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Screw the Newt.

I gotta tell ya....It has been quite surreal, being at ground zero of this whole new experience.  The sleeping giant HAS been awoken.  We WILL take back our country, starting with northern NY.  DESPITE EITHER POLITICAL PARTY.

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Agreed.

Obviously I hope that Hoffman wins, but the conservative party has fucked us here in NY by allowing the Republican loser in the primary to run in a 3 way race, splitting the vote.  We lost a key state senate seat that way a couple years back.

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So the Republican party can continue their efforts to dismantle the Federal leviathan and reduce the ever increasing constriction on our lives.

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Yep. I instantly lose respect for anyone that supports Newt.

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It has nothing to do with the politics of the individual candidate....



it has to do with getting 218 (Rs) in the House of Representatives, so we can get a Republican House leadership...



That's the goal...



And if that means running a few moderate-to-liberal (Rs)... So be it....

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It has nothing to do with the politics of the individual candidate....



it has to do with getting 218 (Rs) in the House of Representatives, so we can get a Republican House leadership...



That's the goal...



And if that means running a few moderate-to-liberal (Rs)... So be it....



How do you think the Dems got where they are now? It's not about how the 'Blue Dogs' vote on legislation to them, it's about who they pick to lead the chambers

 

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Newt can go suck cock on horseback.

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She has now thrown her support to Hoffman: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/scozzafava_suspends_campaign_t.html

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It has nothing to do with the politics of the individual candidate....

it has to do with getting 218 (Rs) in the House of Representatives, so we can get a Republican House leadership...

That's the goal...

And if that means running a few moderate-to-liberal (Rs)... So be it....

How do you think the Dems got where they are now? It's not about how the 'Blue Dogs' vote on legislation to them, it's about who they pick to lead the chambers
 

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says the one that doesnt realize compromise is what got us here in the first place
 

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I like Newt. The guy is Cheney with less morals.

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Rudy Giuliani just robo called me endorsing Hoffman. Not sure what to make of that

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Conservatives - 1  RINO's - 0   Dims - cleaning their pants

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In the words of Han Solo, "Don't get cocky kid."

I thin Hoffman will probably pull this one out.

But that doesn't mean we should run third party challenges to ever "R"

What it does mean is that party bosses need to fucking stop it with the RINOs.   And if they put forth a true RINO that is as bad as this one was, then we need to prepare to lose the seat rather than to hold it only in illusion.

Elections are individual first downs in a football game.  You need people who are going to vote with you when the shit's on the line to actually score.  

The Republican party needs to figure that shit out.

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In many ways, though, it is still a victory for Conservatives even if he loses.

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...and this should typify what is wrong in the Republican party. The fact that someone has an R behind their name is not a virtue. If they are a liberal cuntweasel who stands for everything the party is SUPPOSED to be against, there's no point in having them because they are really a liberal...and when push comes to shove, those types of jackasses always show their true colors as scuzzifarva did here. When the chips were down she supports the democrats.

If that's the best the Republicans can come up with, there's no point in voting for Republicans.

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Hey.. lookie here.  Another post that's  FULL-O- SHIT from our resident expert on everything..





THis viewpoint.. YOUR viewpoint is what is wrong with the Republican Party.  WE WANT CONSERVATIVES!  We don't want Rhino's!  PERIOD.  You want to be a lib.. put a fucking D next to your name!

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says the one that doesnt realize compromise is what got us here in the first place

 

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Yeah, because it's worked SO well for the Republicans so far, right?

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Probably some serious "smokey room" deals going on. Sure hope Hoffman doesn't magically "switch" parties to R after he

is elected.



Back in August (I think it was August) I was at a dinner with Doug and I asked him about registering under a different party.  He told me that he was still a registered republican, and he did not recommend changing my registered voting status.  I agreed, for the sole reason of being able to vote in GOP primaries.  I don't know if it matters if he serves as a (R) or a (C), because it should not be about the party, it should be about his principles.

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Scozzafava HAS ENDORSED THE DEMOCRAT



She really was a trojan horse candidate.  



This REALLY IS an overt strategy of the Democratic party, they've actually moved to infiltrate and control local parties to get RINO turncoats nomiated.  Heads they win, tails we lose.



WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW



http://watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091101/NEWS09/911019992

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Hey.. lookie here.  Another post that's  FULL-O- SHIT from our resident expert on everything..

THis viewpoint.. YOUR viewpoint is what is wrong with the Republican Party.  WE WANT CONSERVATIVES!  We don't want Rhino's!  PERIOD.  You want to be a lib.. put a fucking D next to your name!

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His name does start with a D.
O...wait...

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What says Statist_A now?





 

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Steele and the RINOSs trying to save face. Pretty pathetic, but expected.

Now they can claim the Rs provided the victory.

Probably some serious "smokey room" deals going on. Sure hope Hoffman doesn't magically "switch" parties to R after he
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A liberal Republican was driven out of the race for a vacant House seat in upstate New York by a surge in support for the Conservative Party candidate.

As a result, a political neophyte CPA running as a third-party candidate stands a good chance of getting elected to Congress on Tuesday.

Democrats say they’re thrilled.

The talking points already in heavy rotation say that a win by Conservative Doug Hoffman over Democrat Bill Owens will only encourage tea party populists to take on the Republican establishment. More primaries. Weaker general election candidates. Fewer Democratic losses in 2010.

That’s the way Obama political operatives are spinning the withdrawal of Dede Scozzafava in New York’s 23rd District. They ought to know: It’s the same mantra that Democratic grandees used against Obama’s presidential candidacy.

Hillary Clinton’s surrogates said that Obama shouldn’t have even run because a primary challenge would divide the party and weaken Clinton for the general election showdown with inevitable Republican nominee Rudy Giuliani.

Obama correctly rejected that notion, saying that a contested primary would energize, not demoralize, the Democratic base.

Then, after Obama surged to the lead in the Democratic primaries, the Clinton team argued that Obama didn’t have the chops to take on the resurrected John McCain. An anti-war, community organizing liberal Democrat versus a war hero and moderate Republican? C’mon.

Many Republicans welcomed Obama’s nomination. What Clinton’s pollster Mark Penn called Obama’s “lack of American roots” and reputation as an arugula-munching, big-city intellectual would take states like Indiana, Ohio, Virginia and North Carolina off the table, right?

Obama adopted a rope-a-dope strategy in the primaries as Clinton battled on into the summer of 2008 (Remember “Puertorriquenos con Hillary”?), but he never stopped being the liberal choice.

Obama beat Clinton for the same reason that Hoffman may win in upstate New York. He offered an authentic, passionate vision of his party’s core principles and did it in a way that didn’t make moderates uncomfortable.

The president may be something of a disappointment to liberals since taking office, but as a candidate he excited their ardor as Howard Dean once did. And it was the hard work and money of the Left that propelled Obama into the White House.

Hoffman, a successful accountant from White Plains, N.Y., sought the GOP nomination to run for the seat left vacant when Obama tapped eight-term Republican John McHugh to be secretary of the Army. But because it was a short-notice special election, the nomination was made by the solons of the dying Republican Party of the 11 counties in the district.

It rebuffed Hoffman in favor of Scozzafava, whose liberal voting record and high name recognition (she served as a mayor and in the state assembly) must have seemed like a good match for a district Obama had won narrowly the year before.

Super-square Hoffman had no political track record, and his positions are quite conservative: low taxes, less spending, opposition to global warming regulations, restricted access to abortion, etc.

It was as if the superdelegates had picked Clinton instead of Obama on the grounds of electability.

But Scozzafava was not electable, especially once the conservative movement got on to her scent. Leaders of the ACORN-affiliated Working Families Party may have thought they were helping Scozzafava by endorsing her, but voters were not impressed.

Soon conservatives across the country were pouring money into Hoffman’s race and scorn onto Scozzafava. Newt Gingrich and others who are Republicans before they are conservatives tried to prop her up, warning that the party must be respected and that liberal Republicans were still better than Democrats.

Complaining about the pressure from conservatives, James Ellis, one of the party chairmen who picked Scozzafava, told the New York Times, “It’s a detriment to democracy.” Since when did democracy consist of 11 party hacks meeting at Sergi’s Italian Restaurant in Potsdam?

Republicans such as Ellis and Gingrich think the Obama team is right that Hoffman’s success spells trouble for next year. They think conservatives will take over the party and drive out moderates.

But the lesson of the Obama ascendancy is that an enthusiastic base coupled with a reasonable-sounding candidate can win elections.

The GOP remains unpopular, and the movement against career politicians is real. If the party wants to maximize its gains in 2010, it will need to look more like Doug Hoffman than Dede Scozzafava.

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YOU want ideological purity

Most Republican voters just want Pelosi out of the Speaker's chair...

Myself included...

You worry about ideology when your side is 'on a roll', and you can afford to lose seats to the other guys without losing POWER...

NOT when you are trying to take power back from fucking Obama....
 

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Go with the Conservative on this one.


I understand being pragmatic when you ABSOLUTELY have to.  We don't have to this time.

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Hoffmann isn't really a Third Party candidate - he's the candidate the Party would have nominated if the corrupt local hacks hadn't gamed the system.

Using this case as an example of the need for a third party is mistaken.  It's an example of why the average Conservative should participate in the local GOP.

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Dave_A says 'I don't think the guy on the (R) side - and he is a registered Republican, no matter what is next to his name on the ballot - is gonna win this, although I'd love to be suprised'...

For me, congressional elections are about GETTING POWER BACK...

Nothing more, nothing less... Obviously Newt agrees, which is why he backed the lib-R

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