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This is nothing more than revenue enhancement. They see the majority here are very political and political posts make up about 90% of the content in GD. This as a ploy to try and force more posters to give them $$$ for the privilege of posting during a time of crisis. Profiteering plain and simple. |
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Quoted: I don't have any "friends/family and trusted folks" on here. Some people may recognize my avatar/username, but no one will "vet" me. This site shouldn't be some kind of emulator of fakefook. I'm in a similar position. I never have tried to cultivate any friends here and it's likely that there's nobody to vet me. People who know me know that I can be trusted with the keys to the bank, but that's meaningless here. I'm not opposed to providing credentials if it comes to that, just had hoped that something like that would never be necessary. We'll just have to trust that they come up with something that will consider people like you and I. Like you, I don't want to participate if it involves kissing somebody's ass just so they'll 'like' me. I've never done that in life and damn sure too old to start now. |
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Look, here's what's wrong with this policy. The reason Facebook and Twitter started the farcical "Fake News" and "Fact Checking" efforts, which have evolved into outright censorshipmis because Conservatives discovered a way to leverage those platforms to successfully promote Conservative and pro-American efforts, including, but not limited to, the election of Donald Trump as President. When Facebook fact checks someone, they limit the content to that person's circle of friends or their own page. They cut off the public viewing. They eliminate the ability for those ideas to spread beyond a small circle, those ideas will never gain momentum or "trend". That is the intent. If political discussions are in GD, they are available to the world. Paying members, non paying members and non members. That content can be linked and forwarded. By placing those discussions in Team, you cut off public access, and essentially create an echo chamber. Just like Facebook does by restricting content to your circle of friends. You're doing the work of the Cultural Marxists in some feeble attempt at survival. Survival as a slave. Kow towing to the Marxist overlords. |
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Quoted: This is nothing more than revenue enhancement. They see the majority here are very political and political posts make up about 90% of the content in GD. This as a ploy to try and force more posters to give them $$$ for the privilege of posting during a time of crisis. Profiteering plain and simple. That's fucking bullshit. This will end up costing a lot more than it will bring in. Edit: This kind of reply from me is likely an indication of why I don't have any friends here like I just mentioned above. Don't really give a fuck, though, so I'm still screwed for the vetting. LMAO |
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Quoted: This is nothing more than revenue enhancement. They see the majority here are very political and political posts make up about 90% of the content in GD. This as a ploy to try and force more posters to give them $$$ for the privilege of posting during a time of crisis. Profiteering plain and simple. I'm not saying you're fucking retarded, because that would be against the COC, but I'm saying that's something a fucking retard would say. |
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Since we're talking about changes would there be a way to quarantine Q bots? Like once it's established its a Q thread it get moved to a separate area and bot accounts "reply" to the Q-Drone so they think they're being helpful and spreading the #TRUTH but in reality they're being distracted and kept away from normal people |
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Quoted: This is nothing more than revenue enhancement. They see the majority here are very political and political posts make up about 90% of the content in GD. This as a ploy to try and force more posters to give them $$$ for the privilege of posting during a time of crisis. Profiteering plain and simple. It has NOTHING to do with that. |
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Quoted: What about a true p2p way of designing it? I'm not super familiar with this stuff but couldn't "they" just pull the plug on our node in a federated model? With p2p they'd have to target individuals on a case by case basis. I.e. it would be resistant to even a complete takedown. https://www.manyver.se/ |
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Quoted: Like I told GoatBoy, Everything is political on here and most places for that matter. This is because everything revolves arounds specifics, as you of all people know. Start a thread on GD about nuclear proliferation or a 1978 Chevy Cavalier, and within six posts, politics will creep into the thread...By page three, there are fourteen edgelords and sixty herp derps....Look at this forum this morning...Everything has a political edge to it. The politics forum.....Yawn. If you're going to move all political discussion to the politics forum, you may as well move the entire GD to that forum. That's a moderation issue as well as a lack of self control issue with the membership. |
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Quoted: In on #1 if you do.........................  Quoted: Quoted: So I'm guessing this isn't a good time to start a thread titled, I will not comply? In on #1 if you do......................... |
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Quoted: I am familiar with France during WW2....Quite familiar actually. The point I was making is that if the British were trapped at Dunkirk and the Germans were already in Britain, what do you do then? Stop trying to get people banned. Also, stop attacking your possible allies. Gather yourself man. You purport yourself to be much tougher than this. |
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Quoted: I'm in a similar position. I never have tried to cultivate any friends here and it's likely that there's nobody to vet me. People who know me know that I can be trusted with the keys to the bank, but that's meaningless here. I'm not opposed to providing credentials if it comes to that, just had hoped that something like that would never be necessary. We'll just have to trust that they come up with something that will consider people like you and I. Like you, I don't want to participate if it involves kissing somebody's ass just so they'll 'like' me. I've never done that in life and damn sure too old to start now. Same. If this is what it has come to, they've already won. |
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Quoted: This is nothing more than revenue enhancement. They see the majority here are very political and political posts make up about 90% of the content in GD. This as a ploy to try and force more posters to give them $$$ for the privilege of posting during a time of crisis. Profiteering plain and simple. 
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Quoted: @GoatBoy consider adding a warrant canary https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq Quoted: Quoted: So far ZERO. Let's keep it that way. @GoatBoy consider adding a warrant canary https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq Definitely a good idea. Also, +1 for the ability to use crypto for payment. That would be great. It would have the added benefit of helping more members get familiar with it, and could help normalize using it for other transactions. Might be especially useful to avoid disgusting companies like paypal or venmo when using EE. Edited for typo. |
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Quoted: Your question has no answer, and if someone tried, they'd probably be violating the CoC. Stop trying to get people banned. Also, stop attacking your possible allies. Gather yourself man. You purport yourself to be much tougher than this. I am not trying to get anybody anything nor am I attacking anybody. Somebody said a tactical retreat to Britain from Dunkirk was necessary and my question was, what if Britain was occupied? Simple question. I didn't ask you to answer anything. I wasn't the one that brought Dunkirk up. 
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Do you think people will be more likely to express more extreme views if those views are less likely to be seen by the public? Or maybe it will bring more attention to those posts, “look they are hiding their extreme views, they know those views are wrong”. This is just going to encourage more of an echo chamber. Political discussion is such a broad topic, it doesn’t always turn into conspiracy theories or calls for armed rebellion. Just make some strict guidelines and stick to them, the same guidelines will have to apply wether it’s behind a membership or not. |
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Leftist Amazon employees come here and troll, and post "unauthorized content", then turn around and threaten the site with deplatforming. So the site self censors, or gets forcibly censored, either way the end result is the same. That's how Cultural Marxism works. |
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Quoted: I am not trying to get anybody anything nor am I attacking anybody. Somebody said a tactical retreat to Britain from Dunkirk was necessary and my question was, what if Dunkirk was occupied? Simple question. I didn't ask you to answer anything. I wasn't the one that brought Dunkirk up. If Dunkirk was occupied my guess is they would have been massacred. |
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Quoted: Maybe you guys who are doing nothing but criticizing could post your solutions instead of just bitching. How about it? What are your ideas? I wonder if a foreign sourced ISP provider would/could get around the "1984" desires of our current Big Tech giants? |
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One of the things that surprised me most on here is how many people that run and work on this site thinks biden is a legitimate president. I'm not rich but 24 dollars still doesn't mean much to me, but I just can't see giving money to people that think the left didn't steal the election. anyway, I know that their are a lot of good people on this site. ban me if you want to, it's ok,I'll be alright.. |
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Quoted: Maybe you guys who are doing nothing but criticizing could post your solutions instead of just bitching. How about it? What are your ideas? Grow some balls and leave things the way they are would be nice. ....." Pleeeease don't hurt me Mr. Liberal Bosses ! ".......
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Quoted: Grow some balls and leave things the way they are would be nice. ....." Pleeeease don't hurt me Mr. Liberal Bosses ! "....... Quoted: Quoted: Maybe you guys who are doing nothing but criticizing could post your solutions instead of just bitching. How about it? What are your ideas? Grow some balls and leave things the way they are would be nice. ....." Pleeeease don't hurt me Mr. Liberal Bosses ! "....... I don't know....the guy running the show doesn't seem to think that doing nothing is an option. Doubt if he feels that way for lack of balls, so I'm gonna go with 'he knows more about it than I do because that's what he does.' |
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Quoted: Maybe you guys who are doing nothing but criticizing could post your solutions instead of just bitching. How about it? What are your ideas? Well, I read the entire thread last night and this morning and I told GoatBoy my opinion FWIW, the point is that everything tends to politics on a general discussion board, especially a firearms related discussion board. Also, the definition of "political discussion" is so broad that 3/4 of GD would have had a warning this morning alone. It's going to be impossible to parse that on a hourly basis...No way. My thing is, anger and frustration are at high levels in this country, but getting on this forum and derping and chest beating, are not helping IMO.... Things like consistent "I'm gonna do this", or "This is bullshit and they can fuck off and come and get 'em lead first" doesn't help matters...I understand, but that kind of constant posting is what causes this frustration by Site Staff, because they are in a box....Chest beating versus an Amazon deplatform. It's not political discussion that got this going, it is lack of self control over ONE simple issue and that's the derp over what the solution should be to it. |
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Quoted: I don't know....the guy running the show doesn't seem to think that doing nothing is an option. Doubt if he feels that way for lack of balls, so I'm gonna go with 'he knows more about it than I do because that's what he does.' Well, it is their circus all right .......We all got choices to make.....I hope this "pre bending the knee" makes them happy and works out well for them......
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Quoted: Grow some balls and leave things the way they are would be nice. ....." Pleeeease don't hurt me Mr. Liberal Bosses ! "....... Quoted: Quoted: Maybe you guys who are doing nothing but criticizing could post your solutions instead of just bitching. How about it? What are your ideas? Grow some balls and leave things the way they are would be nice. ....." Pleeeease don't hurt me Mr. Liberal Bosses ! "....... THIS is the hill to die on. |
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Quoted: One of the things that surprised me most on here is how many people that run and work on this site thinks biden is a legitimate president. I'm not rich but 24 dollars still doesn't mean much to me, but I just can't see giving money to people that think the left didn't steal the election. anyway, I know that their are a lot of good people on this site. ban me if you want to, it's ok,I'll be alright.. I don't think Biden is at all legitimate, but I am wise enough to know the Kraken wasn't released and won't be released, so therefore, Biden will be sworn in as POTUS. That's not emotion, that's fact. Trump's attorneys look like something out of a Three Stooges skit. |
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Quoted: P2P is about the only bomb proof way of communicating. It opens up a bunch of other problems though (like, if you use it, you gotta host part, which means, having some of whatever someone else posted on your computer.) Quoted: P2P is about the only bomb proof way of communicating. It opens up a bunch of other problems though (like, if you use it, you gotta host part, which means, having some of whatever someone else posted on your computer.) Using SETI model of shared compute, is a good way to "host" w/o really needing to host much. Another secure way (making it very hard for eaves-droppers, but nothing is 100%) is this: Two PGP key pairs (use the strongest encryption possible, create keys locally, create your keys via non-connected PC, protect your private keys) Encrypt message with pub key #1 Push that message into a random PNG/BMP/GIF/JPG via stego tool (use pic from a random website, do not pull from Google or the like, do not create your own pic, use a pre-shared key for the stego tool) Encrypt pic file with pub key #2 Send Remember, pub Keys 1 & 2 are the public keys from the person you are sending to. Exchange keys while communicating with each other over the phone so you can have confidence in key exchange. At some point the govt will block comms that are encrypted (less the places "they" approve of). |
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Quoted: My Cuban "mom" says this is how it was at the beginning of Castro. Total media blackout. What we are all seeing, has all already been well documented by history. The left has/is banking on the dums of society who were never taught history, hence why it's a glance-over subject in the schools! Those who don't know history are bound to repeat it, known fact ! Voila, look out your window, history is repeating itself. The idiot guest on this AM with dum Stepha-nope-a-lous just called every Trump supporter "the cancer of society", not joking either ! NWO People of the Govt Gilead Is all real folks. Need I remind you who it was that was inciting violence. The MSM wants you to believe it's you "the cancer" and not them ! And btw, none of this violent content and suggestions by Waters was censored down or out of U-toob !  Rep. Maxine Waters Under Scrutiny For Urging Supporters To Confront Trump Officials You saw the Capitol in flames, right?  Jacob Blake protests: Fires light up Kenosha streets as protesters defy emergency curfew  Milwaukee Police Shooting Riots Turn Violent  Kenosha resident drives through the aftermath of the riots |
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Quoted: One of the things that surprised me most on here is how many people that run and work on this site thinks biden is a legitimate president. I'm not rich but 24 dollars still doesn't mean much to me, but I just can't see giving money to people that think the left didn't steal the election. anyway, I know that their are a lot of good people on this site. ban me if you want to, it's ok,I'll be alright.. Biden is only legit via the ink the commi's and turncoats use to legitimize him. |
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Quoted: I, personally, don't see this as the forum capitulating, but instead trying to cover our asses for letting our personal "opsec" go to hell ever the last year or two. Instead of things that should be discussed securely, people are doing it in the clear, and that is harmful to our side, and puts a bunch of us in the crosshairs during the current witch-hunt. People here are fucking up in public, and it has to stop, not for censorship, but for protection. It's not opsec if you're larping, which is why there's a bunch of people pissed off about it. They want to say a bunch of goofy shit on the internet because it's not real to them anyway. |
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Quoted: Using SETI model of shared compute, is a good way to "host" w/o really needing to host much. Another secure way (making it very hard for eaves-droppers, but nothing is 100%) is this: At some point the govt will block comms that are encrypted (less the places "they" approve of). We could use sigs for that purpose but I don't think the field is long enough and nobody wants threads cluttered with big blocks of text more than it already is... |
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The paradox of tolerance is a real thing. It's painfully clear that we can't continue to act with the idea that we will tolerate anything, while those with opposing viewpoints are doing everything they can to silence the debate. With that in mind, I think the best approach is to purge the trolls, and police the extremists on our side. I'm fine with healthy debate, but honestly, that's NOT the place we're at right now. Many are just provoking, or reacting to provocation. There isn't a way to reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. The move of politics to Team is a good idea. Along with that, there ought to be some troll hunting by the mods. I have no doubt that some of the discord is intentional. Along with that, a fair number of people on our side seem to have lost their minds after Trump was defeated. I have little doubt that there was malfeasance in the elections, but we clearly didn't have a legal recourse that could viably change the outcome in a month. That's something that needs to be dealt with through the political and possibly the legal process. Neither of those will be fast. People on our side who are advocating violence aren't just acting foolishly; they're literally inviting the man into their life in this political environment. The pot-stirrers have always peaked before elections. Some vetting, limited new free memberships or a blackout window on free memberships in the X months before an election might be an approach. In terms of vetting, I think there are a lot of things you could do. Obviously getting the nod from long time members in good standing is one way. Membership in a pro-gun group, or a competitive shooting sport would be another. A number of FB groups for shooting that I'm involved in look at your likes and other group memberships before letting you in. |