied history and applied those lessons.  It is crucial for Americans today to understand what they understood clearly in the 1700s.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 11:59:33 AM EDT
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Russian Maps from Feb 26th

https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Situation-as-of-Feb-26-afternoon-EST-1536x1239.jpg

The Russian advance from the South and from the North are close to trapping about 10-12 Ukrainian Brigades in a cauldron where they are cut off and surrounded.  Kiev is almost surrounded as is Mariupol.  

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Today is the 28th and those maps are not based on reality.  
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 12:06:44 PM EDT
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There are pros and cons to everything in life.  The founders deeply studied history and applied those lessons.  It is crucial for Americans today to understand what they understood clearly in the 1700s.
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Yet it was clear in 1812 that a militia was insufficient and as complicated as war is now, a militia alone would be a tremendous mistake.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 12:16:30 PM EDT
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In light of the grotesquely one-sided Ukrainian war news on the MSM, it can be well and truly said that America circa February 2022 has become the land where history died.

Imperial Washington no longer cares about facts, logic, truth and most especially history. At the time of the Bush War on Saddam’s WMD’s, Karl Rove explained the Empire’s New Creed without pulling any punches.

   “That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

There you have it. And Rove is no out-of-the-way academic scribbler inventing some high-fluting rationalization for American global hegemony. To the contrary, he’s a lifetime Swamp creature, leading beltway racketeer and the strategic brain trust of the GOP establishment.
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Link Posted: 2/28/2022 12:22:57 PM EDT
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Yet it was clear in 1812 that a militia was insufficient and as complicated as war is now, a militia alone would be a tremendous mistake.
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There are pros and cons to everything in life.  The founders deeply studied history and applied those lessons.  It is crucial for Americans today to understand what they understood clearly in the 1700s.

Yet it was clear in 1812 that a militia was insufficient and as complicated as war is now, a militia alone would be a tremendous mistake.


Some active military (ie Air Force, Navy, Marines, SOF, Space Force, etc) is important.  Not having a militia has been a worse mistake.  A standing army and fake news by the oligarchs is what keeps Biden in power:

Link Posted: 2/28/2022 12:44:35 PM EDT
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Ummmmm.

That’s the militia in that picture.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 12:54:16 PM EDT
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Today is the 28th and those maps are not based on reality.  
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Updated map? The Russians are now able to drive convoys freely down highways, with fuel and resupply trucks driving three abreast. They have clearly achieved air superiority and freedom of movement.

If the Ukrainian forces aren't dug into a city or some kind of strong point they are now very exposed to being encircled and bombarded with artillery untill they no longer exist.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 1:07:36 PM EDT
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It’s likely that Russian air superiority is localized to areas they control.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 1:27:28 PM EDT
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Politicians start wars, people suffer from them

Maybe neither GOVERNMENT is innocent.

But the Ukrainian people are pretty innocent. So in that case these are wolves attacking sheep.

But the sheep are fighting back.


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JFC...  The Putin Backers saying The Ukrainian People Deserve to be invaded by Russians with Missile Strikes, Bombing, Artillery & Tanks.

Remind us all again - whom exactly did Ukraine "Invade" to provoke this War??

The Russian Armed Forces invaded & illegally annexed Crimea in 2014

The Russians (via "Little Green Men" & Weapons) took Luhansk & Donetsk Regions of Ukraine

All in Clear Violations of the Budapest Agreement that Ukraine gave up the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal on the promise that Russia would not interfere with with Ukraines Politics, Economy & would respect it's borders & territory.

The Russian Backing Contingent here?   JFC - they'd be shouting for the Nazis in 1939 to Crush Poland because they "liked the Nazis policies & snappy Hugo Boss inspired Uniforms".

One side is CLEARLY the Invader, and one side is CLEARLY the invaded.  

Glad the Ukrainian Defenders are making the Russians pay deeply for every step forward.  

Hope the Russians are smart enough or lucky enough to get out & go back where they belong, but if they are not, I hope the Sunflower crop is fantastic in the Ukraine...

 

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Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:11:36 PM EDT
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Ummmmm.

That’s the militia in that picture.
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Ummmmm.

That’s the militia in that picture.


LOL, that's what authoritarians want you to believe.

The truth: The Militia: In History and Today

Recognizing the right of the people to organize locally for their mutual defense, the Founders therefore devised a system of government in which military power is divided between federal forces and a popular militia, between federal and state governments, with power over the military divided between the legislative and executive branches of government.

Not only does the right of the people to organize locally for their mutual defense still exist today, the exercise of that right is every bit as important today as it was during colonial times.

...Federalizing the Guard

...And as federal funding for the Guard increased, so federal control over the Guard also increased, and the Guard gradually ceased to be a defender of the people’s liberty against domestic tyranny.

A further reorganization took place in 1933, under which certain specially designated National Guard units received special attention and funding from the federal government. Men who enlisted in these Guard units were considered to have simultaneously enlisted in both their state’s Guard Unit and the National Guard of the United States. Members of these units could be ordered to active duty with the United States armed forces, and upon completion of that service, their status would revert to that of members of their state’s Guard. Guard units were better funded than before, but much of their independence and their identity as representatives of their respective states was lost. It is an old story, repeated many times before and many times since: federal aid leads to federal control.

At first, members of these units could be ordered to federal service only in the event of a national emergency. (Article I, § 8 says Congress can call the militia into federal service "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.") In 1952, Congress removed that requirement but provided that, in the absence of a national emergency, a state Guard unit could be federalized only with the governor’s consent. That consent requirement was partially repealed by the Montgomery Amendment of 1986, which provided that a governor may not withhold his consent to federalization of his state’s Guard unit for service outside the United States because of any objection to the location, purpose, type, or schedule of such duty.

In 1987, Minnesota Governor Rudy Perpich objected to the deployment of the Minnesota National Guard to Central America, alleging that the Montgomery Amendment unconstitutionally interfered with his authority over the Guard pursuant to Article I of the Constitution. In Perpich v. Department of Defense, 496 U.S. 334 (1990), the Supreme Court held that, under the dual-enlistment system established in 1933, guardsmen lose their status as militia members when they are ordered to federal service, and therefore the militia clauses of Article I, § 8 afford them and their units with no constitutional protection. The practical effect of this decision is that National Guardsmen are, first and foremost, federal troops; their connection with the state militias is increasingly tenuous.

Over the years from 1903 to 1990, Guard units have increasingly come under the authority of the United States government. They still bear the name of their respective states, i.e. the Idaho National Guard, and they still perform functions for their respective states. But it is now clear that they are federal forces first, state forces only second, and only at the sufferance of the federal government. The Guard continues to perform admirable service in the defense of our nation, and they serve heroically to defend their states and local communities against natural disasters like Tropical Storm Katrina. Any American who serves or has served in the Guard should be proud indeed. But the guardsman’s role as defender of the people of his state against domestic tyranny, as envisioned by Madison and Hamilton, has virtually disappeared.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:18:31 PM EDT
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He’s the guy that thinks a militiaman is more effective than a professional soldier.
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It the spirit of this thread title and defeatism.

Near impossible battle is going on for the Ukraininans -> Sure but I'm donating some of my personally owned stuff like bulletproof vests, binos, scopes and any spare ninja stuff I have lying around to some Ukrianians living here and are leaving tonight.      

I hope the resistance is able to kill the Russian occupiers and any installed puppets in the comming years.  

Seems some old hags and geezers can be more motivated than the Putin cockgobbeling brigade of Arfcom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZ5KuNuUjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxFUURKDgQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0P1iy7N-as  

https://funker530.com/video/ukrainiantroops-knock-out-russian-tigr-m-convoy-in-kharkiv/


I understand that instead of a simple treaty that you are personally working to turn Ukraine into a bloodbath.

CIA lead insurgency in the cities is in the works.  Which intelligence service are you with again?



You don’t honestly think a “simple treaty”, could have avoided this invasion, do you?        

I’m pretty sure nobody could be that gullible.

He’s the guy that thinks a militiaman is more effective than a professional soldier.


I’m pretty sure Afghanistan illustrated fairly well that a “militiaman” if dedicated and motivated enough can accomplish quite a lot against professional soldiers.

There’s obviously reasons for that, and I’m oversimplifying, but the point stands. It’s simply ignorant to dismiss the effectiveness of insurgencies in countries you are trying to occupy.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:23:20 PM EDT
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I’m pretty sure Afghanistan illustrated fairly well that a “militiaman” if dedicated and motivated enough can accomplish quite a lot against professional soldiers.

There’s obviously reasons for that, and I’m oversimplifying, but the point stands. It’s simply ignorant to dismiss the effectiveness of insurgencies in countries you are trying to occupy.
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Im not dismissing insurgencies I’m suggesting that man for man the militia aren’t as effective as the professional. Which is true.

When planning your defense given the option to stop them at the border or be occupied and rebel which do you like?
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:24:26 PM EDT
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Updated map? The Russians are now able to drive convoys freely down highways, with fuel and resupply trucks driving three abreast. They have clearly achieved air superiority and freedom of movement.

If the Ukrainian forces aren't dug into a city or some kind of strong point they are now very exposed to being encircled and bombarded with artillery untill they no longer exist.
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Today is the 28th and those maps are not based on reality.  


Updated map? The Russians are now able to drive convoys freely down highways, with fuel and resupply trucks driving three abreast. They have clearly achieved air superiority and freedom of movement.

If the Ukrainian forces aren't dug into a city or some kind of strong point they are now very exposed to being encircled and bombarded with artillery untill they no longer exist.


Apparently the Russians are keeping a significant portion of their troops in the area as reserve.  The Western "media" is hiding any updates.  

Russian army deploys its TOS-1 thermobaric rocket launcher

Its really sad how ugly this unnecessary conflict is getting.

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

In the weeks leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, those warning of the possible dangers of U.S. involvement were assured that such concerns were baseless. The prevailing line insisted that nobody in Washington is even considering let alone advocating that the U.S. become militarily involved in a conflict with Russia. That the concern was based not on the belief that the U.S. would actively seek such a war, but rather on the oft-unintended consequences of being swamped with war propaganda and the high levels of tribalism, jingoism and emotionalism that accompany it, was ignored. It did not matter how many wars one could point to in history that began unintentionally, with unchecked, dangerous tensions spiraling out of control. Anyone warning of this obviously dangerous possibility was met with the “straw man” cliché: you are arguing against a position that literally nobody in D.C. is defending.


Having the U.S. risk global nuclear annihilation over Ukraine is an indescribably insane view, as one realizes upon a few seconds of sober reflection.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:27:55 PM EDT
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Updated map? The Russians are now able to drive convoys freely down highways, with fuel and resupply trucks driving three abreast. They have clearly achieved air superiority and freedom of movement.

If the Ukrainian forces aren't dug into a city or some kind of strong point they are now very exposed to being encircled and bombarded with artillery untill they no longer exist.
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Today is the 28th and those maps are not based on reality.  


Updated map? The Russians are now able to drive convoys freely down highways, with fuel and resupply trucks driving three abreast. They have clearly achieved air superiority and freedom of movement.

If the Ukrainian forces aren't dug into a city or some kind of strong point they are now very exposed to being encircled and bombarded with artillery untill they no longer exist.



Again not based on reality. There are very few areas that Russians can use highways.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:34:27 PM EDT
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Again not based on reality. There are very few areas that Russians can use highways.
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I have yet to see any photos of equipment and troops living or dead away from roads.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:34:31 PM EDT
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JFC...  The Putin Backers saying The Ukrainian People Deserve to be invaded by Russians with Missile Strikes, Bombing, Artillery & Tanks.

Remind us all again - whom exactly did Ukraine "Invade" to provoke this War??

The Russian Armed Forces invaded & illegally annexed Crimea in 2014

The Russians (via "Little Green Men" & Weapons) took Luhansk & Donetsk Regions of Ukraine

All in Clear Violations of the Budapest Agreement that Ukraine gave up the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal on the promise that Russia would not interfere with with Ukraines Politics, Economy & would respect it's borders & territory.

The Russian Backing Contingent here?   JFC - they'd be shouting for the Nazis in 1939 to Crush Poland because they "liked the Nazis policies & snappy Hugo Boss inspired Uniforms".

One side is CLEARLY the Invader, and one side is CLEARLY the invaded.  

Glad the Ukrainian Defenders are making the Russians pay deeply for every step forward.  

Hope the Russians are smart enough or lucky enough to get out & go back where they belong, but if they are not, I hope the Sunflower crop is fantastic in the Ukraine...

https://www.teahub.io/photos/full/145-1451627_sunset-wallpapers-for-phone.jpg  

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I don't always agree with you. In this matter I am astonished there's any argument at all. Every word you have written is correct and obvious.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:38:23 PM EDT
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The latest from the Russians: Day 4 of the Russian offensive in the Ukraine

The big story today is the gradual closing of the operational cauldron in the East:
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 2:41:18 PM EDT
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How did we get here?

Despite assurances to the contrary, NATO is not a ‘defensive organization’. Even though American memories are short, people elsewhere remember the bombing campaign against Serbia, and the removal of Gaddafi from power in Libya. What NATO is in fact is the military arm of US hegemony, a hegemony that has seen it expand eastwards through Europe, right up to Russia’s very own borders.

“Don’t individual states reserve the right to enter into alliances with those they see fit, Niccolo?” Of course they do. But not all countries are islands, and most countries have neighbours. And not all neighbouring states are created equal, and they have their own national security concerns and interests. This is the case with Russia.

Russia has been invaded several times from the west since Napoleon first crossed the border to enter Imperial Russian soil in 1812. Every time since, western powers have been forced out, but have left behind devastation in their wake. This explains why Russia has sought buffers to its west ever since, with the largest buffer being its puppet regimes in eastern and central Europe during the Cold War.

NATO, originally set up to counter the USSR’s expansion into Europe, was left without a raison d’etre after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR. Nevertheless, it pressed on eastwards, and thanks to the CIA and MI6, effected Colour Revolutions to put into power friendly regimes that sought NATO membership in places like Tbilisi and Kiev. Where Colour Revolutions weren’t necessary due to historical grievances against Russia, NATO missile systems pointed at Russia have been set up (Romania and Poland).

For Russia, the nightmare scenario of dismemberment from the west is now tangible. You may disagree with their perspective, but what is important is HOW they view the situation. If you can’t understand their views, it is therefore impossible to talk to them, unless you are only willing to lecture to them or threaten them.

And lectures on democracy and threats to their economy and existence are all that have come out of the west towards Russia recently.

Ukraine’s Geostrategic Importance

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, wrote in his vital work “The Grand Chessboard” that without Ukraine, Russia goes from a Eurasian power to simply Asian, i.e. a world power demoted to that of a regional one. Since Boris Yeltsin left power, US foreign policy goals sought to detach Ukraine from Russia’s sphere of influence. Why?

Not just for the reason Brzezinski illustrated, but because of a concept known as ‘nuclear primacy’. Nuclear primacy is the condition in which a nuclear power can defeat another nuclear power by eliminating its nuclear weapons before they can be launched against them. The reason why NATO ABM sites have been built in Poland and Romania is to push their reach closer to Russia’s European borders, the part where most Russian citizens live. This already increases the threat to Russia immensely, and has informed their military tech research and manufacturing to focus on anti-missile defence and away from conventional threats.

By capturing Ukraine and incorporating it into NATO, Ukraine could then potentially serve as a much, much closer missile launching site for NATO missiles pointed at Russia. The Ukrainian border is less than 500km from Moscow, for example. Can you blame the Russians for freaking out? I certainly can’t.

For Russia, Ukraine is an existential matter. For the USA, it is only an asset that can be easily sacrificed for the greater objective of surrounding and neutralizing Russia so as to achieve nuclear primacy and ensure is own hegemony.
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Link Posted: 2/28/2022 3:41:43 PM EDT
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For anyone still needing a guide to the ongoing propaganda:

Historian Anne Morelli has summarized Arthur Ponsonby's classic book Falsehood in War-Time as this:

   -We do not want war.
   -The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
   -The enemy is inherently evil and resembles the devil.
   -We defend a noble cause, not our own interests.
   -The enemy commits atrocities on purpose; our mishaps are involuntary.
   -The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
   -We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
   -Recognized artists and intellectuals back our cause.
   -Our cause is sacred.
   -All who doubt our propaganda are traitors.
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/

Any of this sound familiar?
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 4:07:13 PM EDT
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Russians recently released this info:

Feb 27, 13:25
Surface hypersonic missile "Zirkon" can fire at a distance of up to 1,500 km
The commander of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" captain of the first rank Igor Krokhmal said that the appearance of a hypersonic missile is one of the secret parameters

MOSCOW, 27 February. /TASS/. The Zircon surface-based hypersonic missile has a flight range of up to 1,500 km. This was reported by the commander of the frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, captain of the first rank Igor Krokhmal, in a report for the Vesti Nedeli TV program on the Russia-1 channel.On this topic"Firing will be carried out at a distance of 1,000 to 1,500 km. If we take 1,000 km and divide by Mach 9, we get a flight time of 580-620 seconds," he said, anticipating the launch of the rocket.The report did not specify when the shooting took place. The announced launch of Zircon took place on February 19 during the exercises of the strategic deterrence forces.

As follows from the report, a naval target was hit at a distance of up to a thousand kilometers. The launch was carried out from the Barents Sea.
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https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13889279

They can hit anywhere in the Ukraine in 10 minutes, and with properly positioned sea and air launch platforms, anywhere in Europe.

It's really too bad that the US Military budget couldn't afford equivalent missiles or Thermobaric weapons the Russians have had for decades:


Apparently because US taxpayer money went missing or was wasted: ( Report: U.S. Army Fudged Trillions of Dollars in Accounting )

Link Posted: 2/28/2022 4:13:56 PM EDT
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@R_S the US hasn’t had such a missile because development of them was banned by treaty. The Russians ignored the treaty and we pulled out of it under Trump.

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Just ignore the dude, he's using Russian media to try to make a bullshit argument.

If the US could pay a soldier $500/mo we'd save a lot of money, but we don't, so let the ignorance assume that those defense budgets have anything to do with anything.
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A true Ukrainian he's not.
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Watching those images of a miles long russian convoy headed to Kiev.  Looks like prime fodder for an A10 run (or whatever the Ukraine mil has along those lines) - but nothing.  I thought the russians didn't have air superiority, but their convoys don't seem to be getting harassed in a significant fashion.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 4:31:07 PM EDT
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Pretty sure Vlad thought he'd have control of the country by now.
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The INF agreement prohibited the U.S. and the Soviet Union from developing “tactical” missiles with a range of between 310 and 3,400 miles...Both Russia and China are increasingly focused on hypersonic weapons, which can travel at five times the speed of sound and which U.S. military officials warn are capable of evading most modern missile defense systems.


INF missile treaty demise, hypersonic technology increase sparks arms race fears

Yeah Russia was cheating and China was never part of the agreement... and Trump had good reason to pull out...

But sorry you got conned... "The treaty did not apply to air- or sea-launched missiles"

Treaty
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I can understand OPs post, How the heck does Russian armor get to the door step of Kiev in just 1.5 days?! That blew my mind.

That didn't age well, I am kind of thinking that Russia is getting beaten with a rod.

The only thing that makes me think otherwise is the fact that Russia has posted no propaganda about winning. I thought they would be showing dead Ukrainian soldiers all over the place, burned up vehicles and carnage they left behind. Their Army groups in the North and South seemed to have mauled any opposition, but the eastern group has stalled. Wouldn't Russia try to show that they are dominating the fight? There has been almost ZERO propaganda that I have seen that shows any type of Russian success.

Key tactical victories thus far for Russia:
1. Getting to Kiev in 1.5 days, that was insane.
2. Securing water for Crimea, everyone knew this was going to be top target, Ukraine unable to slow or stop this. Took them less then 2 days.
3. They are about to secure the land bridge from Crimea to separatist region, land area roughly 200 miles long, in about what, 5 days?

These are fast and major tactical objectives the Russians wanted to achieve, taking Kiev may take weeks, but Russians are stalling in the east. From the anti-Russian propaganda that I have seen, it looks like they are getting curb stomped! I don't know what to believe. I just pray it does not go Nuclear.
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Driving from the Belarus border to Kyiv is about 60 miles. Even a tank can get there in less than a day. No need to even refuel. Having to run the gauntlet of anti-tank fire could take a heck of a lot longer.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 5:02:13 PM EDT
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Beyond American borders, this is also a MAJOR matter of national security:

How the Pentagon Cooks the Books to Hide Massive Waste

Linda Woodford spent the last 15 years of her career inserting phony numbers in the U.S. Department of Defense's accounts....

At the DFAS offices that handle accounting for the Army, Navy, Air Force and other defense agencies, fudging the accounts with false entries is standard operating procedure, Reuters has found...A review of multiple reports from oversight agencies in recent years shows that the Pentagon also has systematically ignored warnings about its accounting practices. "These types of adjustments, made without supporting documentation … can mask much larger problems in the original accounting data," the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said in a December 2011 report.

Plugs also are symptomatic of one very large problem: the Pentagon's chronic failure to keep track of its money - how much it has, how much it pays out and how much is wasted or stolen.
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The Defense Department's 2012 budget totaled $565.8 billion, more than the annual defense budgets of the 10 next largest military spenders combined, including Russia and China. How much of that money is spent as intended is impossible to determine.
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Events like Ukraine keep the public from demanding answers to the REAL questions... like where is all their tax money going???
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 5:21:33 PM EDT
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Russians recently released this info:



https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13889279

They can hit anywhere in the Ukraine in 10 minutes, and with properly positioned sea and air launch platforms, anywhere in Europe.

It's really too bad that the US Military budget couldn't afford equivalent missiles or Thermobaric weapons the Russians have had for decades:
https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/wolrd_military_spending_barchart.png

Apparently because US taxpayer money went missing or was wasted: ( Report: U.S. Army Fudged Trillions of Dollars in Accounting )

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Russians recently released this info:

Feb 27, 13:25
Surface hypersonic missile "Zirkon" can fire at a distance of up to 1,500 km
The commander of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" captain of the first rank Igor Krokhmal said that the appearance of a hypersonic missile is one of the secret parameters

MOSCOW, 27 February. /TASS/. The Zircon surface-based hypersonic missile has a flight range of up to 1,500 km. This was reported by the commander of the frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, captain of the first rank Igor Krokhmal, in a report for the Vesti Nedeli TV program on the Russia-1 channel.On this topic"Firing will be carried out at a distance of 1,000 to 1,500 km. If we take 1,000 km and divide by Mach 9, we get a flight time of 580-620 seconds," he said, anticipating the launch of the rocket.The report did not specify when the shooting took place. The announced launch of Zircon took place on February 19 during the exercises of the strategic deterrence forces.

As follows from the report, a naval target was hit at a distance of up to a thousand kilometers. The launch was carried out from the Barents Sea.


https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13889279

They can hit anywhere in the Ukraine in 10 minutes, and with properly positioned sea and air launch platforms, anywhere in Europe.

It's really too bad that the US Military budget couldn't afford equivalent missiles or Thermobaric weapons the Russians have had for decades:
https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/wolrd_military_spending_barchart.png

Apparently because US taxpayer money went missing or was wasted: ( Report: U.S. Army Fudged Trillions of Dollars in Accounting )



I’m glad you aren’t the slightest bit concerned about taking the shilling a step too far.   Keep it up.  You’re convincing lotsa people.  
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 5:41:26 PM EDT
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commies killing commies win win
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 5:56:24 PM EDT
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Hope that some in the Russian Military have better sense than Putin to call this off before it "Gets Out Of Hand"...

BIGGER_HAMMER

Link Posted: 2/28/2022 6:35:35 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2022 7:29:34 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2022 7:36:01 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:01:37 AM EDT
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Biden and Austin said they had 72 hours. Other military geniuses like Jim Cramer predicted 2 hours. Putin thought Kiev would fall on the first day after Zelensky ran and resistance collapsed.

  Ukrainians aren’t just putting up a hell of a fight you’re seeing things like Russians liberating a town from the Nazis,shooting into the air to disperse the Nazi protestors and then having to watch people put the Ukrainian flag back up.

 Putin wanted to destroy Ukrainian identity and instead has hardened it for generation upon generations. These people will be legends and it won’t be in books,they’ll be able to see how grandpa and grandma resisted

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Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:14:21 AM EDT
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I have yet to see any photos of equipment and troops living or dead away from roads.
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Again not based on reality. There are very few areas that Russians can use highways.

I have yet to see any photos of equipment and troops living or dead away from roads.



There are plenty of video and first hand accounts, of which I have, that say russians are having a very difficult time keeping fuel trucks alive.
Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:21:28 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:23:43 AM EDT
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You are relentlessly posting Russian propaganda

It’s getting ridiculous.

The website you posted is a Russian Nationalist website.

The tagline of your little website is “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia”. And it’s not just any old empire – it’s the Anglo-Zionist Empire. YOUR site breaks it down in detail:

The US Empire is run by a 1% (or less) elite which can be called the “deep state” which is composed of two main groups: Anglos and Jews. These two groups are in many ways hostile to each other (just like the SS and SA or Trotskysts and Stalinists), but they share 1) a racist outlook on the rest of mankind 2) a messianic ideology 3) a phenomenal propensity for violence 4) an obsession with money and greed and its power to corrupt. So they work together almost all the time.


Russian Stooge or a Useful Idiot?

One or the other.

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You are relentlessly posting Russian propaganda

It’s getting ridiculous.

The website you posted is a Russian Nationalist website.

The tagline of your little website is “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia”. And it’s not just any old empire – it’s the Anglo-Zionist Empire. YOUR site breaks it down in detail:

The US Empire is run by a 1% (or less) elite which can be called the “deep state” which is composed of two main groups: Anglos and Jews. These two groups are in many ways hostile to each other (just like the SS and SA or Trotskysts and Stalinists), but they share 1) a racist outlook on the rest of mankind 2) a messianic ideology 3) a phenomenal propensity for violence 4) an obsession with money and greed and its power to corrupt. So they work together almost all the time.


Russian Stooge or a Useful Idiot?

One or the other.



#Nailedit
#Cyka_Blyat

Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:25:19 AM EDT
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How the fuck are we even letting this pure Russia propaganda on this site.
Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:40:41 AM EDT
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How the fuck are we even letting this pure Russia propaganda on this site.
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So shut down speech is the Answer?The Democratic Party says the same thing about Republicans ''Why should we Listen to People who I Disagree with,SHUT THEM DOWN"..


Link Posted: 3/1/2022 9:58:39 AM EDT
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So shut down speech is the Answer?The Democratic Party says the same thing about Republicans ''Why should we Listen to People who I Disagree with,SHUT THEM DOWN"..


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There is a difference between having a difference of opinion and intentionally using false information to distort fact and manipulate thought.


The former is fine,the latter is bullshit.
Link Posted: 3/1/2022 10:07:09 AM EDT
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I salute Germany for starting to wake up to reality:  Germany Goes For Full Energy Policy Overhaul Amid Ukraine Crisis

Link Posted: 3/1/2022 10:08:33 AM EDT
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Bullshit.

A big percentage would flee while blaming the US for the invasion of the US.

You have this America confused with America when it had pride in itself and wanted to be a free country.
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Maybe in the liberal cities, here in BFE, things would get spicy.
Link Posted: 3/1/2022 10:09:31 AM EDT
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This is another RAND assessment that everyone needs to be familiar with: Assessing the Conventional Force Imbalance in Europe (2018)

KEY FINDINGS

? In the years after the Cold War, U.S. forces became lighter
while Russian forces experienced a severe overall decline.
Russia has reversed the decline of its military forces since
2008, and continues to expand and refine its capability for
high-intensity conventional warfare.

? Russia has retained a combined-arms force that emphasizes
mobility and firepower and trains to conduct larger-scale
operations, strengthening Russia’s ability to engage in
conflicts between mechanized forces close to its border.

? Improvements in Russia’s military forces over the last
decade have reduced the once-gaping qualitative and technological
gaps between Russia and NATO. These improvements
come while Russia is expanding its forces in the
West, maintaining more high-readiness forces, and gaining
valuable combat experience in Ukraine and Syria.

? The NATO members in the Baltic Sea region—Estonia, Latvia,
Lithuania, and Poland—collectively field much smaller ground
forces than those present in Russia’s Western Military District.

? In the event of a ground attack on a NATO member in the
Baltic region, Russia would have a substantial time-distance
advantage in the initial days and weeks of its ground campaign
because of its strong starting position and ability to
reinforce with ground and air units from elsewhere in Russia.
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