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Posted: 1/23/2022 10:16:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you guys think of Jeff Cavaliere of Athlean-X? He has some great videos and is incredibly ripped and many question whether he's on gear or not? I think his diet is on point and consistent for years and probably has killer genetics. He got called out for using fake weights. I think that he has a lot of good info, but you need to sift through it. He's very much about his online presence so he turned into a video factory, and there is a lot of weird stuff in there you kind of have to discard. That's a problem for beginners. Anyone who is just starting out needs to get on a basic schedule, with basic progression, and hammer a handful of exercises consistently. It's boring as hell, but it works, you don't need Jeff's 5 different ways to target upper chest workout or anything. Alan Thrall and Brian Alsruhe did a Q and A video together several years ago and agreed that a big mistake beginners make is just not getting time under the bar. I do it, we all do it, don't overthink your training, just get under the bar, that's when the most progress is made. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:13:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He got called out for using fake weights. I think that he has a lot of good info, but you need to sift through it. He's very much about his online presence so he turned into a video factory, and there is a lot of weird stuff in there you kind of have to discard. That's a problem for beginners. Anyone who is just starting out needs to get on a basic schedule, with basic progression, and hammer a handful of exercises consistently. It's boring as hell, but it works, you don't need Jeff's 5 different ways to target upper chest workout or anything. Alan Thrall and Brian Alsruhe did a Q and A video together several years ago and agreed that a big mistake beginners make is just not getting time under the bar. I do it, we all do it, don't overthink your training, just get under the bar, that's when the most progress is made. Everything works when you’re a beginner. I agree with what you’re saying...don’t worry about fancy programs or scientific details when you’re a beginner just work hard on compound movements. When the beginner gains expire then worry about science and all the little details. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:02:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there's one thing iv'e learned over my course of time going to the gym, if you're stronger then me, you're juicing. 
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Posted: 1/24/2022 9:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything works when you’re a beginner. I agree with what you’re saying...don’t worry about fancy programs or scientific details when you’re a beginner just work hard on compound movements. When the beginner gains expire then worry about science and all the little details. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He got called out for using fake weights. I think that he has a lot of good info, but you need to sift through it. He's very much about his online presence so he turned into a video factory, and there is a lot of weird stuff in there you kind of have to discard. That's a problem for beginners. Anyone who is just starting out needs to get on a basic schedule, with basic progression, and hammer a handful of exercises consistently. It's boring as hell, but it works, you don't need Jeff's 5 different ways to target upper chest workout or anything. Alan Thrall and Brian Alsruhe did a Q and A video together several years ago and agreed that a big mistake beginners make is just not getting time under the bar. I do it, we all do it, don't overthink your training, just get under the bar, that's when the most progress is made. Everything works when you’re a beginner. I agree with what you’re saying...don’t worry about fancy programs or scientific details when you’re a beginner just work hard on compound movements. When the beginner gains expire then worry about science and all the little details. Even intermediates get caught up in it. You can still hammer the basic exercises, add in some assistance for any sticking points, and switch to a more advanced progression and then continue to make progress. I think that's why 531 works so well, Wendler encourages hitting your big lifts sub maximally, adding volume in various templates, and getting your assistance work done, but not overthinking it. I think in one of his books he says something to the effect of "Don't try to program the assistance, just pick something and row it, it's doesn't matter" |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:17:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Diet is more of a factor than genetics until you hit top level competitions. This is how I see it. Genetics is the difference maker when you are competing at competition. You can be in astounding shape just by mindset, diet and time. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:38:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is how I see it. Genetics is the difference maker when you are competing at competition. You can be in astounding shape just by mindset, diet and time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Diet is more of a factor than genetics until you hit top level competitions. This is how I see it. Genetics is the difference maker when you are competing at competition. You can be in astounding shape just by mindset, diet and time. lol. That’s really funny. Genetics is everything. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 1:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been using tongkat Ali and ashwagandha together for a week now. I’m not sure if it’s mental or not, but I actually feel like it did something. Tried that. Didn’t see any benefit. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 1:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tried that. Didn’t see any benefit. Ya it’s hard to say for me because my motivation has been through the roof could be mental for me. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find this hard to believe. I was doing 1250 at 165-170lbs. Age 19/20 and a height of 5'8" I wasn't even that strong compared to most of my lifting friends. Before I blew out a few cervical disks, My bench hit 305, my squat, hit 325, and my deadlift was 405. That was me at about 145lbs and standing a whopping 5' 3" at 41yrs old. I was quite strong for a manlet  Took a lot of work but not impossible...No gear but a LOT of caffine and willpower lol |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya it’s hard to say for me because my motivation has been through the roof could be mental for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tried that. Didn’t see any benefit. Ya it’s hard to say for me because my motivation has been through the roof could be mental for me. Remember, motivation runs out. Discipline stays. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No doubt Ronnie had good genetics. He actually stood on the Olympia stage as a natural. He just didn’t start winning until he got on drugs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I watched a documentary on Ronnie Coleman a while back. I think it was Flex Wheeler being interviewed and he said when he asked Ronnie how much he had cheated on his diet Ronnie just gave him a puzzeld look. Meaning cheating hadn’t even crossed his mind. Consuming 10,000 + calories a day every day of lean protein, vegetables and healthy type carbs is no small task. And yes, genetics counts for maybe half when you’re talking pro level. No doubt Ronnie had good genetics. He actually stood on the Olympia stage as a natural. He just didn’t start winning until he got on drugs. No professional bodybuilder in the last 40 years has been on the O stage as a natural. Zero. |
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Posted: 1/24/2022 10:51:07 PM EDT
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Genetics helps a lot. I wouldn't be half as big as I am without my dad's build.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:59:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember, motivation runs out. Discipline stays. I got that too...LOL...I'm 47 years old. I've been doing a clean bulk for the last 3 months probably start cutting in another couple months. I posted my pictures earlier in this thread from when I was 46 before I started my current bulk. I will have 24 years in at my current job in March and I have 23 years of perfect attendance. Throughout my life I've had periods of higher motivation and lower motivation, but I've proven to myself I can be disciplined in workout consistency and diet for long periods of time. I'm likely to post pictures after my next cut some where and it will be impressive for a 47 year old. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:00:52 AM EDT
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As I age I come to think juicing big underlying benefit is really just keeping you healthy and overcoming injury quicker. Once heard a bodybuilder say keeping your joints healthy is 90% of the battle so you arent out of the gym with injury. Ive had a shoulder issue and now a elbow issue keep me from weights for probably 6-7 months out of the past two years.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:27:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Genetics helps a lot. I wouldn't be half as big as I am without my dad's build. A friend of mine is about 2" taller, but his wrists and ankles are twice as thick as mine, he's built like a caveman. He was complaining one day that he couldn't get a 6 pack because he was too barrel chested, it just never worked out. That fucker squatted 400 lbs when he was 20 without even working that hard to get there and he was bitching because he could only diet down to a 4 pack. He was just had a build that favored strength, but didn't do him any favors for being lean or endurance work (he struggled on long runs in soccer). Everyone kind of has their own thing that they are best built for and will do better at, but it's still not a reason to use it as an excuse. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:30:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I age I come to think juicing big underlying benefit is really just keeping you healthy and overcoming injury quicker. Once heard a bodybuilder say keeping your joints healthy is 90% of the battle so you arent out of the gym with injury. Ive had a shoulder issue and now a elbow issue keep me from weights for probably 6-7 months out of the past two years.  Nothing about gear keeps you healthy or helps you heal. I'm sure someone will chime in saying nandrolone helps lube the joints. Great, it also directly causes LVH. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:01:33 AM EDT
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I have a friend that is similar build as me. He also has equal work ethic in the gym as me. I’ve been slightly ahead of him all my life because my diet is better. He likes to drink and party and I don’t. Six months ago he decided to start juicing. He immediately passed me on the big 3 compound lifts. He has also passed me putting on size in that time. He was only going to do it for a short time, but now he’s addicted to it.
I’m impressed with his results and support him. I’m not going to judge, but addiction is real. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:11:04 AM EDT
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Pros eat lots of Creatine, take selfies in the mirror, carry a gallon jug of water and grunt alot at the gym.
Oh...wear Joe Weider baggy pants and a muscle shirt so everyone knows you lift. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:15:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pros eat lots of Creatine, take selfies in the mirror, carry a gallon jug of water and grunt alot at the gym. Oh...wear Joe Weider baggy pants and a muscle shirt so everyone knows you lift. Screw that I wear shorts and a medium t-shirt that barely fits so I’m busting out of it lol. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:59:22 AM EDT
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As for comparing gym lifts to competition lifts...
You have weight classes and have to make weight. You also have to hit depth and wait for commands. Like pausing in bench until the press command. These things make a huge difference. Here is John Haack not making weight by two pounds so he had to compete in 220 instead of the 198 lbs class. One of his squats didn’t count because he missed depth by a hair and one of his deadlift didn’t count. John Haack |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 10:01:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for comparing gym lifts to competition lifts... You have weight classes and have to make weight. You also have to hit depth and wait for commands. Like pausing in bench until the press command. These things make a huge difference. Here is John Haack not making weight by two pounds so he had to compete in 220 instead of the 198 lbs class. One of his squats didn’t count because he missed depth by a hair and one of his deadlift didn’t count. John Haack If it doesn't count in a comp than it doesn't count. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 10:27:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it doesn't count in a comp than it doesn't count. Facts. Eta: some people don’t realize how strict powerlifting competition is and that there are enforced weight classes. Bouncing a bench off your chest makes a huge difference vs pausing and knee bends aren’t the same as full depth squats lol. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 10:47:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing about gear keeps you healthy or helps you heal. I'm sure someone will chime in saying nandrolone helps lube the joints. Great, it also directly causes LVH. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As I age I come to think juicing big underlying benefit is really just keeping you healthy and overcoming injury quicker. Once heard a bodybuilder say keeping your joints healthy is 90% of the battle so you arent out of the gym with injury. Ive had a shoulder issue and now a elbow issue keep me from weights for probably 6-7 months out of the past two years. Nothing about gear keeps you healthy or helps you heal. I'm sure someone will chime in saying nandrolone helps lube the joints. Great, it also directly causes LVH. Steroids absolutely help you heal from injury. That's a different qualitative statement than saying steroids keep you healthy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 11:04:06 AM EDT
[#24]
 That's Sean Connery. Sean Connery was one of the last natural Mr. Olympias. That's what really hard work, good genetics, and no gear get you. If someone is more built than that, there's a good chance they are either running gear, or have run gear in the past. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 11:25:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steroids absolutely help you heal from injury. That's a different qualitative statement than saying steroids keep you healthy. BPC-157 and BP-500 are great for injuries. While not an anabolic, it still falls under PEDs which all idiots yell roids at. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.redd.it/h5iojx5d13xz.jpg That's Sean Connery. Sean Connery was one of the last natural Mr. Olympias. That's what really hard work, good genetics, and no gear get you. If someone is more built than that, there's a good chance they are either running gear, or have run gear in the past. You don’t think science has improved what we know about diet and exercise since the 50’s and 60’s? Obviously pro’s on the Olympia stage and top weightlifters and power lifters are using drugs, but there have been other improvements as well. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:29:14 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend of mine is about 2" taller, but his wrists and ankles are twice as thick as mine, he's built like a caveman. He was complaining one day that he couldn't get a 6 pack because he was too barrel chested, it just never worked out. That fucker squatted 400 lbs when he was 20 without even working that hard to get there and he was bitching because he could only diet down to a 4 pack. He was just had a build that favored strength, but didn't do him any favors for being lean or endurance work (he struggled on long runs in soccer). Everyone kind of has their own thing that they are best built for and will do better at, but it's still not a reason to use it as an excuse. In my 20s I had a lean swimmer build from running all the damned time (thanks Army) and not working weights. Now I'm bulked out quite a lot from weights and light cardio. Those 8 pack abs are still there but slightly padded these days 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:35:39 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.redd.it/h5iojx5d13xz.jpg That's Sean Connery. Sean Connery was one of the last natural Mr. Olympias. That's what really hard work, good genetics, and no gear get you. If someone is more built than that, there's a good chance they are either running gear, or have run gear in the past. The first Mr. Olympia competition was in 1965. Sean Connery was never in the competition. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:37:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.redd.it/h5iojx5d13xz.jpg That's Sean Connery. Sean Connery was one of the last natural Mr. Olympias. That's what really hard work, good genetics, and no gear get you. If someone is more built than that, there's a good chance they are either running gear, or have run gear in the past. There are a lot of people who aren't on steroids who have a better physique than that. Tons. The game has changed a lot. Imagine that. 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first Mr. Olympia competition was in 1965. Sean Connery was never in the competition. You are correct this is the first Mr Olympia. 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:50:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it doesn't count in a comp than it doesn't count. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As for comparing gym lifts to competition lifts... You have weight classes and have to make weight. You also have to hit depth and wait for commands. Like pausing in bench until the press command. These things make a huge difference. Here is John Haack not making weight by two pounds so he had to compete in 220 instead of the 198 lbs class. One of his squats didn’t count because he missed depth by a hair and one of his deadlift didn’t count. John Haack If it doesn't count in a comp than it doesn't count. Yup, and HS comps are laughable. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:52:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no substitute for genetics. You have to have that natural foundation. Otherwise we could all grow fantastic brains like Pinky. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:52:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2022 12:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Otherwise we could all grow fantastic brains like Pinky. In true GD fashion, why not both |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 2:11:35 PM EDT
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After several years doing powerlifting routines and never really working biceps directly I recently switched to this workout schedule.
Saturday: Squat 3 x 5 Leg extension 3 x 12 Hamstring curls 3 x 12 Calf raises 3 sets to failure Sunday: Bench press 3 x 5 Incline dumbbell fly 3 x 12 superset with incline dumbbell press Decline dumbbell press 3 x 12 Dips 2 sets to failure body weight Monday: Arm day various types of curls and triceps work lots of sets and several sets to failure. Tuesday: Deadlift 1 x 5 Barbell rows 3 x 8 Dumbbell rows 3 x 12 Dumbbell shrugs 3 x 12 Wednesday: Rest Thursday: Bench press 3 x 5 Incline fly 3 x 12 superset with incline press Delt work hitting each with 2 sets of 12 reps. Friday: Rest I’ve been seeing good results. Every 4-6 weeks when my body tells me to I do a de load week. Same routine just go super light on the working sets of the compounds. |
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