[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Electric vehicle drivers get candid about charging: 'Logistical nightmare' (Page 6 of 12)
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Quoted: The real problem with EVs is they are trying to force this shit in a matter of ~10 years. A complete shift to EV could take an actual generation or more. That's the problem with all these policies. People are trying to enact change in THEIR lifetime for THEIR legacy. A lot of these changes need years to develop and build in a gradual manner rather than "rip the bandaid" type trajectories megalomaniacs try to employ. It's very selfish and causes more damage than actually dealing with the issues in a measured way. People would be a lot more accepting of change over time than forcing stuff down our throats; especially when a lot of it is half baked and causes more problems in the immediate time frame than fixes in the long term. |
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Yep. One would make sense for us about 350 days per year. To/from home, work, daycare, and some errands. Ideally we would sell my wife's station wagon for one and keep my truck. The problem is that it would cost another $10-15k beyond what I can get for my wife's 5 yo station wagon to buy one, and that $10-15k buys a lot of gas. |
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Quoted: Redneck republicans cant seem to grasp this concept. Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Redneck republicans cant seem to grasp this concept. No my rocket scientist friend, it's you who doesn't seem to grasp the reality of it. Attached File |
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Quoted: Now fools will learn why smart meters were installed. Enjoy your demand ratchet on your bill. Amazing how ignorant people are. But my environment! No, just another way for players and politicians to break something and offer a solution that they profit from. But, I don’t have to buy gas!!!!! |
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Quoted: 100 years ago the .gov wasn't banning horses and making people buy horseless carriages. This isn't the same thing. Quoted: Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. This isn't the same thing. EV's are such a great idea that the government has to force them on you. |
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Quoted: You don't get to decide what other people's needs are. Quoted: Quoted: We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. Why is the government pushing unnecessary, inefficient, tech that's not ready for prime time, when there are so many better options? That's a better place to start. |
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Quoted: Imagine the size of the electric cables needed to upgrade this nightmare inducing neighborhood to be able to support even 10% of the homes having EVs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/522423/SUBURBS-2263490.jpg Attached File |
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Quoted: We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Very true. However, very few people can afford to buy a special purpose vehicle. One would have to have a road trip/extended trip/vacation vehicle like some flavor if ICE SUV or minivan, and pickup truck to home projects, and one or more EVs for commuting to/from work. Makes no sense, and no vehicle will do all of those well. Therefore people will compromise since they can afford only 1 or 2 cars. That's how you end up with EV owners stuck with a dead battery on a road trip, or people commuting to/from their office job in pickup truck. Since being stuck in a rote location in a EV in winter is a safety concern for multiple reasons, most will just live with the inefficiency of the ICE. We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic.  no one has done the math, stop lying! |
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Quoted: No my rocket scientist friend, it's you who doesn't seem to grasp the reality of it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/istockphoto-960093634-1024x1024_jpg-2733616.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Redneck republicans cant seem to grasp this concept. No my rocket scientist friend, it's you who doesn't seem to grasp the reality of it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/288245/istockphoto-960093634-1024x1024_jpg-2733616.JPG Attached File |
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Quoted: "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all.  Quoted: Quoted: Not a problem for Tesla owners. The nav software will route you to a supercharger on your route if you need one. Why do boomers hate EVs so much? "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all. Those same boomers are still pissed that points, carbs, and rear wheel drive went away |
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Quoted: Those same boomers are still pissed that points, carbs, and rear wheel drive went away Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a problem for Tesla owners. The nav software will route you to a supercharger on your route if you need one. Why do boomers hate EVs so much? "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all. Those same boomers are still pissed that points, carbs, and rear wheel drive went away Yeah, I'm sure it's the same people. |
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Quoted: Tesla Superchargers work fine... other than there's not enough of them. Right, if only there were more Tesla Superchargers everything would be ok. Because we all know it's all for the environment. Attached File |
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Quoted: "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all. Quoted: Quoted: Not a problem for Tesla owners. The nav software will route you to a supercharger on your route if you need one. Why do boomers hate EVs so much? "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all. One of the key tactics of debate is getting your opponent to accept your premises. Arguing the pros and cons of EVs gives an easy win to the other side. |
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Quoted: Yuppers Quoted: Quoted: If there were only an option where a vehicle could run on batteries on short trips and around town and also be able to charge itself and use readily available fuel to power itself on the long hauls. If only..... Yuppers |
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Quoted: It's funny how dwfensive people get when you point out that the emperor has no clothes on. One of the key tactics of debate is getting your opponent to accept your premises. Arguing the pros and cons of EVs gives an easy win to the other side. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a problem for Tesla owners. The nav software will route you to a supercharger on your route if you need one. Why do boomers hate EVs so much? "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all. One of the key tactics of debate is getting your opponent to accept your premises. Arguing the pros and cons of EVs gives an easy win to the other side. Setting aside the environmental disaster that will be created by forcing people to use EVs, what's very concerning for me is what they're (globalist) actually trying to accomplish with their EV push. I'm not against new technologies and advancements, I'm just against them using those advancements to accomplish thier nefarious goals! Fortunately for us they're moving too fast and overreaching, which is waking people up. Well when I say people I mean people outside GD's rocket scientist class. |
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Quoted: I have often thought "why isn't there a mini alternator in each wheel" to charge an EV as it's rolling. Also, why isn't there solar panel paint technology so the whole vehicle charges on a sunny day? The first is already in EV’s, it’s called regenerative braking. |
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Quoted: Setting aside the environmental disaster that will be created by forcing people to use EVs, what's very concerning for me is what they're (globalist) actually trying to accomplish with their EV push. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a problem for Tesla owners. The nav software will route you to a supercharger on your route if you need one. Why do boomers hate EVs so much? "Why do boomers hate EVs so much?" Well I'm guessing it's because they understand the reality of it all. One of the key tactics of debate is getting your opponent to accept your premises. Arguing the pros and cons of EVs gives an easy win to the other side. Setting aside the environmental disaster that will be created by forcing people to use EVs, what's very concerning for me is what they're (globalist) actually trying to accomplish with their EV push. The propaganda surrounding EVs is insane. Yet, that's not what people want to talk about. They want to talk about whether or not EVs can suit the average family's needs. They've bought into the hype hook line and sinker, and don't even seem to realize it. It's like arguing over what COVID vaccine is better, Phizer or Moderna? I'd rather discuss whether either is even necessary first. And if they're not, why are they being forced down our throats? |
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Quoted: Have you bought a new vehicle of any type lately? Most of them have a phone app, although not mandatory, it won't be long. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. Apparently, a lot of people do. For some reason I went down the youtube EV rabbit hole last night. Started with people bitching about the Ferd F150 EV truck charging issues and went down to bricked Teslas from there. Ho Le Fuk, just the fact that you pretty much must have a phone and app to do just about anything with these vehicles is enough to nope me out. Have you bought a new vehicle of any type lately? Most of them have a phone app, although not mandatory, it won't be long. The irony in that. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. You miss the whole point. One hundred years ago the government wasn't forcing people to buy cars. In the 1920s gas was 21-30 cents a gallon. That is the same price it was in the early 60s. We are being manipulated into buying something that is clearly a scam. |
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. And who will never take vacations again. |
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Quoted: Redneck republicans cant seem to grasp this concept. Yup,I hope one day ev's make life easier but tech is way off. Same with gas engines when they first were introduced in sure. The smart families I know run ev's for commuting with a second gas vehicle for trips. The best part are those who don't plan for this and buy a single vehicle that's an EV then complain when it took them twice as long to travel long distance. Did read an article about someone with some common sense, wanted an EV and read both sides of the argument so he rented one to see how bad it really was for long trips.. he was going from Florida to North Dakota or something and it usually takes 12 hours. Said the ordeal with an EV was a nightmare. In cold areas the battery life sucked and charging stations took hours. |
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Quoted: At what cost? Can the average middle class American afford it? Quoted: Quoted: You are coming of as paranoid now. It was a simple question. You can go buy solar panels and controllers today, right now, and start charging up an EV at your house. At what cost? Can the average middle class American afford it? These myopic posters believe the entire world looks exactly as it does outside their window. The idea that someone else's life, needs, wants, desires, doesn't match theirs is something they can't process. |
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Quoted: Think critically about this. You are paying for a system that gives complete control over your movement to the government when there is nothing wrong with the existing technologies. Ask yourself why they are pushing EVs instead of hybrid techn iday.until next Frologies... Just wait for the brownouts and blackouts. No power, oh dear, your recharge rationing card says you have to wait until next Friday. The screams will be a hoot. |
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Quoted: Save your energy. These myopic posters believe the entire world looks exactly as it does outside their window. The idea that someone else's life, needs, wants, desires, doesn't match theirs is something they can't process. That is a hilariously ironic quote coming from someone on the anti-ev side. You know the side that for some reason cannot fucking stop talking about how much EVs suck even though they make total sense for some people. I wonder how many threads about gas vehicles sucking I'd find on a Tesla forum, you think they post at least one a day like GD does about EVs? |
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Quoted: Correct it's unique, but some are being opened up to others but of course using an adapter to fit the Tesla plug. It's a shit idea if you are a Tesla owner. The big 3 have the resources to install their own networks. I think even with the "mandates" it will be a while before we see a large percentage of adoption. Either way somewhere around 20% is probably about right and will take a very long time. If you can't charge at home don't buy one. Be one of the 70-80% of people still driving ICE powered. Quoted: Quoted: People are unaware that the Tesla chargers are specific to Teslas ONLY? All other EVs have a universal charging port. But not Tesla's, theirs is unique. Correct it's unique, but some are being opened up to others but of course using an adapter to fit the Tesla plug. It's a shit idea if you are a Tesla owner. The big 3 have the resources to install their own networks. Quoted: Negative. Many cannot charge them at their apartment/condo/row house. Many cannot afford one. Maximum 20% EV market share in the USA in a free market. I think even with the "mandates" it will be a while before we see a large percentage of adoption. Either way somewhere around 20% is probably about right and will take a very long time. Quoted: Except the apartment dwellers. If you can't charge at home don't buy one. Be one of the 70-80% of people still driving ICE powered. Apartment dwellers are the source of used EV's after learning they made a screwed up decision. |
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Quoted: Yeah, and I'm not worried. NY went through this with the background check on ammo in SAFE. They had no plan to implement it, and couldn't implement it, so it got ignored. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The government always makes BS claims they can't back. ICE isn't going anywhere for a long time, simply because it can't go anywhere for a long time. Doesn't mean improving existing infrastructure is a bad thing. Have you been paying any attention to Gov Hochul? Yeah, and I'm not worried. NY went through this with the background check on ammo in SAFE. They had no plan to implement it, and couldn't implement it, so it got ignored. So, you think she won't ban propane/NG appliances? You don't think all new construction must be electric heat cook etc. is just going away? |
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Quoted: That is a hilariously ironic quote coming from someone on the anti-ev side. You know the side that for some reason cannot fucking stop talking about how much EVs suck even though they make total sense for some people. I wonder how many threads about gas vehicles sucking I'd find on a Tesla forum, you think they post at least one a day like GD does about EVs? Quoted: Quoted: Save your energy. These myopic posters believe the entire world looks exactly as it does outside their window. The idea that someone else's life, needs, wants, desires, doesn't match theirs is something they can't process. That is a hilariously ironic quote coming from someone on the anti-ev side. You know the side that for some reason cannot fucking stop talking about how much EVs suck even though they make total sense for some people. I wonder how many threads about gas vehicles sucking I'd find on a Tesla forum, you think they post at least one a day like GD does about EVs? I don't support the government picking what the winners and losers are supposed to be. |
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Quoted: Are you saying that the USDOT spent billions trying to get charging station infrastructure in place, and it's not working effectively, so they have to beg Tesla to open up their charging stations to other makes of EVs? I guess Tesla drivers will now have to get used to waiting for the unwashed masses to charge their "mustangs" and Leafs. Wonder if it’s legal to charge more for non Tesla owners to subsidize Tesla owners useage |
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Quoted: You don't get to decide what other people's needs are. Quoted: Quoted: We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. Needs are easy to quantify. It's wants that have a lot of play. |
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Quoted: no one has done the math, stop lying! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Very true. However, very few people can afford to buy a special purpose vehicle. One would have to have a road trip/extended trip/vacation vehicle like some flavor if ICE SUV or minivan, and pickup truck to home projects, and one or more EVs for commuting to/from work. Makes no sense, and no vehicle will do all of those well. Therefore people will compromise since they can afford only 1 or 2 cars. That's how you end up with EV owners stuck with a dead battery on a road trip, or people commuting to/from their office job in pickup truck. Since being stuck in a rote location in a EV in winter is a safety concern for multiple reasons, most will just live with the inefficiency of the ICE. We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. no one has done the math, stop lying! A few people in a thread last year did exactly that using easy to find stats about how many people commute to work, how many miles that commute is, and how many vehicles the average home has. The vast majority of people use their vehicle almost exclusively to get back and forth to work and run errands, and the majority of those people do all of that inside a 20 mile radius. Searching the archives doesn't work anymore, or I would try to find it. |
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Quoted: A few people in a thread last year did exactly that using easy to find stats about how many people commute to work, how many miles that commute is, and how many vehicles the average home has. The vast majority of people use their vehicle almost exclusively to get back and forth to work and run errands, and the majority of those people do all of that inside a 20 mile radius. Searching the archives doesn't work anymore, or I would try to find it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Very true. However, very few people can afford to buy a special purpose vehicle. One would have to have a road trip/extended trip/vacation vehicle like some flavor if ICE SUV or minivan, and pickup truck to home projects, and one or more EVs for commuting to/from work. Makes no sense, and no vehicle will do all of those well. Therefore people will compromise since they can afford only 1 or 2 cars. That's how you end up with EV owners stuck with a dead battery on a road trip, or people commuting to/from their office job in pickup truck. Since being stuck in a rote location in a EV in winter is a safety concern for multiple reasons, most will just live with the inefficiency of the ICE. We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. no one has done the math, stop lying! A few people in a thread last year did exactly that using easy to find stats about how many people commute to work, how many miles that commute is, and how many vehicles the average home has. The vast majority of people use their vehicle almost exclusively to get back and forth to work and run errands, and the majority of those people do all of that inside a 20 mile radius. Searching the archives doesn't work anymore, or I would try to find it. There is no way anyone did the math. Here I'll show you, how is the heater and air conditioner powered in an electric vehicle? |
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Quoted: There is no way anyone did the math. Here I'll show you, how is the heater and air conditioner powered in an electric vehicle? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Very true. However, very few people can afford to buy a special purpose vehicle. One would have to have a road trip/extended trip/vacation vehicle like some flavor if ICE SUV or minivan, and pickup truck to home projects, and one or more EVs for commuting to/from work. Makes no sense, and no vehicle will do all of those well. Therefore people will compromise since they can afford only 1 or 2 cars. That's how you end up with EV owners stuck with a dead battery on a road trip, or people commuting to/from their office job in pickup truck. Since being stuck in a rote location in a EV in winter is a safety concern for multiple reasons, most will just live with the inefficiency of the ICE. We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. no one has done the math, stop lying! A few people in a thread last year did exactly that using easy to find stats about how many people commute to work, how many miles that commute is, and how many vehicles the average home has. The vast majority of people use their vehicle almost exclusively to get back and forth to work and run errands, and the majority of those people do all of that inside a 20 mile radius. Searching the archives doesn't work anymore, or I would try to find it. There is no way anyone did the math. Here I'll show you, how is the heater and air conditioner powered in an electric vehicle? It was based entirely on average mileage for commuters. Why does the AC and heat play into that when you can leave every day with a full battery? |
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Quoted: There is no way anyone did the math. Here I'll show you, how is the heater and air conditioner powered in an electric vehicle? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Very true. However, very few people can afford to buy a special purpose vehicle. One would have to have a road trip/extended trip/vacation vehicle like some flavor if ICE SUV or minivan, and pickup truck to home projects, and one or more EVs for commuting to/from work. Makes no sense, and no vehicle will do all of those well. Therefore people will compromise since they can afford only 1 or 2 cars. That's how you end up with EV owners stuck with a dead battery on a road trip, or people commuting to/from their office job in pickup truck. Since being stuck in a rote location in a EV in winter is a safety concern for multiple reasons, most will just live with the inefficiency of the ICE. We've done the math on this before, and it worked out so something like 60-70% of working people would be perfectly well served by owning an EV. We used the numbers for people that commute and how far that commute was, and how many homes have more than one vehicle. In my personal case, my wife's vehicle could easily be an EV (and probably will be some day, I'm not going to build a garage at this place just to charge one, she can't use my shop). A full charge can handle her entire weekly commute, and although we often use her vehicle for trips, we could alter that if needed, depending on distance and charge availability. I have no use for one as a primary vehicle, I do too many miles and haul a trailer most of the time. Many many households have a similar dynamic. no one has done the math, stop lying! A few people in a thread last year did exactly that using easy to find stats about how many people commute to work, how many miles that commute is, and how many vehicles the average home has. The vast majority of people use their vehicle almost exclusively to get back and forth to work and run errands, and the majority of those people do all of that inside a 20 mile radius. Searching the archives doesn't work anymore, or I would try to find it. There is no way anyone did the math. Here I'll show you, how is the heater and air conditioner powered in an electric vehicle? Heat pump, just like many houses. |