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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:41:09 AM EDT

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That's how debate is supposed to look.

People calmly discussing their viewpoint, listening intently to the language and trying to understand the counterpoint of view.

Maybe you come to common ground; maybe you agree to disagree.

The trouble is the people I'm accustom to seeing in these academic debates are super-duper short on information, so they substitute screaming, chanting, and poop flinging in place of reason.

Posted: 11/20/2018 10:46:27 AM EDT

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Tucker is wrong.

Sounds like he wants regulations in place to hold back companies from advancing to the next level.

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Same. I'm with Shapiro on this one.

Posted: 11/20/2018 10:52:16 AM EDT

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What happens when AI makes lolbert pundits obsolete. What job can you retrain a Reason Mag writer for? How do you compensate for their diminished mental capacity?

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:04:55 AM EDT

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

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So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:06:17 AM EDT

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if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:10:08 AM EDT

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if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

That is not what I said at all. Mention me if you want to discuss what I actually said otherwise I gotta go to work.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:12:22 AM EDT

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I don't like either Tuck or Ben. Kennedy, Stossel, or Judge Napolitano for me.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:13:32 AM EDT

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:15:32 AM EDT

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The invisible hand as moderns understand it is a rejection of hierarchical human decision making. It is an appeal to magic.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:19:52 AM EDT

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

That is not what I said at all. Mention me if you want to discuss what I actually said otherwise I gotta go to work.

@svan you said wages would be driven down in that gaining industry. Simply saying an increased labor supply will drive wages down without even looking into what the occupational field that would potentially receive that increase in labor is not necessarily true. It is possible that the limiting factor in that industry growing is labor supply.

And obviously not all people would join that trade, the same way not all high school educated men are truck drivers.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:20:56 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:22:48 AM EDT

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Battle of the nerds

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:23:22 AM EDT

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What are they gonna do?

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:28:28 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

What are they gonna do?

Find a new job.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:29:12 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

What are they gonna do?

Take out more loans for college because there arent jobs to work their way through anymore. Can’t explain that.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:30:01 AM EDT

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@svan you said wages would be driven down in that gaining industry. Simply saying an increased labor supply will drive wages down without even looking into what the occupational field that would potentially receive that increase in labor is not necessarily true. It is possible that the limiting factor in that industry growing is labor supply.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

That is not what I said at all. Mention me if you want to discuss what I actually said otherwise I gotta go to work.

@svan you said wages would be driven down in that gaining industry. Simply saying an increased labor supply will drive wages down without even looking into what the occupational field that would potentially receive that increase in labor is not necessarily true. It is possible that the limiting factor in that industry growing is labor supply.

And obviously not all people would join that trade, the same way not all high school educated men are truck drivers.

Surplus of labor drives down wages: change my mind.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:36:48 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

What are they gonna do?

Find a new job.

More likely they'll end up on welfare.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:36:50 AM EDT

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Surplus of labor drives down wages: change my mind.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

That is not what I said at all. Mention me if you want to discuss what I actually said otherwise I gotta go to work.

@svan you said wages would be driven down in that gaining industry. Simply saying an increased labor supply will drive wages down without even looking into what the occupational field that would potentially receive that increase in labor is not necessarily true. It is possible that the limiting factor in that industry growing is labor supply.

And obviously not all people would join that trade, the same way not all high school educated men are truck drivers.

Surplus of labor drives down wages: change my mind.

Free markets are better than centrally planned economies: change my mind.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:40:49 AM EDT

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Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

You tell me.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:42:15 AM EDT

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More likely they'll end up on welfare.

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

What are they gonna do?

Find a new job.

More likely they'll end up on welfare.

Just like all the Lehman Brothers employees.

People lose jobs. They move on. I've done it. I've seen my family do it.

You're never going to see me advocating for the .gov to step in to protect any industry just because the people losing their job will likely end up on welfare.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:42:40 AM EDT

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Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:43:48 AM EDT

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

You tell me.

I don't know. You're the one who told me truck driving is a skill based trade. What are those skills?

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:44:45 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

I'm deployed right now, but when I'm not activated, yes I am.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:46:18 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:47:29 AM EDT

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Is a Luddite. No concept of how markets work. Why not have people move stuff in donkey carts? Think of all the teamster jobs and the donkey breeders, hay farmers and wainwrights. Not to mention lower emissions.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:48:36 AM EDT

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Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Maybe they can go see their nearest recruiter when a robot takes their place at Mickey D's.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:51:45 AM EDT

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Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Muh militia.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:53:12 AM EDT

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I don't know. You're the one who told me truck driving is a skill based trade. What are those skills?

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

You tell me.

I don't know. You're the one who told me truck driving is a skill based trade. What are those skills?

The sky is also blue, but I hope you'd have enough common sense to know this already.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:54:28 AM EDT

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Muh militia.

lol

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:54:40 AM EDT

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I agree with this statement.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:55:13 AM EDT

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Be careful what you wish for. Fuck that shit.

You haven't thought this out.

Posted: 11/20/2018 11:58:49 AM EDT

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Yep. tucker is for america first. Shapiro, not so much

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:01:27 PM EDT

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Shapiro isn't wrong all the time, but he has a voice that goes through my head like a knife.

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It is almost like shapiro has an anti nationalist reflex, for some reason...

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:01:44 PM EDT

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Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Maybe they can go see their nearest recruiter when a robot takes their place at Mickey D's.

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Maybe they can go see their nearest recruiter when a robot takes their place at Mickey D's.

>not paying federal income tax because of .Gov job
>lectures skilled tradesmen about the free market

Also guess what? The military is at an all time high for requirement standards. Most of the Mickey D are DQd at the door.

Wanna know why? Because. WE. ARE. LOSING. JOBS.

This is more complicated than "muh maket, inshalla" we are in a technological runaway that has no historical equal. We need to dramatically change and we aren't. Your arguments are based on a frame work that doesnt exist.

We can chase work until we hit the ground and then what? A class disparity that rivals the peasants and nobles of the fucking dark ages. I'm not saying that tucker is 100% right, but atleast his way will work.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:02:01 PM EDT

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The sky is also blue, but I hope you'd have enough common sense to know this already.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

You tell me.

I don't know. You're the one who told me truck driving is a skill based trade. What are those skills?

The sky is also blue, but I hope you'd have enough common sense to know this already.

If you can't name a skill that truck drivers have that has market value outside of truck driving then you're right. The government should do whatever it takes to protect their jobs. There should probably be a bill to ban research into driverless vehicles. Were should get rid of pay at the pump for diesel too. After all, if you're working as a cashier at a truck stop you obviously have no skills disable to any employer outside of that industry. Those jobs need to be protected. The fabric of the community would be ruined if Sally Jane lost her job at Pilot.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:04:26 PM EDT

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I agree. The way I see it is our primary disagreement is what is actually the role of government. Is it to protect the interests of its citizens or facilitate the accumulation of wealth at all costs? The neocon/neoliberal approach is to assist those who are best at accumulating mass amounts of wealth and in the process disregard the citizenry until the end of the process. Their view is turn the US into a global market place: unleash the rent seekers, multinational corporations, sacrifice middle class jobs and then just shave a little off for welfare programs to make up for lost jobs or societal issues caused in the process. The Tucker approach seems to be putting the concerns of the citizenry up front even if it means less than optimal wealth accumulation strategies.

Basically is the USA our homeland or is it a global marketplace and resource?

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These arguments are what people and government SHOULD be arguing about and working through. But our congress is too stupid, corrupt, and afraid to talk about what matters. They can’t even do budgets anymore. Pathetic.

I agree. The way I see it is our primary disagreement is what is actually the role of government. Is it to protect the interests of its citizens or facilitate the accumulation of wealth at all costs? The neocon/neoliberal approach is to assist those who are best at accumulating mass amounts of wealth and in the process disregard the citizenry until the end of the process. Their view is turn the US into a global market place: unleash the rent seekers, multinational corporations, sacrifice middle class jobs and then just shave a little off for welfare programs to make up for lost jobs or societal issues caused in the process. The Tucker approach seems to be putting the concerns of the citizenry up front even if it means less than optimal wealth accumulation strategies.

Basically is the USA our homeland or is it a global marketplace and resource?

A nation can not be but an economy. First and foremost is must be a home for a people to have sovereignty. THEN they can figure out how best to maintain their homeland and culture economically. Otherwise every nation and people just get rolled over by the forces of globalism and get turned into grey rootless consumer drones serving a transnational elite

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:05:19 PM EDT

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If you can't name a skill that truck drivers have that has market value outside of truck driving then you're right. The government should do whatever it takes to protect their jobs. There should probably be a bill to ban research into driverless vehicles. Were should get rid of pay at the pump for diesel too. After all, if you're working as a cashier at a truck stop you obviously have no skills disable to any employer outside of that industry. Those jobs need to be protected. The fabric of the community would be ruined if Sally Jane lost her job at Pilot.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

You tell me.

I don't know. You're the one who told me truck driving is a skill based trade. What are those skills?

The sky is also blue, but I hope you'd have enough common sense to know this already.

If you can't name a skill that truck drivers have that has market value outside of truck driving then you're right. The government should do whatever it takes to protect their jobs. There should probably be a bill to ban research into driverless vehicles. Were should get rid of pay at the pump for diesel too. After all, if you're working as a cashier at a truck stop you obviously have no skills disable to any employer outside of that industry. Those jobs need to be protected. The fabric of the community would be ruined if Sally Jane lost her job at Pilot.

Driving the truck is the skill

It's called a learned skilled trade. You learn the skill. You spend a career learning the skill.

I cant belive I have to explain this.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:06:54 PM EDT

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Have you even read Adam Smith?

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Wall Street hates us. Why are we defending them again?

Have you even read Adam Smith?

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Lol

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:07:37 PM EDT

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I don't like to watch or listen to either of them. They are both academic debaters, and I feel as though I am listening to a college kid on stage at a university just trying to score a point. There's not a whole lot of real anger or emotion with either of those two guys when they voice their point. It comes accross as purely academic. Tucker especially annoys me via allowing the worst libtard guests onto his show to voice their warped opinion. Keep the lefty SOBs on MSNBC. I don't need to hear them on Fox!!

I will NOT be able to change the mind of a Michael Moore America hater or a college professor who promotes leftist indoctrination to his students. Why waste time talking with these kinds of people? It accomplishes nothing and I don't find it entertaining.

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Imagine being this much of a boomer. Listening to the other side is helpful, and pretty entertaining as well. How boring would it be watching a channel that just repeats the same shit you agree with over and over?

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:08:04 PM EDT

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I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

in 50 years I'll be 86 and the millions of people who have no jobs voting for socialists and communists promising them free shit will be the problem of young people who "didn't see it coming".

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:10:03 PM EDT

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>not paying federal income tax because of .Gov job
>lectures skilled tradesmen about the free market

Also guess what? The military is at an all time high for requirement standards. Most of the Mickey D are DQd at the door.

Wanna know why? Because. WE. ARE. LOSING. JOBS.

This is more complicated than "muh maket, inshalla" we are in a technological runaway that has no historical equal. We need to dramatically change and we aren't. Your arguments are based on a frame work that doesnt exist.

We can chase work until we hit the ground and then what? A class disparity that rivals the peasants and nobles of the fucking dark ages. I'm not saying that tucker is 100% right, but atleast his way will work.

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Maybe they can go see their nearest recruiter when a robot takes their place at Mickey D's.

>not paying federal income tax because of .Gov job
>lectures skilled tradesmen about the free market

Also guess what? The military is at an all time high for requirement standards. Most of the Mickey D are DQd at the door.

Wanna know why? Because. WE. ARE. LOSING. JOBS.

This is more complicated than "muh maket, inshalla" we are in a technological runaway that has no historical equal. We need to dramatically change and we aren't. Your arguments are based on a frame work that doesnt exist.

We can chase work until we hit the ground and then what? A class disparity that rivals the peasants and nobles of the fucking dark ages. I'm not saying that tucker is 100% right, but atleast his way will work.

Why couldn't you enlist? What stopped you from seizing on this wonderful occupational opportunity? If you think waiting for your number to be called for the shower at a Flying J in Columbus, New Mexico is bad, it's probably a good thing you didn't enlist, even for a "part-time" job.

We're losing jobs? WTF are you talking about?
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 250,000 in October, and the unemployment rate was unchanged at 3.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Job gains occurred in health care, in manufacturing, in construction, and in transportation and warehousing.

Lololololololol

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:10:47 PM EDT

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Except they literally did NOT do that. In 1970, exports were less than 2.5% of GDP for China.

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They also import a shit ton.

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If you look at China's overall trade balance, it pretty much netted to $0 up through 2005 or so. Just because they export a lot more to the US than they import doesn't mean they do that with the entire world.

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I mean China literally did this and has achieved the largest amount of wealth accumulation and growth among their middle class of all nations in the past decades. You don't actually have to get high on your own supply, some philosophers would even advise against it.

Except they literally did NOT do that. In 1970, exports were less than 2.5% of GDP for China.

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They also import a shit ton.

https://i.imgur.com/OQsc081.jpg

If you look at China's overall trade balance, it pretty much netted to $0 up through 2005 or so. Just because they export a lot more to the US than they import doesn't mean they do that with the entire world.

His point was not that China has a trade a surplus store deficit but that it created all sorts of industries out of whole cloth to serve international demand his point was not that Chyna has a trade at surplus or deficit but that it created all sorts of industries out of whole cloth to serve international demand w/o previous domestic demand

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:12:19 PM EDT

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It is almost like shapiro has an anti nationalist reflex, for some reason...

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Shapiro isn't wrong all the time, but he has a voice that goes through my head like a knife.

And his anti-Trump stance is often times irrational.

It is almost like shapiro has an anti nationalist reflex, for some reason...

Except for one county though.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:13:35 PM EDT

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"They can also work at the warehouse for 10 dollars less an hour with no OT"

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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!"

"They can also work at the warehouse for 10 dollars less an hour with no OT"

Robots takin those jeorbs too!

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:15:26 PM EDT

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What do you want a selection algorithm? It would obviously be contextual.

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Are you autistic by any chance? Can you really not fathom a scenario where subsidies are used strategically to keep some small towns alive and not escalate into dumping cassette players in the ocean?

So you want the government to pick winners and losers? How do we decide which towns to save and which towns to tell to get fucked?

What do you want a selection algorithm? It would obviously be contextual.

How about we dont try to save towns so much as the nationon at large via tariffs that keep american industry geberally competitive w foreign nations that pay workers 5 cents/hr and have no environment or safety regulations?

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:16:44 PM EDT

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Driving the truck is the skill

It's called a learned skilled trade. You learn the skill. You spend a career learning the skill.

I cant belive I have to explain this.

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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.

Just a thought...

So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me.

if you read my longer post, you'd see that from my family's own history you can't just say "technology = job loss, job loss = bad for family"

Maybe if people were driven out of an industry that develops very little skills and they had to get a job in a field that developed other marketable skills, it would be better for them and their family.

But free markets be scary, yo.

CDL is a skill based trade....

Great, now we're getting somewhere. What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?

You tell me.

I don't know. You're the one who told me truck driving is a skill based trade. What are those skills?

The sky is also blue, but I hope you'd have enough common sense to know this already.

If you can't name a skill that truck drivers have that has market value outside of truck driving then you're right. The government should do whatever it takes to protect their jobs. There should probably be a bill to ban research into driverless vehicles. Were should get rid of pay at the pump for diesel too. After all, if you're working as a cashier at a truck stop you obviously have no skills disable to any employer outside of that industry. Those jobs need to be protected. The fabric of the community would be ruined if Sally Jane lost her job at Pilot.

Driving the truck is the skill

It's called a learned skilled trade. You learn the skill. You spend a career learning the skill.

I cant belive I have to explain this.

So going back to my original question, "What other occupations are CDL skills applicable?" You just said there aren't any.

Should we keep the size of the military up just because, "muh 11Bs and 0311s don't got no skills to other employers"? What about that running back who left college after his Jr. year then suffers a career ending injury? He can't play teh foosball anymore, what's he gonna do for work?

It seems like you want the government to protect some occupations and not others. If that's your position, cool. I just disagree with it.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:17:17 PM EDT

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Shabiro is muh greddest ally.

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Oh god. He's smart, but hes not working at fucking CERN.

Stahp, this thread is just to much

Shabiro is muh greddest ally.

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Lol

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:17:48 PM EDT

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Why couldn't you enlist? What stopped you from seizing on this wonderful occupational opportunity? If uou think waiting for your number to be called for the shower at a Flying J in Columbus, New Mexico is bad, it's probably a good thing you didn't enlist, even for a "part-time" job.

We're losing jobs? WTF are you talking about?
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 250,000 in October, and the unemployment rate was unchanged at 3.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Job gains occurred in health care, in manufacturing, in construction, and in transportation and warehousing.

Lololololololol

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But muh fast food cashiers! What are they going to do for work now?

Technology bad!

Are you currently employed in the private sector?

Betting .mil or contractor. The loudest muh market folks are always compensating for being on the dole.

Dole? Lol.

Defense is mentioned as a responsibility of the government in the constitution. Please show me where muh fast food cashiers or truck drivers are mentioned.

Maybe they can go see their nearest recruiter when a robot takes their place at Mickey D's.

>not paying federal income tax because of .Gov job
>lectures skilled tradesmen about the free market

Also guess what? The military is at an all time high for requirement standards. Most of the Mickey D are DQd at the door.

Wanna know why? Because. WE. ARE. LOSING. JOBS.

This is more complicated than "muh maket, inshalla" we are in a technological runaway that has no historical equal. We need to dramatically change and we aren't. Your arguments are based on a frame work that doesnt exist.

We can chase work until we hit the ground and then what? A class disparity that rivals the peasants and nobles of the fucking dark ages. I'm not saying that tucker is 100% right, but atleast his way will work.

Why couldn't you enlist? What stopped you from seizing on this wonderful occupational opportunity? If uou think waiting for your number to be called for the shower at a Flying J in Columbus, New Mexico is bad, it's probably a good thing you didn't enlist, even for a "part-time" job.

We're losing jobs? WTF are you talking about?
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 250,000 in October, and the unemployment rate was unchanged at 3.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Job gains occurred in health care, in manufacturing, in construction, and in transportation and warehousing.

Lololololololol

This is the problem, you aren't thinking ahead. At all.

And yeah I tried. I got DQ'd thrice. Kind of a faggot jab but whatever I guess you feel big an army stonk now.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:19:29 PM EDT

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Shapiro is like a brilliant little kid who thinks he knows everything (and is correct often enough to have to pay attention to) but is incredibly naive and lacks experience in so many areas that his opinions are often simply wrong. He is also not as conservative as he claims.

His constant self righteous drum beat against Trump lead me to being a never Shapiro-er.

Posted: 11/20/2018 12:20:35 PM EDT

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What happens when AI makes lolbert pundits obsolete. What job can you retrain a Reason Mag writer for? How do you compensate for their diminished mental capacity?

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The trouble is the people I'm accustom to seeing in these academic debates are super-duper short on information, so they substitute screaming, chanting, and poop flinging in place of reason.

What happens when AI makes lolbert pundits obsolete. What job can you retrain a Reason Mag writer for? How do you compensate for their diminished mental capacity?

Shapiro could always hold the tolitte paper roll w his index fingers for tue Koch brothers. Of course, the KOCH bros wouldnt do that to SHIPIRO

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