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So what is the difference between 300BLK and 7.62x39? Oh, about $1000.00 Well, i think when everybody thinks of those types of comparisons, they are mainly thinking of suppressed subsonic .300 Blackout. Hardly anybody ever thinks about or mentions subsonic 7.62X39. I think everybody just assumes that subsonic 7.62X39 won't cycle an AK. So to really make .300 Blackout shine you have to own a suppressor. What is a .308 muzzle can costing nowadays? Then there is the $200 tax stamp. Then you have to reload, so that's probably a good $300. I think somebody else mentioned $2,000 . That sounds about right. You don't have to make it subsonic for it to be worth anything. Yeah, I understand that. Just being an AR has inherit value. If you're in a state that won't let you hunt with .223, then there is value in hunting with an AR that is not a .223. What makes it mo'betta versus 7.62X39 is its suppressed subsonic performance in an AR15. That would be #1, I think on everybody's list. #2 would be the parts interchangeability/modularity between it and a regular .223 AR15. I'm stuck in Illinois , where we can't have muzzle cans, so I won't be selling off my 7.62X39 AR any time soon. |
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so...did he get one for review?
http://soldiersystems.net/2014/01/04/ya-gotta-admit-the-man-brings-up-an-interesting-point/ |
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Yeah, I understand that. Just being an AR has inherit value. If you're in a state that won't let you hunt with .223, then there is value in hunting with an AR that is not a .223. What makes it mo'betta versus 7.62X39 is its suppressed subsonic performance in an AR15. That would be #1, I think on everybody's list. #2 would be the parts interchangeability/modularity between it and a regular .223 AR15. I'm stuck in Illinois , where we can't have muzzle cans, so I won't be selling off my 7.62X39 AR any time soon. View Quote I understand your position. I grew up in IL so know the culture very well. I think the reloading capabilities and the no feeding issues of the 300 blk make it worth it. |
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What the fuck is up with the beards? Kinda like over the top piercings and tattoos, in my opinion.
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You are like clockwork with that. (And you get me every time. LOL.) |
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View Quote That afghani is guilty |
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Here's how it works:
The 30-30: 150 grains @ 2400 fps = mediocre fudd deer caliber of moderate power for 125 yards range or so The 300 blackout: 125 grains @ 2200 fps = TACTICAL 300 YARD DEER VAPORIZER THAT IS AN AWESOME-SHOCK-AND-AWE-OGIZER Suppressed 9mm = 130 decibels of disappointing loudness Suppressed 300 blackout = 130 decibels of soul-gratifying SILENCE Personally I don't see what the big hype is about, it seems to me that putting a 30 caliber bullet into a 223 case is an obvious wildcat cartridge that should have popped up in the gun magazines about one month after the cartridge was introduced There isn't any size bullet on earth that hobby wildcatters didn't stuff into a 308 Winchester case when it came out, some of which became very successful commercial cartridges. But somehow this miracle of sticking a 30 bullet into a 223 case was ignored for decades, almost as if it was a dumb waste of time For some reason it took 40 years for it to suddenly become the BEST THING EVER |
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JD Jones created the 300 Whisper in the early 90s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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But for some reason it took 40 years for it to suddenly become the BEST THING EVER JD Jones created the 300 Whisper in the early 90s. ya but don't let that get in the way of a cyborg543 troll.. |
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But for some reason it took 40 years for it to suddenly become the BEST THING EVER JD Jones created the 300 Whisper in the early 90s. Either way it took 30 years for everyone to get around to putting a 30 caliber head into a 223 sized case and deciding it was beyond awesome. Something doesn't compute here: either all the world's hobby wildcatters ignored the most obvious wildcat of all time, or the cartridge was not considered worthwhile for the last 30 years. Note that Winchester was factory loading 243 Winchester cartridges, a 308 wildcat, just 3 years after the 308 was introduced commercially. |
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Yeager "if you can hear the difference in 2db I'll kiss your ass".
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Quoted: I know right! Start looking for my swaging equipment to start showing up the in the EE.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This development has changed my opinion of the .300 Blackout from one of indifference to mild dislike. I know right! Start looking for my swaging equipment to start showing up the in the EE.. How to kill a brand? Yeager endorsement. IM me directly, no need to EE on that. FJY and all that, but my guns, gear, ammo exist without his opinion/approval/endorsement. Thank god he didn't endorse oxygen, or I would have to begrudge every breath I take. |
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But for some reason it took 40 years for it to suddenly become the BEST THING EVER JD Jones created the 300 Whisper in the early 90s. ya but don't let that get in the way of a cyborg543 troll.. yes, stating the obvious or using any critical thinking at all is considered trolling by the fanboys care to point out any factual or logic errors, or are you just going to do your usual bullshit? |
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Here's how it works: The 30-30: 150 grains @ 2400 fps = mediocre fudd deer caliber of moderate power for 125 yards range or so The 300 blackout: 125 grains @ 2200 fps = TACTICAL 300 YARD DEER VAPORIZER THAT IS AN AWESOME-SHOCK-AND-AWE-OGIZER Suppressed 9mm = 130 decibels of disappointing loudness Suppressed 300 blackout = 130 decibels of soul-gratifying SILENCE Personally I don't see what the big hype is about, it seems to me that putting a 30 caliber bullet into a 223 case is an obvious wildcat cartridge that should have popped up in the gun magazines about one month after the cartridge was introduced There isn't any size bullet on earth that hobby wildcatters didn't stuff into a 308 Winchester case when it came out, some of which became very successful commercial cartridges. But somehow this miracle of sticking a 30 bullet into a 223 case was ignored for decades, almost as if it was a dumb waste of time For some reason it took 40 years for it to suddenly become the BEST THING EVER View Quote Interesting points. |
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I smell false flag. The 6.8 fanboys paid Yeager off (probably in Russian horse steroids, trailer park crank, and gay porn), in an attempt to take market share away from the .300BLK. View Quote Nah, we just let them talk. We enjoy the comic relief! I can't figure out how a 150gr 2400fps is only a 175yards deer rifle.. But, a 125gr bullet going 200fps slower is somehow a 300yard deer vaporizer? Does it mean a 7.62x39 is also a 300 yard deer slayer? Oh, FWIW the .300 Blk was the .300 Whisper years ago. Also, it is based on the .223. But, it takes a little more work than a neck expansion die. |
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well the merits of the cartridge are open to debate, it has a certain amount of charm to some people
but can you think of any other product that been more over-hyped ever? Last thread I saw on the 300 someone said it was "quieter than a typewriter" they actually seriously wrote that what is the point of writing something like that? |
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So an AAC employee really likes 300BLK and can spout off the talking points...And his son with matching hairdos and beard look eats it all up like a fat kid on a cup cake.
I like my .300 BLK. I prefer to read the brochure and avoid the sales pitch by the homoerotic version of zz top. |
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Good 5.56 is going to do as much damage as .300blk. But either way, with a Geisselle trigger a competent shooter can be so fast that the Tac-Con is a waste of money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Still not interested. I priced everything out a while back, and with converting my 650 to reload 300Blk, components, upper, sacrificial brass... It was a $2000 investment... for what? It does a lot of things well, but I don't need one gun that does a lot of things. I'd rather just drop a Tac-Con trigger and a 40-round PMAG into an SBR'd 5.56, and shoot a home invaded a lot of times, rather than spend $2k to only need to shoot him once or twice. Good 5.56 is going to do as much damage as .300blk. But either way, with a Geisselle trigger a competent shooter can be so fast that the Tac-Con is a waste of money. 5.56 from an 8.5" barrel won't do what 300BLK will do from the same: expand to 300m. Nor can I legally use a 5.56 for deer in many states. |
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Are you James Yeager? You sure go out of your way to post in every Yeager thread. You also seem to have first hand knowledge about him like in your above post. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My guess is he had to post something taped at Shot to write off his trip. Every time I saw him go by he had a 3 or 4 man film crew with him....so he probably has some footage. Are you James Yeager? You sure go out of your way to post in every Yeager thread. You also seem to have first hand knowledge about him like in your above post. If you were at Shot Show he was hard to miss.... |
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Yeager is a douche... he knows nothing about guns. On one of his vids he pronounced Geissele as "jizzelle" and has nothing tangible to say about his guns other than "it works, it shoots well".
Just a good marketer with preppers as a target audience. His resume is thin at best consisting of small town cop experience and some security work in Iraq. My neighbor's kid has more combat experience than him having been in Iraq for a couple of years. Threatening to kill people makes him a direct threat to the 2nd Amendment. We should not support this guy at all. I must admit though, he does provide entertainment value and he is fun to hate. |
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Here's how it works: The 30-30: 150 grains @ 2400 fps = mediocre fudd deer caliber of moderate power for 125 yards range or so The 300 blackout: 125 grains @ 2200 fps = TACTICAL 300 YARD DEER VAPORIZER THAT IS AN AWESOME-SHOCK-AND-AWE-OGIZER View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Here's how it works: The 30-30: 150 grains @ 2400 fps = mediocre fudd deer caliber of moderate power for 125 yards range or so The 300 blackout: 125 grains @ 2200 fps = TACTICAL 300 YARD DEER VAPORIZER THAT IS AN AWESOME-SHOCK-AND-AWE-OGIZER Who has ever said that? Are you aiming that at enthusiastic hunters? Guys actually get out of the basement, and go kill animals, have found it to be a perfect cartridge for their needs? Because it is a good deer cartridge? OMGWTFBBQ 125grs at 2200fps out of an 8" barrel, operating an AR style rifle. 2400fps out of longer 16" barrels. Suppressed 9mm = 130 decibels of disappointing loudness Suppressed 300 blackout = 130 decibels of soul-gratifying SILENCE Lol, that is the coolest part! A silenced, subsonic rifle round that compares in decibels to a silenced, subsonic pistol round? Fuck yeah, that is awesome! Anecdotally, for a rifle caliber, shooting subsonics, my silenced 300BO is significantly quieter than my silenced 9mm, also shooting subsonics. Mostly due to the blowback operation of the 9mm, it has louder port noise. We can argue decibels all day long, but you can't stretch a 9mm anywhere near as far as a 300blk. And, shooting subsonic 300BO through an AR is absolutely fun as hell. Personally I don't see what the big hype is about, it seems to me that putting a 30 caliber bullet into a 223 case is an obvious wildcat cartridge that should have popped up in the gun magazines about one month after the cartridge was introduced 300 Black Out isn't a Wildcat, it's a SAAMI spec cartridge that has taken off like crazy. It's fine if you don't see what the hype is about, those of us (and man, there sure are a lot of us) who like, it will continue to enjoy it. There isn't any size bullet on earth that hobby wildcatters didn't stuff into a 308 Winchester case when it came out, some of which became very successful commercial cartridges. But somehow this miracle of sticking a 30 bullet into a 223 case was ignored for decades, almost as if it was a dumb waste of time You literally contradict yourself here, it's cute. Guess what happened to that "Wildcat that someone stuffed a .30 cal bullet into? It is in its infancy of becoming a very successful commercial cartridge. Because AAC and Remington slightly modified JD Jones cartridge, and did what he refused to do for years - actually got it approved as a SAAMI spec cartridge. It also happens to function perfectly in ARs at a time of that rifles greatest commercial popularity in history isn't anything more than the right product, at the right time, just like how many products take off. |
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Awesome vid!!!!
He did block me from Facebook, but I don't eat Cheetos or hang in my mom's basement... |
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Who has ever said that? Are you aiming that at enthusiastic hunters? Guys actually get out of the basement, and go kill animals, have found it to be a perfect cartridge for their needs? Because it is a good deer cartridge? OMGWTFBBQ 125grs at 2200fps out of an 8" barrel, operating an AR style rifle. 2400fps out of longer 16" barrels. Lol, that is the coolest part! A silenced, subsonic rifle round that compares in decibels to a silenced, subsonic pistol round? Fuck yeah, that is awesome! Anecdotally, for a rifle caliber, shooting subsonics, my silenced 300BO is significantly quieter than my silenced 9mm, also shooting subsonics. Mostly due to the blowback operation of the 9mm, it has louder port noise. We can argue decibels all day long, but you can't stretch a 9mm anywhere near as far as a 300blk. And, shooting subsonic 300BO through an AR is absolutely fun as hell. 300 Black Out isn't a Wildcat, it's a SAAMI spec cartridge that has taken off like crazy. It's fine if you don't see what the hype is about, those of us (and man, there sure are a lot of us) who like, it will continue to enjoy it. You literally contradict yourself here, it's cute. Guess what happened to that "Wildcat that someone stuffed a .30 cal bullet into? It is in its infancy of becoming a very successful commercial cartridge. Because AAC and Remington slightly modified JD Jones cartridge, and did what he refused to do for years - actually got it approved as a SAAMI spec cartridge. It also happens to function perfectly in ARs at a time of that rifles greatest commercial popularity in history isn't anything more than the right product, at the right time, just like how many products take off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here's how it works: The 30-30: 150 grains @ 2400 fps = mediocre fudd deer caliber of moderate power for 125 yards range or so The 300 blackout: 125 grains @ 2200 fps = TACTICAL 300 YARD DEER VAPORIZER THAT IS AN AWESOME-SHOCK-AND-AWE-OGIZER Who has ever said that? Are you aiming that at enthusiastic hunters? Guys actually get out of the basement, and go kill animals, have found it to be a perfect cartridge for their needs? Because it is a good deer cartridge? OMGWTFBBQ 125grs at 2200fps out of an 8" barrel, operating an AR style rifle. 2400fps out of longer 16" barrels. Suppressed 9mm = 130 decibels of disappointing loudness Suppressed 300 blackout = 130 decibels of soul-gratifying SILENCE Lol, that is the coolest part! A silenced, subsonic rifle round that compares in decibels to a silenced, subsonic pistol round? Fuck yeah, that is awesome! Anecdotally, for a rifle caliber, shooting subsonics, my silenced 300BO is significantly quieter than my silenced 9mm, also shooting subsonics. Mostly due to the blowback operation of the 9mm, it has louder port noise. We can argue decibels all day long, but you can't stretch a 9mm anywhere near as far as a 300blk. And, shooting subsonic 300BO through an AR is absolutely fun as hell. Personally I don't see what the big hype is about, it seems to me that putting a 30 caliber bullet into a 223 case is an obvious wildcat cartridge that should have popped up in the gun magazines about one month after the cartridge was introduced 300 Black Out isn't a Wildcat, it's a SAAMI spec cartridge that has taken off like crazy. It's fine if you don't see what the hype is about, those of us (and man, there sure are a lot of us) who like, it will continue to enjoy it. There isn't any size bullet on earth that hobby wildcatters didn't stuff into a 308 Winchester case when it came out, some of which became very successful commercial cartridges. But somehow this miracle of sticking a 30 bullet into a 223 case was ignored for decades, almost as if it was a dumb waste of time You literally contradict yourself here, it's cute. Guess what happened to that "Wildcat that someone stuffed a .30 cal bullet into? It is in its infancy of becoming a very successful commercial cartridge. Because AAC and Remington slightly modified JD Jones cartridge, and did what he refused to do for years - actually got it approved as a SAAMI spec cartridge. It also happens to function perfectly in ARs at a time of that rifles greatest commercial popularity in history isn't anything more than the right product, at the right time, just like how many products take off. LOL BURN, seriously I hate GD sometimes cause of the mistruths that get spouted. KingOfBumps |
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I've got a shitload of .30 bullets sitting around. It's nice to know I can buy a barrel, chop down some 5.56 brass and be off to the races in an afternoon.
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I'll second that suppressed subsonic 300 Blk is quieter than suppressed subsonic 9mm. I've shot my 300 Blk AR outside with no ear-pro and it's quieter than suppressed 9mm. AAC 762 SDN-6 on the 300 Blk and AAC Ti-Rant 9mm on a Sig P226.
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Still not interested. I priced everything out a while back, and with converting my 650 to reload 300Blk, components, upper, sacrificial brass... It was a $2000 investment... for what? It does a lot of things well, but I don't need one gun that does a lot of things. I'd rather just drop a Tac-Con trigger and a 40-round PMAG into an SBR'd 5.56, and shoot a home invaded a lot of times, rather than spend $2k to only need to shoot him once or twice. Good 5.56 is going to do as much damage as .300blk. But either way, with a Geisselle trigger a competent shooter can be so fast that the Tac-Con is a waste of money. 5.56 from an 8.5" barrel won't do what 300BLK will do from the same: expand to 300m. Nor can I legally use a 5.56 for deer in many states. I use an 11.5, not worried about 8.5 performance. I can hunt legally in my state. Life is good. |
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Yeager "if you can hear the difference in 2db I'll kiss your ass". Well dumbass since it is a logarithmic scale and every 3db is twice as loud, pucker up dumb ass. Generally people can't hear a 2-3 dB difference. Deaf people |
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Yeager "if you can hear the difference in 2db I'll kiss your ass". Well dumbass since it is a logarithmic scale and every 3db is twice as loud, pucker up dumb ass. Generally people can't hear a 2-3 dB difference. Deaf people http://www.acousticsbydesign.com/acoustics-blog/perception-vs-reality.htm Perception Sound studies tell us time and again that a 3dBA increase in sound level is barely noticeable to the human ear. In fact, you have to raise a sound level by 5dBA before most listeners report a noticeable or significant change. Further, it takes a 10dBA increase before the average listener hears “double the sound.” That’s a far cry from 3dB. This is about continuous noise and short duration noises like gunshots are harder to gauge. |
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