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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:29:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:36:32 AM EDT
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Where is the dishonesty?

Are you an ammo importer?  do you personally know any?  Well if you are,  or if you do,  ask them what the current state of the market is in eastern europe and Russia with regards to projected ammo availability.
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That is NOT how an official determination letter reads. The .gov probably will end up banning importation at some point but that aint it.


meh.. call it what you will,  a SUBMITTED form 6 for surplus 5.45 WAS denied for the reasons stated in the letter,  the importer in question has imported a brazillion rounds over the decades and is hardly new to the game.   The denial was not due to any error on their part,  it is either a mistaken interpetation by a single ATF employee or department,  or it's a new policy for the import branch...


Lets not pretend some dishonesty flew around with 7.62x39 ammo a few weeks ago that caused millions of rounds to be sold



Where is the dishonesty?

Are you an ammo importer?  do you personally know any?  Well if you are,  or if you do,  ask them what the current state of the market is in eastern europe and Russia with regards to projected ammo availability.



Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:40:11 AM EDT
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That is NOT how an official determination letter reads. The .gov probably will end up banning importation at some point but that aint it.


meh.. call it what you will,  a SUBMITTED form 6 for surplus 5.45 WAS denied for the reasons stated in the letter,  the importer in question has imported a brazillion rounds over the decades and is hardly new to the game.   The denial was not due to any error on their part,  it is either a mistaken interpetation by a single ATF employee or department,  or it's a new policy for the import branch...


Lets not pretend some dishonesty flew around with 7.62x39 ammo a few weeks ago that caused millions of rounds to be sold



Where is the dishonesty?

Are you an ammo importer?  do you personally know any?  Well if you are,  or if you do,  ask them what the current state of the market is in eastern europe and Russia with regards to projected ammo availability.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAwnbE2k9uw



So ya got nuthin?
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:42:34 AM EDT
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OP, aren't you the guy all up on Buck Yeagers balls? If I recall you come in every Yeager thread and talk about how big his penis is and how great he is.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:48:14 AM EDT
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Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 4:53:34 AM EDT
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Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick
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So ya got nuthin?


Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick


So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:02:02 AM EDT
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So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?
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So ya got nuthin?


Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick


So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?


For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:10:30 AM EDT
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
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So ya got nuthin?


Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick


So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?


For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it



Sorry I hurt your feelers...  
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:12:03 AM EDT
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Another consideration is that if ATF goes down this road...FFLs/SOTs will no longer be able to sell it....  just like they can't sell the Chinese steel core thats floating around...
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:24:18 AM EDT
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Another consideration is that if ATF goes down this road...FFLs/SOTs will no longer be able to sell it....  just like they can't sell the Chinese steel core thats floating around...
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This if it were somehow illegal ALL major importers/sellers would know about it and at a minimum would be on a temp hold on orders until everything were sorted out. And since its still forsale at almost all major places im going with bull shit.
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Why does every one keep posting about that guy? What's the obsession with him around here?




The info you seem is located over there in that ditch.


http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/3319745.jpg
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:38:25 AM EDT
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This if it were somehow illegal ALL major importers/sellers would know about it and at a minimum would be on a temp hold on orders until everything were sorted out. And since its still forsale at almost all major places im going with bull shit.
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Another consideration is that if ATF goes down this road...FFLs/SOTs will no longer be able to sell it....  just like they can't sell the Chinese steel core thats floating around...



This if it were somehow illegal ALL major importers/sellers would know about it and at a minimum would be on a temp hold on orders until everything were sorted out. And since its still forsale at almost all major places im going with bull shit.



All I can say is that the letter is legit....perhaps you should submit an F6 for some 7n6 and let us know the result.  
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 5:54:19 AM EDT
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All I can say is that the letter is legit....perhaps you should submit an F6 for some 7n6 and let us know the result.  
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Another consideration is that if ATF goes down this road...FFLs/SOTs will no longer be able to sell it....  just like they can't sell the Chinese steel core thats floating around...



This if it were somehow illegal ALL major importers/sellers would know about it and at a minimum would be on a temp hold on orders until everything were sorted out. And since its still forsale at almost all major places im going with bull shit.



All I can say is that the letter is legit....perhaps you should submit an F6 for some 7n6 and let us know the result.  


James?
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Another consideration is that if ATF goes down this road...FFLs/SOTs will no longer be able to sell it....  just like they can't sell the Chinese steel core thats floating around...



This if it were somehow illegal ALL major importers/sellers would know about it and at a minimum would be on a temp hold on orders until everything were sorted out. And since its still forsale at almost all major places im going with bull shit.



All I can say is that the letter is legit....perhaps you should submit an F6 for some 7n6 and let us know the result.  


James?


Nope,  sorry.  
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 6:22:02 AM EDT
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The picture that Yeager is posting comes from here:

http://www.thebangswitch.com/import-ban-on-7n6-5-45x39/

MAC has now updated his photo to one with the phone numbers redacted.  MAC states the following in the comments, responding to one claim of the "letter" being fake:

It's an email, not a letter. That's why I called the person I got it from who is the importer and spoke to them voice and confirmed this an email they personally got from the ATF. I've since been contacted by an exporter that confirmed delays on their end waiting on paperwork that's well past due.
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While Yeager may be sounding the alarm prematurely, there is something going on here.  Is it a mistake in the processing of a single form 6?  Is it more?  Who is the importer?  I don't know, but I wouldn't just dismiss this as Yeager stirring shit up.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 6:26:56 AM EDT
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Again, 7n6 5.45x39mm does not and cannot meet the explicit parameters for being an armor-piercing handgun ammunition.  Not without the ATF violating the law by ignoring the federal definition in an absolutely inarguable manner.

The law says nothing can meet the definition if it is below .22 cal, or wasn't designed and intended, or has a jacket weight of less than 1/4th of the total projectile weight.

For it to be bannable it would have to be greater than .22 AND designed and intended for a handgun AND jacket weight more than 1/4th projectile weight.  5.45mm cannot and never will be any of those things.

ATF can try to ban it but a well-placed lawsuit will cram that up their ass in a heartbeat.  The statute is crystal clear and they have no wiggle room.
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Partial corroboration from MAC:


http://www.thebangswitch.com/import-ban-on-7n6-5-45x39/


Again, 7n6 5.45x39mm does not and cannot meet the explicit parameters for being an armor-piercing handgun ammunition.  Not without the ATF violating the law by ignoring the federal definition in an absolutely inarguable manner.

The law says nothing can meet the definition if it is below .22 cal, or wasn't designed and intended, or has a jacket weight of less than 1/4th of the total projectile weight.

For it to be bannable it would have to be greater than .22 AND designed and intended for a handgun AND jacket weight more than 1/4th projectile weight.  5.45mm cannot and never will be any of those things.

ATF can try to ban it but a well-placed lawsuit will cram that up their ass in a heartbeat.  The statute is crystal clear and they have no wiggle room.


Steel core 7.62x39mm doesn't meet all three qualifications either.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 6:40:20 AM EDT
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Is the email/letter bogus or not?
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If it was real more people would know about it. There is more than one person who gets this ammo imported into the US. Buck Angel also used his faggotry in an attempt to start a scare because of the Ukraine conflict.
I'm guessing a handful of idiots got together, and thought it would be a great business plan to fool people into thing that one of the world's least scarce resources(cold war ammo), was in fact scarce.

Also to all of the "it's happening crowd". Why is this stuff still cheaper than most .22lr
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 6:55:48 AM EDT
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Steel core 7.62x39mm doesn't meet all three qualifications either.
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Partial corroboration from MAC:


http://www.thebangswitch.com/import-ban-on-7n6-5-45x39/


Again, 7n6 5.45x39mm does not and cannot meet the explicit parameters for being an armor-piercing handgun ammunition.  Not without the ATF violating the law by ignoring the federal definition in an absolutely inarguable manner.

The law says nothing can meet the definition if it is below .22 cal, or wasn't designed and intended, or has a jacket weight of less than 1/4th of the total projectile weight.

For it to be bannable it would have to be greater than .22 AND designed and intended for a handgun AND jacket weight more than 1/4th projectile weight.  5.45mm cannot and never will be any of those things.

ATF can try to ban it but a well-placed lawsuit will cram that up their ass in a heartbeat.  The statute is crystal clear and they have no wiggle room.


Steel core 7.62x39mm doesn't meet all three qualifications either.


But it also has no lead in the projectile and is therefore vulnerable to the first set of parameters.

7n6 has a lead component and therefore cannot meet the first clause's parameters in the manner that was used to prohibit Chicom steel core 7.62x39.
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If it was real more people would know about it. There is more than one person who gets this ammo imported into the US. Buck Angel also used his faggotry in an attempt to start a scare because of the Ukraine conflict.
I'm guessing a handful of idiots got together, and thought it would be a great business plan to fool people into thing that one of the world's least scarce resources(cold war ammo), was in fact scarce.

Also to all of the "it's happening crowd". Why is this stuff still cheaper than most .22lr
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Is the email/letter bogus or not?


If it was real more people would know about it. There is more than one person who gets this ammo imported into the US. Buck Angel also used his faggotry in an attempt to start a scare because of the Ukraine conflict.
I'm guessing a handful of idiots got together, and thought it would be a great business plan to fool people into thing that one of the world's least scarce resources(cold war ammo), was in fact scarce.

Also to all of the "it's happening crowd". Why is this stuff still cheaper than most .22lr


A. It's corrosive
B. It packs slightly less punch than 5.56
C. It's corrosive
D. Damned few guns (relative to 22LR, 5.56, 7.62x39, or 7.62x51) chambered for it
E. It's corrosive
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But it also has no lead in the projectile and is therefore vulnerable to the first set of parameters.

7n6 has a lead component and therefore cannot meet the first clause's parameters in the manner that was used to prohibit Chicom steel core 7.62x39.
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http://www.thebangswitch.com/import-ban-on-7n6-5-45x39/


Again, 7n6 5.45x39mm does not and cannot meet the explicit parameters for being an armor-piercing handgun ammunition.  Not without the ATF violating the law by ignoring the federal definition in an absolutely inarguable manner.

The law says nothing can meet the definition if it is below .22 cal, or wasn't designed and intended, or has a jacket weight of less than 1/4th of the total projectile weight.

For it to be bannable it would have to be greater than .22 AND designed and intended for a handgun AND jacket weight more than 1/4th projectile weight.  5.45mm cannot and never will be any of those things.

ATF can try to ban it but a well-placed lawsuit will cram that up their ass in a heartbeat.  The statute is crystal clear and they have no wiggle room.


Steel core 7.62x39mm doesn't meet all three qualifications either.


But it also has no lead in the projectile and is therefore vulnerable to the first set of parameters.

7n6 has a lead component and therefore cannot meet the first clause's parameters in the manner that was used to prohibit Chicom steel core 7.62x39.


the ATF is a rouge agency, what makes you think it follows rules. Its own or anyone elses?
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:05:48 AM EDT
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A. It's corrosive
B. It packs slightly less punch than 5.56
C. It's corrosive
D. Damned few guns (relative to 22LR, 5.56, 7.62x39, or 7.62x51) chambered for it
E. It's corrosive
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Is the email/letter bogus or not?


If it was real more people would know about it. There is more than one person who gets this ammo imported into the US. Buck Angel also used his faggotry in an attempt to start a scare because of the Ukraine conflict.
I'm guessing a handful of idiots got together, and thought it would be a great business plan to fool people into thing that one of the world's least scarce resources(cold war ammo), was in fact scarce.

Also to all of the "it's happening crowd". Why is this stuff still cheaper than most .22lr


A. It's corrosive
B. It packs slightly less punch than 5.56
C. It's corrosive
D. Damned few guns (relative to 22LR, 5.56, 7.62x39, or 7.62x51) chambered for it
E. It's corrosive


This matters not; Gobmint is banning it for being armor piercing. Supply/Demand
How many idiots paid over 2k for $700 guns after Sandy Hook?
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:07:00 AM EDT
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This matters not; Gobmint is banning it for being armor piercing. Supply/Demand
How many idiots paid over 2k for $700 guns after Sandy Hook?
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Is the email/letter bogus or not?


If it was real more people would know about it. There is more than one person who gets this ammo imported into the US. Buck Angel also used his faggotry in an attempt to start a scare because of the Ukraine conflict.
I'm guessing a handful of idiots got together, and thought it would be a great business plan to fool people into thing that one of the world's least scarce resources(cold war ammo), was in fact scarce.

Also to all of the "it's happening crowd". Why is this stuff still cheaper than most .22lr


A. It's corrosive
B. It packs slightly less punch than 5.56
C. It's corrosive
D. Damned few guns (relative to 22LR, 5.56, 7.62x39, or 7.62x51) chambered for it
E. It's corrosive


This matters not; Gobmint is banning it for being armor piercing. Supply/Demand
How many idiots paid over 2k for $700 guns after Sandy Hook?


I agree with you, I was just answering the question of "Why is this stuff still cheaper than most .22lr."
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:08:39 AM EDT
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Paging Leonard Embody........aka "Kwikrnu"

He said ATF couldn't ban 5.45 importation just because he or anyone else was manufacturing 5.45 pistols......
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:10:00 AM EDT
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May fuck be upon that little prick. He has made a crusade out of doing shit that will screw gunowners in the ass.

Embody is arguably as bad or worse than BATFE on any given day.
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This whole situation feels like a classic pump and dump.  Some non-scrupulous ammo dealer more than likely drew up this "letter" to turn over some 5.45 inventory at insane prices.  With Ukraine going on, BHO in office and 22LR getting neckbearded everywhere, it won't take much to get the sheep stampeding.

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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:14:56 AM EDT
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So I guess you guys think MAC is full of shit, huh?  I thought he was a trustworthy source, so I'm seriously asking.
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Yuri Orlov is not amused:

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All I can say is that the letter is legit....perhaps you should submit an F6 for some 7n6 and let us know the result.  
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Another consideration is that if ATF goes down this road...FFLs/SOTs will no longer be able to sell it....  just like they can't sell the Chinese steel core thats floating around...



This if it were somehow illegal ALL major importers/sellers would know about it and at a minimum would be on a temp hold on orders until everything were sorted out. And since its still forsale at almost all major places im going with bull shit.



All I can say is that the letter is legit....perhaps you should submit an F6 for some 7n6 and let us know the result.  


You're right its on the internet is must be true.
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Not so much, he was talking about how everyone should stock up on 545 before he introduced them.

He knew he was playing with fire, and didn't have a care in the world about it.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:50:51 AM EDT
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You know, this is happening awfully close to 4/1.  I cant help but think thi is a setup for an April Fools joke.
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Because there is zero wiggle room for them in the definition in the federal code.  They do not have any "interpretive" power or regulatory discretion here.  The definition is too explicit and specific for any of their fast-and-loose games to stand up for even a moment to a well-placed lawsuit, and the last thing they want to risk is a ruling against them that builds unfavorable precedent.

Do I believe they want to?  Hell yes.  They'd line us all up and shoot us if they thought they could get away with it.  But I also believe they're cagey enough to look at this with a risk-benefit analysis and know that they stand very little chance of their normal shenanigans working in this instance, and the likelihood and magnitude of setbacks seriously outweigh what they might gain from it.
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This whole situation feels like a classic pump and dump.  Some non-scrupulous ammo dealer more than likely drew up this "letter" to turn over some 5.45 inventory at insane prices.  With Ukraine going on, BHO in office and 22LR getting neckbearded everywhere, it won't take much to get the sheep stampeding.

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that eggzactaly what I'm thinking.. total pump and dump..
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Not so much, he was talking about how everyone should stock up on 545 before he introduced them.

He knew he was playing with fire, and didn't have a care in the world about it.
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He said ATF couldn't ban 5.45 importation just because he or anyone else was manufacturing 5.45 pistols......



Not so much, he was talking about how everyone should stock up on 545 before he introduced them.

He knew he was playing with fire, and didn't have a care in the world about it.




He is a dick.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 7:59:23 AM EDT
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Oh look, our ammo sources in this country are in some form of unquantifiable danger.....


Just another Friday afternoon. Nothing to see here.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 8:13:58 AM EDT
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One of Yeager's disciples works at Century International, as a sales guy. If you've watched many Yeager videos, you'll have likely seen him in a few. The same guy used to work for Red Jacket, has taken probably every course Yeager offers, is an adjunct instructor for him, and has been a devoted follower of Yeager's since Yeager was posting on Lightfighter, even before the Route Irish incident. If the letter is legit, he's likely the source of it.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 8:29:31 AM EDT
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I remember when the ban on part kits' barrels spread around. Everyone said it was bs,  some made calls to the atf and couldn't find a true answer even then. Low and behold it did happen.

Not that I believe it but it takes awhile.
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There are still parts kits coming in every day.
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I remember when the ban on part kits' barrels spread around. Everyone said it was bs,  some made calls to the atf and couldn't find a true answer even then. Low and behold it did happen.

Not that I believe it but it takes awhile.



There are still parts kits coming in every day.



Yeah with no barrel.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 8:36:27 AM EDT
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
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So ya got nuthin?




Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?



Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue



ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick




So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?




For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it








 
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 8:38:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 8:57:06 AM EDT
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Yeah with no barrel.
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I remember when the ban on part kits' barrels spread around. Everyone said it was bs,  some made calls to the atf and couldn't find a true answer even then. Low and behold it did happen.

Not that I believe it but it takes awhile.



There are still parts kits coming in every day.



Yeah with no barrel.



Which fucking blows hardcore, and the main reason I got out of AKs.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:03:11 AM EDT
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
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So ya got nuthin?




Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?



Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue



ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick




So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?




For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?



 
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:07:00 AM EDT
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MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?
 
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So ya got nuthin?


Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick


So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?


For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?
 

Im not gonna get all crazy about an Email.. Ive seen an ATF agent write a memo that completely disregards policy and is contradicted by a different agent written 5 minutes later concerning the same question
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:07:19 AM EDT
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we are only seeing the bottom half of the letter because of the importer wishes...doubters should call that number.. the rest of it is above the ditch

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Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:08:16 AM EDT
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MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?
 
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So ya got nuthin?


Do you? Do you have some secret squirrel info that your withholding from all of us? Do tell.. Are you a distributor ?

Or does the ATF normally send out emails without an official ATF letterhead memo format in comic sans and birdshit blue

ETA : Speaking of birds..why are you gobbling up Yagers dick


So,  for the record, it is your contention that the email is not real and that the ATF or it's import branch employee is not taking the position that 5.45 surplus is no longer suitable for import?


For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?
 



He was referring to Yeager.
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:19:58 AM EDT
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He was referring to Yeager.
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For the record ..until I get this information from a more credible source than a liar and a coward I'm not going to believe it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it
MAC is neither a liar nor a coward. Have you read his blog posting on this?


 

He was referring to Yeager.
Right... MAC is "the more credible" source




 
 
Link Posted: 3/28/2014 9:50:48 AM EDT
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Why is this even a discussion?  PMC X-Tac M855 is imported steel core ammo that is commonly used in AR pistols, so if THATS not restricted then WTF would they restrict 5.45 for?
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