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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:51:07 AM EDT
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Of all the things for the FBI to put effort into...
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:51:08 AM EDT
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Elian Gonzalez is my personal favorite I think. Sweeping a child with an MP5. http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20131111/rs_560x415-131211095433-1024.elian-gonzalez-child-cuba.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pointing a weapon at someone is a federally investigated crime now? http://i59.tinypic.com/2rr9abl.jpg Exactly the picture I was thinking of 
Couldn't decide between that one or this one: http://i62.tinypic.com/jql644.jpg Us and them. Just further proof of it. http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20131111/rs_560x415-131211095433-1024.elian-gonzalez-child-cuba.jpg I remember when that pic came out - Janet Reno said pointing the gun at the child was ok because the agent's finger was not on the trigger. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:51:38 AM EDT
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Who didn't see this coming? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A lot of folks on here. I brought this up right when happened and was promptly hammered on for it. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:51:52 AM EDT
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So in!!
Let the tardfest begin! |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:51:52 AM EDT
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i think the .gov is just scared. they had armed militia show up for something so dumb as cattling grazing fees. imagine the resistance if they tried to disarm the US |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:52:32 AM EDT
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Which will open up a norther can of worms as FAA hasn't given final approval for those to be operating Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In for drone footage. You know they have it. Which will open up a norther can of worms as FAA hasn't given final approval for those to be operating iirc the declared the area no fly zone. Samething they did when the wacko kidnapped that kid in south Alabama and took him to his bunker. They used a drone during that deal. ETA: FBI sources said surveillance drones constantly monitored the situation. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/05/us/alabama-child-hostage/ |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:53:05 AM EDT
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Yep. They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who didn't see this coming? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yep. They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. Dude if I ever buy a farm I won't expect you to show up when tyranny arrives. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:53:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember when that pic came out - Janet Reno said pointing the gun at the child was ok because the agent's finger was not on the trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20131111/rs_560x415-131211095433-1024.elian-gonzalez-child-cuba.jpg I remember when that pic came out - Janet Reno said pointing the gun at the child was ok because the agent's finger was not on the trigger. Rule 2: Do NOT let your muzzle cover anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy. So trigger or not, he is at least willing to kill them right? Right?
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:54:03 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg i cant really tell what he is pointing at though, could be a prarie dog |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:54:13 AM EDT
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Told you it wan't over. I bet if any blood is spilled, it will be because of this right here.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:55:58 AM EDT
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We know the Fed LEO culture, and there is no way in hell this could just dropped. There will be indictments, and I'd guess at least 50/50 chance shooting starts while serving the warrants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep poking that beehive........... We know the Fed LEO culture, and there is no way in hell this could just dropped. There will be indictments, and I'd guess at least 50/50 chance shooting starts while serving the warrants. I bet they'll go in heavy. Or maybe just burn down the guys house right of the bat. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:56:00 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg Can they prove he is pointing at a cop? He could be pointing at a Bundy supporter or at a cow. They better have clean records. http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/newsroom/img/mt/2014/04/RTR3L0EB/lead.jpg?n414z8 From that picture, you tell me who he is pointing at. LOL, you cant, neither can a jury. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:56:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they will use it, they don't want to have to justify drones in court. Easier to just use the weight and unlimited $$$ of the government to make an example out of them. They will use the theory of alternative construction in order to get around bringing drones up in court. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In for drone footage. You know they have it. I don't think they will use it, they don't want to have to justify drones in court. Easier to just use the weight and unlimited $$$ of the government to make an example out of them. They will use the theory of alternative construction in order to get around bringing drones up in court. was a lawyer in federal court, I would ask that of every federal agent in every case no matter what. "Where you in fact given information by the NSA or other intelligence agency, after which you falsified an evidence trail about which you are now committing perjury?
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:56:40 AM EDT
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I remember when that pic came out - Janet Reno said pointing the gun at the child was ok because the agent's finger was not on the trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pointing a weapon at someone is a federally investigated crime now? http://i59.tinypic.com/2rr9abl.jpg Exactly the picture I was thinking of
Couldn't decide between that one or this one: http://i62.tinypic.com/jql644.jpg Us and them. Just further proof of it. http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20131111/rs_560x415-131211095433-1024.elian-gonzalez-child-cuba.jpg I remember when that pic came out - Janet Reno said pointing the gun at the child was ok because the agent's finger was not on the trigger. Professional enough. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:56:45 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg Note to self: add balaclava to gear bag. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:56:47 AM EDT
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I sailed through Norfolk a couple years ago on my way back from the Bahamas (ICW into the bay) and had more guns pointed at me than I EVER did in Iraq. They had a big shindig going and every ship had a guard boat in front of it with at least one mounted MG. We'd putt putt past one (hugging the far side of the channel) and the next gun boat would take station on us with the gun trained on me at the helm. After a half dozen or so I actually got on 16 and asked the navy guard boys to at least keep their fingers off the damn trigger while pointing their pretty machine guns at me. The guy in question responded by yanking the charging handle on his M2 a couple of times and flipping me the bird. I laughed and returned the salute. Yeah I know. CSB. The point is that we went away from being a free country with a government a long time ago. Now we're more of a People's Democratic Republic and the ruling class is not to be defied. Yep, only time I've ever had a gun pointed at me was on Lake Huron. Returning the boat back to Bayview from the Mac race, boarded by the coasties and under aim the entire time. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:57:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If every single person we see with a gun has been trained, then we have to interpret ALL these pictures in light of the Four Rules right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Rule 2: Do NOT let your muzzle cover anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy. So trigger or not, he is at least willing to kill them right? Right? |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:58:02 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg Where is the muzzle? It could be pointed anywhere. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:58:09 AM EDT
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I bet they'll go in heavy. Or maybe just burn down the guys house right of the bat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep poking that beehive........... We know the Fed LEO culture, and there is no way in hell this could just dropped. There will be indictments, and I'd guess at least 50/50 chance shooting starts while serving the warrants. I bet they'll go in heavy. Or maybe just burn down the guys house right of the bat. Is the LAPD getting involved? |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:58:24 AM EDT
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Note to self: add balaclava to gear bag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg Note to self: add balaclava to gear bag. Added charge: wearing a mask |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:58:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rule 2: Do NOT let your muzzle cover anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rule 2: Do NOT let your muzzle cover anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy. So trigger or not, he is at least willing to kill them right? Right? |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 4:59:49 AM EDT
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So, we're going to see Ruby Ridge part 2,3,4, and 5?
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:01:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: LAS VEGAS -- A dramatic development in the saga surrounding rancher Cliven Bundy, the FBI has entered the case. The 8 News NOW I-Team has learned that FBI agents have started an investigation into the events surrounding a potentially deadly showdown one month ago. It is one thing for Bundy and his supporters to square off against an assortment of Bureau of Land Management employees. It is quite another when the FBI enters the picture, and that is exactly what has happened. The I-Team has confirmed that FBI agents have launched a formal investigation into alleged death threats, intimidation and possible weapons violations that culminated with a dangerous showdown on April 12, and the first people to be interviewed by FBI agents are Metro Police, starting with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillispie. Last week, the I-Team talked with Metro officers who intervened to protect the lives of federal employees from the 400 or so Bundy supporters and armed militia members. Officers told the I-Team they feared for their lives that day because of the assembled firepower, and because many in the crowd had pointed weapons at officers, taunted them, told them they should be ready to die. FBI agents also spoke to an entire squad of Metro officers, who were on the scene to act as a buffer between the crowd and the BLM. Bundy supporters have insisted in emails and calls to 8 News NOW that no one in the crowd pointed weapons at BLM or Metro, but officers told the I-Team that is exactly what they saw, that many with guns set up behind women and children. It is illegal to point loaded weapons at federal agents, http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute I knew this was coming. I bolded the shit that got my attention in this... Shit just got real
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:03:15 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg Note to self: add balaclava to gear bag. Added charge: wearing a mask WHO was wearing a mask? |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:03:48 AM EDT
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Couldn't decide between that one or this one: http://i62.tinypic.com/jql644.jpg Us and them. Just further proof of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pointing a weapon at someone is a federally investigated crime now? http://i59.tinypic.com/2rr9abl.jpg Exactly the picture I was thinking of
Couldn't decide between that one or this one: http://i62.tinypic.com/jql644.jpg Us and them. Just further proof of it. Under the eyes of the masters we aren't equal. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:03:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If every single person we see with a gun has been trained, then we have to interpret ALL these pictures in light of the Four Rules right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20131111/rs_560x415-131211095433-1024.elian-gonzalez-child-cuba.jpg I remember when that pic came out - Janet Reno said pointing the gun at the child was ok because the agent's finger was not on the trigger. Rule 2: Do NOT let your muzzle cover anyone or anything you are not willing to destroy. So trigger or not, he is at least willing to kill them right? Right? Gotta agree with grunt on this one, which is why I take it really fucking personal when people point guns at me. The government is pushing this issue too hard.. do they expect local LEOs to serve the arrest warrants that come down from on high for this? It could easily turn into a blood bath. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:03:57 AM EDT
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But it's not illegal for them to point them at us. Fuck them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is illegal to point loaded weapons at federal agents, But it's not illegal for them to point them at us. Fuck them. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:04:48 AM EDT
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Of all the things for the FBI to put effort into... FBI's mission changed to investigating terrorists. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:06:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn't decide between that one or this one: http://i62.tinypic.com/jql644.jpg Us and them. Just further proof of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pointing a weapon at someone is a federally investigated crime now? http://i59.tinypic.com/2rr9abl.jpg Exactly the picture I was thinking of Couldn't decide between that one or this one: http://i62.tinypic.com/jql644.jpg Us and them. Just further proof of it. What's good for the goose........ This will get bloody . . . . set your watch and warrant on it . |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:06:40 AM EDT
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Pointing a weapon at someone is a federally investigated crime now? http://i59.tinypic.com/2rr9abl.jpg No no no, see, they're the Feds so they're special-er than the rest of us. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:08:10 AM EDT
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How do you know he's pointing it at anyone? The only crime that can be confirmed with that picture alone is the Tapco raping of an AK. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg How do you know he's pointing it at anyone? The only crime that can be confirmed with that picture alone is the Tapco raping of an AK. I needed that laugh this morning. Well done. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:08:49 AM EDT
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They'll file a few charges based on some pictures taken, add everyone there to the "watch" list and then go silent. A few months later, once everyone forgets about this, they'll raid the ranch, shoot his cattle, shoot his wife and kick his teeth in.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:11:57 AM EDT
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there are reports on the net of the Oath Keepers being inflitrated by Federal LEO's and some members being questioned. sounds just like their Klan doctrine. 90 percent of the group are undercover LEO's
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:12:08 AM EDT
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Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. How can the .gov possibly know WHAT he was aiming at - if he was aiming at anything? Pointing his rifle in the general direction? Sure. Aiming at? I'm not positive about that one. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:13:15 AM EDT
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another SCOTUS case that'll never be seen?
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:13:23 AM EDT
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I vote to defund the national police force. Keep the forensics unit and take away their guns. Lay off the rest while disbanding the ATF entirely. No need for any of them.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:14:04 AM EDT
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I don't think the final outcome of this will be what any but a few anarchists or feds want.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:14:29 AM EDT
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Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. how do we know he wasn't a mole? |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:15:15 AM EDT
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i cant really tell what he is pointing at though, could be a prarie dog Nah. Rabid tortoise. He was protecting the feds from it in case it attacked. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:15:17 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:17:14 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. I wonder how much of an impact the choice of venue will have when selecting for a jury. Probably not as much as any of us would think. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:19:15 AM EDT
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How can the .gov possibly know WHAT he was aiming at - if he was aiming at anything? Pointing his rifle in the general direction? Sure. Aiming at? I'm not positive about that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. How can the .gov possibly know WHAT he was aiming at - if he was aiming at anything? Pointing his rifle in the general direction? Sure. Aiming at? I'm not positive about that one. Show the pictures to a jury of twleve and he will be convicted. He needs to be finding a good lawyer. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:19:37 AM EDT
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Guy in prone is an idiot. You don't aim, point or direct your weapon at a crowd.
You don't point a gun at anyone unless there's a deadly force issue....grazing cattle bs is an issue for court, not the street. Please do not call the police when your neighbor does the same. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:20:04 AM EDT
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I don't think Saiga guy had his rifle loaded. Look at the trigger.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:20:30 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. how do we know he wasn't a mole? They know his name, he did interviews, some folks here found and friended him on facebook. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:21:33 AM EDT
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Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Guy on the bridge proned out pointing his AK at the agents in the gully better be finding a lawyer. I wonder how much of an impact the choice of venue will have when selecting for a jury. Probably not as much as any of us would think. Not much. Select twelve people, show them those pics, easy conviction. |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:22:12 AM EDT
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Hang together or hang separately.
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:26:42 AM EDT
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LOL
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pictures of said pointed weapons or it never happened. Here's one. http://tellmenow.com/files/2014/04/2014.04.13-mrconservative-534a98dde0480-500x346.jpg I don't see him aiming at anyone. He was probably testing his scope against the side of the overpass or at gopher out in the field. They can't prove anything with this photo. The feds will probably harass, intimidate, and make these independent, hard-working, tax-paying, patriotic, law-abiding citizens and their wives and children, suffer. How dare they show any disrespect or disobedience toward our bureaucrat masters. They will be made examples of, so as to dissuade the other peasants from disobedience. Meanwhile, as the JBTs destroy the lives of these rancher families, the politicians will continue to lie, cheat, and steal everyday. They'll be sucking down filet mignon and lobster tails at the country club, washing it down with dom perignon, paid for by these same ranchers and other taxpayers...they'll be signing the no-knock-raid warrants with their fat greasy fingers, as their jowels jiggle with the maniacal laughter of power lust, while they make yet another back-door-deal with their fellow committee members... Who is going to investigate the BLM officers for pointing guns at citizens...over a bunch of cows...? Pick up that can, etc... <jk>  |
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Posted: 5/9/2014 5:29:02 AM EDT
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I'm sure none of the BLM had rifles pointed at any of the Bundy supporters....especially not the ones with sniper rifles. This may present an issue, as to whose rifles were pointed first (which Bundy supporters claimed happened very early and before other people were even armed). Since this area is covered by 9th Circuit case law, the court has ruled and been very restrictive on when officers can point firearms. |
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