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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:27:16 PM EDT
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All that bullshit and you don't bother explaining what the letters stand for? And no, I have just enough give a shit to comment here and not enough to google what you left out. Fucking stupid. At least we both agree you'll die alone. 
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:27:43 PM EDT
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Let me go against the grain here and agree with the OP.
I wouldn't touch a relationship with a 10' pole! I still like the company of women and have several on speed dial in case I need something quick and meaningless, but I have NO intention of putting up with any of their shit. Some guys just plain need their Mama and simply cant survive without a woman around 24/7. Its actually pretty pathetic. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, but, getting fucked over once doesn’t mean all women will fuck you over. I’m not saying you should get married again, but I wouldn’t rule it out entirely as a possibility with the right woman. In the meantime chase tail and do whatever pleases you, which it seems you are. ETA: eh, if this one doesn’t work out I could see myself being quite hesitant to give it another try with someone else  I think? (haha) that I know that "a bad women" does not mean that all are bad, but I got to say that a lot of women can be a problem (long term, one way or another).. just saying |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:38:22 PM EDT
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GD hates MGTOW right now. Come back in a few months and probably it'll be different.
I think the movement is a reaction to the much more direct communication and interaction between older men who have had their life destroyed by divorce/poor relationships and young men in their teens and 20s/30s. Another symptom of the war on men. 20 years ago when the internet was low speed and I was a teen, other than my dad and a few of his friends, I probably interacted with men over 50 a couple times a year if that. There was no meaningful interaction like there is now. I knew maybe a handful of divorced men out of the dozen of acquaintances my parents had. Now anyone can go online and find hundreds of posts, youtube videos and so on of men getting destroyed by the system during divorce. Their bitterness and anger is palpable and the emotional hurt that can be seen is shocking. Losing hundreds of thousands of dollars and their entire family, their way of life. It's nuts. Hell a member posted in the hall pass thread he found out his wife of 20 years, with six kids, "wasn't getting it" from him so she decided the remedy was to fuck his best friend in a Days Inn. I don't even know the guy and reading it was heart wrenching. His whole life is fucked, for a tryst in a shitty hotel because that's what his wife wanted to do. How does being exposed to anecdotes like this affect young men? I think the answer is in how they're responding - by leaving society and it's traditional roles and expectations. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:38:52 PM EDT
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Agreed ^^^^^^ a fucking goof I had no idea that my "lack of awareness", ignorance of a widely know acronym, and/or "being out of the loop" would raise such ire in the GDF, granted I don't post much here, mostly read/learn in the firearms areas, but I must say that the GD area is "interesting" (to say the least) |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:38:54 PM EDT
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I leave work and this fucker is already on page 3.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:39:20 PM EDT
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Incel- involuntary MGTOW- voluntary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It’s just s bunch in beta incels who couldn’t get laid and made a group so they could chastise women MGTOW- voluntary. 
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:46:32 PM EDT
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GD has been strange lately, this thread was started an hour earlier or later OP might have 4+ pages of support.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had (before I fucked up bad...) a good 33 year long marriage, kids, house, cars, $$$.. pretty much "everything" the American dream can offer a man |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:49:02 PM EDT
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MGTOW is an anti West psyop. Look who it's always directed at. Don't do it. There are things more important than us as individuals.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:49:13 PM EDT
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People are a little testy today. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:52:48 PM EDT
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It's more respectable to become a monk.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:54:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:58:27 PM EDT
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Best decision I made was to get married and have kids. I take my kids shooting. They are good kids. I also take them to Church. I am raising conservative kids. My wife is smart, hot, works out every day, and takes good care of me and our kids. 
I think everyone would agree choosing wisely is the best life. I think even the jaded guys would agree. After all, if they got screwed in a divorce, they were trying to obtain that, right? I most certainly agree in today's times you gotta be careful. You can't "settle", nor can you overlook a woman's issues/ problems just because she's hot. But men and women deserve to be together, it is the way of things. If you're strong by yourself and don't need to latch on to every piece of ass, good for you. (Honestly.) But that shouldn't stop your search for a good woman. It's not a liberal conspiracy, you just gotta get out there and find them. I've met hot chicks I didn't want to be long term with, and I've met awesome chicks I wasn't attracted to. If you just want to plow, go for it, but don't you dare confuse what you're doing with a relationship and make sure you aren't going to get a plow horse pregnant. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 8:58:52 PM EDT
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I guess, the biggest thing for me: I don't get the need for the acronyms and titles. Just live the life you want. Why do you have to join a club based on how you decide to interact with other humans?
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:05:54 PM EDT
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Best decision I made was to get married and have kids. I take my kids shooting. They are good kids. I also take them to Church. I am raising conservative kids. My wife is smart, hot, works out every day, and takes good care of me and our kids. And my kids are too young for guns, but I’ve started teaching my 4 year old on a BB gun. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:06:40 PM EDT
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Sour Grapes
In an old fable by Aesop, a hungry fox noticed a bunch of juicy grapes hanging from a vine. After several failed attempts to reach the grapes, the fox gave up and insisted that he didn't want them anyway because they were probably sour. The Southern Poverty Law Center has determined Aesop's fables to be racist, sour grapes to be sexist and foxes to cause cancer in California. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:07:57 PM EDT
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I guess, the biggest thing for me: I don't get the need for the acronyms and titles. Just live the life you want. Why do you have to join a club based on how you decide to interact with other humans?
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:09:01 PM EDT
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The SPLC has already labeled them male supremacist, they aren't marching around with stupid hats, making ridiculous accusations, or demanding entitlements from anyone.
Refuse to serve the feminist agenda and you get labeled as male supremacist by some leftist wack job outfit that's connected to the FBI  .
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:10:43 PM EDT
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You have almost 20,000 posts on a large internet gun club we call ARFCOM Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess, the biggest thing for me: I don't get the need for the acronyms and titles. Just live the life you want. Why do you have to join a club based on how you decide to interact with other humans? 
You get what I mean.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:11:50 PM EDT
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Get your testosterone right and you’ll be poon hounding again in no time.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that just a euphemism for gay? |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does that mean? The first being, that no matter how much you're spouse may have "changed", neglected you, or other wise hurt the marriage, that does NOT grant you license to "cheat" Second, no matter how much that "the other woman" strokes your ego, or otherwise gives you what you need/were missing, in the end she is most likely not going to be the one. I have had the opportunity throughout my life to be involved with several women, everything from having a wife, having GF's, having a mistress, etc. and eventually realized (again I am SLOOOOOW on the uptake.. haha) that many (never meant to imply all) women are just not being truely honest about what they expect from you. Hell, maybe it;s just that they cant be honest with themselves and we get caught up in their "issues" but at any rate they can be trouble and lots of it |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:14:12 PM EDT
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All that bullshit and you don't bother explaining what the letters stand for? And no, I have just enough give a shit to comment here and not enough to google what you left out. Fucking stupid. At least we both agree you'll die alone.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:14:51 PM EDT
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You get what I mean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess, the biggest thing for me: I don't get the need for the acronyms and titles. Just live the life you want. Why do you have to join a club based on how you decide to interact with other humans?
You get what I mean. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:15:05 PM EDT
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Let me go against the grain here and agree with the OP. I wouldn't touch a relationship with a 10' pole! I still like the company of women and have several on speed dial in case I need something quick and meaningless, but I have NO intention of putting up with any of their shit. Some guys just plain need their Mama and simply cant survive without a woman around 24/7. Its actually pretty pathetic. It's all part of the process. The dialectic. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:20:35 PM EDT
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MGTOW is an anti West psyop. Look who it's always directed at. Don't do it. There are things more important than us as individuals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/352436/E672983E-BB1A-4F62-A22E-7D188918C031_jpeg-772398.JPG |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:23:22 PM EDT
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How does being exposed to anecdotes like this affect young men? I think the answer is in how they're responding - by leaving society and it's traditional roles and expectations. I'm 30 and have lived in the same shitty relationship for 10 years, and sure it didn't start out shitty but it got there within the first 5 years. If I thought I could get away from mine with my rights in tact and my hard earned money I'd be out the door in a heart beat but she's become well versed in using the system as a weapon. Best I can do right now is maintain the status quo, keep my distance at home and put off the inevitable fucking I'm going to get on the way out of this disaster. One things for damn sure though, as soon as I get away from this monster I won't ever have anything to do with a woman again. Occasional sex and the rare affectionate gesture isn't worth losing everything and living under constant stress and anxiety. Sex and affection can be rented outside of the US cheaper. Shit, If I could turn back the clock 15 years my entire life would be different and I'd be happily single with a larger pile of guns, cars, and money. Relationships and families aren't worth it kids. If you're lonely save yourself from financial ruin and get a dog. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I didn't (still don't) want to make this thread about my "shortcomings", but I had an affair... and my indiscretions, my poor behavior taught me a lot of lessons... The first being, that no matter how much you're spouse may have "changed", neglected you, or other wise hurt the marriage, that does NOT grant you license to "cheat" Second, no matter how much that "the other woman" strokes your ego, or otherwise gives you what you need/were missing, in the end she is most likely not going to be the one. I have had the opportunity throughout my life to be involved with several women, everything from having a wife, having GF's, having a mistress, etc. and eventually realized (again I am SLOOOOOW on the uptake.. haha) that many (never meant to imply all) women are just not being truely honest about what they expect from you. Hell, maybe it;s just that they cant be honest with themselves and we get caught up in their "issues" but at any rate they can be trouble and lots of it |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:28:47 PM EDT
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I was walking on my lawn one afternoon, looking at the patches of brown and thinking about what needed to be done to restore them. Then I realized, "This is fucking stupid. I spend money each month to water this damn thing just so it can grow again to require more maintenance."
A few months later, the entire lawn was gone and replaced with gravel. I did not have to consult with anyone before doing this. Actually, I don't have to consult with anyone before doing any damn thing to my house. If I want to run shielded Cat-6A to every room, I fucking will. How am I wrong, exactly? |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:29:02 PM EDT
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MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way Sounds like it means 2 guys doing stuff with each others butts and such. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The societal contract is broken, there's just more young men waking up and coming to terms with that reality. That's all really. I'm 30 and have lived in the same shitty relationship for 10 years, and sure it didn't start out shitty but it got there within the first 5 years. If I thought I could get away from mine with my rights in tact and my hard earned money I'd be out the door in a heart beat but she's become well versed in using the system as a weapon. Best I can do right now is maintain the status quo, keep my distance at home and put off the inevitable fucking I'm going to get on the way out of this disaster. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:32:01 PM EDT
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I'm sure women everywhere are devastated by these idiots. They are the male equivalent of fat chicks declaring they don't need a man to be complete.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:35:56 PM EDT
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I'm sure women everywhere are devastated by these idiots. They are the male equivalent of fat chicks declaring they don't need a man to be complete. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:36:52 PM EDT
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I was walking on my lawn one afternoon, looking at the patches of brown and thinking about what needed to be done to restore them. Then I realized, "This is fucking stupid. I spend money each month to water this damn thing just so it can grow again to require more maintenance." A few months later, the entire lawn was gone and replaced with gravel. I did not have to consult with anyone before doing this. Actually, I don't have to consult with anyone before doing any damn thing to my house. If I want to run shielded Cat-6A to every room, I fucking will. How am I wrong, exactly? |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:39:32 PM EDT
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MG TOW is who you call when your MG breaks down on the road.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:42:47 PM EDT
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I envision the loud mgtow guys to be like a single Bill Burr - just listen to that guy before he got married and imagine of that stuff was put on a blog or web forum. He'd be a misogynist incel for sure, but then he marries a black chick and gets on with his life all boring and normal. Although I have a theory that was just his plan to get more material.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:49:06 PM EDT
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All that bullshit and you don't bother explaining what the letters stand for? And no, I have just enough give a shit to comment here and not enough to google what you left out. Fucking stupid. At least we both agree you'll die alone. edit beat badly. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:51:39 PM EDT
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 Sell marriage to me  Is Marriage Worth It? |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Men who wish to lead their lives as they see fit, not kowtowing to whatever their female of the moment tells them to do.
At least that is how I relate to it. Still get plenty of 'tang, just don't let it control your life. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:55:47 PM EDT
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I dunno.... I had (before I fucked up bad...) a good 33 year long marriage, kids, house, cars, $$$.. pretty much "everything" the American dream can offer a man But, after learning a few VERY HARD life lessons, I realized that the "system" in this country, this culture is terribly slanted against men, rather much in favor of the females. I also learned A LOT about "women" after almost 6 decades on this planet........ Call me loser, call me "beta" WTF you wish, but young(er) men be warned and NO, I am not gay or :coming out"... haha I am simply beginning to understand there is a better way than the bill of goods that I was sold ever since my childhood You sound extremely bitter dude. You hitched your wagon to the wrong female. Doesn’t mean they’re ALL worthless. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:56:04 PM EDT
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Quote History Importance of marriage - from the movie Departed However, you can't be married and attain the Position of Fuck You. "If you've been there twice having been there once, I can't help you."  The Gambler - Fuck You |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:56:44 PM EDT
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Sour Grapes
In an old fable by Aesop, a hungry fox noticed a bunch of juicy grapes hanging from a vine. After several failed attempts to reach the grapes, the fox gave up and insisted that he didn't want them anyway because they were probably sour. The Southern Poverty Law Center has determined Aesop's fables to be racist, sour grapes to be sexist and foxes to cause cancer in California. 
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:57:47 PM EDT
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Let me go against the grain here and agree with the OP. I wouldn't touch a relationship with a 10' pole! I still like the company of women and have several on speed dial in case I need something quick and meaningless, but I have NO intention of putting up with any of their shit. Some guys just plain need their Mama and simply cant survive without a woman around 24/7. Its actually pretty pathetic. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:57:54 PM EDT
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Go watch some elder porn and you may reconsider.
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:00:57 PM EDT
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Christ dude, defensive much? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All that bullshit and you don't bother explaining what the letters stand for? And no, I have just enough give a shit to comment here and not enough to google what you left out. Fucking stupid. At least we both agree you'll die alone. Yeah, I'd like fries with my order |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:01:11 PM EDT
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I'm going cut those guys AND the MGTOW guys some slack. In proper perspective, male-female relations have been fairly constant over the last 3000+ years of known human history, EXCEPT for the last 30 years where it all gets confusing. We're still figuring a lot out and in the melee there's going to be a lot of passionate people with their opinions. It's all part of the process. The dialectic. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:02:34 PM EDT
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I guess I'll give a serious response as to my main issue with this philosophy.
The philosophy itself has some good points. My issue with with the complete and utter lack of respect. It lumps all women in with the shitty ones. Hell, I even agree that marriage offers little to the average man these days... Once again showing government involvement can ruin almost anything. You can lead your own life, protect your assets, retain control over what you do while simultaneously maintaining a long term relationship- married or not. Example from my own life- last year I decided I wanted to try to fly for the Army NG. I'm totally qualified except for my age. I talked through this with my SO and said "okay, look I'm going to do this. If I do, it means Alabama for a year at least. I'd love it if you came with me but understand if you don't want to. Either way, I'm going to go if I get accepted" Respectful, loving, but very clear that I'm making good on a lifelong dream no matter what. Without hesitation she said "of course I'm coming". Just one example. As I said, it's mainly the disrespect I have an issue with. Im perfectly happy alone, but I do find the companionship of a good woman a worthwhile experience. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:03:40 PM EDT
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It’s just s bunch in beta incels who couldn’t get laid and made a group so they could chastise women No drama, no loss of freedom, no losing 1/2 your shit. no alimony payments. Women aren't the problem. The current state of family courts is. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:04:54 PM EDT
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The ideas of MGTOW are just as ridiculous and unsustainable as feminism. It’s the male equivalent.
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