[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Electric vehicle drivers get candid about charging: 'Logistical nightmare' (Page 3 of 12)
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Quoted: You didn't and you know it. What can you make at your own home easier, electricity or gasoline? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You didn't answer my question. I did, you didn't like the answer. Compare EVs to a cashless society. Consolidate control of the masses to those that make the rules. What could go wrong? You didn't and you know it. What can you make at your own home easier, electricity or gasoline? Okay, I am not getting through. This is your answer. The government is using your taxes to destroy traditional generation. The government is hampering the improvement of the T&D systems. The government is using your tax dollars to implement smart grid across the country. If you are not in the industry you may not understand what this does, but it basically allows complete load shed control, if not at the meter then to an upstream device. It's almost like they want the system to fail so people will embrace their control. How are you going to charge your car or your battery appliances when they turn off the spigot? Oh, I can make my own electricity! Really? No, they will have complete control over that as well. Like the iphone example. Does the digital control of your tools, appliances make more sense now in the IOT? Their propaganda runs so deep people won't accept that traditional fuels can be made at home. Ethanol or running beans through a press is not rocket science. But don't worry, they already installed fuel sensors in new vehicles to put your car into limp mode if you try this. They are building the prison and most are too arrogant to accept their demise. |
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Quoted: My newest truck is a 19. It doesn't require a phone to do anything, including filling the tank. Quoted: Quoted: Have you bought a new vehicle of any type lately? Most of them have a phone app, although not mandatory, it won't be long. My newest truck is a 19. It doesn't require a phone to do anything, including filling the tank. The cool thing about it, is that much like DRM protected video games and movies, the crackers and hackers will be messing around with the operating systems in cars too and they will be jailbreaking them so you can basically run them "unconnected" if you want to take that risk. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. Maybe not but the difference is that 100 years ago people weren't traveling as far and could carry extra fuel with them |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you can't see why EVs are being pushed on you, I don't know what to tell you. Shutting down the flow of gas isn't enough; the entire infrastructure must be dismantled. What they are doing is pushing us to the point of no return. Only after we have made a complete and irreversible break with the past can their plans come to fruition. |
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Quoted: Okay, I am not getting through. This is your answer. The government is using your taxes to destroy traditional generation. The government is hampering the improvement of the T&D systems. The government is using your tax dollars to implement smart grid across the country. If you are not in the industry you may not understand what this does, but it basically allows complete load shed control, if not at the meter then to an upstream device. It's almost like they want the system to fail so people will embrace their control. How are you going to charge your car or your battery appliances when they turn off the spigot? Oh, I can make my own electricity! Really? No, they will have complete control over that as well. Like the iphone example. Does the digital control of your tools, appliances make more sense now in the IOT? Their propaganda runs so deep people won't accept that traditional fuels can be made at home. Ethanol or running beans through a press is not rocket science. But don't worry, they already installed fuel sensors in new vehicles to put your car into limp mode if you try this. They are building the prison and most are too arrogant to accept their demise. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You didn't answer my question. I did, you didn't like the answer. Compare EVs to a cashless society. Consolidate control of the masses to those that make the rules. What could go wrong? You didn't and you know it. What can you make at your own home easier, electricity or gasoline? Okay, I am not getting through. This is your answer. The government is using your taxes to destroy traditional generation. The government is hampering the improvement of the T&D systems. The government is using your tax dollars to implement smart grid across the country. If you are not in the industry you may not understand what this does, but it basically allows complete load shed control, if not at the meter then to an upstream device. It's almost like they want the system to fail so people will embrace their control. How are you going to charge your car or your battery appliances when they turn off the spigot? Oh, I can make my own electricity! Really? No, they will have complete control over that as well. Like the iphone example. Does the digital control of your tools, appliances make more sense now in the IOT? Their propaganda runs so deep people won't accept that traditional fuels can be made at home. Ethanol or running beans through a press is not rocket science. But don't worry, they already installed fuel sensors in new vehicles to put your car into limp mode if you try this. They are building the prison and most are too arrogant to accept their demise. You are coming of as paranoid now. It was a simple question. You can go buy solar panels and controllers today, right now, and start charging up an EV at your house. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. Attached File |
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Quoted: They can't shut down the flow of gas because the infrastructure for it already exists. What can be shut down, can also be restarted. Shutting down the flow of gas isn't enough; the entire infrastructure must be dismantled. What they are doing is pushing us to the point of no return. Only after we have made a complete and irreversibe break with the past can their plans come to fruition. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you can't see why EVs are being pushed on you, I don't know what to tell you. What can be shut down, can also be restarted. Shutting down the flow of gas isn't enough; the entire infrastructure must be dismantled. What they are doing is pushing us to the point of no return. Only after we have made a complete and irreversibe break with the past can their plans come to fruition. So that same logic can apply to the current electrical grid. The long and short of it is, that if the government wants to shut down transportation, they can and they will...at any time, regardless of type. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. Attached File |
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I think one thing that gets lost in the weeds in these threads, is that it literally won't matter one bit to everyone discussing them. We will all be long dead and EVs will be in common use. It's not an if, it's a when. Natural order of things, technology advances, people don't like it, and a few generations later they look at old tech and view it as quaint. |
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Quoted: I read some dumb things, but this is the one for today. Pray tell how a hybrid system is immune to government control? I can make electricity at home, I can NOT make gasoline. If you think they can only turn off EV cars remotely, surprise! So that is a moot argument. I can't make you think critically, I can't force you to open your eyes. Look at the iphone. Even plugged into a socket it won't charge if they deem it with adaptive charging. You can disable this... for now. You think you will be able to make electricity at home? They will ban ICE generators (like California). They will decide when your PV system works... they will know you have it by the usage on your smart meter. I am sure it will start as a fine, then jail. Go off grid? Good luck. Look at the wood stove bans... It is an impressive, coordinated effort into a dystopian nightmare. |
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Quoted: If you can't see why EVs are being pushed on you, I don't know what to tell you. Quoted: Quoted: I read some dumb things, but this is the one for today. Pray tell how a hybrid system is immune to government control? I can make electricity at home, I can NOT make gasoline. If you think they can only turn off EV cars remotely, surprise! So that is a moot argument. Attached File |
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Quoted: No, I take it back. This is dumbest thing Ive read today. So far. Quoted: Quoted: Go burn a tire or shoot a machine gun safely in your sub division in broad day light and get back to me. The authorities will come for you. Some are happy with this slavery, I am not. This situation is not a win, it in just more incrementalism that is making politicians and their cronies rich. Try collecting rainwater. You think they will allow home generators? You don't think they won't have complete control of your PV system? I am amazed how people are so quick to give up even more of their freedoms. No, I take it back. This is dumbest thing Ive read today. So far. I get it, it is easier to drop a personal attack than deal with reality, no skin off my nose. |
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Quoted: What do you think is sitting inside that car your charging? You could, in theory, use the vehicle as your battery bank, or part of a series of banks. That still doesn't change the fact that most people can get set up to make their own electricity, very few people can make their own gasoline or diesel. Solar electricity is made in the daytime not at night when most people will be home wanting to charge their EVs. Therefore daytime home made electricity will have to be stored in batteries in ones home until the EV is brought home in the evening for charging. Look at the amount of lithium will be needed for all of these new EVs not to mention the amount needed for the home generated electricity storage.  |
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Quoted: Absolutely ICE isnt going anywhere for quite some time. EVs will work perfectly for the vast majority of drivers. Negative. Many cannot charge them at their apartment/condo/row house. Many cannot afford one. Maximum 20% EV market share in the USA in a free market. |
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Quoted: How much cooking oil do you expect to have? Seriously? How much are you going to gasify? You going to replace your diesel / gas consumption with cooking oil diesel? I dont need batteries to charge another battery. Charge up during daylight. How is that so hard to understand? Kind of hard to charge your EV at home at night using solar without a huge battery bank. Diesel is easily available at gas stations, should it be rationed one could produce their own and easily store it at home. |
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Quoted: Except most home made electricity will come from solar. Solar electricity is made in the daytime not at night when most people will be home wanting to charge their EVs. Therefore daytime home made electricity will have to be stored in batteries in ones home until the EV is brought home in the evening for charging. Look at the amount of lithium will be needed for all of these new EVs not to mention the amount needed for the home generated electricity storage. Quoted: Quoted: What do you think is sitting inside that car your charging? You could, in theory, use the vehicle as your battery bank, or part of a series of banks. That still doesn't change the fact that most people can get set up to make their own electricity, very few people can make their own gasoline or diesel. Solar electricity is made in the daytime not at night when most people will be home wanting to charge their EVs. Therefore daytime home made electricity will have to be stored in batteries in ones home until the EV is brought home in the evening for charging. Look at the amount of lithium will be needed for all of these new EVs not to mention the amount needed for the home generated electricity storage. You are assuming we are stuck with lithium batteries. It's just another step with them. Remember when Li-ion knocked Ni-Cad out of the race? The same thing will eventually happen again, energy density will increase and charging rates will decrease. Might be 5 years, might be 50. |
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Quoted: You are literally all over the place. EV, cashless, no more power, cant go anywhere. Shut down the coal plants. Leftist forcing this on us the other Leftists blocking infrastructure improvements to force us to stay put because of a leftist salamander. Gah. But you expect us to trust you because you are very very high up on this. No thanks. Nothing I have said is a lie. If someone would have told you 10 years ago you would be fired/fined/sued for calling a dude with a beard sir when they wanted to be called miss, what you have told them? Embrace the shit reality of clown world. 
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Quoted: EV chargers are not infrastructure. They are private systems not meant to be installed using tax money. Quoted: Quoted: How do you feel about those pesky water mains and gas lines running everywhere? Infrastructure upgrades are nothing new or unique. EV chargers are not infrastructure. They are private systems not meant to be installed using tax money. The grid to support them isn't. |
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Quoted: Most people have their car at work during daylight. Kind of hard to charge your EV at home at night using solar without a huge battery bank. Diesel is easily available at gas stations, should it be rationed one could produce their own and easily store it at home. Quoted: Quoted: How much cooking oil do you expect to have? Seriously? How much are you going to gasify? You going to replace your diesel / gas consumption with cooking oil diesel? I dont need batteries to charge another battery. Charge up during daylight. How is that so hard to understand? Kind of hard to charge your EV at home at night using solar without a huge battery bank. Diesel is easily available at gas stations, should it be rationed one could produce their own and easily store it at home. I don't see that much of a stretch in having a power wall or battery bank installed if you are already committed to capturing solar energy. |
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Quoted: Can you make your own batteries? if not you are at the mercy of Battery manufactures Quoted: Quoted: I make my own electricity in my backyard right here in Puerto Rico. I cannot make my own gasoline. You are at the mercy of the petroleum industry. Can you make your own batteries? if not you are at the mercy of Battery manufactures That argument can be taken all the way down to the raw materials of everything you use or consume. |
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Quoted: What do you think is sitting inside that car your charging? You could, in theory, use the vehicle as your battery bank, or part of a series of banks. That still doesn't change the fact that most people can get set up to make their own electricity, very few people can make their own gasoline or diesel. Computer controlled devices won't allow that. It is the perverse reality of the whole thing. "I am afraid I can't do that Dave" Start thinking of AI involved in this, with a touch of social credit like China and it gets really bleak 
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Quoted: Computer controlled devices won't allow that. It is the perverse reality of the whole thing. "I am afraid I can't do that Dave" Start thinking of AI involved in this, with a touch of social credit like China and it gets really bleak Quoted: Quoted: What do you think is sitting inside that car your charging? You could, in theory, use the vehicle as your battery bank, or part of a series of banks. That still doesn't change the fact that most people can get set up to make their own electricity, very few people can make their own gasoline or diesel. Computer controlled devices won't allow that. It is the perverse reality of the whole thing. "I am afraid I can't do that Dave" Start thinking of AI involved in this, with a touch of social credit like China and it gets really bleak And you think that same system won't also be in place at fueling stations selling gas and diesel? Apply it across the board, because your overloads will. |
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Quoted: OK- Where’s the juice going to come from? New nuclear plants situated near major population centers? We were not trying to replace horse and buggy and trains then. IC powered vehicles were a completely new *method* of personal transport and paradigm shift. Now we are trying to change the operating system. Let’s see how those waits at charging stations go...... Quoted: Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. OK- Where’s the juice going to come from? New nuclear plants situated near major population centers? We were not trying to replace horse and buggy and trains then. IC powered vehicles were a completely new *method* of personal transport and paradigm shift. Now we are trying to change the operating system. Let’s see how those waits at charging stations go...... This is GD, why are you attempting common sense? |
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Quoted: So that same logic can apply to the current electrical grid. The long and short of it is, that if the government wants to shut down transportation, they can and they will...at any time, regardless of type. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you can't see why EVs are being pushed on you, I don't know what to tell you. What can be shut down, can also be restarted. Shutting down the flow of gas isn't enough; the entire infrastructure must be dismantled. What they are doing is pushing us to the point of no return. Only after we have made a complete and irreversibe break with the past can their plans come to fruition. So that same logic can apply to the current electrical grid. The long and short of it is, that if the government wants to shut down transportation, they can and they will...at any time, regardless of type. The history of every Left Wing revolution in history tells us this. This is but the technological manifestation of that. Our enemies seek to burn our bridges with the past, so that once the folly of the direction we've chosen becomes apparent, turning back is no longer an option. |
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Quoted: I don't see that much of a stretch in having a power wall or battery bank installed if you are already committed to capturing solar energy. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much cooking oil do you expect to have? Seriously? How much are you going to gasify? You going to replace your diesel / gas consumption with cooking oil diesel? I dont need batteries to charge another battery. Charge up during daylight. How is that so hard to understand? Kind of hard to charge your EV at home at night using solar without a huge battery bank. Diesel is easily available at gas stations, should it be rationed one could produce their own and easily store it at home. I don't see that much of a stretch in having a power wall or battery bank installed if you are already committed to capturing solar energy. I’m on the fence on if it is needed or not. The tech isn’t really there to make the smart call on it yet or not. It sounds great but when you realize an EV is 6-12 smart wall battery’s and EV to home is coming (and backwards compatible to a lot of evs on the road already) it becomes a question of is it worth it. I think I might just for the automatic transfer. |
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Quoted: You are assuming we are stuck with lithium batteries. It's just another step with them. Remember when Li-ion knocked Ni-Cad out of the race? The same thing will eventually happen again, energy density will increase and charging rates will decrease. Might be 5 years, might be 50. So you see no problem mining enough lithium for all the new EVs not to mention all the lithium for the new battery banks required? Or mining this new mystery material for future batteries in "5 years, might be 50"? How about we wait until the technology is there and affordable and the infrastructure is in place to support this before forcing a ban on ICEs. |
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Except the apartment dwellers. A group at work thought the company should install chargers at the plant. For free charging, naturally. |
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Quoted: You are coming of as paranoid now. It was a simple question. You can go buy solar panels and controllers today, right now, and start charging up an EV at your house. Again, big picture. Go burn a tire, shoot a machine gun. You pay the price. If you try to circumvent their control you will pay a similar price. Look at the poor bastards that try to collect rain water, or a farmer that tampers with a "wetland" They will control charging. They will control everything. It is human nature and we are doomed to repeat history. |
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Quoted: Disagree. Those idiots absolutely do buy them with the expectation that there are fast chargers everywhere and that they should be free. Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. Disagree. Those idiots absolutely do buy them with the expectation that there are fast chargers everywhere and that they should be free. Where are these people? The only Tesla that ever had “free” charging was the earlier model s, a perk from when it was new. Only applied to Tesla superchargers. Even with those if the car was traded in to Tesla the perk was usually removed. It’s a very small number that ever had it to begin with. My first one did, it might have saved me a couple hundred dollars over a few years. For 10’s of thousands of miles I paid for the charging. If one were relying on public charging they are absolutely doing it wrong. The “free” public level 2 chargers are shit idea if you are relying on them to do your charging. As far as the grid, I think the strain will be less less than most think. I went from an S to a 3 and moved about the same time. Didn’t bother installing the level 2 at the new place. In addition to some time in the S I put 11,000 miles on the 3 in 10 months almost exclusively on a standard 15 amp circuit and the included wall connector. You can get about 50 miles of range a day on a standard outlet. I’ve never heard anyone expecting “free” charging. If some place offers it well I guess that’s a little bonus for the time spent there, but it’s not going to get you by and one would be an idiot to rely on it. |
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Quoted: BUT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE TO PAY FOR RECHARGES...I GET TO DRIVE FOR FREE, DAMMIT! It's more along the lines of "what do you mean, there isn't a charger at every gas station and it takes 10x longer to charge the car than to fill the tank of gas?" Either battery and charging stations will have to develop to the point of a <15 minute full charge, or the EV companies will have to engineer a way to quick-change the battery packs. Or... the government will simply outlaw ICE vehicles for private use and we will all have to suck it up and figure it out. For the wife and I, both our vehicles are paid off, and hers does not get driven all that often, and when it does it is usually to work, the grocery store, and/or to her friend's house. We use my car for long trips. If we were in the position to afford it, buying an EV with a home charger for her would work for us, as long as we still had my car for longer trips. |
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I was thinking about this... even if they have the 500k charging stations that potato is bragging about it'll still be a lousey experience won't it? how long do these things charge? How many spots at each station? Gas station typically has 8-10 pumps and mostly no waiting for an opening since the fill up is 5-10 minutes max. I doubt we'd ever get to 500k anyway after all the grift, all the local gov and environmental resistance and the shear logistics challenge.. likely won't even be close to that number while at the same time being insanely over budget.. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. No one hates them, they just don't want it shoved their throats by the assholes in charge. Bunch of pindick dipshits forcing their beliefs on everyone else. |
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I see charging stations of 2 or 4 and rarely 6 spots at a highway service stop. they each take 3-40 minutes to charge in a parking lot that has 50-100 cars in it with a gas station that has 10-12 pumps. It takes 5 minutes to pump 20 gallons of gas. That is roughly 12 cars per hour per pump x 10 pumps so a capacity to refill 120 cars per hour. Now figure out how charging stations they need to charge 120 EVs per hour: say 30 minutes per charge , all fast chargers, Each charger can do 2 cars per hour. So you need 60 chargers. A model S has a 90kwhr battery, so charging 2 model S cars takes 180 KWhrs in an hour. 180 KW x 60 chargers is 10,800 Kilowatts or 10,800,000 watt per hour. That is 10.8 megawatts. LOL. To match the 'refuel' capacity in charging stations on the highway to that of current highway gas stations, you will need a high voltage transmission to run close to the station and then a substation to step down the voltage to and then The only solution is to not have individual travel. |
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Quoted: The goal posts always move though, GD said for awhile "Until they can go 300 miles on a charge, I won't get one"....they can go 300 miles now and the argument is now "Untill I can recharge one in 5 minutes I won't get one" Assume 300 miles per FULL charge. On a cross country you recharge by 20% and only charge up to 80%. Useable charge is 60% or 300 x 0.6 = 180 mile range. |
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Is there any advancement in hydrogen based technology for years and automobiles that I'm not aware of? I believe the California mandate states that a vehicle could be powered using hydrogen. I'm not sure what capacity that means. I was curious if anybody knows anything worthwhile in that regard? |
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Quoted: My newest truck is a 19. It doesn't require a phone to do anything, including filling the tank. Quoted: Quoted: Have you bought a new vehicle of any type lately? Most of them have a phone app, although not mandatory, it won't be long. My newest truck is a 19. It doesn't require a phone to do anything, including filling the tank. You don’t need a phone app for a Tesla. Not even all of them are compatible with their own app. It’s a convenient feature, but not at all needed. Lots of manufacturers have apps. Attached File You can do things like unlock the car, preheat the cabin, look at useage, order parts. It’s not required and nothing unique to EVs. |
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Quoted: Now, does that consider everyone charging their cars all at the same time during (otherwise) peak load on the grid? Probably so. Most people won't do that, they'll charge overnight, when demand on the grid is low and there is excess capacity. Time of use matters. If we all, every single one of us, went and bought a full tank of gas at 1PM on Monday - every single American with a gas car, and a full tank - we'd suck many gas stations dry! But that doesn't happen, so that doesn't happen. Load is not everything all at once everywhere... it will be spread out. That's not to say that more capacity isn't a good thing. Hell yeah it is. Moar nukez! Quoted: Quoted: Except this "overhaul" will require new energy plants at the least. There currently aren't enough energy plants active to support the future loads of even a fraction of the population driving an EV. Just look at the rolling blackouts in CA during hot weather. Now how long will it take to bring new energy plants online? Will these plants be coal or nat. gas powered or nukes? What will the environmental idiots say about new fossil fuel plants? Now, does that consider everyone charging their cars all at the same time during (otherwise) peak load on the grid? Probably so. Most people won't do that, they'll charge overnight, when demand on the grid is low and there is excess capacity. Time of use matters. If we all, every single one of us, went and bought a full tank of gas at 1PM on Monday - every single American with a gas car, and a full tank - we'd suck many gas stations dry! But that doesn't happen, so that doesn't happen. Load is not everything all at once everywhere... it will be spread out. That's not to say that more capacity isn't a good thing. Hell yeah it is. Moar nukez! Another significant problem is - what about when you had a long drive, got home, ans don't have 8 hours to charge before you need to go out again? Emergencies come up? Or the most frequent thing, you don't bother to plug the big ass cord into your car that night, and wake up and your car doesn't have the juice to get you to work. There's no running to the gas station to fill up in 5 minutes, now you've gotta wait an hour(s) until you've got enough charge. The reality is, people will need to charge out and about, and 30-40 minutes is a ridiculously long time to wait to be mobile again. The gas-station lines of the 70's are what we will see. The amount of people needing a charge given a 40-minute period of time, particularly during rush hours, would far exceed chargers even if a ton were built. You'd need Walmart parking lot sized charging stations. Nevermind the little hastle of plugging in the damn cars every day (most families will need two chargers), and having these thick cords strewn around the garage. Charging is the most likely time a LiPo battery will decide to go kaboom too, so, a hundred million of these will see a bit of an uptick of people being burned alive in their homes. It's all worse, intentionally so. If the free market were deciding this, it would be fine. but this is all about fucking us over, turning us third world, and removing car ownwrship entirely. |
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Quoted: How does it give complete control? Can you refine petroleum at your home, or do you rely on a network of lines and stations to get your supply? How about electricity? I bet you can much more easily (and cheaply) get set up to make your own right at home. There is another scam....solar. |
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Quoted: And you think that same system won't also be in place at fueling stations selling gas and diesel? Apply it across the board, because your overloads will. Okay, apply this to guns. Why do they want to ban guns? Apply this to money. Why do they want to go digital/ cashless? You and I agree. Where we digress is transportation. You can still easily store or make gas or diesel or substitutes. Electricity, especially with the layer of automation is entirely different. Even if you wanted to change your EV with your bootleg PV or genset, the brain wouldn't accept it, and would report you for trying. Same thing applies in your home, all your smart appliances and meters. At some point, they have you. It is over. And we are careening down that path. Some go willing, others (like me) thinks it sucks. Nothing we can do but discuss our demise anyways. |
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Quoted: They will control charging. They will control everything. This is what they're after. It's why the control-obsessed degenerates are fighting to force everything to rely on electric. Everything on the grid. Single point of control. If everything is on the grid and they have absolute control over the grid? They own you. They own me. They own us all. Offend them and they will cut you off with a mouse click. How so many people can't see that coming from a mile away truly speaks to how utterly out of touch people have become. We continue to be beggars to our own demise. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. 100 years ago it was private companies building the infrastructure. The oil companies built and maintained the gas stations. Government is building EV charging stations which isn’t how it works. The government nor the EV manufacturers have seemed to figure out or even care to for that matter that a common receptacle for charging is needed, there is no commonality on EVs everyone has their own idea and agenda. If this was a private venture without government intervention it would get sorted out in no time, the government is actually creating more problems and no one cares as long as they get their handout, this will eventually sort itself out but not before billions and billions are spent creating the problem, then billions and billions more attempting to fix it. Funny thing this issue has been around since rechargeable tools have been in use, still to this day everyone uses a different voltage, different charger, different mounts forcing buyers to use their brand exclusively or you end up having a bunch of different rechargeable tools, batteries and chargers. A blond man could have seen this coming. Finely cell phones are working towards a common plug. Apple is supposed to drop the FireWire for the micro USB but so far it hasn’t happened. |
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Quoted: People are unaware that the Tesla chargers are specific to Teslas ONLY? All other EVs have a universal charging port. But not Tesla's, theirs is unique. Correct it’s unique, but some are being opened up to others but of course using an adapter to fit the Tesla plug. It’s a shit idea if you are a Tesla owner. The big 3 have the resources to install their own networks. Quoted: Negative. Many cannot charge them at their apartment/condo/row house. Many cannot afford one. Maximum 20% EV market share in the USA in a free market. I think even with the “mandates” it will be a while before we see a large percentage of adoption. Either way somewhere around 20% is probably about right and will take a very long time. Quoted: Except the apartment dwellers. If you can’t charge at home don’t buy one. Be one of the 70-80% of people still driving ICE powered. |
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