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In this case they only screwed the FFL's, distributors, residents, and other manufacturers in the state of IL. They did that to maintain their ability to sell unhindered to everyone else in every other state. Quoted:
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Pardon my lack of reading comprehension but I don't understand what is in it for RRA or Springfield Armory. As I understand it, they are exempt from the new state law that requires state licensing to sell firearms and limits the number of sales per month. But RRA and Springfield Armory sell through these same distributors/FFL's that they reportedly screwed. By supporting the law, they have limited their sales. It seems the "exemption" is irrelevant unless you can go to the factory and buy directly from these manufacturers. What am I missing? |
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It is also very concerning to me how carefully the Illinois State Rifle Association is tiptoeing around in their Urgent Action Alerts to not mention or otherwise name Springfield, Rock River, or the IFMA... They seem to only be trying to refocus negative attention back to Senator Harmon, and not the parties whose opposition changed tack to give the votes needed to proceed in the senate. Quoted:
It is also very concerning to me how carefully the Illinois State Rifle Association is tiptoeing around in their Urgent Action Alerts to not mention or otherwise name Springfield, Rock River, or the IFMA... They seem to only be trying to refocus negative attention back to Senator Harmon, and not the parties whose opposition changed tack to give the votes needed to proceed in the senate. Quoted:
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Springfield Armory 800 680-6866 or 309 944-5631 Rock River 866 980-7625 or 309 792-5780 Please call, even if you live in a free State, and let them know you on object to their shenanigans. |
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It is also very concerning to me how carefully the Illinois State Rifle Association is tiptoeing around in their Urgent Action Alerts to not mention or otherwise name Springfield, Rock River, or the IFMA... They seem to only be trying to refocus negative attention back to Senator Harmon, and not the parties whose opposition changed tack to give the votes needed to proceed in the senate. |
| I called SA customer service this morning. I did give them a piece of my mind. I encourage you to do this also. I know we are all seeing red over this but remember that the person answering the phone did not make the decision to do this nefarious deed. So be kind to him/her when you call. |
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Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. |
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us.
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. |
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us.
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. 
Just saw a FB vid of some good Samaritans saving some small children drowning in an overturned truck from the tornado.. My heart goes out to the people in Canton |
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us.
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. Quoted:
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Timely AR15.com email giving away a SAINT
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. |
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What do you hear in Illinois on whether this will ultimately pass or not? |
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us.
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. 
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Doubtful it passes. Our Governor is a Republican but he's never really been tested on the 2nd amendment. He gives lip service but he's never really done anything either way. I don't think it will pass the house let alone get signed by Rauner. IFMA, Kellar , SA, and RRA must be genuinely stupid, or they did it to curry favor in the future. |
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Timely AR15.com email giving away a SAINT
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. |
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I wouldn't be surprised if RRA put their lobbyist on "autopilot" and ended up supporting something they didn't like...I could see that, especially from a company that isn't really engaged in social media. If they come out swinging against their lobbyist and the deal in the House, I'll take them at their word, though it's really REALLY dumb to let people speak for you without a very short leash or a lot of trust. Quoted:
I wouldn't be surprised if RRA put their lobbyist on "autopilot" and ended up supporting something they didn't like...I could see that, especially from a company that isn't really engaged in social media. If they come out swinging against their lobbyist and the deal in the House, I'll take them at their word, though it's really REALLY dumb to let people speak for you without a very short leash or a lot of trust. At this point I am fairly convinced that Springfield got what they paid for, and I won't shed a tear for how little return they get from their 30 pieces of silver. Quoted:
My question to RRA is how do you not keep tabs on your lobbyist for two months? This backroom deal was made in March. |
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Quoted:The current debacle happened in March. This is what I don't understand. The news only broke a few days ago but the events leading up to this fiasco started weeks ago, long before anyone was attending the NRA meeting or before tornadoes and flooding hit the Canton area. If RRA is truly claiming ignorance then their first action should have been to fire that lobbyist and issue a press release stating that he acted without their knowledge or consent, which would have taken all of five minutes. |
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Which is why I don't understand why they did it. They removed their opposition in exchange for an exemption on a bill which was unlikely to pass, thus not subjecting them to the needed exemption in the first place. IFMA, Kellar , SA, and RRA must be genuinely stupid, or they did it to curry favor in the future. 
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They may have wrongly assumed they were on the same page of protecting gun owners and dealers 100%. It happens with accountants who screw companies out of money. Maybe they didn't understand the deal or were left in the dark. |
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What do you hear in Illinois on whether this will ultimately pass or not? ETA: Also wanted to send positive waves per Goatboy's comments about dealing with the after effects of recent weather. If there is anything we can do to help from afar, please let us know. My local area was spared heavy storms for the most part, but to the north and south they got hammered, but hard. |
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Doubtful it passes. Our Governor is a Republican but he's never really been tested on the 2nd amendment. He gives lip service but he's never really done anything either way. I don't think it will pass the house let alone get signed by Rauner. |
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I'm hearing both ways, that it won't pass the house, and also that it will end up on Rauner's desk. There are some members in the IL hometown forum with much better info than I who are lobbyists in Springfield. I am keeping fingers crossed, but it is still Illinois... ETA: Also wanted to send positive waves per Goatboy's comments about dealing with the after effects of recent weather. If there is anything we can do to help from afar, please let us know. My local area was spared heavy storms for the most part, but to the north and south they got hammered, but hard. Quoted:
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What do you hear in Illinois on whether this will ultimately pass or not? ETA: Also wanted to send positive waves per Goatboy's comments about dealing with the after effects of recent weather. If there is anything we can do to help from afar, please let us know. My local area was spared heavy storms for the most part, but to the north and south they got hammered, but hard. Quoted:
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What do you hear in Illinois on whether this will ultimately pass or not? ISRA did send an email out calling RRA and SA "victims" of the original bill..... |
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Entire RRA website offline https://www.rockriverarms.com/ edit: back up. |
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Works for me, I've been checking it all day. Long time RRA customer, I have many of their rifles and/or lowers. Very disappointed with this and their lack of a timely response is stunning.
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Both companies are in damage control mode and praying we're stupid enough to believe their lies. They sold us out. Period. |
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Just sent them another Email. I wonder what their customer service email looks like today.
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I called Springfield this morning on an unrelated topic. I planned to comment on this fiasco, but the customer service girl was almost in tears looking up a rifle serial number for me.
I let it go and wished her a good day - she didn't make the policy change. CEO Dennis Reece probably doesn't give a shit about some minimum wage phone jockey, but he will care about falling sales. Hit them in the wallet. |
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us.
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. Quoted:
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Timely AR15.com email giving away a SAINT
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. I didn't mean to imply anything. I'm sure the giveaway was well in the works but it will be interesting to see how it plays out with these companies as it's kind of a big deal. And, not just on this site. Without something significant these companies will be hurt by this seemingly poor choice they have made. |
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Yes, the irony of that going out today was not lost on us.
Posting in this thread as opposed to the ones in the IP forums. At this time we do not have a defined position. While it's very easy to jump to conclusions, it is very possible for things to happen like this when companies are focused on a large event like SHOT and NRA. When the SAFE ACT was passed in NY, not only were firearm companies laser focused on the SHOT Show, but everyone else as well. When we found out, we were completely floored, so yes it's possible they did not know. (Or more possible that someone knew, but not the rest.) Politicians are the enemy here, so focus hate on them first. I know RRA is making a formal statement tomorrow and dealing with this as they return from the show. We will reach out to them afterwards and discuss the core of that conversation openly. After that, we will make a decision based on what we feel is right for the community. We will do the same with Springfield. Our Second Amendment rights are not up for negotiation and those who feel they can gain from sacrificing freedom are dead wrong. As many of you know, we had a large Tornado hit the Canton area this weekend and have been focused on helping locally. That will continue today and while I realize that this issue is burning within many of you, we must give our neighbors and friends the help they need. 
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I called Springfield this morning on an unrelated topic. I planned to comment on this fiasco, but the customer service girl was almost in tears looking up a rifle serial number for me. I let it go and wished her a good day - she didn't make the policy change. CEO Dennis Reece probably doesn't give a shit about some minimum wage phone jockey, but he will care about falling sales. Hit them in the wallet. |
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I called SA customer service this morning. I did give them a piece of my mind. I encourage you to do this also. I know we are all seeing red over this but remember that the person answering the phone did not make the decision to do this nefarious deed. So be kind to him/her when you call. I'm just tired of the whole program. 33 years of shoveling the same lumps of shit in and out of jail and all they can come up with is new ways to criminalize honest citizens. Its so hard to get convictions in the first place, far harder then you know, and then they only make them do a partial amount of their time. IF any. |
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Doubtful it passes. Our Governor is a Republican but he's never really been tested on the 2nd amendment. He gives lip service but he's never really done anything either way. I don't think it will pass the house let alone get signed by Rauner. |