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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:18:43 AM EDT
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Looks like the ships used by that species that the Borg were terrified of. Those ships were used to destroy entire Borg worlds.
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:21:06 AM EDT
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Species 8472 ships were small though, smaller than the Enterprise. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:23:44 AM EDT
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If you like that click this |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:38:03 AM EDT
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That was NH AR Shooter |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:41:31 AM EDT
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Thats some site! but the SunCrusher would win every battle (given enough torpedos  )
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Posted: 1/9/2006 7:52:04 AM EDT
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They may play it out like the original colonists of Earth were the ancient Greeks or that the Galactica fleet becomes the ancient Greeks, or that when they arrive Earth is already a prosperous planet with its own defense fleet. It will be very interesting to see how they end the series.
I may watch this season of BSG and 24 on TV rather than DVD. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 8:29:33 AM EDT
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Hopefully they will never encounter this ship.
 Its really bad luck to even be near it.. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 8:54:59 AM EDT
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Not nessecerally. Look at how much RF out put we put out now. If one was looking for us and new what area of the sky to look at, one just needs to open ones ears. If you need to hide make sure you six is as clear as crystal, make landfall, and shut every thing down as soon as possible. Just my .02 |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 10:14:28 AM EDT
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Does that thing have a weapon that shoot a white glob of plasma out the front? ~Dg84 |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 10:21:06 AM EDT
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That's not the front, that's the back. Please hand in your nerd card. 
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Posted: 1/9/2006 10:52:38 AM EDT
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I disagree Adama "took on" all the ships with FTL drives. The President (not Adama) made the decision to leave and there wasn't time to evacuate the sub light ships. If she had had more time she would have. Kane on the other hand, clearly had enough time to save people, because she had time to murder the scientists families and strip the other ships of FTL drives. Also is it just me or did the President never update her dry erase board to include the Pegasus crew? Also, how did Kane have the audacity to welcome Adama back to the colonial fleet when she had only been in command of one ship (not a fleet) and the President was part of Adama’s NOT Kane’s fleet. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:10:01 AM EDT
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In her view, she is the Colonial Fleet. It's like when an Admiral, say Commander, Atlantic Fleet, arrives at a location, they announce him as Atlantic Fleet arriving. Probably the same type of thing. Also, I don't think at that point she recognized Rosalyn as the President. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:14:49 AM EDT
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I still don't think she does. I think she sees herself as a "military dictator" to be obeyed absolutely, whether she'd agree with that label or not. 
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:15:32 AM EDT
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Cain never returned the Presidents calls earlier so she probably couldn't get an accuracte figure on the number of Pegasus' crew. Thus she didn't bother updating the board yet.
Even without Pegasus what are the fleet's abilities? Mining Fuel Refinery Some ships managed to arm themselves...how? The same missiles Vipers carry, just launched from a civi ship. A while ago, before the new episodes started again there were two different Colonial Military shoulder patches for warships, one having the BSG-75 unit number. IIRC they were not battlestars. Perhaps escorts of some kind. Maybe that story point got axed, but we may yet see two more minor warships appear. Odds are more than one or two warships could have survived if we assume they all have jump drives. ~120 to 150 warships in the fleet. Or it could be that Pegasus took on survivors of other ships from the shipyard where she was docked. But Cain did imply she got to CIC saw what was going on and jumped. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:25:40 AM EDT
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The president's goal is to save the survivors. So yes, given the time and resources she would have evacuated every soul. Kain's goal is to fight and take back the colonies. If Kain was given the time and resources she wanted (which includes FTL drives and masterchiefs), she probably wouldn't have murdered the families of the unwilling or stranded those civilian ships. But in both cases, time, FTL drives, and masterchiefs were in short supply and both cases ended with lives lost. Kain is not acting irrationally. There is method to her madness, so to speak. To respond to a post a page or two ago about the colonies being dead, I disagree. Scenes from within Caprica City and the rebel base suggest minimal damage to buildings and supply depots. You could infer, given preponderence of evidence and the Cylon's intent to exterminate human life, that refineries, communication relays, comm stations, supply depots, ammo caches, ships in drydock for repairs, dry docks, nav stations and beacons, strategic fuel reserves, and warehouses probably escaped the brunt of the Cylon's attack. This is what Kain is likely hoping for but she doesn't know for sure. You, the viewer, have a priveledged perspective because you know far more than any one character would know about things happening several lightyears (?) apart. Kain doesn't know the extent of damage done to the colonies nor exactly how much of the military's stores are intact. You do because the writer's and directors wanted you to know. I guess the best rhetoric I can throw back is Monday morning quarterbacking. It's sure easy to judge a misplay when you have the benefit of 17 different camera angles and the announcers telling you so. It's a tough decision made under tougher circumstances but to say that Kain and her actions are "crazy" and "unreasoned" is incorrect. She knew the consequences to her actions and she knew what she wanted to accomplish by those acts. Is she callous and despotic, you bet, but she isn't crazy. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:34:07 AM EDT
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You are reading far to much into a couple of shots. The Cylons nuked every city of any size in the opening attack, as well as all the major military installations - including the refit dock where the Pegasus and her BSG were stationed. The only survivors left on Caprica were in the backwoods when the attack occurred. Moreover, we're talking about heavy industry to build Vipers and Battlestars, not a small potatoes fuel or ammo depo like those raided by the resistence. Your also ignoring the fact that even if they got the industry up and running, I doubt their economy could support a substantial fleet. They are down to 50,000 people from multiple billions. All 12 colonies together only had a fleet of 120 Battlestars. Kain IS insane. Yes, there is a method to her madness, but attempting to fight such a war can be seen as insanity itself. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:37:01 AM EDT
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However, the number of survivors is updated on the number shown during the opening credits |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:42:36 AM EDT
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In the mini series the crew of the Galactica knew that at least something like 75 battlestars destroyed. Who knows how many others were destroyed or survived that the Galactica doesn’t know about. I would imagine an armada that size would have hundreds of smaller destroyers, cruisers, etc. However, the chances of them encountering another human ship so far past “the red line” is probably slim. It would be foolish to assume that all the ships would have fled in the same direction. The only reason they found Pegasus is because Pegasus was hunting the Cylon fleet that was hunting the Galactica fleet. Seem to me it would have been easiest if the president had had Lee Adama or Kara board Colonial 1 before the Adama/Kain meeting and assassinate Kain right there. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:54:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2006 11:56:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2006 12:47:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2006 12:55:34 PM EDT
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Expecially given that you see a Firefly class ship for a brief second in the pilot. 
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:01:42 PM EDT
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I'm not so sure that they want to wipe out humans. They certainly wanted to take over, and they took a total war approach. They said the ressurrection ship and the two base stars were shadowing the fleet. If they are keeping close, they ought to be able to find them and crush them, but they don't. Also, they are using the human women on caprica as baby machines. They have a plan, and it's not as simple as wiping out humanity. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:02:36 PM EDT
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If we had a continuation of the 24 threads, it would eclipse BSG simply because it's been around longer. At leas the BSG threads are easier to find. How do you do a search on 24? |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:28:14 PM EDT
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I would say she is. The president told Adama that the "war" was over, they lost; which in truth, is very accurate. Realizing that the war is over, and now it is time just to survive is rational, running out into the middle of an overpowering force and making a "last stand" is irrational, IMHO. Adama realized that the President was right, and that continuing to try to engage the Cylons was suicidal, at best. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:39:46 PM EDT
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The notion that 1 fully operational Battlestar, the Pegasus, and a flying museum, the Galactica, could make anything more than a 30 second stand against the Cylons in an assault on the 12 Colonies is asinine.
Short of a reversal of roles and the humans finding a way to 'shut down' the Cylons as was done to them, they can't win. The only forseeable chance is to find an already industrialized civilization(Earth) and catch them up a few hundred or so years scientifically while hoping the Cylons don't find you. That is assuming Earth is developed to the same point we are now. In short: Cain is a maroon. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:42:07 PM EDT
[#27]
Take that back!!!
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:42:09 PM EDT
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Cain and Gina were lesbian lovers before Gina was outed as a cylon.
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:53:13 PM EDT
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OH PLEASE LET THERE BE A FLASHBACK EPISODE!!!!!! |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:55:40 PM EDT
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Point of order: Is it Kane, Kain, Cane, or Cain (damn the English language!)? Or do we actually know?
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:59:02 PM EDT
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Cain www.scifi.com/battlestar/ |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:02:18 PM EDT
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Why do so many people assume that earth will have technology circa 2006. If humanity originated on Kobol the Earth colonist would need space ships to get there, right? If so chances are there level of technology would be something similar to that of the other colonies.
Also, do we know why Kobol was abandoned and lost to the colonies? |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:02:29 PM EDT
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What is the size of the Cylon Force? How many Colonial ships survived the assault? What are the dispositions of both forces? I don't think anyone in the series has suggested a full out assault on the colonies. Cain has been fighting cat and mouse with the Cylons. Adama is running. It is Cains desire to continue her fight including the Galactica. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:08:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:25:50 PM EDT
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Well, yeah, if you make a bunch of assumptions, but the point is, it's simply not known.
The Cylons used Relative Superiority to gain early success. It's simply an assumption that they are large. How many Battlestars were there? How many Base Stars have we seen? It only took one or two specially equipped raiders to take down entire groups of Vipers. Now that the immediate technical issues have resolved, two battlestars may well suffice. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:25:58 PM EDT
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Then the question is, what is her objective? Could Pegasus and Galactica kill a few base stars? Sure, but at what cost? Everything is finite for the Colonials. Fuel, ammo and most importantly, people. Unless its a do or die scenario, as was when the Galactica attacked the fuel mining facility, or now the presence of the 'Resurrection' ship, they'd be far better off simply keeping their heads down and getting the fuck out of dodge. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:34:05 PM EDT
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They said expressly the reason for attacking the 2 base stars and the ressurrection ship was to make the cylons more cautious in their pursuit. They need to make the pursuing Cylons respect them, or they'll be overwhelmed. The Colonials can't run forever. At the very least they'll need to stop for supplies. What good is it, if they Cylons are right on them when they stop? Suppose they're successful and destroy all three of the ships pursuing them. How far away are reinforcements? How much time will the Colonials have bought themselves? How far can they move from the contact point? They know where some Cylons are, and they have a chance to blood them. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:34:38 PM EDT
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I think they're safe assumptions. The force would need to be at least moderately large in order to do the simultaneous part. There were a LOT of nukes being delivered at the same time. But even if you take away the assumptions, attacking a force of unknown size, with an unknown technical advantage, that has just demonstrated an ability to wipe out 118 of 120 Battlestars, and 12 earth worlds is insane. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:36:07 PM EDT
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That's just it. No one is suggesting striking blindly at the Cylons. Cain has been hunting them. She's fighting her battlestar. They don't often give commands to people who don't know how to fight their ship. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:41:48 PM EDT
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Even sticking around is dangerous. Each hit and run attack Cain does could turn into a trap. Flight is by far the best option. If nothing else, even if they don't escape the Cylons entirely, finding an earth-like world as far away from the Cylons and their supply lines as possible would be more defensible than radioactive Caprica. Heck, they should just go to Kobol before they return to Caprica. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 2:57:42 PM EDT
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They had to stick around when they were collecting water. They had to stick around when they were collecting fuel. They had to stick around when they were on Caprica. They'll need to stick around some where in the future for some reason. Right now they have a chance to slow the Cylons down by taking the fight to them at the time and place of their choosing. They'll also damage the the Cylons ability to gather intelligence by destroying the Resurrection ship and preventing any Cylons that are with the fleet from communicating with the rest of the Cylon forces. It will buy them time down the road for when they need to stick around for something. Let me put it this way. When an Army retreats does it just run away like a fightened little school girl? Not if it can help it. Units will be detailed to provide security and fight rearguard actions. The colonial fleet doesn't have the ability to do this. So, it's major combatants must occasionally turn and face the enemy to keep them at bay. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 3:00:36 PM EDT
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I think we're talking about different things now. Taking limited risks to get fuel, a strike at the resurrection ship, etc. are all justified risks. Hit and runs in preparation for an almost certainly futile attempt to retake the Colonies? Foolish. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 3:01:06 PM EDT
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The Galactica is a bit more than a Museum. We know Galactica could and did support the latest Mk.VII Vipers. Galactica also has the same "dual flak guns" type turrets that Pegasus has. From screen shots Pegasus has about 25-30 of the same heavy gun turrets as Galactica. Galactica has 24 of the same heavy flack turrets. So in heavy guns they are more a less equal. Galactica has hundreds of smaller AA guns all over the ship. Pegasus does not have any of these guns, or at least none visible.
Pegasus' power comes from more fighters(double decker hangar pods) , even more than a fully operational Galactica and probably better armor/sensors. We do not know if either ship has missile systems, if so Pegasus might have an advantage with newer missiles, but there is no reason Galactica can't use the newer models. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 3:07:27 PM EDT
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We're not really talking about different things. We are considering the situation from different points of view. You assume all is lost. I assume that there is a chance. I was using examples to show that BSGs could take on and defeat the Cylons. But that they need to do it systematically as a counterpoint to your suggestion that they just head back to the colonies. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 3:29:02 PM EDT
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O.k., I grant they have a .005% chance of success. 
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Posted: 1/9/2006 3:57:50 PM EDT
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During the Stargate opener episodes, in the commercials, one of the sneak peeks into BSG is a battlestar in combat. It looks like Galactica. Does anyone have a screenshot verifying; how about who they are fighting? |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 4:04:17 PM EDT
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The dry erase board WAS updated to 49,???. It was the same figure as shown during the opening credits right after the Pegasus arrived. It was previously 47,???. Several pages back the dry erase board was misquoted by someone else as 46,??? I was watching for it 4 months ago when the episode first aired and watched for it again this week. Since the population has preoccupied the President since it all began it would have be one of the first questions on her agenda. |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 4:12:28 PM EDT
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Next weeks episode should be rockin.
Nothing like a combined attack and an assination or two. Spicy stuff |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 4:33:20 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 4:37:32 PM EDT
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Welcome to the site! edit: Crashed , first post |
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