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Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:01:52 PM EDT
Wait, what is going on here?
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:05:15 PM EDT
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Now, does this affect XM193 and surplus M855 seconds from federal and lake city, or just fired brass?


Definitely.  All scrap from LC is handled by the local DRMO through DLA policies.


Are you saying that there will be no more of this ammo hitting the market?  All it would take is a ban on imported ammo via EO and there would be virtually NO ammo for anyone to buy for their AR-15.


How about Winchester Q3131 or did they stop all together?  I know they made it in 2002 and later.


Sorry, forgot about that.  It's been more available lately.  The last time I bought some it was $250/1000.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:05:53 PM EDT
Quoted:
Expended small arms cartridge cases, caliber .50 and
under, after being properly inspected, certified, and verified, shall be crushed, shredded, or
otherwise destroyed prior to public sale through a Qualified Recycling Program


Read (b)(5)(d)

Does not require demil.

UNLESS YOU EXPORT!



so is this another case of arfcom picking and choosing parts to leave out in order to fan the flames of panic?
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:07:55 PM EDT
TAG
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:08:24 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:11:24 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
Expended small arms cartridge cases, caliber .50 and
under, after being properly inspected, certified, and verified, shall be crushed, shredded, or
otherwise destroyed prior to public sale through a Qualified Recycling Program


Read (b)(5)(d)

Does not require demil.

UNLESS YOU EXPORT!



so is this another case of arfcom picking and choosing parts to leave out in order to fan the flames of panic?



Nope. That info is old.  

The email letter came 10 minutes before I posted this.

This is very typical of DLA instructions to GovLiquidation.


Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:22:24 PM EDT
Fucking stupid.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:24:47 PM EDT
This is gonna suck.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:29:48 PM EDT
HSM, Black Hills and others that reload on a large scale are S.O.L.  

Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:29:59 PM EDT
So who can we contact to overturn this...?
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:32:20 PM EDT
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So who can we contact to overturn this...?


Good luck.

When the DLA does something, it's DONE.



Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:32:51 PM EDT
I just pulled this from GovLiquid site:

LOT (3719)LBS APPROXIMATELY EXPENDED BRASS TO INCLUDE: 1958 LBS - 5. 56MM, 1007 LBS - 7. 65MM - WITH TWO BOXES BEING FIRED BLANKS (90 LBS), 709 LBS - 9MM, 45 LBS - SHOT GUN SHELLS, 3 PLTS, MUTILATION NOT REQUIRED.


GovLiquidation
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:33:36 PM EDT
so.... we're throwing up our hands based on ONE supposed letter posted by ONE person, with no verification from ANY source?

wow... I mean, I knew arf was quick to accept defeat, but this has got to be a new record for quitting.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:36:57 PM EDT
ok, I'm officially throwing it



DLA's #1 mission is to get rid of shit at the minimal expense possible.  Adding the requirement to mutilate brass would add SUBSTANTIAL cost to the "getting rid of it" process, and thus would not be taken up without a DAMN good reason (Like act of Congress/EO type good).  That, coupled with actual documentation from other sources stating the contrary, I'm officially calling bullshit.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:41:22 PM EDT
I say it's bullshit, too.   I searched and found no supporting evidence for the original claim.





I say the OP should get the ban hammer.   Or at least a week's vacation for posting unvetted information.





CJ


Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:46:21 PM EDT
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DLA's #1 mission is to get rid of shit at the minimal expense possible.  Adding the requirement to mutilate brass would add SUBSTANTIAL cost to the "getting rid of it" process, and thus would not be taken up without a DAMN good reason (Like act of Congress/EO type good).  That, coupled with actual documentation from other sources stating the contrary, I'm officially calling bullshit.



I'm hopping on the BS train with Napoleon and CM.  Why make something less marketable? Less marketable means less profitable.  Is this the right time to reduce profit?
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:46:43 PM EDT
Call BS if you like....  I'll call in the morning and completely verify...






Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:49:23 PM EDT
Should be easy to verify...

Send an email to DRMO and ask about changes in the B demil code.


BTW: Sometime back around 94-95, there was a rumor that DRMO was going to hard anneal (read: torch) all fired brass... Turned out to be total crap. From what I can tell, this is also BS.

I'm hoisting the flag untill I've heard back from DRMO.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 5:57:08 PM EDT
I got the same email as OP
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:01:27 PM EDT
govliquidation.com could be some guy in his underwear sitting inside a fort of ammo cans filled with once-fire brass. That makes some sense as I can't see Rahm Emanuel running into the oval office saying, "forget the economy, let's screw the reloaders!"
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:06:15 PM EDT
Quoted:
I say it's bullshit, too.   I searched and found no supporting evidence for the original claim.
I say the OP should get the ban hammer.   Or at least a week's vacation for posting unvetted information.
CJ



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govliquidation.com could be some guy in his underwear sitting inside a fort of ammo cans filled with once-fire brass. That makes some sense as I can't see Rahm Emanuel running into the oval office saying, "forget the economy, let's screw the reloaders!"




How 'bout you google my name... thane grooms


Yeah, I don't know shit about this topic...  


Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:06:20 PM EDT
That is a COMMERCIAL auction site which deals in DRMO auctions, unless they have an end user statement, they are probably under the restrictions for export.

If you work with DRMO directly (and you need the bond plus registration etc), you will have to complete an end user statement.

It is coming clear.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:08:52 PM EDT
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That is a COMMERCIAL auction site which deals in DRMO auctions, unless they have an end user statement, they are probably under the restrictions for export.

If you work with DRMO directly (and you need the bond plus registration etc), you will have to complete an end user statement.

It is coming clear.


In english KJ?
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:11:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:16:47 PM EDT
Quoted:
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That is a COMMERCIAL auction site which deals in DRMO auctions, unless they have an end user statement, they are probably under the restrictions for export.

If you work with DRMO directly (and you need the bond plus registration etc), you will have to complete an end user statement.

It is coming clear.


In english KJ?


govliquidation.com Is NOT a government agency.  As such, when  you "bid" through them, you are the end user.  They cannot fill out a valid end user statement so to the DRMO which is bidding the sale view these sales as export, needing further demil of small arms brass.

2.5% of govliquidation.com net traffic is from INDIA.  This letter from govliquidation.com is nothing more than a CYA for them.

If you can swing the $10k bond and pick up 2000 pounds of brass, you can probably win bids for brass at your local DRMO on most major military installations.  

govliquidation.com covers the $10k bond and most other paperwork.  I bet DRMA called them to the carpet due to all the brass that was leaving the country last year when copper spiked.
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:17:19 PM EDT
..i have watched .gov auctions for years, and some lots are indeed mutilation required.  This shouldnt affect us at all unless exported
Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:19:52 PM EDT
It's called an End Use Certificate (EUC)

I fill them out every month.


Some of you guys blowing smoke should google my screen name with a space between the e and g


Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:21:13 PM EDT




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How 'bout you google my name... thane grooms





Yeah, I don't know shit about this topic...










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    Garand_Shooter's original point of the Demil code was the first thing I went to, and here's my take....Some Pencilneck paperpusher is in a pissing match with another, and dictating their own interpretations of the Regulation.



    (For those of you not having been in the military or certian government services, this will be a shock, but, the proper authority can use the Reg as a GUIDELINE, and dictate policy that is more stringent, as long as it does not "take away" from the intent of the original regulation....)



    The question is now, What/Who is the proper authority to dictate disposition, and does applying an overseas requirement take away from the Reg?



    Hopefully this will get sorted out. I going to miss HSM's M193 in once fired GI brass
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:23:26 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    How 'bout you google my name... thane grooms

    Yeah, I don't know shit about this topic...  


    With all due respect, I don't have an agenda and I'm not trying to discredit you. But I do want independent verification of some high-level move to screw gunowners before I start my panic buying.
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:23:46 PM EDT




    Quoted:

    ..i have watched .gov auctions for years, and some lots are indeed mutilation required. This shouldnt affect us at all unless exported




    I missed this....agreed, and IIRC, it's usually when there is 40mm, 20mm, 25mm, and other simular munition casings mixed in with the 9mm/5.56mm/7.62mm
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:26:19 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    How 'bout you google my name... thane grooms

    Yeah, I don't know shit about this topic...  


    With all due respect, I don't have an agenda and I'm not trying to discredit you. But I do want independent verification of some high-level move to screw gunowners before I start my panic buying.



    It's too bad I got this at the end of the day... tomorrow morning this will be all sorted out.

    I think the letter means exactly what it says.




    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:28:24 PM EDT
    Quoted:


    Garand_Shooter's original point of the Demil code was the first thing I went to, and here's my take....Some Pencilneck paperpusher is in a pissing match with another, and dictating their own interpretations of the Regulation.

    (For those of you not having been in the military or certian government services, this will be a shock, but, the proper authority can use the Reg as a GUIDELINE, and dictate policy that is more stringent, as long as it does not "take away" from the intent of the original regulation....)

    The question is now, What/Who is the proper authority to dictate disposition, and does applying an overseas requirement take away from the Reg?

    Hopefully this will get sorted out. I going to miss HSM's M193 in once fired GI brass


    You're right, some pencilneck goon CAN make requirements more restrictive then the governing regulation, however; they are responsible for the execution.  In this case, mutilation would add substantial cost to the process, and at the same time, significantly decrease the value of the item being sold.  IF a local guy were to mandate mutilation for ALL his brass, he would be responsible for paying for it within his budget that most likely did NOT have the kind of funding to cover such a process.
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:29:30 PM EDT
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:29:51 PM EDT
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:34:33 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    It's called an End Use Certificate (EUC)

    I fill them out every month.


    Some of you guys blowing smoke should google my screen name with a space between the e and g




    Thane, this site has pretty much heard every dirt-old fear mongering rumor in the book in the past month.

    The overwhelming majority of them turn out to be untrue.

    I don't doubt that you did receive the email... I do however doubt the validity of the email.

    It wouldn't be the first time some geek just decided to inflict a random regulation on surplus buyers... In which case, you can ignore it with impunity.
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:35:43 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Call BS if you like....  I'll call in the morning and completely verify...




    http://www.auctionadvisory.com/govliq1.jpg




    Jeez, that thing reads like a Nigerian 419 Scam Letter. Will they be obliging to send among you a $6.5 million (US) dollar check to your banque account?
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:37:30 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    How 'bout you google my name... thane grooms

    Yeah, I don't know shit about this topic...  


    With all due respect, I don't have an agenda and I'm not trying to discredit you. But I do want independent verification of some high-level move to screw gunowners before I start my panic buying.



    It's too bad I got this at the end of the day... tomorrow morning this will be all sorted out.

    I think the letter means exactly what it says.

    I googled you and apparently, you have quite a bit of experience in this area.  Hopefully, the sender of the e-mail made a mistake.   .






    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:39:37 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Source? Someone forgot to tell these guys.

    http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2263403&convertTo=USD
    LOT (3420) APPROX FIRED BRASS, (8)BARRELS (PLASTIC AND METAL), ON(4)PALLETS, (4) BARRELS OF 7. 62 APPROX 1700 LBS, (4) BARRELS OF 5. 56 APPROX 1720 LBS, WEIGHT OF PALLETS AND BARRELS ARE INCLUDED IN TOTAL WEIGHT, NO MUTILATION REQUIRED, PREVIEW AND LOAD OUT BY APPOINTMENT.


    so who's in for a group buy? if my math's correct that's over 140,000 pieces of brass if you get just the 5.56
    at the current bid that's like $1 per 1000
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:41:20 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    I say it's bullshit, too.   I searched and found no supporting evidence for the original claim.
    I say the OP should get the ban hammer.   Or at least a week's vacation for posting unvetted information.
    CJ



    Quoted:
    govliquidation.com could be some guy in his underwear sitting inside a fort of ammo cans filled with once-fire brass. That makes some sense as I can't see Rahm Emanuel running into the oval office saying, "forget the economy, let's screw the reloaders!"




    How 'bout you google my name... thane grooms


    Yeah, I don't know shit about this topic...  




    Hindu Weddings?
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:48:10 PM EDT


    Unfortunately there is a city in India named Thane and with the way their whole arranged marriage thing works there are a lot of references to "Thane Grooms"  
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 6:53:23 PM EDT
    Quoted:


    Unfortunately there is a city in India named Thane and with the way their whole arranged marriage thing works there are a lot of references to "Thane Grooms"  


    At least it didn't come back to a gay porn star, that is, unless...
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:07:48 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    Source? Someone forgot to tell these guys.

    http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=2263403&convertTo=USD
    LOT (3420) APPROX FIRED BRASS, (8)BARRELS (PLASTIC AND METAL), ON(4)PALLETS, (4) BARRELS OF 7. 62 APPROX 1700 LBS, (4) BARRELS OF 5. 56 APPROX 1720 LBS, WEIGHT OF PALLETS AND BARRELS ARE INCLUDED IN TOTAL WEIGHT, NO MUTILATION REQUIRED, PREVIEW AND LOAD OUT BY APPOINTMENT.


    so who's in for a group buy? if my math's correct that's over 140,000 pieces of brass if you get just the 5.56
    at the current bid that's like $1 per 1000


    At least somebodys thinking!

    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:07:58 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    The Obama tentacles are getting into everything


    THIS.
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:21:37 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    The Obama tentacles are getting into everything


    THIS.

    Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
    Makes max sense for the anti's.

    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:34:38 PM EDT
    Quoted:


    Unfortunately there is a city in India named Thane and with the way their whole arranged marriage thing works there are a lot of references to "Thane Grooms"  


    This is the first link that comes up on a google search:

    Thane Grooms on Auction Advisory
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:38:38 PM EDT
    I've met Thane and I can tell you for sure, He's one of those guys that is always full of drama,  Lies about everything, Lives to troll the internet, shot my dog, and stole my bible!





    I say ban him from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:40:24 PM EDT
    Well, we will know if BH Blue Box is discontinued.

    To get scrap brass, you do NOT have to go through govliquidation.com.  Just buckle down with a $10k bond and show up at DRMO with your trailer and LOTS of crates.  Most of the time, you will have to transfer containers.
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 7:43:18 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    I've met Thane and I can tell you for sure, He's one of those guys that is always full of drama,  Lies about everything, Lives to troll the internet, shot my dog, and stole my bible!

    I say ban him from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.


    Very late one night... say April 18th  ...when you are snuggled up in your camper.....  
    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 8:09:11 PM EDT
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    Quoted:
    Now, does this affect XM193 and surplus M855 seconds from federal and lake city, or just fired brass?


    Definitely.  All scrap from LC is handled by the local DRMO through DLA policies.


    Scrap yes, but the ammo coming out no, as it is part of the contract that comes with running the facility they can sell the seconds and excess production

    If it was coming through DRMO we wouldn't have the stuff we do now- no live ammo comes through DRMO.


    G_S is correct... Whomever is managing LC sells the 2nds to the public. Federal/ATK currently runs LC.

    I'm not so sure XM193 was every really seconds... Maybe second cases, but why a 55gr (which LC doesn't churn out) in NATO headstamp cases.

    Link Posted: 3/12/2009 8:30:02 PM EDT
    To the naysayers..............

    thanegrooms is not sume fucking shit-spewing troll.  He's one of the upstanding members of our WAHTF.  What he's doing here is sharing information.  No reason to doubt it.
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