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Posted: 5/1/2017 6:57:57 PM EDT

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I've got 2 complete RRA lowers. What uppers should I put on them? Sure as hell wont be RRA.

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No clue I gave my only RRA lower away the other day to a buddy.

He was happy to get it I was happy for it to be gone.

I have 15 extra lowers, it won't be missed.

Posted: 5/1/2017 6:59:14 PM EDT

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Wow those coordinated press releases...

Reminds me of Zumbo's "I was tired, and I didnt mean it when I called you terrorists...can I have my job back, Please?"

Posted: 5/1/2017 6:59:16 PM EDT

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To hell with RRAs press release. Nothing but trying to CYA and contain the fallout. They should withdrawal from IFMA and/or fire the lobbyist.

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They would be sued if they fired the guy for doing what he was told to do.

Notice neither company has fired their lobbyist! I don't know about you guys but if I fucked up that bad I sure as fuck would be canned.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:00:46 PM EDT

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Statement from SA

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

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Posted: 5/1/2017 7:01:31 PM EDT

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No clue I gave my only RRA lower away the other day to a buddy.

He was happy to get it I was happy for it to be gone.

I have 15 extra lowers, it won't be missed.

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I've got 2 complete RRA lowers. What uppers should I put on them? Sure as hell wont be RRA.

No clue I gave my only RRA lower away the other day to a buddy.

He was happy to get it I was happy for it to be gone.

I have 15 extra lowers, it won't be missed.

That's not a nice thing to do to a friend.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:04:37 PM EDT

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To little to late. Notice they didn't fire the lobbyist. I don't believe them and it looks more like they are trying to use plausible deniability while retaining their exemption in the bill in case it does pass.

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You hit the nail on the head.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:05:05 PM EDT

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Statement from SA

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

They are saying they still don't know what happened?

"are looking into how this very unfortunate lapse in communication occurred"

What a bunch of crap.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:08:30 PM EDT

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To hell with SA also, coordinated press releases. Damage is done, enjoy losing business.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:10:42 PM EDT

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Statement from SA

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

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Didn't even come from the owner. Came from the PR Derpt...

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:15:11 PM EDT

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Hard to believe

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:16:19 PM EDT

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Didn't even come from the owner. Came from the PR Derpt...

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Statement from SA

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

Didn't even come from the owner. Came from the PR Derpt...

The statement came from:

Stefany Reese, PR & Communications Manager
Springfield Armory, Inc.
[email protected]
309-944-8994

Springfield Armory is a privately held company owned by The Reese Family.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:17:47 PM EDT

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The statement came from:

Stefany Reese, PR & Communications Manager
Springfield Armory, Inc.
[email protected]
309-944-8994

Springfield Armory is a privately held company owned by The Reese Family.

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Call and email them and let them know you don't believe their bullshit. I've fired off emails to both companies letting them know what I think of them and their backstabbing.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:17:53 PM EDT

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The statement came from:

Stefany Reese, PR & Communications Manager
Springfield Armory, Inc.
[email protected]
309-944-8994

Springfield Armory is a privately held company owned by The Reese Family.

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Statement from SA

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

Didn't even come from the owner. Came from the PR Derpt...

The statement came from:

Stefany Reese, PR & Communications Manager
Springfield Armory, Inc.
[email protected]
309-944-8994

Springfield Armory is a privately held company owned by The Reese Family.

And now you know.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:20:14 PM EDT

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My BS warning system is pinging so hard that there are scorch marks on the wiring insulation.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:20:18 PM EDT

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Someone needs to hire the cleaner.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:29:02 PM EDT

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Fuck them both.

Nobody is that inept nor do lobbyists work like that.
Especially on bills directly related to clients business.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:30:27 PM EDT

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In this day and age, anyone in the gun industry just oughtta fucking know better. I don't even feel sorry for whats going to happen to them both.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:31:47 PM EDT

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like this

Dear Stefany

Your company's statement regarding SB-1657 would be better written like this:

We fucked up, Sorry.

Sincerely

Ower of SA firearms

ps. You guys are Done!

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Posted: 5/1/2017 7:37:48 PM EDT

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“At the time of my initial statement to the media, I was ill-informed of the ramifications of this bill and its detrimental effects to the Second Amendment, which I have personally fought to protect my entire life. I can tell you now, we at Springfield Armory are unequivocally 100 percent against this bill and will continue to work with the NRA and others to ensure that it is defeated,” said Dennis Reese, Chief Executive Officer, Springfield Armory.

OK, then why was the 'review' section of FB shut down on Saturday and statement released at 5:45 on Monday?

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:39:41 PM EDT

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Basically, "I didn't know it was a big deal".

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:43:22 PM EDT

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Fuck them both.

Nobody is that inept nor do lobbyists work like that.
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If they are that inept, do you want to go buy a gun from them?

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:44:19 PM EDT

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So to believe what they have said in their press releases the lobby went off the reservation and took a course of action never discussed with either SA or RRA.

That doesn't happen.

Ever.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:46:34 PM EDT

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Fuck them both.

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Agreed.

How many members can the IFMA possibly have? It's not like they're some monster lobbying organization where shit gets lost in the weeds.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:49:08 PM EDT

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Not buying it, literally and figuratively

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:58:02 PM EDT

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So to believe what they have said in their press releases the lobby went off the reservation and took a course of action never discussed with either SA or RRA.

That doesn't happen.

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This. Right. Here.

Posted: 5/1/2017 7:58:07 PM EDT

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I don't think that even Mr. Kaplan could clean this up.

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:00:27 PM EDT

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I don't think that even Mr. Kaplan could clean this up.

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Gabe Kaplan?
Mr. Kottahhhh...

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:05:53 PM EDT

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So to believe what they have said in their press releases the lobby went off the reservation and took a course of action never discussed with either SA or RRA.

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...and yet neither company has called out the lobbyist or said anything other than wishy washy non-commital PC bullshit.

If I was working with a company or organization that went rogue and totally fucked the foundation on which my business was built you can damn well bet I would be denouncing that in the strongest possible terms, terminating my relationship with that orginazation, and calling for the resignation of the person(s) responsible.

Ill-informed.....Bull Fucking Shit.
You let IMFA carve out your little piece of the pie while selling out the rights and liberties of your customer base.
I own several Springfield firearms but I can assure you I will NEVER buy another SA product.
I will additionally consider it my duty to ensure that every potential firearm buyer is informed and aware that Springfield Armory is more than happy to sell them down the road to the most corrupt politicians in this country, for their own betterment.
Tom Reece and the Larsons of RRA as the heads of the two companies that essentially fund the IMFA were in no way "blindsided" or caught unaware. I guarantee they knew full well what was happening and decided to take the gamble, hoping that nobody would notice. Sorry boys, you got caught and if there is any justice the firearms owners of this country will break it off in your collective asses and make both of your companies a pariah the firearms world.

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:15:05 PM EDT

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Didn't even come from the owner. Came from the PR Derpt...

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Fire the people responsible. Retract support for the bill. Be public with it.

It looks like they're hedging their bets at this point.

Further...all of you guys better watch out. Pointing out perceived misdeeds (notice I said "perceived") of site sponsors (past/present/future) is a good way to get banned.
Better watch yourselves. Seriously.

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:32:06 PM EDT

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Stefany Reese, PR & Communications Manager
Springfield Armory, Inc.
[email protected]
309-944-8994

Springfield Armory is a privately held company owned by The Reese Family.

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Statement from SA

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/springfield-armory-statement-regarding-gun-dealer-licensing-act-sb1657

Didn't even come from the owner. Came from the PR Derpt...

The statement came from:

Stefany Reese, PR & Communications Manager
Springfield Armory, Inc.
[email protected]
309-944-8994

Springfield Armory is a privately held company owned by The Reese Family.

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/how-i-defend-my-legacy-stefany-reese-0

Lives in Southern California. Never fired an AR before.

Stefany Reese’s appreciation for firearms has increased over the years, but living in southern California makes accessing a wide variety of firearms considerably difficult. Though, that doesn’t stop her from enjoying shooting. She frequently hits the range in her local area, and over the Thanksgiving holiday this year, enjoyed shooting on the family farm back in Illinois with family and longtime friends

While Stefany had only fired an AR once prior to her introduction to the SAINT

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:33:25 PM EDT

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She has some weird eyes... looks like ones looking slightly off center

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:47:24 PM EDT

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Ya gotta give 'em credit tho. It takes balls to unload a pile of horse shit like this and expect your customers to believe you. This bill was introduced in 02/2015 and these two were the two biggest financial supporters of IFMA while they negotiated this sell out for the both of them, for the financial gain of both of them, and they say they never knew about it? Maybe they should run for office with that kind of nerve. LOL. Consulting firms are more then happy to take the heat as long as you keep signing the checks.

For immediate release: May 1, 2017
Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) wants to assure the Illinois (and national) firearms community that we are
still 100 percent opposed to the Gun Dealer Licensing Act - SB1657, the house version of the same bill,
and any potential final legislation that may come from those bills along with any other infringements on
the gun rights of law-abiding citizens everywhere.
For more than twenty years, Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory have actively opposed gun control
legislation at the local, state, and federal levels. In 2009, we partnered with other manufacturers to form
an organization geared towards representing our interests - The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers
Association (IFMA). Historically, that organization has done well in representing us in Springfield, Illinois.
We had no reason to believe that it was doing anything beyond representing the firearms community’s
(Illinois firearms manufacturers, dealers and gun owners) best interests, keeping us well-informed on
relevant legislation and issues, acting on our behalf. In the case of SB1657, there was a disconnect and
that representation was misguided.
While we do believe that IFMA acted in what it felt was the best interests of its members, we were as
shocked as everyone else to find ourselves exempted from provisions of SB1657 and that IFMA was no
longer opposing that bill, even though RRA still opposed it.
Again, Rock River Arms wants to emphasize (regardless of anything that may have been said or done,
mistakenly or otherwise, by any other party on our behalf) its continued total opposition to SB1657, the
Illinois House version of the bill and any final legislation that may emerge. This includes any provisions
found in Gun Dealer Licensing Act SB1657, along with any other threats that may infringe upon our gun
rights.
If you have any further questions or require more information about our position, please contact:
Sarah Larson, General Manager or Steve Mayer, LE, Government, and International Sales Manager
at 309-792-5780.
Thank you.
Chuck Larson
President/Owner
Rock River Arms, Inc.

Posted: 5/1/2017 8:48:07 PM EDT

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Posted: 5/1/2017 9:00:11 PM EDT

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See guys? They totally say it's not their fault. We have to believe them, and any criticism of the site sponsor will now be a CoC violation.

IBTL

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:01:13 PM EDT

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TFB says...firearms, not politics (paraphrased)

(in the comments)

P.S Please consider supporting them on Patreon.

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P.S Please consider supporting them on Patreon.

It's much worse than that. In the comment thread for the post about SA's custom shop Phil W. stated the following:

Phil W "Associate Editor TFB" TFB Moderator RSG • 10 hours ago
Drop the political garbage. I'm not embarrassed and Springfield did nothing wrong. Take the tme to investigate that whole situation in IL.

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:01:22 PM EDT

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RRA President's statement refers to the "House version of the same bill".
It seems the owner doesn't even know what the bill number in the House is.

It is HB2541

http://ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=2541&GAID=14&SessionID=91&LegID=103735

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:12:43 PM EDT

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Yeah, I fear you are correct.

These temporally related and likely coordinated statements of ignorance are as plausible as Hillary's statements on the server. She went from lecturing state department staff on cybersecurity in 2010 to talking about wiping servers with a cloth.

The lobbyist offered this over a month ago. This was not a last minute surprise move.

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:20:57 PM EDT

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I've got 2 complete RRA lowers. What uppers should I put on them? Sure as hell wont be RRA.

No clue I gave my only RRA lower away the other day to a buddy.

He was happy to get it I was happy for it to be gone.

I have 15 extra lowers, it won't be missed.

That's not a nice thing to do to a friend.

He doesn't care, he was just happy to have a start on a new AR. RRA already got their money before the became traitors
so no biggie.

Its sad as my first 1911 was made by Springfield Armory, was thinking about getting one of their 1911 as well.

Not making a big fuss, they made the call and I will vote with my money.

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:22:18 PM EDT

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Bullshit

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:24:38 PM EDT

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He doesn't care, he was just happy to have a start on a new AR. RRA already got their money before the became traitors
so no biggie.

Its sad as my first 1911 was made by Springfield Armory, was thinking about getting one of their 1911 as well.

Not making a big fuss, they made the call and I will vote with my money.

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Both of these companies were my firsts. RRA was my first AR and SA was my first 1911. My wife loved the 1911 too. Now I feel betrayed because I can never own another SA.

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:25:40 PM EDT

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FRRA FSA......not another penny ever!!!

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:29:37 PM EDT

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Their bullshit is on their Facebook now. Hit it.

Let your voice be heard.

Posted: 5/1/2017 9:31:08 PM EDT

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RRA, Springfield, I might have believed you if you'd burnt the IFMA to the fucking ground last month. Hell, I'd consider a little forgiveness if either company had nuked IFMA today, but we don't even get that.

I've bought my last RRA and will not buy a SA.