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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:19:23 PM EDT
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A poster over at illinoiscarry said they called the governors office today and the response from the person they spoke with was that the governor had not yet decided on his position on the bill. I could see him not wanting to signal too much in advance, but I hope this doesnt get traded for something else he wants done. 
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:22:32 PM EDT
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I ask the Rock River rep at the NRA show about it . He claimed ignorance.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:29:02 PM EDT
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Still waiting for the official stance and clarification from RRA & SA. Guess a really good bullshit cover story takes some time to work up.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:29:40 PM EDT
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Their silence... it's deafening...
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:38:38 PM EDT
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I ask the Rock River rep at the NRA show about it . He claimed ignorance. 
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:45:09 PM EDT
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TFB says...firearms, not politics (paraphrased)
(in the comments) P.S Please consider supporting them on Patreon.  
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Posted: 5/1/2017 4:48:42 PM EDT
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TFB says...firearms, not politics (paraphrased) (in the comments) P.S Please consider supporting them on Patreon. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:06:20 PM EDT
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Great picture from TFB's article (SPONSORED BY GRIP-ZONE /not serious) on the XD-e pls photoshop. thnx
ETA: I'm joking about the article being sponsored. "Defend your Treason" "Defend your Quisling" "Defend your Derp" |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:07:24 PM EDT
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Well I was gonna buy a Springfield 1911 here in the future. Looks like I'll buy a SIG.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:12:15 PM EDT
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Well I was gonna buy a Springfield 1911 here in the future. Looks like I'll buy a SIG. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:12:44 PM EDT
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A poster over at illinoiscarry said they called the governors office today and the response from the person they spoke with was that the governor had not yet decided his position on the bill. I could see him not wanting to signal too much in advance, but I hope this doesnt get traded for something else he wants done. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:20:11 PM EDT
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I'm buying a pistol in 2 weeks, and the EMP was on my short list. Not anymore. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:43:02 PM EDT
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I don't think Rauner has really done anything pro or anti 2nd. He's a wildcard but he payed lip service to gun owners during the election. I think at the end of the day he'd veto it. but who really knows? |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:44:22 PM EDT
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Timely AR15.com email giving away a SAINT |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:50:42 PM EDT
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Les Baer left Illinois for Iowa years ago ....
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:55:49 PM EDT
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So where's the Gofundme to raise money to buy the SA name and equipment when it's worth 10% of their current market cap?
I'm in for $20
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:56:52 PM EDT
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Love to see Armalite move here but not any Quislings
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:01:22 PM EDT
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- NVM
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:02:10 PM EDT
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The lack of response from NRA is disgusting specially during the NRAAM. I refused to renew my membership earlier this year because the amendments, boy I'm glad.
member since 2007. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:07:51 PM EDT
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I'd like to think he'd veto it based on his campaign of adding jobs and supporting 2A. He welcomed changes to our CCW but then again it took a federal ruling for the state to adopt CCW in the first place. @Swanhunter He'd know better than I. I'd like to know what Todd Vandermyde has to say about it as well. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:08:24 PM EDT
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This is what I don't understand. The news only broke a few days ago but the events leading up to this fiasco started weeks ago, long before anyone was attending the NRA meeting or before tornadoes and flooding hit the Canton area. If RRA is truly claiming ignorance then their first action should have been to fire that lobbyist and issue a press release stating that he acted without their knowledge or consent, which would have taken all of five minutes. 
One of the posters here in this thread , I think it was this thread, said he was at the NRA show and talked with some people at the RRA booth. The RRA people knew nothing about it. The poster her alluded to some shenanigans going on behind the scenes. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:08:43 PM EDT
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us. 
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. 
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:10:19 PM EDT
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I ask the Rock River rep at the NRA show about it . He claimed ignorance. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:10:35 PM EDT
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Holly Hell FSA makes sense now; You see the past was telling us Fuck Springfield before we even knew this would happen.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:12:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:15:07 PM EDT
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This needs to be blasted all over social media and the big wigs like MAC and Mrgunsngear need to get on it.... We are planning a live broadcast this week on Facebook to delve into the details. Meanwhile, you can see where I sit in the fray at: http://www.instagram.com/militaryarms. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:21:14 PM EDT
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It doesn't have to be only the NRA. Put pressure on Cabelas, Bass Pro, Academy...etc. they could all put a stop to their orders. This isn't an NRA thread, keep on point Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to put pressure on the NRA to stop supporting / running any ads from Springfield otherwise they're condoning this. That type of voting member? This isn't an NRA thread, keep on point Anyone enter the ARCOM drawing for the new Saint..... |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:22:00 PM EDT
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The end of day 4 and still nothing???
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:25:03 PM EDT
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Les Baer left Illinois for Iowa years ago .... |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:25:55 PM EDT
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The lack of response from NRA is disgusting specially during the NRAAM. I refused to renew my membership earlier this year because the amendments, boy I'm glad. member since 2007. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:29:20 PM EDT
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Looks like Rock River has released a statement:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf For immediate release: May 1, 2017 Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) wants to assure the Illinois (and national) firearms community that we are still 100 percent opposed to the Gun Dealer Licensing Act - SB1657, the house version of the same bill, and any potential final legislation that may come from those bills along with any other infringements on the gun rights of law-abiding citizens everywhere. For more than twenty years, Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory have actively opposed gun control legislation at the local, state, and federal levels. In 2009, we partnered with other manufacturers to form an organization geared towards representing our interests - The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). Historically, that organization has done well in representing us in Springfield, Illinois. We had no reason to believe that it was doing anything beyond representing the firearms community’s (Illinois firearms manufacturers, dealers and gun owners) best interests, keeping us well-informed on relevant legislation and issues, acting on our behalf. In the case of SB1657, there was a disconnect and that representation was misguided. While we do believe that IFMA acted in what it felt was the best interests of its members, we were as shocked as everyone else to find ourselves exempted from provisions of SB1657 and that IFMA was no longer opposing that bill, even though RRA still opposed it. Again, Rock River Arms wants to emphasize (regardless of anything that may have been said or done, mistakenly or otherwise, by any other party on our behalf) its continued total opposition to SB1657, the Illinois House version of the bill and any final legislation that may emerge. This includes any provisions found in Gun Dealer Licensing Act SB1657, along with any other threats that may infringe upon our gun rights. If you have any further questions or require more information about our position, please contact: Sarah Larson, General Manager or Steve Mayer, LE, Government, and International Sales Manager at 309-792-5780. Thank you. Chuck Larson President/Owner Rock River Arms, Inc. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:30:17 PM EDT
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Win Saint. Auction off. Give money to pro-2nd A group in IL. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:33:29 PM EDT
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I haven't seen this posted yet. RRA released a statement via their website
https://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf https://www.rockriverarms.com/ |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:34:14 PM EDT
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Looks like Rock River has released a statement: http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf ETA: They still don't address the month long "disconnect." |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:34:37 PM EDT
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Looks like Rock River has released a statement: http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:37:08 PM EDT
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To little to late. Notice they didn't fire the lobbyist. I don't believe them and it looks more like they are trying to use plausible deniability while retaining their exemption in the bill in case it does pass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like Rock River has released a statement: http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:38:18 PM EDT
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Didn't say they fired them so they still support the shit birds.
Boycotting both rra and sa |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:40:47 PM EDT
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GoatBoy to defend RRA in 3, 2, 1...
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:41:26 PM EDT
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GoatBoy to defend RRA in 3, 2, 1... |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:43:00 PM EDT
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To little to late. Notice they didn't fire the lobbyist. I don't believe them and it looks more like they are trying to use plausible deniability while retaining their exemption in the bill in case it does pass. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:45:14 PM EDT
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Continuing to support IFMA plus stand with Springfield Arms in doing so.
I guess that about says all anybody should ever need to hear... 
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:46:37 PM EDT
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I haven't seen this posted yet. RRA released a statement via their website https://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf https://www.rockriverarms.com/ |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:47:24 PM EDT
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I've got 2 complete RRA lowers. What uppers should I put on them? Sure as hell wont be RRA.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:47:38 PM EDT
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To little to late. Notice they didn't fire the lobbyist. I don't believe them and it looks more like they are trying to use plausible deniability while retaining their exemption in the bill in case it does pass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like Rock River has released a statement: http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/pdfs/RRA_Stmt17.pdf |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:55:32 PM EDT
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Continuing to support IFMA plus stand with Springfield Arms in doing so. I guess that about says all anybody should ever need to hear... |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:55:37 PM EDT
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Statement from SA
http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657 |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:55:38 PM EDT
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That's my take. Until the lobbiest gets canned I am not buying the we don't agree with this. Particularly in light of the fact that the deal was cut over a month ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To little to late. Notice they didn't fire the lobbyist. I don't believe them and it looks more like they are trying to use plausible deniability while retaining their exemption in the bill in case it does pass. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:56:00 PM EDT
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Lemme get this straight.
They come out with their vehement opposition statement after they secure themselves an exemption by dropping their opposition which allowed the legislation to move forward... Fuck them.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:56:13 PM EDT
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To hell with RRAs press release. Nothing but trying to CYA and contain the fallout. They should withdrawal from IFMA and/or fire the lobbyist.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Statement from SA http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657 Something fucking stinks and their stories aren't adding up. |
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