[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Electric vehicle drivers get candid about charging: 'Logistical nightmare' (Page 9 of 12)
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. Once again: The Government didn’t MANDATE the use of internal combustion engines. They are mandating the production of EV’s. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. It’s not hate of EV vehicles. It’s annoyance at the sheep who but into the lies, which empower the tyrants. EV vesicles have huge obstacles. They aren’t eco friendly. We don’t have the infrastructure on the roads, or at home to handle the electricity to charge them if they are adopted at even a fraction of the population. They have security and governmental overreach concerns, the list goes on. |
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Quoted: Imagine the size of the electric cables needed to upgrade this nightmare inducing neighborhood to be able to support even 10% of the homes having EVs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/522423/SUBURBS-2263490.jpg We talking transmission level? Cause not that hard. This cable if I dropped it in at 230 kV would comfortably support 40k plus chargers running at the same time with ample head room. 
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Quoted: Redneck republicans cant seem to grasp this concept. Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Redneck republicans cant seem to grasp this concept. That's a pretty nasty arrogant condescending statement. Maybe some of us redneck Republicans know something about the issues of trying to force a technology into the market that is not prepared for it. The difference between gas stations and charging stations is the feds didn't force adoption of ice like they're doing with green tech. Even in your scenario there are issues so much so that utilities are working with car manufacturers so they can talk to the EV and shut down charging if the distribution network is overloaded. Verizon is also touting a 'solution' for this scenario. Its a shit show. But you do you. |
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I just pulled into my place in WV after a 5 hr drive in my truck. It took me less than 5 minutes to  And I never had to plan my route around chargers or have any "range anxiety". I can always go at least 400 miles in a 3/4 ton 4X4 truck without worrying. And Valero pays for my fuel in the form of dividends. Matter of fact, I don't really pay for any of my energy use. They all pay me to use it. |
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Quoted: In the beginning drug dealers offer their products at reduced or no cost as well. Just sayin Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where are these people? The only Tesla that ever had "free" charging was the earlier model s, a perk from when it was new. Only applied to Tesla superchargers. Even with those if the car was traded in to Tesla the perk was usually removed. It's a very small number that ever had it to begin with. My first one did, it might have saved me a couple hundred dollars over a few years. For 10's of thousands of miles I paid for the charging. If one were relying on public charging they are absolutely doing it wrong. The "free" public level 2 chargers are shit idea if you are relying on them to do your charging. As far as the grid, I think the strain will be less less than most think. I went from an S to a 3 and moved about the same time. Didn't bother installing the level 2 at the new place. In addition to some time in the S I put 11,000 miles on the 3 in 10 months almost exclusively on a standard 15 amp circuit and the included wall connector. You can get about 50 miles of range a day on a standard outlet. I've never heard anyone expecting "free" charging. If some place offers it well I guess that's a little bonus for the time spent there, but it's not going to get you by and one would be an idiot to rely on it. The local utility here offers unlimited charging for $25/month flat fee at a few utility branded charging centers that have 50Kw "fast" chargers and a couple 240V level 2 chargers as well. In the beginning drug dealers offer their products at reduced or no cost as well. Just sayin In the village my brother in law lives in they have locked in rates for the entire village. It was part of the deal when they voted on putting the hydro plant in. He switched his entire house over to electric heat after that, and will likely end up with an EV in their fleet at some point. |
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Lol damn gd. Damn. If the gov wants to control your movements they will just take your license. Ever think of that one? If gov wants to control your movement with ice they will make the price of gas go up. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy. Relax a little. If you don't want a ev..... don't get one |
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Quoted: I have three vehicles between the wife and I. At least two could easily be EV with the usage/range they get yearly. All three could be EV as well as long as you properly account for charging at home savings vs delays of charging on the road for longer road trips. For where I would want to road trip and EV (~670 miles one way) the tech is basically there with the Lucid's. It's only 1-2 generations before that trickles down a bit into more of a middle/premium pricepoint. Plus the battery tech gets better too by then. I still think a plug-in hybrid with a small diesel would be the perfect vehicle for most people but the EPA fucked us there. I've thought about getting a 2019 Volt Premier for shits and giggles to try for awhile. They killed it right when it got *really* good with a little more range and faster charging. GM's gonna GM though lol. Yeah, but...have you looked at how much the Lucid costs? Go be poor somewhere else, lol! |
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Quoted: What you are ignoring is that 80% is only true because there are so few EVs on the road right now and those people probably upgraded their electric service to support that. The majority of people can not and will not be able to charge at home due to a lack of 200 amp service, lack of heated garage, lack of infrastructure for everybody to charge their EV over night at home. LOL very very few people have the infrastructure in their house and certainly not in their apartment to charge an EV at home. Now add in the extra transmission capacity of those 80% of people charging their EV at home even if their home electric power was upgraded, the infrastructure to the house is not available to be upgraded except at very high cost. I live in a subdivision built in the mid to late 1980s. Everybody has 100 amp service. The power is all underground. These are 500,000 to 900,000 homes and they don't have it. Now do apartment buildings with no garages. Nobody is even talking about upgrading any of that. If everybody is going to charge their EV overnight, that power requirement will be needed in residential areas. 200 houses charging 50 KW over 10 hours. is 5 KW/hr. 5 KW per hour x 200 houses is 1000 KW or 1 Mega Watt Hour additional transmission capability Now do the math for every household having at least 2 cars not just the charging capability, but the service capability LOL. Now add in your kids visiting for the weekend. My shithole communist state has banned the sale of ICE engines for anything starting in 2035. 12 years from now, and they aren't even thinking about town distribution infrastructure upgrades. Good luck with that math. To be fair, most, if not all, EV owners could get by with a well-insulated attached garage. I have a one-car insulated garage in my on-post house on Drum, and it stays in the low 40's throughout the winter when the outside temp is in the teens or single digits. That's if they own a house with a garage. Condo/Apartment dwellers, or houses without garages, may be well and truly fucked. Is there not a way to put a battery blanket or something similar around the batteries in the EVs to help insulate them in colder temps? |
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Quoted: Lol damn gd. Damn. If the gov wants to control your movements they will just take your license. Ever think of that one? If gov wants to control your movement with ice they will make the price of gas go up. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy. Relax a little. If you don't want a ev..... don't get one  |
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Quoted: The first is already in EV’s, it’s called regenerative braking. Not the same. He's talking about having an alternator that runs off each wheel that provides electrical power to charge the battery pack while the car is cruising down the highway, not just when the car uses the brakes. |
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Quoted: Okay, I am not getting through. This is your answer. The government is using your taxes to destroy traditional generation. The government is hampering the improvement of the T&D systems. The government is using your tax dollars to implement smart grid across the country. If you are not in the industry you may not understand what this does, but it basically allows complete load shed control, if not at the meter then to an upstream device. It's almost like they want the system to fail so people will embrace their control. How are you going to charge your car or your battery appliances when they turn off the spigot? Oh, I can make my own electricity! Really? No, they will have complete control over that as well. Like the iphone example. Does the digital control of your tools, appliances make more sense now in the IOT? Their propaganda runs so deep people won't accept that traditional fuels can be made at home. Ethanol or running beans through a press is not rocket science. But don't worry, they already installed fuel sensors in new vehicles to put your car into limp mode if you try this. They are building the prison and most are too arrogant to accept their demise. @BigPolska I’m not sure if I’d say arrogant, I’m going to call it as it is, “to stupid” to accept their demise. |
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Quoted: @BigPolska I’m not sure if I’d say arrogant, I’m going to call it as it is, “to stupid” to accept their demise. I have been careful to not use labels in this thread, even as others have attacked me personally. I don't think people are thinking critically about how there are no freedoms when all your options are removed. ...it is not looking good for future America 
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Quoted: Lol damn gd. Damn. If the gov wants to control your movements they will just take your license. Ever think of that one? If gov wants to control your movement with ice they will make the price of gas go up. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy. Relax a little. If you don't want a ev..... don't get one Yes how on Earth would I drive my car without an up to date piece of plastic in my pocket. I know my car won’t even start without a driver’s license, right? And when gas gets more expensive I just have to pay more, it’s not completely unavailable. If you don’t think our benevolent, kind government doesn’t have nefarious plans behind the entire green movement, then you seriously can’t be helped. |
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Quoted: We talking transmission level? Cause not that hard. This cable if I dropped it in at 230 kV would comfortably support 40k plus chargers running at the same time with ample head room. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/636accr-2734520.jpg Yes, because the clearances required to hang ACSR off 2 foot long bells right through a neighborhood would cause less backlash than my earlier example of running it through BFE. See my earlier post about NIMBY |
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Quoted: I have been careful to not use labels in this thread, even as others have attacked me personally. I don't think people are thinking critically about how there are no freedoms when all your options are removed. ...it is not looking good for future America Quoted: Quoted: @BigPolska I’m not sure if I’d say arrogant, I’m going to call it as it is, “to stupid” to accept their demise. I have been careful to not use labels in this thread, even as others have attacked me personally. I don't think people are thinking critically about how there are no freedoms when all your options are removed. ...it is not looking good for future America No, and I agree. It’s just that so many come to these threads talking about all the greatness of EV’s while completely ignoring the obvious. I will say stupidity since that’s what it is they compare EV charging stations to gas stations of a 100 years ago. If you used their argument of a 100 years ago it still fails for two reasons, 1. Private industry built the gas station network, not government, and 2, if it took 100 years to build what we have today, how can anyone expect a EV charging infrastructure in 10 years? They fail to recognize that mining gets the materials needed for EV’s never accepting we don’t mine those materials. They also fail to accept that dead batteries need to be dealt with, the real big issue that they refuse to accept, power. Where is the power needed to fill this additional strain on a maxed out power grid, we are already seeing issues now without the added EV demand. There are rolling blackouts and brownouts, there simply is not enough power generation for demand now. Now let’s look at the war on fossil fuel derived power generation, what happens when the climate change crowd get that removed? We will never build another dam in this country, nuclear looks highly doubtful, coal it’s on borrowed time, and natural gas will be next. Climate change idiots feel solar, and wind will make up the difference. How’s that working? So for sake of giving the EV crowd their argument of green power production actually providing electricity, how exactly do you or them expect to get the power from its generation source to where the end user needs it? We cannot move the power we can make now here in Washington. Often wind turbine farms have to be shut down due to dams having to spill water for saving the salmon so that spilled water is used for generation, problem is they max out the transmission system so wind farms have to shut down. I’ve got a good friend who works for BPA and he will flat out tell you our electrical grid is a old, maxed out system needing hundreds of billions of repair, replacement and upgrading. I have other friends who work at some of the Columbia river dams here and they all say the same thing, they can generate more then can be moved. I’ve also heard how wind farms are really nothing more than a scam, they get paid to generate or not, thanks to government subsidies. This sounds like EV’s, if the government was not tilting the decks by credits and subsidies would we see them being rammed down our throats like we do? Would auto makers be spending the money they are on them? This is government attempting to tell the free market what to do based on their agenda. |
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Quoted: Yes, because the clearances required to hang ACSR off 2 foot long bells right through a neighborhood would cause less backlash than my earlier example of running it through BFE. See my earlier post about NIMBY Quoted: Quoted: We talking transmission level? Cause not that hard. This cable if I dropped it in at 230 kV would comfortably support 40k plus chargers running at the same time with ample head room. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/636accr-2734520.jpg Yes, because the clearances required to hang ACSR off 2 foot long bells right through a neighborhood would cause less backlash than my earlier example of running it through BFE. See my earlier post about NIMBY I’ll say it again, there is so much stupid anytime EV’s are a topic. Remove all credits and subsidies, then let’s see how EV’s fair. I’ve brought up the power and grid issues, now how about taxes? How long before road taxes are assessed? How long before credits are gone? EV’s will have to become a stand on their own merits, then what? |
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Quoted: ...snip....This is government attempting to tell the free market what to do based on their agenda. They crash the system so the masses embrace the new paradigm, and get rich in the process. It's not a conspiracy theory if has happened time after time again. If you try to point this out you are attacked. Nothing you or I can do to stop what is coming, can't make people reject propaganda and think critically
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Quoted: They crash the system so the masses embrace the new paradigm, and get rich in the process. It's not a conspiracy theory if has happened time after time again. If you try to point this out you are attacked. Nothing you or I can do to stop what is coming, can't make people reject propaganda and think critically Quoted: Quoted: ...snip....This is government attempting to tell the free market what to do based on their agenda. They crash the system so the masses embrace the new paradigm, and get rich in the process. It's not a conspiracy theory if has happened time after time again. If you try to point this out you are attacked. Nothing you or I can do to stop what is coming, can't make people reject propaganda and think critically True, the stupid will lead us all over a cliff by default. |
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Quoted: I like liquid fuel... available everywhere... that takes 5 minutes or less to "charge" my vehicle. EV is a solution in search of a problem. EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. |
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Quoted: Yeah, but...have you looked at how much the Lucid costs? Go be poor somewhere else, lol! Quoted: Quoted: I have three vehicles between the wife and I. At least two could easily be EV with the usage/range they get yearly. All three could be EV as well as long as you properly account for charging at home savings vs delays of charging on the road for longer road trips. For where I would want to road trip and EV (~670 miles one way) the tech is basically there with the Lucid's. It's only 1-2 generations before that trickles down a bit into more of a middle/premium pricepoint. Plus the battery tech gets better too by then. I still think a plug-in hybrid with a small diesel would be the perfect vehicle for most people but the EPA fucked us there. I've thought about getting a 2019 Volt Premier for shits and giggles to try for awhile. They killed it right when it got *really* good with a little more range and faster charging. GM's gonna GM though lol. Yeah, but...have you looked at how much the Lucid costs? Go be poor somewhere else, lol!  
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Quoted: EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. Quoted: Quoted: I like liquid fuel... available everywhere... that takes 5 minutes or less to "charge" my vehicle. EV is a solution in search of a problem. EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. For now most applications make little to no sense. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. This is true; but Biden’s I am going to force this down your throat even if you don’t want it is the problem. Public money should not go towards financing the whims of rich people to infancy their ego. If the electric cars were financially feasible then charging stations would be built with private money. |
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. I agree. I have even considered buying one of them for the wife to drive as she only drives locally. |
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Quoted: For now most applications make little to no sense. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like liquid fuel... available everywhere... that takes 5 minutes or less to "charge" my vehicle. EV is a solution in search of a problem. EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. For now most applications make little to no sense. Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. |
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Quoted: This is true; but Biden's I am going to force this down your throat even if you don't want it is the problem. Public money should not go towards financing the whims of rich people to infancy their This whole thing is about making the rich richer by pushing an unwanted, unneeded product on us that the ultra rich have invested heavily into. |
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Quoted: EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. Quoted: Quoted: I like liquid fuel... available everywhere... that takes 5 minutes or less to "charge" my vehicle. EV is a solution in search of a problem. EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. |
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Quoted: Yes, because the clearances required to hang ACSR off 2 foot long bells right through a neighborhood would cause less backlash than my earlier example of running it through BFE. See my earlier post about NIMBY Quoted: Quoted: We talking transmission level? Cause not that hard. This cable if I dropped it in at 230 kV would comfortably support 40k plus chargers running at the same time with ample head room. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/636accr-2734520.jpg Yes, because the clearances required to hang ACSR off 2 foot long bells right through a neighborhood would cause less backlash than my earlier example of running it through BFE. See my earlier post about NIMBY What I posted was accr, in general if we are needing to increase capacity for an established area I’m almost always going with a higher temp rated reconductor. The second you go new build in an established area you might was well break out the check book to deal with all the open review idiots that will delay you every step of the way. Would a new line be better? Definitely. But people drastically under estimate the cost of building new shit in established areas. Delay costs rack up into the multi millions fast. |
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Quoted: Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . But again the bottom line in this EV nonsense is OUR CURRENT ELECTRICAL SUPPLY CAN NOT SUPPORT MORE ELECTRICAL DEMAND WITHOUT BUILDING 1: NEW ELECTRICAL GENERATION PLANTS AND 2: AN IMPROVED ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. Fix this first then let the FREE MARKET decide who wants EVs. |
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Quoted: I’ll say it again, there is so much stupid anytime EV’s are a topic. Remove all credits and subsidies, then let’s see how EV’s fair. I’ve brought up the power and grid issues, now how about taxes? How long before road taxes are assessed? How long before credits are gone? EV’s will have to become a stand on their own merits, then what? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We talking transmission level? Cause not that hard. This cable if I dropped it in at 230 kV would comfortably support 40k plus chargers running at the same time with ample head room. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/636accr-2734520.jpg Yes, because the clearances required to hang ACSR off 2 foot long bells right through a neighborhood would cause less backlash than my earlier example of running it through BFE. See my earlier post about NIMBY I’ll say it again, there is so much stupid anytime EV’s are a topic. Remove all credits and subsidies, then let’s see how EV’s fair. I’ve brought up the power and grid issues, now how about taxes? How long before road taxes are assessed? How long before credits are gone? EV’s will have to become a stand on their own merits, then what? We saw what happened when the wind subsidies died the industry went into a cash buring tailspin. Ge renewable lost $800M...apply the same to EVs and they would crash and burn in 2 years. Yeah I know tesla lost the subsidies and were still selling but for how long? Tesla is a tech company making cars. History is littered with car companies that had great tech but died. There is no guarantee and absent corporate welfare history says they are more likely to fail than succeed. |
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Quoted: But how many of those passenger vehicles owners live in apartments.? I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . Quoted: Quoted: Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. |
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Quoted: FIFY This whole thing is about making the rich richer by pushing an unwanted, unneeded product on us that the ultra rich have invested heavily into. Quoted: Quoted: This is true; but Biden's I am going to force this down your throat even if you don't want it is the problem. Public money should not go towards financing the whims of rich people to infancy their This whole thing is about making the rich richer by pushing an unwanted, unneeded product on us that the ultra rich have invested heavily into. Don't forget more expensive as well. The only thing green about green tech is the money flowing into well connected peoples pockets. |
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Quoted: Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like liquid fuel... available everywhere... that takes 5 minutes or less to "charge" my vehicle. EV is a solution in search of a problem. EV is a solution to a few problems, and it does very well within it's niche. For now there's a few applications where they make little to no sense, and a few where they make perfect sense. Which is okay, because that's the cool thing about tech, it can be catered to individual needs. For now most applications make little to no sense. Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. This is the typical argument used by EV proponents. It makes sense for commuting. Well it does until it doesn’t. Sooner then later subsidizes are going to end. Soon road use taxes will be required, as more and more buy into the lie, power will become a issue so charging won’t be cheap or always affordable. Can you explain how a EV makes more sense then a IC for a short commute to work, sure right now the government is making it make sense, but what if the tables were even? |
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Quoted: That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. In certain markets and climates. What you should be asking is at what saturation point does the proliferation of EVs start to overwhelm the distribution grids capacity? It's well below 30% adoption. And you're more likely to see concentrated adoption in more affluent areas because of the cost of EVs and associated accessories needed such as the charger. There is zero intelligence in the grid at the distribution level past the substation it was and is too expensive outside of smart meters which are not really real time devices. That's why they're looking at communicating with the cars. Point being the grid is not ready it will take years and the industry is already slammed with year + long lead times. We simply can't produce enough transformers right now among other things. |
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Quoted: That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. How many of the multi vehicle homes can afford or benefit from upgraded power supply to run rapid chargers? How many of those homes are or soon will be subject to rolling black or brown outs? How many will be told you can’t charge between the hours of so and so? How long before power rates go higher? What happens when the road taxes kick in? Disposal fees for batteries? Changes are coming that the government can’t hide because they are creating the new problems. Take away all subsidies and let’s see exactly what the free market decides. |
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Quoted: But how many of those passenger vehicles owners live in apartments.? I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . But again the bottom line in this EV nonsense is OUR CURRENT ELECTRICAL SUPPLY CAN NOT SUPPORT MORE ELECTRICAL DEMAND WITHOUT BUILDING 1: NEW ELECTRICAL GENERATION PLANTS AND 2: AN IMPROVED ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. Fix this first then let the FREE MARKET decide who wants EVs. Tons of new generation is coming online, it’s just not coal. It’s not really a concern of will we have enough, the cost of it might be to you though…. For the distribution side the answer is no. No one is going to replace distribution country wide for load that might come. If load starts rising we replace lines, you don’t preemptively do it. |
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Quoted: That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an fixed for you 
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Quoted: That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Define most? The vast majority of passenger vehicles are used to commute daily, and well within the typical EV range. I would wager 20% and they are not able to charge at home. . That's still a huge chunk. I wouldn't be surprised if the market share of people that can viably use an EV instead of ICE is probably over 30% with the current limitations. That gap will only shrink over time. In multi vehicle homes I bet at least half would be well served by an EV as one of the vehicles. But how are those multivehicle households better served by one being an electric town car (can't make it very far out of town) when both being ICE makes it possible for either/or to be used for a longer trip? ICE vehicles, from my point of view, just offer more convenience and flexability. When fast chargers are available along any particular route you want or need to take, maybe I'll review my thoughts on them. |
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Quoted: In certain markets and climates. What you should be asking is at what saturation point does the proliferation of EVs start to overwhelm the distribution grids capacity? It's well below 30% adoption. And you're more likely to see concentrated adoption in more affluent areas because of the cost of EVs and associated accessories needed such as the charger. There is zero intelligence in the grid at the distribution level past the substation it was and is too expensive outside of smart meters which are not really real time devices. That's why they're looking at communicating with the cars. Point being the grid is not ready it will take years and the industry is already slammed with year + long lead times. We simply can't produce enough transformers right now among other things. Dealing with 36 to 72 month lead times on BES equipment right now
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Quoted: I’ll say it again, there is so much stupid anytime EV’s are a topic. Remove all credits and subsidies, then let’s see how EV’s fair. I’ve brought up the power and grid issues, now how about taxes? How long before road taxes are assessed? How long before credits are gone? EV’s will have to become a stand on their own merits, then what? If the popularity of commodity is based on hysteria and propaganda, how "revolutionary," how... "necessary"... could it possibly be? |