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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:40:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. Fuck Hornady and every other POS company that complies with this. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:41:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are they supposed to do? See 2 posts above you, milquetoast fence-sitter. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:41:21 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are they supposed to do? By what right, what standard are “they” imposing this mandate? Since when does a decreed “mandate” carry the rule of law? All people, from plebes to CEO’s have the right nay the duty to take a stand and fight this or flat out ignore it. What are they going to do? Fine everyone? Who is coming to collect and by what authority? I don’t know what sicktates me more, the morally corrupt people pushing this or the entire country that seems to willingly bend over and take it. I say nuts… |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:41:41 PM EDT
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So this was sent Oct. 11 and this is the first anyone has seen it outside Hornady?
No Hornady employees posted this notice on any forums anywhere 10 days prior to today? No firearms publications or internet sites have covered this? Color me skeptical, but to much fake stuff is posted without verification, and the pitchforks have already come out here I see 
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:42:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need proof this is legit and not a fake notice before I voice my opinion regarding Hornady. Facts have NO place in GD! |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:46:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I admire your naivety. Naive for putting myself into an untenable position for my principles, and looking down on others for not doing the same? Ok. Putting a target on my back and expecting to lose isn't naive. However, pretending that an American business doesn't have the same responsibilities as any other American turns my stomach. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:47:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Companies have the same responsibility to stand against tyranny as anyone else. Pretending they get a pass and don't need to have principles just because they sell people stuff is stupid and extremely dangerous. This is correct. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Facts have NO place in GD! I should know that by now, but its crazy the amount of Karen's are on this site and just believe shit without verifying it. Show me proof and I'll verify it and if its real then  , but post one bad, pixelated photo and you can  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well honestly what do you expect them to do? Yup. Its not the osha rule they're worried about. It's the executive order that mandates Gov contractors/vendors to be vaxxed. If his options are close down shop or mandate vax, I don't really see another option. That's assuming that he was faced with that decision though... I guess time will tell what his motivation is. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please listen to us and nobody else. So now Hornady is the arbiter of all true information? That letter is creepy. Fuckin' A right it is. Creepy af. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:51:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. Quit defending them just because your company is doing the same. Everyone including businesses have a choice. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:55:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Its not the osha rule they're worried about. It's the executive order that mandates Gov contractors/vendors to be vaxxed. If his options are close down shop or mandate vax, I don't really see another option. That's assuming that he was faced with that decision though... I guess time will tell what his motivation is. You don't see another option? From an ammo manufacturer? Really? They could just keep working, let the government try and use illegal force to shut them down. Heck, they could also just not renew any more government contracts. They can find someone else to buy their stuff easier than many other companies guaranteed. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:55:19 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As if I needed another reason to not buy match bullets that aren't even Sierra/Berger seconds quality. Or shell holders that don't fit. Or presses that break. Or dies that are crooked. Oh well. Yeah, I was about to buy some 6.5 and .375 projo’s. Shame too, I like my sst’s. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:57:08 PM EDT
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Hornady® Manufacturing
3625 West Old Potash Hwy Grand Island, NE 68803 USA Phone: 1-800-338-3220 Phone: 1-308-382-1390 Fax: 1-308-382-5761 Call Center Hours Monday – Thursday 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM Central Friday 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM Central |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:57:51 PM EDT
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I work for a somewhat left leaning company, which does federal contracts.
We had a lottery to encourage vaccination in the summer. We've pushed people to get them by bribing them, simply out of fear of crippling insurance costs if employees wind up in ICU. We will NOT mandate the vaccine unless forced by the OHSA rule, and we won't jump the gun before it sees a court challenge. We are ignoring the federal contractor issue. I suspect we won't look too hard at vaccine cards either. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:12:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:12:54 PM EDT
[#17]
I'm surprised they cite the proposed OSHA requirements and not the Executive Order for Federal Contractors. I can't imagine Hornady not doing business with the Federal Government or any Company that has Federal contracts.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are they supposed to do? Tell them to go get f***ed. Lose Federal contract (and 27 states) and if will be made up by consumer sales and loyalty from those customers. But I suspect the Dems will ban guns and ammo soon. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:31:36 PM EDT
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Weird how they have no mention of accommodations, like they don't intend to accept any. If I had a company over 100, I'd tell everyone to put in a religious exemption and I'd rubber stamp them all. But these companies are either not talking about it or they are denying them. They are helping enforce the tyranny.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:32:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Well, looks like I'll be dumping my carry gun and mags and switching to handloaded 380 auto.
This is like when I had to dump Kellogg and General Mills at the same time, only worse. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:33:17 PM EDT
[#21]
another company to add to my boycott spreadsheet
(Google docs is free!) |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are they supposed to do? Definitely not take a stand for what's right, if there's any personal cost. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:39:42 PM EDT
[#23]
The irony of an ammo manufacturer supporting .gov shot mandates is just about the cherry on this shit cake
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:39:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Create a holding company and then multiple independent LLCs for each business section required to stay under 100 employees? Stop providing to the fedgov like many stopped providing various state agencies with oppressive gun restrictions? Wait for the inevitable court challenges once a directive is released? I have over 100 employees. I've not even considered typing up a bullshit letter like that yet. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:44:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell them all to fill out a religious exemption form, just a basic sentence, then approve it. Case closed. Nah man That won’t work The guys making the ammo might get some covid cooties on the ammo When the ammo is used to shoot a bad guy, the bad guy might die of covid Think man!! |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:47:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I admire your naivety. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. Wrong. Companies have the same responsibility to stand against tyranny as anyone else. Pretending they get a pass and don't need to have principles just because they sell people stuff is stupid and extremely dangerous. I admire your naivety. He's not naive. You are. Hornady screwed the pooch on this one. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:47:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It most assuredly is the company's fault. There is no force of law behind the EO nor can an EO unilaterally modify an existing contract. It's bullshit, plain and simple and Hornady decided to bow down and kiss the ring of the communists. Fuck them. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:50:32 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any company that has government contracts will bend the knee. I don't understand why it's such a big shocker. We've seen it time and time again. Unless a company makes the majority of their revenue from civilian sales, expect them to mandate it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically any company that has over 100 employees and government contracts are going to have to do this. Any company that has government contracts will bend the knee. I don't understand why it's such a big shocker. We've seen it time and time again. Unless a company makes the majority of their revenue from civilian sales, expect them to mandate it. No, they won't. Government contracts cannot be unilaterally altered on a whim. It doesn't work that way. There are a lot of companies that have looked at whether they're likely to lose more revenue by bowing down and kissing the ring then telling Brandon to Let's Go. Southwest only gets 3% of their revenue from the .gov. They found out they could lose more than that in a weekend by doing something stupid. Stupid should hurt. What Hornady is doing is stupid. It should hurt. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:56:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And neither has the force of law. It's optional. All Hornady has to do is not negotiate that clause into their EXISTING contracts. The .gov cannot mandate a contract mod, it doesn't work that way. In the case of the EO, "force of law" is irrelevant. It becomes a case of follow the FAR clause or lose the contract. And yes, the govt can mandate a contract mod in the sense they can issue a mod and you either agree, negotiate an agreement or they cancel the contract. If you are on a contract that is task order based they can refuse to issue further task orders until you show compliance. Pitch a bitch and they will be more than happy to turn away and give the work to the other guy. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:10:19 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well honestly what do you expect them to do? This! At the very minimum wait for OSHA to actually make a move, not fold like a fucking coward to the mere mention of a mandate. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:22:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Hornady hasn't been on my list of preferred loading components for almost 20 years. I took the leap and gave them the benefit of the doubt to buy a hundred 285-grain .338 caliber bullets for my Lapua Magnum.
This is the straw -- that's it. Hornady makes only a few things I can't comfortably load without (stuff invented by someone else that they've bought out). |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:25:38 PM EDT
[#32]
Don't get the shot, and wreck the company from without, or get the shot, and wreck the company from within. Angry employees still working for them are worse than discharged employees.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:26:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What a disingenuous letter. A letter of surrender.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:38:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dear Steve, Go Fuck Yourself Yours Truly, Your former customers |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:41:35 PM EDT
[#35]
Fuck hornady. Spineless cocksuckers
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:42:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Well... Sierra bullets here I come
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:52:28 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah and if he was set up for ecommerce he probably wouldn't give two shits, but that would require an infrastructure he doesn't have. He's set up for shipping large quantities to a few distributors because that has been more profitable (it's always cheaper to specialize), so he has the to do the calculus of lose money now or lose money later. I'm not defending him, but ever since the big boys capitulated to Biden, every mid-size company that sells to businesses in their supply chain or to FedGov (which is almost every company) is between a rock and a hard place. I don't think he's going to lose many customers -- there continues to be huge demand for ammo, and believe it or not the quality and price of the ammo is the biggest factor people use to decide what ammo to buy. But for him and every other company out there, the biggest problem is employee attrition, the average person who works at Hornady will quit over this, I'd bet. He's not an idiot and he's made a decision. It's just a shitty situation all around promulgated by this administration. Yeah I'm gonna call BS on that one...  If you cant handle the ecommerce yourself you pick up the phone and call Pete, Larry, and Jamin and say "hey I've got some extra ammo to move that the gubbermint no longer requires because of covid... what can ya do for me?" Problem solved. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:55:02 PM EDT
[#38]
Dibs on Hornady ammo.
If looking at your stash is giving you heartburn, send to me! I'll make sure it comes to a violent end on a metal gong. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:59:08 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I totally agree with the part in red. I have been hoping that companies would band together in some sort of large scale class action suit or protest. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be happening. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guys, this is happening EVERYWHERE. If a company relies on .gov contracts to survive, this is the situation they are in. It isn't the company's fault. I guarantee you that they don't want this. You have every right to be pissed off, but direct your anger properly. Be livid at this administration for putting the company in this position. Don't be mad at the company. The way I see it, these companies have two choices: 1) Give the middle finger to the feds and say no we're not doing that. Enough companies do this, and the federal government will either blink or starve. 2) Comply, then collapse when half their employees quit. Still starves the government, but now the company no longer exists and 100% of its staff becomes unemployed. I totally agree with the part in red. I have been hoping that companies would band together in some sort of large scale class action suit or protest. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be happening. It’s going to take them losing enough of their skilled trained work force that they see they can’t survive and then they might grow a spine, or fold. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:59:49 PM EDT
[#40]
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:05:06 PM EDT
[#41]
Am I in before someone who would go to a chiropractor calls this a medical experiment or gene manipulation?
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:06:25 PM EDT
[#42]
If you're wondering if they will sell ammo to .gov to kill innocent Americans, here's your clue.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:07:18 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well fuck hornady,more proof the gun companies can give two shits about those that support them This. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:08:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no mandate. It's just a press release. No rule has been promulgated, and there is nothing to enforce. Fuck Hornady for this. Assholes. And this. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:08:55 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryEveryone on this board would have complied. We just have the luxury of Monday morning quarterbacking it. You too would have been a Nazi in WWII. Jordan Peterson did an amazing speech on this too. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:10:14 PM EDT
[#46]
I love that the letter says not to listen to vaccine advice from anyone but the company, then, literally in bold letters starting with the very next sentence, goes on to give invalid information about when the shots must be taken. The Pfizer shot requires three weeks between doses and Moderna four. So to meet a December 8th deadline, the deadline for the first Moderna shot would be October 27 and Pfizer November 3. The November 10th date he gives would be too late for both shots.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:10:30 PM EDT
[#47]
How is this not fascism or socialism? All of these companies following the mandates only prove that the government owns them and there is considerably too much reliance on the government money.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:11:28 PM EDT
[#48]
I am confuse. What does EDC stand for. I thought Hornady was encouraging employee to carry or deny them the right to carry.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:13:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I in before someone who would go to a chiropractor calls this a medical experiment or gene manipulation? Well it is a fucking medical experiment. Gene manipulation not so much. But it very much the fuck is an experiment and if you don’t see it as such you are either a brain dead moron or a liberal troll. Nice avatar theft by the way. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:15:05 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone on this board would have complied. We just have the luxury of Monday morning quarterbacking it. You too would have been a Nazi in WWII. Jordan Peterson did an amazing speech on this too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone on this board would have complied. We just have the luxury of Monday morning quarterbacking it. You too would have been a Nazi in WWII. Jordan Peterson did an amazing speech on this too. Some people have moral conviction, sorry you lack it. May your chains rest heavy as fucking hell. |
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