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Posted: 2/3/2020 11:35:48 PM EDT

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I never did find out but I heard it was $10M

I know Roger, his bad checks and his disgusting hookers.

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any idea how much randy walked away with?..and,have you ever met roger at rguns?

I never did find out but I heard it was $10M

I know Roger, his bad checks and his disgusting hookers.

I bet someone asks for pics before the end of this page.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:36:12 PM EDT

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I heard 6 semi trailers of aluminum scrap alone

What was your best seller for contracts besides Kitty Kats?

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just your regular M4 14.5"

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:37:16 PM EDT

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When did every A3 receiver stop getting Teflon exterior finishes, and what models kept the Teflon coat?

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When production moved to Huntsville. They (Rem) said it was a waste of money.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:37:18 PM EDT

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Still have the master dies to make Southpaw 1911?

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:38:12 PM EDT

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Yes I was a gun guy, thats why I got hired. I had sales experience and knew guns and how to sell them.

Didn't like the laws and doing trade shows.

We had a reputation after-hours at SHOT and a couple companies owners did not allow employees to hang out with us.

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Follow up question. Did working there make you loose interest in firearms? I worked for a major handgun manufacturer for several years and it drained all the fun out of shooting.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:38:22 PM EDT

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I always liked the company logo

Even though this isn't related to DPMS, what do you think would happen to the ACR?

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Gone, to costly to manufacture and no demand. 1000 ACR's isn't gonna save the company...

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:38:26 PM EDT

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I bet I sold you some riles

Also the Black Cat Express was a disaster but nothing is more fun that shooting out of it

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Thanks for doing this. I worked for an FFL years ago and was direct before the Remington chaos. DPMS was good quality at a reasonable price and the CS was awesome for us in FL. Sad to see the black cat express retired.

I bet I sold you some riles

Also the Black Cat Express was a disaster but nothing is more fun that shooting out of it

I'm thinking that's the case, we did a TON of business from 2007-2012 on the FL gun show scene - it was absurd at times, but DPMS kept us fed when most dealers were starving. Jeff made it to Shot the last year it was in Orlando. It was an eye sore but that was sort of the point

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:38:39 PM EDT

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Hate to see DPMS go.. it's going to leave a huge hole in the small parts segment..

Used to buy a ton of stuff from y'all when I was the Procurement Manager at Wilson..

Was the last place I knew to get 30RAR parts for us guys still tinkering with it..

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:39:07 PM EDT

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Why didn’t you answer questions in the industry forum?

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Because I don't work for DPMS anymore.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:40:47 PM EDT

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Do you see any path forward to bring back the company name?

Or do you think Remington will simply leave the industry and go back to making more fudd-ish stuff? (Not that that's a bad thing)

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Too much liability with Bushmaster and I don't think DPMS will come back. PSA has conditioned everyone that a $400 AR is good and are fine with making $40 per gun. No money in it anymore.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:40:52 PM EDT

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What's the history behind the black anodized shaved "lightweight" lr308 stripped upper receivers? I don't recall ever seeing them on a production rifle. I have 4 of them. Some high, some low.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:41:35 PM EDT

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The Product manager was not willing to take risks that we presented.

I purposed to make all barrels threaded with adjustable gas blocks amongst other recommendations. When Remington took over it all changed.

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Shame. The G2 had the potential to be the best .308 rifle ever.

Had Remington not taken over I have a feeling the G2 would be the new AR-15.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:42:54 PM EDT

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What's your favorite AR manufacturer that is still in business?

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:42:56 PM EDT

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My first AR was an off-the-rack DPMS 20" A2. I bought the DCM sights and a match trigger from the DPMS catalog and used it for NRA Service Rifle matches.

After 12 years and 8000+ rounds, the groups are starting to open up quite a bit.

You wouldn't happen to have a spare DPMS DCM upper laying around, would you?

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put a Kreiger barrel on it and you are GTG.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:43:07 PM EDT

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Shame. The G2 had the potential to be the best .308 rifle ever.

Had Remington not taken over I have a feeling the G2 would be the new AR-15.

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I want one, I just don’t want one as DPMS offered them.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:43:59 PM EDT

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What's the history behind the black anodized shaved "lightweight" lr308 stripped upper receivers? I don't recall ever seeing them on a production rifle. I have 4 of them. Some high, some low.

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It was for the light weight hunter line of 308's we made for a handful of years. We made more receivers than guns so they sold the remaining uppers as parts.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:44:53 PM EDT

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What's your favorite AR manufacturer that is still in business?

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For sentimental reasons probably Noveske

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:45:01 PM EDT

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In this thread:

We see how investment companies and venture capitalists ruin everything.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:45:26 PM EDT

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Shame. The G2 had the potential to be the best .308 rifle ever.

Had Remington not taken over I have a feeling the G2 would be the new AR-15.

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Except Remington designed the G2...

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:45:29 PM EDT

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We have a bunch of them in our group, all have been flawless, the worse one of all of them was my sons recon, the bolt was a bit tight when new, but a few good cleanings and a steady diet of ammo and with in 100 rounds it was flawless...all have shot damn good and all have been flawless reliability wise other then the recon..and since then it has been flawless....

Hell this is just the boxes I have...

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Posted: 2/3/2020 11:46:36 PM EDT

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best thread of the day, thanks OP

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:46:40 PM EDT

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what was your opinion of the St. Cloud made AP4's in 556?

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:47:09 PM EDT

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Good AMA OP

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:47:45 PM EDT

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best thread of the day, thanks OP

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You are welcome sir!

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:49:18 PM EDT

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my first just got it out of the safe for this pic a post ban A-15

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:49:57 PM EDT

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what was your opinion of the St. Cloud made AP4's in 556?

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I have one that has a documented 12K through it and still shoots pretty good. It was a T/E that we sent to prospective PD's. It's on its 4th set of handgaurds and 3rd gas tube.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:54:40 PM EDT

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Do I need to buy .308 G2 spares ?

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:58:22 PM EDT

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Do I need to buy .308 G2 spares ?

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Yes - If you can find them.

Posted: 2/3/2020 11:59:56 PM EDT

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Yes - If you can find them.

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This thread is gonna make me buy a G2

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:00:28 AM EDT

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DPMS was also a great friend to the sport. They always donated prize guns to matches and the state police Olympic matches.

I won a stage AP4 that was cleaned and lined once from the box and ran 1400 rounds that day with no stoppages or tear downs. This was when everyone had started to poo poo the brand and claim Colt made every part in house etc.

I have used many of their LPK and BCGs in builds.

Their barrels were very accurate and I wondered who made them or the blanks.

My first year production LR308 24” bull still shoots great.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:02:38 AM EDT

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I bought one of the DPMS rifles that were ‘surplused’ a few years ago by a private contractor. They had been used, presumably, in Iraq or Afghanistan (maybe Kuwait?), but nobody knows for sure where.

Any idea where they were used? They looked just like the ones the Ugandan dudes at my COB in Iraq had....really wanna know the back story

Thanks

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:03:00 AM EDT

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DPMS was also a great friend to the sport. They always donated prize guns to matches and the state police Olympic matches.

I won a stage AP4 that was cleaned and lined once from the box and ran 1400 rounds that day with no stoppages or tear downs. This was when everyone had started to poo poo the brand and claim Colt made every part in house etc.

I have used many of their LPK and BCGs in builds.

Their barrels were very accurate and I wondered who made them or the blanks.

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We would get the blanks from green mountain. The difference was that we machined them tight and heat stress relived the barrels after the final machining. No one did that at the time.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:03:01 AM EDT

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R-15.

Shitty Remington product or solid quality that got a now shitty name put on it?

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:04:51 AM EDT

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Why did DPMS make so many shitty guns ?

I used their LPK’s not a fan of their uppers or lowers though .

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:05:16 AM EDT

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Except Remington designed the G2...

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Did they though? Or did they just pull an ACR and use what was being worked on after purchasing a company.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:05:22 AM EDT

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I bought one of the DPMS rifles that were ‘surplused’ a few years ago by a private contractor. They had been used, presumably, in Iraq or Afghanistan (maybe Kuwait?), but nobody knows for sure where.

Any idea where they were used? They looked just like the ones the Ugandan dudes at my COB in Iraq had....really wanna know the back story

Thanks

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We did a number of contracts for the state department and private contractors. I know the ones you are talking about, most had the trigger guards bent in.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:05:49 AM EDT

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Thanks OP. Good thread, here’s one of your original LRs in the wild. Great elk thumpers.

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Posted: 2/4/2020 12:06:01 AM EDT

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I never did find out but I heard it was $10M

I know Roger, his bad checks and his disgusting hookers.

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Seriously, fuck that guy (Roger).

I worked for another (much smaller) mfr that he swindled about $300k out of, mostly bunk .308 NiB BCGs. Almost finished clawing our way out of that hole before upper management pissing contest shut the place down.

How small did your parts manufacturing actually get? Were you making springs and detents in-house?

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:07:14 AM EDT

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Thanks for the thread OP. This DPMS talk is bringing back a lot of good memories for me.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:07:54 AM EDT

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Shitty Remington product or solid quality that got a now shitty name put on it?

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Not bad. We made them to their specs when we made them in house, they wouldn't let us do what we did to the DPMS guns. If it was made in NY (most were) then not what I would call a great gun. Union workers, rem specs...

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:08:01 AM EDT

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Posted: 2/4/2020 12:11:28 AM EDT

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Will my mk12 .308 increase in value?

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:12:12 AM EDT

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Did DPMS manufacture variance lowers for other and if so what brand names ?

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:12:41 AM EDT

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Why did DPMS make so many shitty guns ?

I used their LPK’s not a fan of their uppers or lowers though .

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Because in percentage terms they went bang almost all the time and were affordable. We had a 3-6% return/defective rate that i'm sure no one will believe.

We also sold a million stripped lowers with a "K" stamped at the end of the SN that would get returned as "factory built" that were junk. People and some DEALERS would buy the lower and build a no name gun and sell it a as factory built DPMS.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:15:03 AM EDT

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Did they though? Or did they just pull an ACR and use what was being worked on after purchasing a company.

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DPMS designed the G2 with a open checkbook from Remington and had most of the R&D done at etown. I shot the first G2.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:15:27 AM EDT

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Very first AR was a DPMS. Sold it as I wanted to be all tacticool and Gucci because I believed in the stupid tier. Wish I had kept it instead.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:15:47 AM EDT

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Shitty Remington product or solid quality that got a now shitty name put on it?

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Mine has been a pretty good gun actually. Curious to see OP’s opinion though.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:16:10 AM EDT

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How many guns/lowers did DPMS ship out during their existence?

Great thread, BTW.

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:16:54 AM EDT

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Another.

What was the stripped lower/complete gun sales ratio?

Posted: 2/4/2020 12:17:42 AM EDT

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Seriously, fuck that guy (Roger).

I worked for another (much smaller) mfr that he swindled about $300k out of, mostly bunk .308 NiB BCGs. Almost finished clawing our way out of that hole before upper management pissing contest shut the place down.

How small did your parts manufacturing actually get? Were you making springs and detents in-house?

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We NEVER made anything in house at St. Cloud (gasp). It was all local machine shops manufacturing to our specs. We only did the final assembly and light machining. Just like most AR manufactures.

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