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I've seen many a Colt M16 fail initial gaging and inspection. While it doesn't happen often, I'm sure that's of little consolation to the poor schmuck holding an inop weapon when the SHTF.... Once again, my point is that the high cost of a Colt isn't justified by the marginal PROSPECT of a better weapon. And, of course, that is just my humble opinion. 
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at this thread......
Here's another little bit of news: A person in his own home or a police officer on the street can end up just as dead from an unreliable weapon as a soldier in a war zone. Contrary to popular belief, having to kill somebody to stay alive is not merely something soldiers are faced with....and generally when soldiers ARE faced with that sort of situation they are not facing it ALONE like most ordinary civilians and law enforcement officers are. |
by that logic, should i even own an AR? as i stated in my post that you MISQUOTED the AR in question was my HOME DEFENSE AR... living a few miles outside of the Philadelphia City Limits is close enough to a war zone for me... newsflash: your above post contradicts your "liberty" sigline |
Not in my opinion. It doesn't displace enough metal for me. |
Great, now who else meets those minimum standards that makes ARs these days? |
well opinions are like ......well you know! |
So are *most* of the people that post over there.  Sometimes I get the feeling that we fancy ourselves more special than we really are. In my mind, there's a huge difference between procurement for a department, and an individual rifle for the enthusiast. If I had to buy a few hundred of them, I'd probably buy Colts. Does that mean I think that those Colts are better than my individual rifles from various "lesser" manufactures? Nope. In fact, I know they're not. But buying one for me and testing the snot out of it is different than buying them for dozens of others. At best, I will use one to defend my home. They fit that role nicely. The other 99.999% of the time, I will be shooting plates and putting holes in paper. And so will almost everybody else on this site, and the other. |
You really think ole In Burrito knows what testing all those companies do? "I remember back in 03 someone posting that Bushy only batch tests bolts" Don't believe everything some guy tells you on the internet You might be surprised about what you find out about some "technical experts" |
This highlights the need for any and all "serious use" rifles be thoroughly tested before being placed into service in a cruiser, in an arms room, or next to the bed. It doesn't matter which rollmark you choose, test your gear first. This includes your choice of ammo and magazines. |
You have every right to own a LMT or Colt but in the US a Hesse or Olympic Arms AR will do the job just fine. Your not in a combat zone bud. |
oh i am well aware... however it is apparently commonplace on here for people's 1/9 barrels to shoot 75gr barrels sub-moa at like 600yds...  the fact that mine didn't was just icing on the cake... it shot 68-69gr rounds just fine... once the bolt and barrel extension wore into each other... 
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it would kind of suck if I got up to take a pee in the middle of the night and found a couple of guys with butcher knives in the living room, shot one and had the bolt on my plinker break and spent the rest of the evening finding out if a cast receiver AR makes a good quarterstaff. |
Bingo. ...unfortunately that isn't always an option, especially if you work for the government. |
IMHO, once you've bought your first 1 or 2 guns as factory rifles and know the ins and outs, and assembly, stop fooling around and build your own out of components that meet YOUR specs.
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I hope that is sarcasm 
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Colt sometimes doesn't meet those minimum standards. I mentioned it in another post, but I've rejected a few Colts based on failing initial gaging and inspecting. Is it worth it to spend the additional money for a weapon that might not meet minimum standards? If it makes you feel better to own a Colt, then I'm happy for you. I just get frustrated when somone is told that any weapon other than a Colt or LMT is inferior and that they are risking thier personal safety by owning such a weapon. |
Oh really?  Seems to me a lot of new players in the field (ADM, Charles Daly, ADS, Bobro, etc...) are given their due over at M4Carbine.net. Maybe you need to rethink your argument? |
Or I could buy a rifle that has a proper stake job, proper feed ramps, proper twist, and proper barrel steel the first time around. You only pay for quality once. You pay for cheap, over and over. That said. I do have no 5.56mm Colts or LMTs. I have a Bushmaster and two POFs. If I had it to do all over again, I'd go Colt out of the box. When I buy my nephew an AR, it will be a Colt. At least then I'll have a reasonable expectation of quality. |
Er, no, I wouldn't trust an oly for anything but shooting cans and other play gun stuff. |
Ya, well...that sounds fine and dandy, but you don't know how much bad mojo I have. I really don't want to bet my life on a rifle I put together.
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Which is why I remain convinced that these discussions are of more relevance to those in charge of procurement, and much less so to individual enthusiasts. |
not when they don't work... what part of my reply did you NOT read? - wouldn't ZERO - loose gas key (which was remedied before shooting, but would have led to short stroking) - bolt lugs and barrel extension would not close causing failures to go into battery... those are FUNCTIONAL issues... the Stag did NOT do the job... you talked about running your Stag in a Carbine course... why do you need a carbine course if you're not in a combat zone? so far you've proved that you have NO reading comprehension, you like to contradict yourself, and you are argumentative. thanks for that. |
Actually, it is. Stag should be aware that 75gr and 77gr bullets are becoming quite popular. Why don't they offer 1:7 twist barrels, at least as an option? |
Who said I took a carbine course?  I said you could put a Stag through a carbine course, I didn't say I did. Maybe you should try that reading comprehension thing yourself. EDIT: If you need a carbine course to deal with possible intruders your rifle failing should be the least of your worries. |
Sometimes being the operative word. Answer my question, who builds rifles to the same minimum standards in the TDP and offers it to the public? I own a Colt 9mm AR. I don't use it for self-defense. I'm not saying that it's Colt or nothing. I'm saying that if you want to play the odds then Colt is the bet. |
I agree with this, under ideal conditions, you can get a DPMS and test it, abuse it, and tweak it, and have a 100% hands down reliable weapon. But if you have to place an order for 100 rifles that are going into newb hands, you want guns that have the highest chance of out-of-the box success. Colt fills the role perfectly. Everyone else has different needs. |
we will all be laughing our asses off,when you post"my colt doesnt feed" or "my colt jammed". i think you may have had too much koolaid. especially with the comment you dont own a colt. doesnt sound like you have any real experience with them. |
My Glock can do that.
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My Plinker has been fine so far (a couple thousand rounds), it is a forged receiver one, not the older cast ones. I don't run it hard, but it is fine for my use, and I wouldn't hesitate to grab it for self defense, ymmv. |
Exactly. People get wound up over a non-issue, in my opinion. |
No one. You win. From here on out it's Colt for me!! Pass the Kool-Aid please!! |
That depends. Say you use your AR to defend your house from a bad guy. The cops are going to take that weapon. The family and the homies of the bad guy, meanwhile, aren't exactly the upstanding citizen types either....and there's been some discussion about payback.... Personally I'm going to look to replace my main home defense AR as quickly as humanly possible. Now is that a situation commonly faced by AR owners? No. ...but I believe that in General Discussion over the weekend somebody posted about his wife shooting at someone trying to break into their home and guess what? She lost her weapon. Most folks will have time to properly T&E equipment. A significant number of AR fans are even willing to work through issues they find with weapon X or Y because overall they enjoy futzing with them. Some, however, won't have the time to T&E a weapon properly and still others want a weapon they can treat like a lawnmower, sort of the Glock 17 of carbines. For those people the best odds are with a Colt 6920 in an AR style rifle. EDIT -- Speaking personally if I could have anything I wanted it would be a 416 upper on a Colt lower with a collapsible stock. Those things are the heat. |
Its more of a "look at me I'm cool" kind of thing. Kind of like the people that put big lift kits on their truck when they don't even rock climb 
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Very reasonable, and agreed. |
I'm laughing my ass of at you! I have no plans to replace what I have now. No plans to add to my collection. I'm comfortable with what I have now. However, if I was to buy new, I would buy a Colt. It gives me a better chance of getting one that runs and will run hard with no tweaking. This is what is really funny about the whole Tier system. People get married to their gear and get their panties in a wad, like you. As for my experience with Colts, it's mainly limited to M4A1s I was responsible for. I never had one malf, and we ran through a shit-ton of ammo semi-auto and full-auto. |
... And it becomes even stupider when you realize that there is a great deal overlap in the membership of ARFCOM & M4Carbine.net. Somehow the phrase "own worst enemy" springs to mind. |
You're asking the resident training junkie? |
I'm not against it, I just think its pointless. |
So that YOU have the largest possible advantage when you are in a fight for your life. Is that too hard of a concept to grasp? Seems VERY simple to me. |
you sound like a DU troll... "why do you need a hard use gun? you aren't in the military", "why do you need guns, you aren't a cop", "a DPMS bargain POS with UTG rails is perfect for any civilian" to me its more of a "look at me I've shot 500 rounds" while someone is troubleshooting their first mag in their bargain bin POS to each their own... if your stag is good for you... great... mine wasn't... and has been replaced... this is the type of mindset that creates other forums like M4C, 10-8, etc. people get tired of being called gun snobs for buying high end quality parts and having to justify why companies that use BETTER materials and BETTER QC methods are inherently BETTER than companies that cut corners to turn the highest profit possible... |
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