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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:54:35 PM EDT
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Has the NRA asked for the ATF to look at it again, before we even know what it is?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:54:35 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't hold back |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:54:38 PM EDT
[#3]
Well?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:54:50 PM EDT
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Smooth bore, but using a rifled slug? Or a rifled saboted slug? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:55:26 PM EDT
[#5]
well.... tag
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:55:30 PM EDT
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A non-rifled barrel would be so shitty... Fine for mag dumps though I guess. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:55:37 PM EDT
[#7]
Following this sourcery
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:56:04 PM EDT
[#8]
airsoft?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:56:28 PM EDT
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In before we taunt and pester the ATF. Go get them, boys. Ruin this one, too. In before the letters to tech branch. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Smooth bore, but using a rifled slug? Or a rifled saboted slug? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:57:08 PM EDT
[#11]
I'm in
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:57:18 PM EDT
[#12]
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So much info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, I think I know what it is, and they hit the loophole of loopholes if it is what I think. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:57:19 PM EDT
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By definition a rifle shoots one shot per trigger pull. You think theres a device that you have to engage to reset the trigger? Is that what youre thinking? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:57:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:57:35 PM EDT
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possibility: could the muzzle device be forged as a part of the barrel? ie one piece?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:58:16 PM EDT
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The add mentions "NRS" technology, which is "non-recoil suppressing"... I looked up the patent, which, if my digging is right, is basically for bump-fire stocks.
NRS Patent |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:58:23 PM EDT
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I am guessing they made a configuration where the barrel extension is actually considered the "barrel" and it has a 11" rifled "muzzle device"??
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:58:49 PM EDT
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It's either not designed to be fired from the shoulder or is not a rifle by some other definition. Per the ATF:
The term “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. So they either got around the projectile, around the bore, around the fired from the shoulder, or the number of rounds fired per trigger pull. Since they make binary triggers.... |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:58:53 PM EDT
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possibility: could the muzzle device be forged as a part of the barrel? ie one piece? OR SO WE THOUGHT?! |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:59:12 PM EDT
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By definition a rifle shoots one shot per trigger pull. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:59:27 PM EDT
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No one @ a certain guy who likes to write letters to the ATF, plz.
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:59:37 PM EDT
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By definition a rifle shoots one shot per trigger pull. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Don't hold back 
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Posted: 1/11/2018 5:59:48 PM EDT
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It's either not designed to be fired from the shoulder or is not a rifle by some other definition. Per the ATF: The term “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. So they either got around the projectile, around the bore, around the fired from the shoulder, or the number of rounds fired per trigger pull. Since they make binary triggers.... Something we are missing. Or this is a troll thing. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:00:54 PM EDT
[#24]
I doubt Franklin would troll SHOT show like this.
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:01:01 PM EDT
[#25]
Idea does polygonal bores count as rifling?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:01:19 PM EDT
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Waiting till the NRA issue their opinion letter banning it.
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:01:22 PM EDT
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-Started life as a pistol
-OAL length of more than 26" is all I can think of.... -Still does not seem right because once a rifle always a rifle so the moment it had a stock on it, it a rifle...and not just a firearm, right? I give up. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:01:35 PM EDT
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I am guessing they made a configuration where the barrel extension is actually considered the "barrel" and it has a 11" rifled "muzzle device"?? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:01:38 PM EDT
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It's either not designed to be fired from the shoulder or is not a rifle by some other definition. Per the ATF: The term “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. So they either got around the projectile, around the bore, around the fired from the shoulder, or the number of rounds fired per trigger pull. Since they make binary triggers.... |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:02:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:02:40 PM EDT
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if the gun is over 26" in length with the stock fully extended it isn't a NFA firearm apparently. I have wondered about that myself. I'm glad they have clarified the law. Hopefully this catches on because they would be ideal for home/car defense.
I foresee 12"-13" side folding ARs becoming a uuuuuge seller |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:03:04 PM EDT
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Duplex ammunition?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:03:32 PM EDT
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Idea does polygonal bores count as rifling? No lands, no grooves... ? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:03:38 PM EDT
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I doubt Franklin would troll SHOT show like this. 
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:03:47 PM EDT
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A machine gun is 1 bullet per trigger function.
A rifle(or SBR) is 1 bullet per trigger pull. A firearm that fires one bullet per trigger function but 2 bullets per trigger pull, is neither a Machine gun or a Rfile(or SBR). The Binary Trigger is the Key |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:04:31 PM EDT
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How about one short per two functions of the trigger?
Either with two trigger presses per shot OR a function of the trigger for each the pull and for the release. If one shot comes from it, then it's one shot per two functions of the trigger. |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:04:36 PM EDT
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So, phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's either not designed to be fired from the shoulder or is not a rifle by some other definition. Per the ATF: The term “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. So they either got around the projectile, around the bore, around the fired from the shoulder, or the number of rounds fired per trigger pull. Since they make binary triggers.... but if someone wanted to they could shoot real bullets out of it? Man, would that be one dangerous grey area or what... |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:04:40 PM EDT
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Don't they have an account here? Can we page them? What's their screen name? @FranklinArmory?
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:04:41 PM EDT
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Magnets? |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:04:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
A machine gun is 1 bullet per trigger function. A rifle(or SBR) is 1 bullet per trigger pull. A firearm that fires one bullet per trigger function but 2 bullets per trigger pull, is neither a Machine gun or a Rfile(or SBR). The Binary Trigger is the Key 
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
A machine gun is 1 bullet per trigger function. A rifle(or SBR) is 1 bullet per trigger pull. A firearm that fires one bullet per trigger function but 2 bullets per trigger pull, is neither a Machine gun or a Rfile(or SBR). The Binary Trigger is the Key |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
A machine gun is 1 bullet per trigger function. A rifle(or SBR) is 1 bullet per trigger pull. A firearm that fires one bullet per trigger function but 2 bullets per trigger pull, is neither a Machine gun or a Rfile(or SBR). The Binary Trigger is the Key |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:03 PM EDT
[#43]
In for explanation (and letdown?).
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:16 PM EDT
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Mother of God... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A machine gun is 1 bullet per trigger function. A rifle(or SBR) is 1 bullet per trigger pull. A firearm that fires one bullet per trigger function but 2 bullets per trigger pull, is neither a Machine gun or a Rfile(or SBR). The Binary Trigger is the Key |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:17 PM EDT
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Maybe the NFA has a sunset date that only Franklin Armory knows of......
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:21 PM EDT
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if the gun is over 26" in length with the stock fully extended it isn't a NFA firearm apparently. I have wondered about that myself. I'm glad they have clarified the law. Hopefully this catches on because they would be ideal for home/car defense. I foresee 12"-13" side folding ARs becoming a uuuuuge seller |
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:37 PM EDT
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In before we taunt and pester the ATF. Go get them, boys. Ruin this one, too. 
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:38 PM EDT
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I'm stumped.
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:06:43 PM EDT
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In for the Beowulf X accessory that makes this a reality.
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Posted: 1/11/2018 6:07:22 PM EDT
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It's either not designed to be fired from the shoulder or is not a rifle by some other definition. Per the ATF: The term "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. So they either got around the projectile, around the bore, around the fired from the shoulder, or the number of rounds fired per trigger pull. Since they make binary triggers.... |
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