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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:26:21 PM EDT
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Depends on why. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:27:12 PM EDT
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Trick question.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:27:47 PM EDT
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Were they of a certain political party? |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:27:59 PM EDT
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Honestly I just don't know
the situation will make a big difference. the fact our justice system is fucked,would he get a fair trial? would make a difference. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:28:00 PM EDT
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Sorry with the line you said BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER. Plus hiding him after he's murdered 3 innocient people. There's no way in hell you'd kill your son. Your own actions say your lying Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Probably any level necessary. But this is a completely different scenario than a murder that has already happened. This doesn't really make alot of sense from a personal rights standpoint. Once the murder is done I can’t help the victims. Their personal rights have already been violated. They’re dead Jim. That genie is not going back in the bottle. Before the crime happens I’d do everything I could to protect their personal rights. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, murder...as in not self defense or any of the wild action movie scenarios here about hunting down rapists or whatever. In your small town 3 members of a family are stabbed to death in their home in the middle of the night. These are good, upstanding citizens. These are the last people this would happen to in the kind of place where "this stuff just doesn't happen." After month your son, who was friends with the deceased, comes to you and admits to the killing because the deceased had been "annoying" him. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:28:25 PM EDT
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I bet all the circumstances where you would say no could be classified as self defense and other things that aren't murder, correct? |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:29:11 PM EDT
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Punishment is what stops people from committing crimes. We don't say "Oh, go rape this woman, you'll never hear a world about it again. Besides, you're not going to wear that thing out so no harm no foul." We say "if you rape that woman, you might be sentenced to death, you might go to prison, and you might get ass raped every day. Is that worth the risk?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Why not? I’d lock him in a cabin in the woods if necessary. I don’t believe in murdering innocent people. I also think punishment is a crock. It doesn’t bring the victims back. Prevention is justified though. We “punish” because prevention is too hard. 
Or perhaps better said, I agree with you. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:30:20 PM EDT
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What I’ve learned in this thread is to not tell OP anything illegal I’ve done because he’ll snitch on me
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:30:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Punishment is what stops people from committing crimes. We don't say "Oh, go rape this woman, you'll never hear a world about it again. Besides, you're not going to wear that thing out so no harm no foul." We say "if you rape that woman, you might be sentenced to death, you might go to prison, and you might get ass raped every day. Is that worth the risk?" Otherwise, you're telling me that if you knew for a fact that you wouldn't go to jail, you would run around raping and murdering indiscriminately? Threat of punishment just has a minor effect on whether they break malum prohibitum laws. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:31:46 PM EDT
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In this thread we get to see who has a moral compass and who doesn't. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:31:57 PM EDT
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hmm number 2 would still depend for me, on if he was using, or planning on selling, then I would probably have to turn him in. If someone he knew died from the shitbags selling, then no. It would literally have to be 3 innocent people for no good reason before there would be no question about turning him in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he murdered two shitbags that kidnapped his daughter and raped her: NO WAY. If he murdered two shitbags in a robbery to steal their drugs: YES. If someone he knew died from the shitbags selling, then no. It would literally have to be 3 innocent people for no good reason before there would be no question about turning him in. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:34:30 PM EDT
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In this thread we get to see who has a moral compass and who doesn't. Before war ever broke out there was all sorts of illegal but justified murder and you're alive and comfortable because of it |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:35:37 PM EDT
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Lol. The threat of punishment is not what stops the vast majority of people from malum in se crimes like murder and rape. We see enough of these crimes every year that it's fairly obvious that people don't fear incarceration. Most people don't commit malum in se crimes because they have been taught societal and cultural morals from birth. It's why different cultures have different standards for murder, rape, etc. Otherwise, you're telling me that if you knew for a fact that you wouldn't go to jail, you would run around raping and murdering indiscriminately? Threat of punishment just has a minor effect on whether they break malum prohibitum laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Punishment is what stops people from committing crimes. We don't say "Oh, go rape this woman, you'll never hear a world about it again. Besides, you're not going to wear that thing out so no harm no foul." We say "if you rape that woman, you might be sentenced to death, you might go to prison, and you might get ass raped every day. Is that worth the risk?" Otherwise, you're telling me that if you knew for a fact that you wouldn't go to jail, you would run around raping and murdering indiscriminately? Threat of punishment just has a minor effect on whether they break malum prohibitum laws. For example, I know that it is safe to drive 60mph in many 50mph zones. Yet I don’t because the ticket isn’t worth it. I also know that I could convert my AR15 to fully auto and I would never use it to commit a crime. In fact, it would be completely moral and no harm would come of it. Yet I don’t, because punishment. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:36:21 PM EDT
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Depends on the circumstances but 99% of the time yes, absolutely. For it to be a no, it would have to be the reason of the century. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. The threat of punishment is not what stops the vast majority of people from malum in se crimes like murder and rape. We see enough of these crimes every year that it's fairly obvious that people don't fear incarceration. Most people don't commit malum in se crimes because they have been taught societal and cultural morals from birth. It's why different cultures have different standards for murder, rape, etc. Otherwise, you're telling me that if you knew for a fact that you wouldn't go to jail, you would run around raping and murdering indiscriminately? Threat of punishment just has a minor effect on whether they break malum prohibitum laws. It's really one of the few bedrock reasons why we, as a society, put up with having a government at all. To outsource justice to an entity with think is distinct from ourselves and has more authority than us. To say what you're saying in another way, if the majority of people were willing to go around murdering people, they wouldn't have created a government and surrendered their authority to handle justice to it in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:41:36 PM EDT
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Shitty Parent Story Time
Years ago there was a crash by where I live. A teenage kid ran a red light and he t-boned a truck with his truck. Fucker was going so fast that the impact drove both vehicles through the intersection, crashing them into a car that was stopped in the opposite lane. The speed and impact killed the 2 occupants and dog in the car. Today there are 3 giant crosses at the intersection. Official story is he wasn’t paying attention, made a grievous mistake, and just didn’t see the light. He got probation. I know for a fact that he was racing his Dad at the time, saw the light change, and kept going. The dad stopped at the light and he didn’t. Dad lied for his son to police. What really piss me off is that the parents got him another vehicle where he was filmed a couple months after the accident doing donuts in a parking lot with friends. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:42:28 PM EDT
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There is no morality in punishment. It is something we, rightfully, do to prevent further crimes. Punishment has never undone a crime or brought a victim back to life. It has, however, prevented many further crimes from happening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. I’d help hide the bodies if necessary. Blood is stronger than water. Just being honest. If your son were to MURDER, RAPE, EVEN RAPE OR MURDER CHILDREN, STEAL, ROB INNOCIENT PEOPLE. Blood is thicker than water. If you'd not turn your son in for murdering innocient people. Then you most certainly would not for the above crimes  I agree with earlier poster. We will see who lacks morals here. What about the blood of those innocient people he slaughtered.  you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. I know this is all hypothetical. But the statements are not. The lack of any morals after reading your justifications for not turning in a murder. Is beyond me. I can honestly say I've never met anyone like you. I hope I never do again with your mindset. Im through with you and will be my first block. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:43:31 PM EDT
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Shitty Parent Story Time Years ago there was a crash by where I live. A teenage kid ran a red light and he t-boned a truck with his truck. Fucker was going so fast that the impact drove both vehicles through the intersection, crashing them into a car that was stopped in the opposite lane. The speed and impact killed the 2 occupants and dog in the car. Today there are 3 giant crosses at the intersection. Official story is he wasn’t paying attention, made a grievous mistake, and just didn’t see the light. He got probation. I know for a fact that he was racing his Dad at the time, saw the light change, and kept going. The dad stopped at the light and he didn’t. Dad lied for his son to police. What really piss me off is that the parents got him another vehicle where he was filmed a couple months after the accident doing donuts in a parking lot with friends. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:44:30 PM EDT
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You sir are an you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. Im through with you and will be my first block. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. I’d help hide the bodies if necessary. Blood is stronger than water. Just being honest. If your son were to MURDER, RAPE, EVEN RAPE OR MURDER CHILDREN, STEAL, ROB INNOCIENT PEOPLE. Blood is thicker than water. If you'd not turn your son in for murdering innocient people. Then you most certainly would not for the above crimes I agree with earlier poster. We will see who lacks morals here. What about the blood of those innocient people he slaughtered. you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. Im through with you and will be my first block. 
It’s just so concerning that you won’t be able to read my posts going forward. Whatever will I do?? |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:44:48 PM EDT
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You sir are an you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. Im through with you and will be my first block. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. I’d help hide the bodies if necessary. Blood is stronger than water. Just being honest. If your son were to MURDER, RAPE, EVEN RAPE OR MURDER CHILDREN, STEAL, ROB INNOCIENT PEOPLE. Blood is thicker than water. If you'd not turn your son in for murdering innocient people. Then you most certainly would not for the above crimes I agree with earlier poster. We will see who lacks morals here. What about the blood of those innocient people he slaughtered. you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. Im through with you and will be my first block. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well said. Although I imagine it is more than minor for some things. For example, I know that it is safe to drive 60mph in many 50mph zones. Yet I don’t because the ticket isn’t worth it. I also know that I could convert my AR15 to fully auto and I would never use it to commit a crime. In fact, it would be completely moral and no harm would come of it. Yet I don’t, because punishment. But that threshold of "worth it" is different for each individual. 10 mph over? I would say you're more of a rule follower than the vast majority of people I know. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:46:12 PM EDT
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I couldn't imagine being in that man's shoes. It's fucking ridiculous to blame the dad. The kid was a psycho and his brother and sister didn't murder anyone.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Oh no!! I feel sooo... punished Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. I’d help hide the bodies if necessary. Blood is stronger than water. Just being honest. If your son were to MURDER, RAPE, EVEN RAPE OR MURDER CHILDREN, STEAL, ROB INNOCIENT PEOPLE. Blood is thicker than water. If you'd not turn your son in for murdering innocient people. Then you most certainly would not for the above crimes I agree with earlier poster. We will see who lacks morals here. What about the blood of those innocient people he slaughtered. you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. Im through with you and will be my first block. I'm done as well, to bad a can't block
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:46:35 PM EDT
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Since the question is if he murdered 3 people...
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:46:57 PM EDT
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Depends on who he killed.
Joke. 
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:46:59 PM EDT
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Of course. But that threshold of "worth it" is different for each individual. 10 mph over? I would say you're more of a rule follower than the vast majority of people I know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Well said. Although I imagine it is more than minor for some things. For example, I know that it is safe to drive 60mph in many 50mph zones. Yet I don’t because the ticket isn’t worth it. I also know that I could convert my AR15 to fully auto and I would never use it to commit a crime. In fact, it would be completely moral and no harm would come of it. Yet I don’t, because punishment. But that threshold of "worth it" is different for each individual. 10 mph over? I would say you're more of a rule follower than the vast majority of people I know. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:47:42 PM EDT
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Loyalty to my Blood line is absolute.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The threat of punishment is really more of a promise of punishment meant for the survivors of victims and society at large than a threat to would-be criminals. It's really one of the few bedrock reasons why we, as a society, put up with having a government at all. To outsource justice to an entity with think is distinct from ourselves and has more authority than us. To say what you're saying in another way, if the majority of people were willing to go around murdering people, they wouldn't have created a government and surrendered their authority to handle justice to it in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:49:07 PM EDT
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No. He’d be outed by the CSI’s in a few days. No need to rat him out.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:49:58 PM EDT
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And if the murder victim was an Untouchable pedo that has raped and murdered children, and will continue to do so, but will never face justice because of connections? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of the responses are really freaking me out. Fuck. To me "murder" is murder and wrong. Not drug dealers, rapists, thugs INNOCIENT PEOPLE. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:52:05 PM EDT
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Depends. Cold blooded murder like robbing a gas station?
They wouldnt find the body..... Kill a couple people in a bar fight he didn't start? Probably not. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:52:11 PM EDT
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Some people in here need some mental health evaluations...
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:53:20 PM EDT
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Absolutely! And anyone who wouldn't is a cocksucker!  In the Bedroom (11/11) Movie CLIP - The Murder (2001) HD Then again, I don't have a son. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:53:22 PM EDT
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Yeah depends, did the people deserve to die? Or was your kid just a total psycho? If psycho I'd kill the kid myself. If they deserved it, I would help cover it up.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:54:22 PM EDT
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Nah, we pretty much already realize you don't have enough integrity or morals to feel period. I'm done as well, to bad a can't block Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. I’d help hide the bodies if necessary. Blood is stronger than water. Just being honest. If your son were to MURDER, RAPE, EVEN RAPE OR MURDER CHILDREN, STEAL, ROB INNOCIENT PEOPLE. Blood is thicker than water. If you'd not turn your son in for murdering innocient people. Then you most certainly would not for the above crimes I agree with earlier poster. We will see who lacks morals here. What about the blood of those innocient people he slaughtered. you have zero morals and mental problem. It's parents like you that murders, serial killers, mass shooter, rapist come from. You raise them without any morals because you have none.It has nothing to do with undoing a crime. It's called paying for the crime committed. Without these laws society would collapse into chaos. Your son killed 3 INNOCIENT PEOPLE and your like OH I'll punish him for it don't worry about. It don't work that way. You are a sorry excuse for a human being to condone your son's actions. To condone murder with without consequences. Your idea of punishment of parental spanking does not cut. You deserve the same punishment as your son. This has turned out to be a very informative post. To expose those with no morals nor respect for others lifes. Im through with you and will be my first block. I'm done as well, to bad a can't block Log out and back in I wouldn’t want to be accused of exposing you to critical thought |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:54:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was not the question by the OP. OP stated 3 innocient outstanding people. That never hurt anyone. Not drug dealers, rapists, thugs INNOCIENT PEOPLE. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:55:05 PM EDT
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I think a better question would be, would you help your son conceal three killings you knew were justifiable but which you were reasonably sure he stood a good chance of having his life ruined by if caught? |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:55:21 PM EDT
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Can people not read?
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:55:46 PM EDT
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Some people in here need some mental health evaluations... |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:56:02 PM EDT
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I'm sorry but I have no recollection of that conversation or event. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think a better question would be, would you help your son conceal three killings you knew were justifiable but which you were reasonably sure he stood a good chance of having his life ruined by if caught? |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:56:05 PM EDT
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Lol. The threat of punishment is not what stops the vast majority of people from malum in se crimes like murder and rape. We see enough of these crimes every year that it's fairly obvious that people don't fear incarceration. Most people don't commit malum in se crimes because they have been taught societal and cultural morals from birth. It's why different cultures have different standards for murder, rape, etc. Otherwise, you're telling me that if you knew for a fact that you wouldn't go to jail, you would run around raping and murdering indiscriminately? Threat of punishment just has a minor effect on whether they break malum prohibitum laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Punishment is what stops people from committing crimes. We don't say "Oh, go rape this woman, you'll never hear a world about it again. Besides, you're not going to wear that thing out so no harm no foul." We say "if you rape that woman, you might be sentenced to death, you might go to prison, and you might get ass raped every day. Is that worth the risk?" Otherwise, you're telling me that if you knew for a fact that you wouldn't go to jail, you would run around raping and murdering indiscriminately? Threat of punishment just has a minor effect on whether they break malum prohibitum laws. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 9:56:43 PM EDT
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Our country lost it's moral compass years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:00:16 PM EDT
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I guess that's why we own guns right? if someone tries to murder us,,, AND apparently, when a family member comes and tries to cover it up/ murder our family etc...
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:03:12 PM EDT
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Only if they didn't deserve it.
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe we should do public EXECUTIONS again. People seeing someone kicking at the end of a rope or jerking in an electric chair would be a hugh deterrent. Public executions are catharsis for the community. It's visual confirmation of justice served. It's setting things right. Dan Carlin does a pretty good job explaining this in one of his Hardcore History Blitz episodes, #61 Painfotainment. |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:05:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:07:00 PM EDT
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Some people in here need some mental health evaluations... |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:07:32 PM EDT
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If you’re going CAPS LOCK OUTRAGE, at least spell the word right - innocent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That was not the question by the OP. OP stated 3 innocient outstanding people. That never hurt anyone. Not drug dealers, rapists, thugs INNOCIENT PEOPLE. Read the damn post next time. It said INNOCIENT PEOPLE Again not mad. Did not know cap lock meant outrage |
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Posted: 8/30/2019 10:08:04 PM EDT
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