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Posted: 6/12/2007 11:46:29 AM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:

Quoted:

"This is our "approved weapons" list that we give to new people to ensure that they do not show up with their Winchester Model 70, .22 Rimfire, or Remington 700 sporting rifles"

But...

"Third, I find you can combine different types of weapons within a team to create some interesting "diversity". For instance two FR8's, "escorting" a FAL can operate within a "mini" Squad Automatic Weapons concept and still utilize the same ammo. Why not just three FAL's you ask? Well, and this is admitedly spliting hairs, but the FR8's (or any miltary bolt rifle in or converted to .308) are way more affordable, they weigh less, meaning more ammo can be carried, and the slower rate of fire conserves that ammo even further. "

Or, somewhat like a sniping concept, two SKS's, AK's, or even M1 Carbines can escort an A3-03, SMLE, or Mosin-Nagant, which can be used for some serious sharpshooting when the action is not up close and personal, and can REALLY make your back trail a bad place to be.

Does this guy realize how stupid he sounds?

A Model 700 or 70 would never make a good sniper rifle.

The only think these guys are doing is drawing attention to themselves. If the SHTF I can imagine all the "Warlords" running around MI.

ORLY?

I think that's sarcasm. Well, I hope it is.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:10:11 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Or, somewhat like a sniping concept, two SKS's, AK's, or even M1 Carbines can escort an A3-03, SMLE, or Mosin-Nagant, which can be used for some serious sharpshooting when the action is not up close and personal, and can REALLY make your back trail a bad place to be.

I own several Mosin-Nagants. I would not want to have one when the action is "up close and personal".

An Enfield action can be worked quickly with practice, but the Nagant's action is slooooow.

Av.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:18:14 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Or, somewhat like a sniping concept, two SKS's, AK's, or even M1 Carbines can escort an A3-03, SMLE, or Mosin-Nagant, which can be used for some serious sharpshooting when the action is not up close and personal, and can REALLY make your back trail a bad place to be.

I own several Mosin-Nagants. I would not want to have one when the action is "up close and personal".

An Enfield action can be worked quickly with practice, but the Nagant's action is slooooow.

Av.

pwned

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:23:06 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Or, somewhat like a sniping concept, two SKS's, AK's, or even M1 Carbines can escort an A3-03, SMLE, or Mosin-Nagant, which can be used for some serious sharpshooting when the action is not up close and personal, and can REALLY make your back trail a bad place to be.

I own several Mosin-Nagants. I would not want to have one when the action is "up close and personal".

An Enfield action can be worked quickly with practice, but the Nagant's action is slooooow.

pwned

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:24:46 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:

"This is our "approved weapons" list that we give to new people to ensure that they do not show up with their Winchester Model 70, .22 Rimfire, or Remington 700 sporting rifles"

But...

"Third, I find you can combine different types of weapons within a team to create some interesting "diversity". For instance two FR8's, "escorting" a FAL can operate within a "mini" Squad Automatic Weapons concept and still utilize the same ammo. Why not just three FAL's you ask? Well, and this is admitedly spliting hairs, but the FR8's (or any miltary bolt rifle in or converted to .308) are way more affordable, they weigh less, meaning more ammo can be carried, and the slower rate of fire conserves that ammo even further. "

Or, somewhat like a sniping concept, two SKS's, AK's, or even M1 Carbines can escort an A3-03, SMLE, or Mosin-Nagant, which can be used for some serious sharpshooting when the action is not up close and personal, and can REALLY make your back trail a bad place to be.

Does this guy realize how stupid he sounds?

A Model 700 or 70 would never make a good sniper rifle.

The only think these guys are doing is drawing attention to themselves. If the SHTF I can imagine all the "Warlords" running around MI.

ORLY?

I think that's sarcasm. Well, I hope it is.

No it wasn't - Isn't the M24 a version of the M700? Don't guys like Zak Smith and (IIRC, I've only skimmed through my copy) John Plaster recommend a Rem 700 as a "poor man's"/starter sniper rig with good rings and optics on top?

Correct if I'm wrong but at least the Remington is solid.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:27:03 PM EDT

[#6]

OPERATION: Flat Tire

UNIT: Desert Destroyers

LOCATION: Southwestern Wyoming

WARNING AND OPERATION ORDERS: None.

MISSION OBJECTIVE: Patrol to possible enemy hide out, recon the area, and take control by force.

WEAPONS: T-Dog: M-4/1911A1. JAY-L: AK47/Glock 21.

MISSION: The mission did not start well. Jay-L got a flat tire on his POV and had no spare, cell phone communication did not work in canyon area. We continued mission and made our way to a more traveled road to call in an extraction. We inserted about two klicks South of our obhective. We proceded down the canyon about 1 klick then headed East 500 meters to our recon position.

We then set up a recon postition (observation post) over looking an abandoned farm built about in the 1800's or early 1900's.

Observed farm/objective forabout an hour and a half. While Jay-L continued to observe T-Dog dumped gear and worked his way to top of canyon to call in an extraction. T-Dog then returned and squad ate lunch while making plans to assault the objective.

Objective was then assaulted from the South side, and two-man room clearing was practiced on the farm house. Barn was also then assaulted, cleared, and secured. Team then made it's way to the extraction point, and waited 40 meters off road. In case extraction vehicle failed to show preparations were made for a Night Defensive Position. (NDP) Team was then extracted and vehicle was repaired.

TOTAL KLICKS PATROLLED: 2.5

PROBLEMS: Flat tire and no spare, 40 miles from resources. Negative effect on moral.

ESCAPE AND EVASION: One truck spotted on dirt road while climbing to top of canyon. No other civilians seen or spotted.

So from what I gathered these guys never grew out of playing soldier when they were 8, and apparently take it way too seriously.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:29:37 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
No it wasn't - Isn't the M24 a version of the M700? Don't guys like Zak Smith and (IIRC, I've only skimmed through my copy) John Plaster recommend a Rem 700 as a "poor man's"/starter sniper rig with good rings and optics on top?

Correct if I'm wrong but at least the Remington is solid.

I meant sarcasm from him.

The M-24 and the M-40 are both based off of the Remington 700. The old Model 70's were used by snipers in Vietnam(Carlos Hathcock used one). The FN sniper rifles are Model 70 based.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:31:55 PM EDT

[#8]

As far as I'm concerned, I could care less how much money one spends on his
camouflage or even if he or she is a little overweight, when it comes to back
country militias. As long as there not a bunch of nut jobs running around the
countryside waiting for WWIII to start, I really don't see a problem with it. At least
they are trying to make an effort to do there part, unlike the thousands of
armchair wanna be commandos we have here on this site posing with one of
there many unfired or pampered safe queens. Now thats pathetic.

If you really think about, it doesn't really matter how advanced your weaponry
is or how up to date your gear is, because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us. So
don't tell me how I need to have the latest gear and weaponry to be an efficent
soldier. Although I do agree that using the latest weaponry and gear definitely
has it's advantages at times, I also believe that it isn't a necessity as well.

Just my .02

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:32:19 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

"This is our "approved weapons" list that we give to new people to ensure that they do not show up with their Winchester Model 70, .22 Rimfire, or Remington 700 sporting rifles"

But...

"Third, I find you can combine different types of weapons within a team to create some interesting "diversity". For instance two FR8's, "escorting" a FAL can operate within a "mini" Squad Automatic Weapons concept and still utilize the same ammo. Why not just three FAL's you ask? Well, and this is admitedly spliting hairs, but the FR8's (or any miltary bolt rifle in or converted to .308) are way more affordable, they weigh less, meaning more ammo can be carried, and the slower rate of fire conserves that ammo even further. "

Or, somewhat like a sniping concept, two SKS's, AK's, or even M1 Carbines can escort an A3-03, SMLE, or Mosin-Nagant, which can be used for some serious sharpshooting when the action is not up close and personal, and can REALLY make your back trail a bad place to be.

Does this guy realize how stupid he sounds?

A Model 700 or 70 would never make a good sniper rifle.

The only thing these guys are doing is drawing attention to themselves. If the SHTF I can imagine all the "Warlords" running around MI.

ORLY?

I think that's sarcasm. Well, I hope it is.

No it wasn't - Isn't the M24 a version of the M700? Don't guys like Zak Smith and (IIRC, I've only skimmed through my copy) John Plaster recommend a Rem 700 as a "poor man's"/starter sniper rig with good rings and optics on top?

Correct if I'm wrong but at least the Remington is solid.

Yes that was sarcasm. I believe that some of the snipers in Vietnam used commercial M 70s.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:34:01 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No it wasn't - Isn't the M24 a version of the M700? Don't guys like Zak Smith and (IIRC, I've only skimmed through my copy) John Plaster recommend a Rem 700 as a "poor man's"/starter sniper rig with good rings and optics on top?

Correct if I'm wrong but at least the Remington is solid.

I meant sarcasm from him.

The M-24 and the M-40 are both based off of the Remington 700. The old Model 70's were used by snipers in Vietnam(Carlos Hathcock used one). The FN sniper rifles are Model 70 based.

K, gotcha

oops on my part.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:36:37 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us.

Now would be a good time for you to abandon the internet and find out what is really going on in the world. We are far from getting our asses stomped in Iraq.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:38:07 PM EDT

[#12]

The Michigan Militia are good folks.

I am from Michigan and they used to always be at most of the gun shows recruiting and selling t-shirts. Their views and opinions are not even close to the radical ones the media attempts to paint on them.

In fact, the Michigan Militia keeps pretty good contact with the FBI state offices in Michigan and invites them to all their drills. They are lawful folks from middle class working backgrounds that believe that the Militia isn't a joke, but a civic duty.

Good people.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:39:30 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us.

Now would be a good time for you to abandon the internet and find out what is really going on in the world. We are far from getting our asses stomped in Iraq.

I too winced and giggled when I read that. Sadly funny or funnily sad that people form that opinion.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:47:10 PM EDT

[#14]

Turn the cameras off in Iraq and watch how quickly the "insurgent" problem gets solved.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:49:45 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
As far as I'm concerned, I could care less how much money one spends on his
camouflage or even if he or she is a little overweight, when it comes to back
country militias. As long as there not a bunch of nut jobs running around the
countryside waiting for WWIII to start, I really don't see a problem with it. At least
they are trying to make an effort to do there part, unlike the thousands of
armchair wanna be commandos we have here on this site posing with one of
there many unfired or pampered safe queens. Now thats pathetic.

If you really think about, it doesn't really matter how advanced your weaponry
is or how up to date your gear is, because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us. So
don't tell me how I need to have the latest gear and weaponry to be an efficent
soldier. Although I do agree that using the latest weaponry and gear definitely
has it's advantages at times, I also believe that it isn't a necessity as well.

Just my .02

So...what's your rank in the militia?
Judging by your screen name, I'm gonna go with a short colonel.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:51:10 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Turn the cameras off in Iraq and watch how quickly the "insurgent" problem gets solved.

Are you saying our troops would murder civilians?
That kind of an attitude isn't welcomed here.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:51:41 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
The Michigan Militia are good folks.

I am from Michigan and they used to always be at most of the gun shows recruiting and selling t-shirts. Their views and opinions are not even close to the radical ones the media attempts to paint on them.

In fact, the Michigan Militia keeps pretty good contact with the FBI state offices in Michigan and invites them to all their drills. They are lawful folks from middle class working backgrounds that believe that the Militia isn't a joke, but a civic duty.

Good people.

Then they should do some PT.

Posted: 6/12/2007 12:54:25 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The Michigan Militia are good folks.

I am from Michigan and they used to always be at most of the gun shows recruiting and selling t-shirts. Their views and opinions are not even close to the radical ones the media attempts to paint on them.

In fact, the Michigan Militia keeps pretty good contact with the FBI state offices in Michigan and invites them to all their drills. They are lawful folks from middle class working backgrounds that believe that the Militia isn't a joke, but a civic duty.

Good people.

Then they should do some PT.

Other than the one fat guy most of them look to be in fairly good shape. Perhaps that heavy individual brings something to their organization?

Don't judge them by one member's photos or the liberal media.

Posted: 6/12/2007 1:34:50 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
pwned

Damnit!

Av.

Posted: 6/12/2007 2:24:25 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
pwned

Damnit!

LOL. I kinda knew what happened...but it was funny nonetheless.

Posted: 6/12/2007 2:30:57 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
As far as I'm concerned, I could care less how much money one spends on his
camouflage or even if he or she is a little overweight, when it comes to back
country militias. As long as there not a bunch of nut jobs running around the
countryside waiting for WWIII to start, I really don't see a problem with it. At least
they are trying to make an effort to do there part, unlike the thousands of
armchair wanna be commandos we have here on this site posing with one of
there many unfired or pampered safe queens. Now thats pathetic.

If you really think about, it doesn't really matter how advanced your weaponry
is or how up to date your gear is, because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us. So
don't tell me how I need to have the latest gear and weaponry to be an efficent
soldier. Although I do agree that using the latest weaponry and gear definitely
has it's advantages at times, I also believe that it isn't a necessity as well.

Just my .02

Have you been to Iraq?

The insurgents live in fear of us.

Posted: 6/12/2007 2:40:10 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
As far as I'm concerned, I could care less how much money one spends on his
camouflage or even if he or she is a little overweight, when it comes to back
country militias. As long as there not a bunch of nut jobs running around the
countryside waiting for WWIII to start, I really don't see a problem with it. At least
they are trying to make an effort to do there part, unlike the thousands of
armchair wanna be commandos we have here on this site posing with one of
there many unfired or pampered safe queens. Now thats pathetic.

If you really think about, it doesn't really matter how advanced your weaponry
is or how up to date your gear is, because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us. So
don't tell me how I need to have the latest gear and weaponry to be an efficent
soldier. Although I do agree that using the latest weaponry and gear definitely
has it's advantages at times, I also believe that it isn't a necessity as well.

Just my .02

The problem they have is one of image. To the general public the self named militia member is some fat, lazy, wannabe, beer swilling (remember Joe Sixpack?), nutcase that wants to bring back slavery, have a christian version of the taliban, and marry their sisters. Pictures like this do nothing but reinforce that negative stereotype. The guy with the maroon beret in the supposed field? How much more wannabe can you get? At least air softers admit they are just toys.

As for Iraq, you can't blame the soldiers for the lack of will of the politicians and the general population.

And um, what do you know at all about being a soldier at all? Efficient or not?
Pictures like these do nothing but

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:20:42 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Turn the cameras off in Iraq and watch how quickly the "insurgent" problem gets solved.

Are you saying our troops would murder civilians?
That kind of an attitude isn't welcomed here.

We used to call it Pacification. We didn't murder people.

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:20:51 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
They need to shitcan the "militia" title and call themselves the Michigan State Guard.

Divorcing themselves from that negative connotation (established by the past militia), will put them in a better light and moving in the right direction as far as the citizenry is concerned.

You have nothing if you don't have public support.

Alabama and Texas have done well with their State Guard units. People hear that you're with the State Guard and you at least have a little legitimacy.

The State Guard does not have to be camo and AR15s. They are there to protect the state. They are there to serve the people of Michigan. They could establish neighborhood watches, bike patrols in that state's numerous public parks, volunteer to assist in any way with the local and state police and national guard... There are so many options they could exercise in order to establish themselves as true servants of their state.

We already have one... www.michigan.gov/dmva/0,1607,7-126-36614---,00.html

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:25:48 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us.

Now would be a good time for you to abandon the internet and find out what is really going on in the world. We are far from getting our asses stomped in Iraq.

I too winced and giggled when I read that. Sadly funny or funnily sad that people form that opinion.

+1

Stick to your lazy boy and swill "beerbelly" you obviously don't have a fucking clue!

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:28:40 PM EDT

[#26]

HAHAHAHA!

You people have no idea what you're talking about.

Those of you who insist, "I'm not ripping on the MI Militia, I'm ripping on the fat guy" are the dumbest ones of all.

Those are our brothers, so yes, you are in fact ripping on the MI Militia.

You take the website and think that is all there is to us, and I find that hilarious.

We are fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers. We're people you would meet on the street. We stand up for YOUR rights. We train hard and are prepared to do the difficult things when the time comes. What do YOU do?

Next time you felchers see a "fat man" in public, I want you to walk right up to him and call him a fat a$$ to his face. It's a different thing entirely when the Internet doesn't separate you, isn't it boys?

Everyone in the Militia has a purpose and we need all we can get. Some might be too young, or too old, or too injured from war injuries to be able to run a gazillion miles and spit 7.62 from their arse. Guess what, we still need them, and they are an integral part of our team. Without them, we FAIL. Every last one of us is just as important as the next without exception.

What you idiots see is a "fat" man, what I see is a group that doesn't turn anyone away, because we need eachother to every last person.

What you see is a guy in homemade camo and you think it's funny, but daddy didn't let him borrow the mercedes this week junior.

The funny thing is, people stereotype us as being bigoted and unintelligent, but I see alot of that going on right here.

Hypocrites.

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:30:54 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As far as I'm concerned, I could care less how much money one spends on his
camouflage or even if he or she is a little overweight, when it comes to back
country militias. As long as there not a bunch of nut jobs running around the
countryside waiting for WWIII to start, I really don't see a problem with it. At least
they are trying to make an effort to do there part, unlike the thousands of
armchair wanna be commandos we have here on this site posing with one of
there many unfired or pampered safe queens. Now thats pathetic.

If you really think about, it doesn't really matter how advanced your weaponry
is or how up to date your gear is, because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us. So
don't tell me how I need to have the latest gear and weaponry to be an efficent
soldier. Although I do agree that using the latest weaponry and gear definitely
has it's advantages at times, I also believe that it isn't a necessity as well.

Just my .02

So...what's your rank in the militia?
Judging by your screen name, I'm gonna go with a short colonel.

My screen name has nothing to do with my appearance, It's just a screen name.

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:34:34 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
HAHAHAHA!

You people have no idea what you're talking about.

Those of you who insist, "I'm not ripping on the MI Militia, I'm ripping on the fat guy" are the dumbest ones of all.

Those are our brothers, so yes, you are in fact ripping on the MI Militia.

You take the website and think that is all there is to us, and I find that hilarious.

We are fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers. We're people you would meet on the street. We stand up for YOUR rights. We train hard and are prepared to do the difficult things when the time comes. What do YOU do?

Next time you felchers see a "fat man" in public, I want you to walk right up to him and call him a fat a$$ to his face. It's a different thing entirely when the Internet doesn't separate you, isn't it boys?

Everyone in the Militia has a purpose and we need all we can get. Some might be too young, or too old, or too injured from war injuries to be able to run a gazillion miles and spit 7.62 from their arse. Guess what, we still need them, and they are an integral part of our team. Without them, we FAIL. Every last one of us is just as important as the next without exception.

What you idiots see is a "fat" man, what I see is a group that doesn't turn anyone away, because we need eachother to every last person.

What you see is a guy in homemade camo and you think it's funny, but daddy didn't let him borrow the mercedes this week junior.

The funny thing is, people stereotype us as being bigoted and unintelligent, but I see alot of that going on right here.

Hypocrites.

You took the words out of my mouth.

"everyone point and laugh at the fat guy!" Bastards

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:38:57 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
HAHAHAHA!

You people have no idea what you're talking about.

Those of you who insist, "I'm not ripping on the MI Militia, I'm ripping on the fat guy" are the dumbest ones of all.

Those are our brothers, so yes, you are in fact ripping on the MI Militia.

You take the website and think that is all there is to us, and I find that hilarious.

We are fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers. We're people you would meet on the street. We stand up for YOUR rights. We train hard and are prepared to do the difficult things when the time comes. What do YOU do?

Next time you felchers see a "fat man" in public, I want you to walk right up to him and call him a fat a$$ to his face. It's a different thing entirely when the Internet doesn't separate you, isn't it boys?

Everyone in the Militia has a purpose and we need all we can get. Some might be too young, or too old, or too injured from war injuries to be able to run a gazillion miles and spit 7.62 from their arse. Guess what, we still need them, and they are an integral part of our team. Without them, we FAIL. Every last one of us is just as important as the next without exception.

What you idiots see is a "fat" man, what I see is a group that doesn't turn anyone away, because we need eachother to every last person.

What you see is a guy in homemade camo and you think it's funny, but daddy didn't let him borrow the mercedes this week junior.

The funny thing is, people stereotype us as being bigoted and unintelligent, but I see alot of that going on right here.

Hypocrites.

Get over yourself.

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:39:46 PM EDT

[#30]

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:48:25 PM EDT

[#31]

Well said, KingLou!

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:50:49 PM EDT

[#32]

height=8

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height=8

Quoted:
HAHAHAHA!

You people have no idea what you're talking about.

Those of you who insist, "I'm not ripping on the MI Militia, I'm ripping on the fat guy" are the dumbest ones of all.

Those are our brothers, so yes, you are in fact ripping on the MI Militia.

You take the website and think that is all there is to us, and I find that hilarious.

We are fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers. We're people you would meet on the street. We stand up for YOUR rights. We train hard and are prepared to do the difficult things when the time comes. What do YOU do?

Next time you felchers see a "fat man" in public, I want you to walk right up to him and call him a fat a$$ to his face. It's a different thing entirely when the Internet doesn't separate you, isn't it boys?

Everyone in the Militia has a purpose and we need all we can get. Some might be too young, or too old, or too injured from war injuries to be able to run a gazillion miles and spit 7.62 from their arse. Guess what, we still need them, and they are an integral part of our team. Without them, we FAIL. Every last one of us is just as important as the next without exception.

What you idiots see is a "fat" man, what I see is a group that doesn't turn anyone away, because we need eachother to every last person.

What you see is a guy in homemade camo and you think it's funny, but daddy didn't let him borrow the mercedes this week junior.

The funny thing is, people stereotype us as being bigoted and unintelligent, but I see alot of that going on right here.

Hypocrites.

Get over yourself. That's essentially what I was saying about YOU Corky. But nice try.

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:56:10 PM EDT

[#33]

Are you saying our troops would murder civilians?
That kind of an attitude isn't welcomed here.

Are you putting words in some one else's mouth ???
That kind of attitude is not welcome here .
Stay back east...................seems to fit you .

Posted: 6/12/2007 5:56:33 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
HAHAHAHA!

You people have no idea what you're talking about.

Those of you who insist, "I'm not ripping on the MI Militia, I'm ripping on the fat guy" are the dumbest ones of all.

Those are our brothers, so yes, you are in fact ripping on the MI Militia.

You take the website and think that is all there is to us, and I find that hilarious.

We are fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers. We're people you would meet on the street. We stand up for YOUR rights. We train hard and are prepared to do the difficult things when the time comes. What do YOU do?

Next time you felchers see a "fat man" in public, I want you to walk right up to him and call him a fat a$$ to his face. It's a different thing entirely when the Internet doesn't separate you, isn't it boys?

Everyone in the Militia has a purpose and we need all we can get. Some might be too young, or too old, or too injured from war injuries to be able to run a gazillion miles and spit 7.62 from their arse. Guess what, we still need them, and they are an integral part of our team. Without them, we FAIL. Every last one of us is just as important as the next without exception.

What you idiots see is a "fat" man, what I see is a group that doesn't turn anyone away, because we need eachother to every last person.

What you see is a guy in homemade camo and you think it's funny, but daddy didn't let him borrow the mercedes this week junior.

The funny thing is, people stereotype us as being bigoted and unintelligent, but I see alot of that going on right here.

Hypocrites.

Ok Mr. Militia, I WILL rip on your organization. But first, let me share my background.

I am a Navy Corpsman and have significant experience with the USMC. I have patrolled, been in firefights, been at the very middle of a complex ambush, and so on.

To start, the "first aid" page of your website. The word "tourniquet" does not appear once. If your organization was ever needed, the time to get a patient to a higher level of care would be in the hours, if not the days. Your EMT-P with city experience and no tourniquets could only stand by and watch his patients die because he didn't think tourniquets were important, or perhaps he thinks they are a detriment. Combat trauma care is NOT AT ALL like a city/ambluance/hospital environment.

Other than that, the supplies looked good. But you'd better have a good evac plan in place - and tested - because a person can bleed out faster than you could possibly believe.

Next, the "operation green hell" pictures. Can you explain to me how to deal with a near and far ambush, and what the difference is between the two? Do your people have actual experience with ambushes or patrolling? The pictures you posted on your website suggest otherwise.

For example this picture.

Please explain why this guy thought posing for the camera and looking like a badass was more important than looking where his weapon was pointing and paying attention to his job.

One other thing, traveling by known roads/trails is a great way to get YOURSELF ambushed.

I could go on, but I've seen enough. Reading the SMCT or other Army FMs is one thing. Knowing how to apply those skills is another.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:02:41 PM EDT

[#35]

Wow, lots of shit talking going on around here since I went to class.

If there is so much more than what is on the website, how about you share some of it with us.

Every few months, I scan all the militia websites that I can find, looking at the photos, reading the AARs, and so on. I have seen very little in the way of quality tactics and training, and a whole lot of guys that seem to be dressing up and playing Army.

You seem to be convinced that none of us do anything for this country. I am a soldier. I have served in this country's military my entire adult life. I am not the only one posting in this thread who has done the same.

So what are we not seeing by going to your website and reading all of the information that is there? Is the website there to throw regular people off of the trail of the squared away militiamen? Is there a Michigan Militia special forces unit that is taking up the slack for the guys that aren't in fighting shape?

Here's my challenge to you. Put up or shut up. Tell us what it is that we are missing or get the fuck off of our board.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:08:30 PM EDT

[#36]

Isn't it funny how everybody on the Net is a Marine, and not a single one of them is a cook?

Our website is a primer, not a how-to. We have actual doctors, paramedics, and EMTs that teach the proper techniques. No, that wasn't a typo, it's actual fact.

So, there you go again, assuming we don't know what a tourniquet is because we don't have it listed on our website. Silly rabbit. I guess we're just too stupid to know these things huh? Guess we're just a bunch of overweight rednecks, too unintelligent to even put together rational cogent thoughts right?

Looks like Mr. Bigot here doesn't like the fact that protecting the Constitution doesn't have prerequisites. Maybe you should re-write the Constitution Mr. Bigot, you can start with the perfect weight, hair color, training requirements....

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:10:30 PM EDT

[#37]

"After securing vital documents from Chief al-Brateen, we conducted a road movement back to base for burgers and such."

Thats what I call training!

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:14:07 PM EDT

[#38]

Fine - I'll say it.
I laugh, openly, at anyone who says they are in a militia.
Whatever the militia was intended to be...you guys ain't it.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:15:08 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/field_reports/2007/apr007/MFD2007A_042elibub.jpg

=

www.shagoto.com/kennyRogers.jpg

lol Kenny Rogers Jackass!!!

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:20:19 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
I've run into a few of these jokers. They are batshit crazy and to be avoided.

So what did you do to get kicked out?

Quoted:
So...what's your rank in the militia?
Judging by your screen name, I'm gonna go with a short colonel.

Do you post to bring something to the table, exercise an opinion, or to ~~see how big of a jerk you can be~~ piss people off?

*patiently waits for your next ban*

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:21:11 PM EDT

[#41]

In my opinion, the National Guard is the modern militia. Militia's like that are full of nothing but mall ninja/ uber tacticool guys.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:24:27 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
In my opinion, the National Guard is the modern militia. Militia's like that are full of nothing but mall ninja/ uber tacticool guys.

Militias are made up of civilians.

The Nat'l Guard is generally under the power of the state govt., but in a time of war such as now the federal govt. can give them orders and deploy them overseas. Not so with the militia.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:24:51 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us.

Now would be a good time for you to abandon the internet and find out what is really going on in the world. We are far from getting our asses stomped in Iraq.

I too winced and giggled when I read that. Sadly funny or funnily sad that people form that opinion.

Really, I have a friend sitting in a Military Hospital right now that will tell you otherwise....

Weather you guys like it or not, were fighting a war we will never win. If we as a Nation are going to go to the expense of waging war to liberate a Country from evil, we had
better have a plan and fight this war the way wars are ment to be fought. Enough is
enough. Mark my words, we are going to keep pussy footing around while Iran franticly develops it's own nuclar weapons program right under our very noses, all along suppling the insurgency with fresh weapons and ammunition, as we sit and do nothing, until God for bid they are finally able to produce a working nuclear warhead, which more than likely will then be used against Israel. God help us all, if this day ever comes.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:27:20 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Turn the cameras off in Iraq and watch how quickly the "insurgent" problem gets solved.

I couldn't agree more........

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:29:07 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Turn the cameras off in Iraq and watch how quickly the "insurgent" problem gets solved.

I couldn't agree more........

Bet it would along faster then it is now

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:33:45 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Turn the cameras off in Iraq and watch how quickly the "insurgent" problem gets solved.

Are you saying our troops would murder civilians?
That kind of an attitude isn't welcomed here.

We used to call it Pacification. We didn't murder people.

So that's what happened to the dinosaurs?

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:37:25 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
I am a soldier. I have served in this country's military my entire adult life. I am not the only one posting in this thread who has done the same.

And there are no veterans in the MI Militia???????

Quoted:
Here's my challenge to you. Put up or shut up. Tell us what it is that we are missing or get the fuck off of our board.

WTF? You need to get laid or have a smoke or something obviously.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:38:45 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Are you saying our troops would murder civilians?
That kind of an attitude isn't welcomed here.

Are you putting words in some one else's mouth ???
That kind of attitude is not welcome here .
Stay back east...................seems to fit you .

Thank You

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:40:42 PM EDT

[#49]

I can't persuade people who have no idea what they're talking about and have deep seated prejudices, so I'm not going to try.

However I will say that most of our members are military, and they come to our organization to lead, and to share what they've learned, so when you rip on US, you rip on them too.

Funny thing is, every military guy I know has enough class to avoid these kinds of bigoted statements, and here's two bigots who claim to be military. Hmmm...

If you really are military, come on out to our camp, we don't hide it's location, we could use all the help we could get. If you're so knowledgeable, great, impart your wisdom on us, we'll welcome you with open arms. Anyone that tells you we're batshit crazy is lying, or is mistaken.

We'd sincerely like to hear from everyone here. Please join us in defending the Constitution.

However, if you prefer to simply bash us, we still want you to come out... and tell us to our faces. Otherwise, you're less than a man, that's a fact.

Posted: 6/12/2007 6:40:53 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
because just look at what is happening in
Iraq right now, were fighting an enemy that is running around in sneakers and
sandals, with outdated weaponry, and were having our asses handed to us.

Now would be a good time for you to abandon the internet and find out what is really going on in the world. We are far from getting our asses stomped in Iraq.

I too winced and giggled when I read that. Sadly funny or funnily sad that people form that opinion.

Really, I have a friend sitting in a Military Hospital right now that will tell you otherwise....

Weather you guys like it or not, were fighting a war we will never win. If we as a Nation are going to go to the expense of waging war to liberate a Country from evil, we had
better have a plan and fight this war the way wars are ment to be fought. Enough is
enough. Mark my words, we are going to keep pussy footing around while Iran franticly develops it's own nuclar weapons program right under our very noses, all along suppling the insurgency with fresh weapons and ammunition, as we sit and do nothing, until God for bid they are finally able to produce a working nuclear warhead, which more than likely will then be used against Israel. God help us all, if this day ever comes.

Then your friend doesn't know what he is talking about.

I agree that this war is being fought incorrectly. Given free reign to do what needs to be done, our military could crush this insurgancy. We are still putting a hell of a beating on them with the limitations we have in place.

Don't confuse politics with military action. Our politicians have turned this war into a circus and turned us into heavily armed police officers. Still, we have troops out hunting the enemy and when they find them, they generally kill them, capture them, or send them running back to the holes they crawled out of.

Less than 5,000 American troops have been lost in Iraq. Less that 5,000 from all causes. Natural deaths, accidents, disease, and combat loss in the last five years. In exchange, we have killed thousands and taken thousands more into custody.

You can't fight a war without losing soldiers. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot. We are fighting this one with one hand behind our back and still winning with a casualty rate so low that the military leaders of past generations probably wouldn't even believe it.

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