[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Electric vehicle drivers get candid about charging: 'Logistical nightmare' (Page 2 of 12)
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. "If you like your ICE, you can keep your ICE." Right? The .Gov is pushing to end ICE sales within the next few years. A few states already have moratoriums in place. What are the non-"niche" people in California going to do in a few years when they can't buy an ICE vehicle? I already know your response. "They just have to change their lifestyle. Its not that bad. They'll hardly notice a change." |
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. The people in the article apparently did. |
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Quoted: How does it give complete control? Can you refine petroleum at your home, or do you rely on a network of lines and stations to get your supply? How about electricity? I bet you can much more easily (and cheaply) get set up to make your own right at home. Go burn a tire or shoot a machine gun safely in your sub division in broad day light and get back to me. The authorities will come for you. Some are happy with this slavery, I am not. This situation is not a win, it in just more incrementalism that is making politicians and their cronies rich. Try collecting rainwater. You think they will allow home generators? You don't think they won't have complete control of your PV system? I am amazed how people are so quick to give up even more of their freedoms. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. 100 years ago you had these things you took with you called gas cans. I guess you could bring a generator with you...and run it on the gasoline you're carrying in the gas cans... |
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Quoted: Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. 100 years ago the .gov wasn't banning horses and making people buy horseless carriages. This isn't the same thing. When quartz watch movements almost completely replaced mechanical movements in 20 years or so, that was a paradigm shift. It was a natural process which occurred because of consumer demand for a product that fulfilled it's function better and more cheaply than its predecessor. There is nothing natural about the rising popularity of EVs. EVs are the answer to a question no one asked, being forced on the public by the government, in the name of social engineering. The fact that people are so gung-ho about them is kinda frightening, actually - like a slave being memorized by advances in shackle technology. We "need" EVs the same way that trans women are women and obesity is healthy. At this point, I doubt people will ever push back. It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled. |
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Quoted: "If you like your ICE, you can keep your ICE." Right? The .Gov is pushing to end ICE sales within the next few years. A few states already have moratoriums in place. What are the non-"niche" people in California going to do in a few years when they can't buy an ICE vehicle? I already know your response. "They just have to change their lifestyle. Its not that bad. They'll hardly notice a change." Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. The niche for EV's is people that commute back and forth daily and can charge at home....which is a huge segment of the population. "If you like your ICE, you can keep your ICE." Right? The .Gov is pushing to end ICE sales within the next few years. A few states already have moratoriums in place. What are the non-"niche" people in California going to do in a few years when they can't buy an ICE vehicle? I already know your response. "They just have to change their lifestyle. Its not that bad. They'll hardly notice a change." The government always makes BS claims they can't back. ICE isn't going anywhere for a long time, simply because it can't go anywhere for a long time. Doesn't mean improving existing infrastructure is a bad thing. |
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Quoted: Go burn a tire or shoot a machine gun safely in your sub division in broad day light and get back to me. The authorities will come for you. Some are happy with this slavery, I am not. This situation is not a win, it in just more incrementalism that is making politicians and their cronies rich. Try collecting rainwater. You think they will allow home generators? You don't think they won't have complete control of your PV system? I am amazed how people are so quick to give up even more of their freedoms. Quoted: Quoted: How does it give complete control? Can you refine petroleum at your home, or do you rely on a network of lines and stations to get your supply? How about electricity? I bet you can much more easily (and cheaply) get set up to make your own right at home. Go burn a tire or shoot a machine gun safely in your sub division in broad day light and get back to me. The authorities will come for you. Some are happy with this slavery, I am not. This situation is not a win, it in just more incrementalism that is making politicians and their cronies rich. Try collecting rainwater. You think they will allow home generators? You don't think they won't have complete control of your PV system? I am amazed how people are so quick to give up even more of their freedoms. You didn't answer my question. |
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Quoted: Now fools will learn why smart meters were installed. Enjoy your demand ratchet on your bill. Amazing how ignorant people are. But my environment! No, just another way for players and politicians to break something and offer a solution that they profit from. I make my own electricity in my backyard right here in Puerto Rico. I cannot make my own gasoline. You are at the mercy of the petroleum industry. |
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Quoted: 100 years ago the .gov wasn't banning horses and making people buy horseless carriages. This isn't the same thing. by government decree? It's totally the same thing bruh! Why do you hate progress? |
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Quoted: Why is that a bad thing then? The current system is out of date and already struggling, it's long overdue for an overhaul. Okay, we are smart guys, so we agree. Right now, I need to put in a 230 line. It will take a few years of studies, surveys. Then comes the multi year condemnation process because we all want a strong grid but NIMBY Then comes the lawsuits because the impact to the fudge packing playground of the left wing dicksucker salamander. Multiply this across the nation. Trust me, I am very, very high up in this stuff. What people are NOT talking about is the existing transmission grid worked with a traditional generation fleet. This fleet has been destroyed by guess what? More government mandates and subsidies for green energy sources. So now we have to move green energy, built with your tax dollars and receiving production tax credits from your tax and highervbills from bum fuck Egypt over transmission lines we can't build to these EVs. Ask yourself who is destroying the system and who is getting rich to understand the big picture. |
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Quoted: Why is that a bad thing then? The current system is out of date and already struggling, it's long overdue for an overhaul. There currently aren't enough energy plants active to support the future loads of even a fraction of the population driving an EV. Just look at the rolling blackouts in CA during hot weather. Now how long will it take to bring new energy plants online? Will these plants be coal or nat. gas powered or nukes? What will the environmental idiots say about new fossil fuel plants? |
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Quoted: YouTube personality Steve Hammes leased a Hyundai Kona Electric sport utility vehicle for his 17-year-old daughter Maddie for three reasons: it was affordable, practical and allowed Maddie to put her cash toward college, not fuel. Now, the upstate New York resident has a dilemma many EV owners can relate to: finding available charging stations far away from home. "We're going through the planning process of how easily Maddie can get from Albany to Gettysburg [College] and where she can charge the car," Hammes told ABC News. "It makes me a little nervous. We want fast chargers that take 30 to 40 minutes -- it would not make sense to sit at a Level 2 charger for hours. There isn't a good software tool that helps EV owners plan their trips." Last week the Biden administration said Tesla would open its Supercharger network to non-Tesla owners by the end of 2024. The plan includes 3,500 Tesla fast chargers and 4,000 of its slower, Level 2 chargers -- a small number in Tesla's sprawling network. Setting up an account on Tesla's app is also required for access. moar EV THREAD Aside from the EV aspect, fuck the government telling a company what to do with its technology/time/resources. |
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I think that's about as much issue as finding a place to shower. Most of us will do it at home most of the time. If we travel, we'll do it in a hotel we found a long time before we traveled. It takes a little planning. That's it. Not a huge issue if you have a few brain cells to rub together. The great great great huge vast YUGE majority of charging will be done at home. Shit, I bet a ton of people could probably do all of their driving without ever needing to charge anywhere else! Mountain out of a molehill for most people. |
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Quoted: Except this "overhaul" will require new energy plants at the least. There currently aren't enough energy plants active to support the future loads of even a fraction of the population driving an EV. Just look at the rolling blackouts in CA during hot weather. Now how long will it take to bring new energy plants online? Will these plants be coal or nat. gas powered or nukes? What will the environmental idiots say about new fossil fuel plants? Quoted: Quoted: Why is that a bad thing then? The current system is out of date and already struggling, it's long overdue for an overhaul. There currently aren't enough energy plants active to support the future loads of even a fraction of the population driving an EV. Just look at the rolling blackouts in CA during hot weather. Now how long will it take to bring new energy plants online? Will these plants be coal or nat. gas powered or nukes? What will the environmental idiots say about new fossil fuel plants? I said in the past that EV's are probably a great way to increase the interest in nuclear power. Unfortunately the population is still gunshy after Three Mile Island. It's been known that our grid is falling way behind...the problem is no one wants to step up and address it. Like most government, they walk around it and kick the can down the road to the next guy. |
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Quoted: ICE isn't going anywhere for a long time, simply because it can't go anywhere for a long time. Quoted: ICE isn't going anywhere for a long time, simply because it can't go anywhere for a long time. Quoted: I said in the past that EV's are probably a great way to increase the interest in nuclear power. |
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Quoted: Except this "overhaul" will require new energy plants at the least. There currently aren't enough energy plants active to support the future loads of even a fraction of the population driving an EV. Just look at the rolling blackouts in CA during hot weather. Now how long will it take to bring new energy plants online? Will these plants be coal or nat. gas powered or nukes? What will the environmental idiots say about new fossil fuel plants? Now, does that consider everyone charging their cars all at the same time during (otherwise) peak load on the grid? Probably so. Most people won't do that, they'll charge overnight, when demand on the grid is low and there is excess capacity. Time of use matters. If we all, every single one of us, went and bought a full tank of gas at 1PM on Monday - every single American with a gas car, and a full tank - we'd suck many gas stations dry! But that doesn't happen, so that doesn't happen. Load is not everything all at once everywhere... it will be spread out. That's not to say that more capacity isn't a good thing. Hell yeah it is. Moar nukez! |
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Quoted: I did, you didn't like the answer. Compare EVs to a cashless society. Consolidate control of the masses to those that make the rules. What could go wrong? Better shut off your computer. Big Brother already knows who you are, what your bank account is, where you shop, what you eat, etc etc. You're conflating 'possible' with 'probable'. |
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Quoted: I did, you didn't like the answer. Compare EVs to a cashless society. Consolidate control of the masses to those that make the rules. What could go wrong? Quoted: Quoted: You didn't answer my question. I did, you didn't like the answer. Compare EVs to a cashless society. Consolidate control of the masses to those that make the rules. What could go wrong? You didn't and you know it. What can you make at your own home easier, electricity or gasoline? No need to be obtuse, you don't like EVs and have a pocket full of good arguments against them. It doesn't mean that the good arguments for them suddenly become invalid. Try to look at both sides of it. I understand the limitations with them currently, and I don't like the government forcing their advancement faster than is natural, but it doesn't automatically make them a bad technology. They will be the future eventually, we just lack the tech for it right now. Even just in the stuff that we do I've phased out gas powered equipment for battery stuff. This last year we went from gas screeds and backpack vibrators to battery powered, they do as good of a job, and are more pleasant to use in the process....and they just announced even more stuff, a tamper and power trowel are new for this year....that's insane. Run times are low, but the fact that they exist and are being implemented is crazy....it's the very beginning of a whole shift in the way things are going to be done. It's not going anywhere, it's only going to continue to be refined. |
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Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. Apparently, a lot of people do. For some reason I went down the youtube EV rabbit hole last night. Started with people bitching about the Ferd F150 EV truck charging issues and went down to bricked Teslas from there. Ho Le Fuk, just the fact that you pretty much must have a phone and app to do just about anything with these vehicles is enough to nope me out. |
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Quoted: So you are cool with the required infrastructure upgrades to make this feasible? Cool, we will spread the cost out over several years so your bill won't go up that much, and run a new 69kv line through your backyard to handle the new incident demand peaks. There are oil and natural gas pipes in the ground with an above ground easement on my property. Does that count? |
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Quoted: Think critically about this. You are paying for a system that gives complete control over your movement to the government when there is nothing wrong with the existing technologies. Ask yourself why they are pushing EVs instead of hybrid technologies... Quoted: Quoted: How do you feel about those pesky water mains and gas lines running everywhere? Infrastructure upgrades are nothing new or unique. Think critically about this. You are paying for a system that gives complete control over your movement to the government when there is nothing wrong with the existing technologies. Ask yourself why they are pushing EVs instead of hybrid technologies... You can make your own electricity far more easily than your own gasoline. In short, the government can exert more control over ICE vehicles than EVs. |
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Quoted: Now fools will learn why smart meters were installed. Enjoy your demand ratchet on your bill. Amazing how ignorant people are. But my environment! No, just another way for players and politicians to break something and offer a solution that they profit from. No way politicians and players over oil. Have there been wars fought over oil fields? Have American troops died for oil? Oh yea, it was WMDs not the oil. Which there weren’t WMDs, but still not the oil. |
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Quoted: I said in the past that EV's are probably a great way to increase the interest in nuclear power. Unfortunately the population is still gunshy after Three Mile Island. It's been known that our grid is falling way behind...the problem is no one wants to step up and address it. Like most government, they walk around it and kick the can down the road to the next guy. First build new plants capable of handling the future demands of EVs, then improve the electric grid to handle this demand then lets talk about the feasibility of more people having EVs. |
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Quoted: Think critically about this. You are paying for a system that gives complete control over your movement to the government when there is nothing wrong with the existing technologies. Ask yourself why they are pushing EVs instead of hybrid technologies... I read some dumb things, but this is the one for today. Pray tell how a hybrid system is immune to government control? I can make electricity at home, I can NOT make gasoline. If you think they can only turn off EV cars remotely, surprise! So that is a moot argument. |
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Quoted: Now, does that consider everyone charging their cars all at the same time during (otherwise) peak load on the grid? Probably so. Most people won't do that, they'll charge overnight, when demand on the grid is low and there is excess capacity. Time of use matters. If we all, every single one of us, went and bought a full tank of gas at 1PM on Monday - every single American with a gas car, and a full tank - we'd suck many gas stations dry! But that doesn't happen, so that doesn't happen. Load is not everything all at once everywhere... it will be spread out. That's not to say that more capacity isn't a good thing. Hell yeah it is. Moar nukez! So wouldn't that be the same as everyone running their AC during the heat of the day and create a "new" peak time.  |
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Quoted: Think critically about this. You are paying for a system that gives complete control over your movement to the government when there is nothing wrong with the existing technologies. Ask yourself why they are pushing EVs instead of hybrid technologies... |
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Quoted: I read some dumb things, but this is the one for today. Pray tell how a hybrid system is immune to government control? I can make electricity at home, I can NOT make gasoline. If you think they can only turn off EV cars remotely, surprise! So that is a moot argument. |
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Quoted: Go burn a tire or shoot a machine gun safely in your sub division in broad day light and get back to me. The authorities will come for you. Some are happy with this slavery, I am not. This situation is not a win, it in just more incrementalism that is making politicians and their cronies rich. Try collecting rainwater. You think they will allow home generators? You don't think they won't have complete control of your PV system? I am amazed how people are so quick to give up even more of their freedoms. No, I take it back. This is dumbest thing Ive read today. So far. |
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Quoted: I don't remember the US govt and State govt making mandates for gas cars 100 years ago either. Quoted: Quoted: 100 years ago there wasn't a gas station on every corner either. This shit takes time and will be a little messy for a while, its still no reason to hate EVs. I don't remember the US govt and State govt making mandates for gas cars 100 years ago either. The Federal Highway Act of 1921 Revenue Tax Act of 1932 Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 Intangible Drilling Costs Deduction (26 U.S. Code § 263. Active) Percentage Depletion (26 U.S. Code § 613. Active) Domestic Manufacturing Deduction (IRC §199. Indirect. Inactive) Every one of those is a subsidy that benefits fuel and vehicle manufacturers. The infrastructure required for motor vehicles, and the fuel for them has been heavily funded by the US government. Why is creating new infrastructure any different? Granted they weren't mandates like you said, but the mandates for going EV only are futile, and the attempt of just a few politicians to appeal to a voter base, they won't hold up. |
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Quoted: You can make your own electricity far more easily than your own gasoline. In short, the government can exert more control over ICE vehicles than EVs. Instead of gasoline you can make diesel fuel at home from used cooking oil amongst other things. This can easily be stored. 
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Quoted: Apparently, a lot of people do. For some reason I went down the youtube EV rabbit hole last night. Started with people bitching about the Ferd F150 EV truck charging issues and went down to bricked Teslas from there. Ho Le Fuk, just the fact that you pretty much must have a phone and app to do just about anything with these vehicles is enough to nope me out. Quoted: Quoted: This is a non issue. You don't buy an EV expecting to be able to regularly make long trips with quick refueling times. Apparently, a lot of people do. For some reason I went down the youtube EV rabbit hole last night. Started with people bitching about the Ferd F150 EV truck charging issues and went down to bricked Teslas from there. Ho Le Fuk, just the fact that you pretty much must have a phone and app to do just about anything with these vehicles is enough to nope me out. Have you bought a new vehicle of any type lately? Most of them have a phone app, although not mandatory, it won't be long. |
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Quoted: Most people would charge overnight, exactly. So wouldn't that be the same as everyone running their AC during the heat of the day and create a "new" peak time. Quoted: Quoted: Now, does that consider everyone charging their cars all at the same time during (otherwise) peak load on the grid? Probably so. Most people won't do that, they'll charge overnight, when demand on the grid is low and there is excess capacity. Time of use matters. If we all, every single one of us, went and bought a full tank of gas at 1PM on Monday - every single American with a gas car, and a full tank - we'd suck many gas stations dry! But that doesn't happen, so that doesn't happen. Load is not everything all at once everywhere... it will be spread out. That's not to say that more capacity isn't a good thing. Hell yeah it is. Moar nukez! So wouldn't that be the same as everyone running their AC during the heat of the day and create a "new" peak time. Which is why new grid infrastructure needs to be built out to better handle load peaks. This is already a problem that needs to be addressed in the summer in a lot of areas, so it might as well be addressed sooner rather than later. |
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Quoted: I did, you didn't like the answer. Compare EVs to a cashless society. Consolidate control of the masses to those that make the rules. What could go wrong? You are literally all over the place. EV, cashless, no more power, cant go anywhere. Shut down the coal plants. Leftist forcing this on us the other Leftists blocking infrastructure improvements to force us to stay put because of a leftist salamander. Gah. But you expect us to trust you because you are very very high up on this. No thanks. |
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Quoted: Why is creating new infrastructure any different? Granted they weren't mandates like you said, but the mandates for going EV only are futile, and the attempt of just a few politicians to appeal to a voter base, they won't hold up. Society's "new direction" has already been decided. The dude on the bridge started spinning the big wooden wheel long ago. |
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Quoted: Yet you have to have some means to store the electricity that you make, in other words you need batteries, lots of batteries. Instead of gasoline you can make diesel fuel at home from used cooking oil amongst other things. This can easily be stored. Quoted: Quoted: You can make your own electricity far more easily than your own gasoline. In short, the government can exert more control over ICE vehicles than EVs. Instead of gasoline you can make diesel fuel at home from used cooking oil amongst other things. This can easily be stored. What do you think is sitting inside that car your charging? You could, in theory, use the vehicle as your battery bank, or part of a series of banks. That still doesn't change the fact that most people can get set up to make their own electricity, very few people can make their own gasoline or diesel. |
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Quoted: Yet you have to have some means to store the electricity that you make, in other words you need batteries, lots of batteries. Instead of gasoline you can make diesel fuel at home from used cooking oil amongst other things. This can easily be stored. How much cooking oil do you expect to have? Seriously? How much are you going to gasify? You going to replace your diesel / gas consumption with cooking oil diesel? I dont need batteries to charge another battery. Charge up during daylight. How is that so hard to understand? |
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Quoted: You are literally all over the place. EV, cashless, no more power, cant go anywhere. Shut down the coal plants. Leftist forcing this on us the other Leftists blocking infrastructure improvements to force us to stay put because of a leftist salamander. Gah. But you expect us to trust you because you are very very high up on this. No thanks. If you want an EV, get one. And stay in your own lane about it. If you're not interested in forcing your own obsession with EVs onto everyone else, then that should be no problem for you. It should only become a problem if you want to force EVs on people who don't want them for whatever reasons. If that's the case, it's not about EVs. It's about control. And that's the real problem that's being raised. People who are obsessed with controlling everyone else seem to have a difficult time admitting it. |