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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainian army is staging in schools and hospitals though, making them fair targets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My thought as well. Plausible deniability. Stop being a dick and firing cruise missiles into schools/hospitals. Ukrainian army is staging in schools and hospitals though, making them fair targets. Got one! |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t listen to Russia. That’s for sure. It was hit by two missiles with 330lb warheads, their magazine detonated, it was 6ft waves in a storm, and it was 1AM. Plenty died but the Russian mod said the “fully evacuated” the ship. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how many men? Any guesses?? Twitter says 500-510 in total on board. How many truly got off though is the question Don’t listen to Russia. That’s for sure. It was hit by two missiles with 330lb warheads, their magazine detonated, it was 6ft waves in a storm, and it was 1AM. Plenty died but the Russian mod said the “fully evacuated” the ship. Evacuated the ship and rescued into another ship are two different things. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:29:19 PM EDT
[#3]
Vlad gonna be pissed. Hw needs to fucking pack it in. His military has had their asses handed to them overall.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t listen to Russia. That’s for sure. It was hit by two missiles with 330lb warheads, their magazine detonated, it was 6ft waves in a storm, and it was 1AM. Plenty died but the Russian mod said the “fully evacuated” the ship. "We fully evacuated all |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:30:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This could be their Hood. I hope it’s their Belgrano. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:30:47 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted: … This was one of the primary ships firing all the Kaliber cruise missiles into Ukraine that had been killing lots of soldiers and civilians. … This particular ship does not carry any land-attack cruise missiles. It’s main weapons are the SS-N-12 anti-ship missile and S-300F anti-air missile. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:31:09 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, they did have another ship catch on fire a few weeks ago while docked. Maybe Russian ships catch fire as often as US Navy ships run into things  Well, in fairness the US Navy just did have one of the most powerful ships on Earth burn to a complete wreck at the pier. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scrolling down a bit on the twitter posted. Maybe a radio amateur could chime in? Dave (Not my real name) @AlbertSmeee · 41m Replying to @Trumenko This isnt a ship and isn't an SOS. Its radio amateurs in the 80m band calling for contacts. Half way through you clearly hear the CQ CQ DE broadcast. This is standard radio amateurs talking in a recognised band. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Scrolling down a bit on the twitter posted. Maybe a radio amateur could chime in? Dave (Not my real name) @AlbertSmeee · 41m Replying to @Trumenko This isnt a ship and isn't an SOS. Its radio amateurs in the 80m band calling for contacts. Half way through you clearly hear the CQ CQ DE broadcast. This is standard radio amateurs talking in a recognised band. Yes, there are amateurs calling CQ, but there were a couple times early in the recording that raised my eyebrows. Trouble is that the one controlling the receiver had his filter set narrow and was skipping around between a couple different signals with the attention span of a gnat. Didn't sit still long enough to make heads or tails out of any of it. Only got short spurts of each. Also, militaries are not (generally) subject to frequency restrictions of any kind in the HF spectrum. If a particular frequency that will work best in a given situation happens to fall on an amateur band, so be it. Especially "in extremis" like this situation. While it isn't likely the case here, don't necessarily rule it out because it is on a ham freq. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:33:25 PM EDT
[#9]
Sunk their battleship?
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:36:36 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is still awesome. It was built to very strict maritime standards. Like what? Well the front wasn't supposed to fall off. There are standards for construction materials as well. Like what? Well cardboard is out. And is paper, wood derivatives. No string obviously.  I may not have it all right, but I first saw that clip over 15 years ago and still find it hilarious. It was towed outside of the environment!  Aren't Russian standards only on paper? Using different steel allows them to skim the difference, right? |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This particular ship does not carry any land-attack cruise missiles. It’s main weapons are the SS-N-12 anti-ship missile and S-300F anti-air missile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: … This was one of the primary ships firing all the Kaliber cruise missiles into Ukraine that had been killing lots of soldiers and civilians. … This particular ship does not carry any land-attack cruise missiles. It’s main weapons are the SS-N-12 anti-ship missile and S-300F anti-air missile. I’m corrected. The Vulkan P1000 is a cruise missile and it can fire them. The sandbox and Vulkan can be sued to atta k land based targets. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:41:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m corrected. The Vulcan P1000 is a cruise missile and it can fire them. Just not the Kalibr. This was probably the command and control ship for the rest of the fleet, which is also probably why it was targeted. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:45:04 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they ok? Yes, fish food feels no pain. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:45:38 PM EDT
[#14]
Yea, fuck those guys. Im about 95% sure that was the ship that shadowed the NIMITZ when I was deployed on her back in 2013 and we got turned around on the way home over Obama’s “red line” in Syria… I missed my son’s birth over that bullshit (would have been back with a couple weeks to spare). That ship was within a couple thousand yards for several weeks and constantly playing maneuvering games to get between us and our escort ships.
I had a very good view of her outline from the hangar bay whenever I made it up that high during that period. Which admittedly wasn’t all that often since my work was below the waterline. -Mike |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:47:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This particular ship does not carry any land-attack cruise missiles. It's main weapons are the SS-N-12 anti-ship missile and S-300F anti-air missile. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:51:13 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell was it over there then? Because Russia. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:54:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell was it over there then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This particular ship does not carry any land-attack cruise missiles. It's main weapons are the SS-N-12 anti-ship missile and S-300F anti-air missile. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 10:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell was it over there then? Because we are at a point in this conflict that the Russians are throwing in everything including the proverbial kitchen sink. That... Was a pretty big kitchen sink. 
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:00:27 PM EDT
[#20]
That would be a horrible fucking way to die.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:02:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good thing but putin is gonna retaliate Maybe this is the Ukrainian retaliation for Russian baby raping? |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:03:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Warms my heart.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:03:57 PM EDT
[#23]
Darn shame they didn’t launch the entire battery at the fleet ans then more when the rescue ships came to help
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:06:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell was it over there then? The other 2 that Russia has were moved from their normal operating areas into the Med in the weeks leading up to the invasion. They act as a counter to Western carriers and other naval forces, as well as providing anti-air coverage/coordination. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:07:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe this is the Ukrainian retaliation for Russian baby raping? Curious as to why so much blowback on my opinion? |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:10:23 PM EDT
[#26]
Somehow I get the feeling I am going to wake up to a whole new war
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:15:16 PM EDT
[#27]
Some settling will occur
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:17:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [Updated: Russian state media outlet RIA Novosti confirms an explosion aboard the Moskva resulting in "serious damage," but asserts that the cause was a shipboard fire and the detonation of ammunition, not a missile strike.] I'm not sure how an accident that causes the loss of a ship is better than enemy action. And maybe it was a shipboard fire and the detonation of ammunition that caused the damage... a shipboard fire and detonation that was set off by an exploding Ukrainian missile. Whatever... this is still a major loss for the Russians. Considering they basically lost a aircraft carrier in dry dock to fire in recent years it wouldn’t suprise me. I agree it’s funny as hell for them to basically state “no no the enemy didn’t sink us it was our incompetence and shitty manufacturing standards that did!” |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:18:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious as to why so much blowback on my opinion? Well, whether you implied it or not, it comes across as a pre-emotive excuse for the Russians. As though they are the ones reacting to Ukrainian attacks, rather that the Ukrainians reacting to marauding invaders. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:18:40 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe this is the Ukrainian retaliation for Russian baby raping? An escalation regardless… |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:18:54 PM EDT
[#31]
We found that Russian battleship been makin' such a fuss
We had to sink the Moskva 'cause the world depends on us We hit the deck a-runnin' and we spun those guns around We found the mighty Moskva and then we cut her down |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:19:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, whether you implied it or not, it comes across as a pre-emotive excuse for the Russians. As though they are the ones reacting to Ukrainian attacks, rather that the Ukrainians reacting to marauding invaders. Huh, keep my opinions more low key, thanks |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:23:34 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be a horrible fucking way to die. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:25:01 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An escalation regardless… No, it isn't. Attacking assets directly attacking your country isn't a fucking escalation. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:25:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:27:53 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This war is going to go down in history as the greatest war time blunder in the history of war time blunders. I don’t think the Russians have ever been great navy wise. Compared to their Russo Japanese war antics even their naval losses in this war make them look like Admial Horatio Nelson is leading them in comparison to 1904-1905. Drachinifel on YouTube has some hilarious videos on the subject if you get bored. But for example it was the last time a capital ship was captured like in the days of sail. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:28:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Putin is a pussy who has other people fight his wars for him. There will be no retaliation.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:30:16 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think the Russians have ever been great navy wise. Compared to their Russo Japanese war antics even their naval losses in this war make them look like Admial Horatio Nelson is leading them in comparison to 1904-1905. Drachinifel on YouTube has some hilarious videos on the subject if you get bored. But for example it was the last time a capital ship was captured like in the days of sail. Awhile ago I read a really detailed book about the Russian Baltic fleet sailing to Tsushima. The admiral in command had a bad habit. When he got mad he would throw his binoculars overboard. They stocked an extra 40 sets of binoculars aboard his ship. They were out of binoculars before they were out of sight of Europe. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:31:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We know exactly the time. Moskva started issuing SOS calls at 1:05AM More reports in that she has capsized. [tweet]https://twitter.com/jon96179496/status/1514393986781388805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/tweet]
That's some one sending CQ. "CQ DE.." Calling for a contact. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:32:30 PM EDT
[#40]
delete
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:32:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nyet, brave missile cruiser now submarine, fighting fish Nazis. Very long mission, might not be back for while.  
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:34:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious as to why so much blowback on my opinion? most here think Ukraine has a chance at actually winning the war. and that Russia has expended all options and will just pack up and leave. it's the strangest thing |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's some one sending CQ. "CQ DE.." Calling for a contact. Deleted post |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:41:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gosh I hope video turns up. A modern ship kill from cruise missiles is badass. I want to thoroughly appreciate this while it is happening to the enemy and not happening to our ships in some future war. Modern hi def footage of a magazine explosion would be awesome too. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:43:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "We fully evacuated all |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:53:26 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's some one sending CQ. "CQ DE.." Calling for a contact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We know exactly the time. Moskva started issuing SOS calls at 1:05AM More reports in that she has capsized. [tweet]https://twitter.com/jon96179496/status/1514393986781388805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/tweet]
That's some one sending CQ. "CQ DE.." Calling for a contact. I agree. I listened to it several times and while my CW is kinda rusty, I heard no SOS calls. I did hear the CQ CQ de towards the end but most everything before it was random letters from different transmitters. |
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:53:57 PM EDT
[#47]
Probably a Chinese Missile Misfire.
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Posted: 4/13/2022 11:59:52 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An escalation regardless… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe this is the Ukrainian retaliation for Russian baby raping? An escalation regardless… A missile cruiser is parked off of the coast of Ukraine, launching missile after missile at Ukrainian cities. The Ukrainians fire back at the missile cruiser that attacked their cities, and you call THAT an “escalation”? |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 12:01:49 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whoa. That may cause an escalation from Moscow (if they have anything left to escalate with). Off the top of my head the last capital warship lost in combat was probably the General Belgrano during the Falkland War. Belgrano (ex-Pheonix) was a cruiser. Cruisers are not "capital warships": this term is usually reserved for battleships, battlecruisers, and aircraft carriers. |
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Posted: 4/14/2022 12:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, whether you implied it or not, it comes across as a pre-emotive excuse for the Russians. As though they are the ones reacting to Ukrainian attacks, rather that the Ukrainians reacting to marauding invaders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Curious as to why so much blowback on my opinion? Well, whether you implied it or not, it comes across as a pre-emotive excuse for the Russians. As though they are the ones reacting to Ukrainian attacks, rather that the Ukrainians reacting to marauding invaders. The ship was a completely legitimate target, and reasonable action for Ukraine. But that said I also was concerned about the reaction from Russia when I saw this. I get his point. I'm not even saying they shouldn't have done it, but it might have consequences. That is all I think you can assume from his post. Then again if they are trying to play it off as an accidental fire and not an attack from missiles maybe they'll shrug it off to avoid the embarrassment of admitting what happened. |
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