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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:52:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a better answer to the question of job loss? How can you rationalize knowingly making millions of Americans jobless due simply to convenience? I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. And face it, there will never be true self-driving trucks. There is no way in hell a computer can navigate a rest area, truck stop, or much less maneuvering around a warehouse and backing into a dock. A person will drive the truck to the highway...then the truck can 'take over' until it's time to exit the highway, where the person will take over driving again. It will take generations before a warehouse employee can push a button and send a truck to another warehouse completely on it's own... |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:52:33 AM EDT
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Driverless truck idea is stupid and unnecessary. Its not about safety its about selling a new technology and not paying a driver.
How do they refuel? What if that is sabotaged? |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:53:03 AM EDT
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But that's where it leads. You end up with the government paying farmers to dump their crops and then eventually paying them to just not farm at all. This isn't a hypothetical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I suppose when people were no longer buying the product it wouldn't make sense. People would still be buying kale, I doubt there is a market for cassette players at any price. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:54:53 AM EDT
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I had the opportunity to meet Ben Shapiro last week. We sat down and talked for about 15 minutes. He is down to earth, and is a true believer in the 2nd amendment. I walked away having a greater respect for him. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:59:31 AM EDT
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There is no job loss. Taking the example in the video about truck drivers...say you lose one trucker. You gain jobs supporting those self-driving trucks...whether it be the cameras/radar systems on it, GPS, improving road infrastructure, road calls, etc... And face it, there will never be true self-driving trucks. There is no way in hell a computer can navigate a rest area, truck stop, or much less maneuvering around a warehouse and backing into a dock. A person will drive the truck to the highway...then the truck can 'take over' until it's time to exit the highway, where the person will take over driving again. It will take generations before a warehouse employee can push a button and send a truck to another warehouse completely on it's own... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Do you have a better answer to the question of job loss? How can you rationalize knowingly making millions of Americans jobless due simply to convenience? I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. And face it, there will never be true self-driving trucks. There is no way in hell a computer can navigate a rest area, truck stop, or much less maneuvering around a warehouse and backing into a dock. A person will drive the truck to the highway...then the truck can 'take over' until it's time to exit the highway, where the person will take over driving again. It will take generations before a warehouse employee can push a button and send a truck to another warehouse completely on it's own... cameras/radar systems on it GPS improving road infrastructure road calls Meanwhile you've gutted more American towns where drivers and their families lived and worked or highway stop towns that relied on pass through traffic and chased more people from their family's soil that they grew up on in the name of maximizing wealth accumulation for a select group of people and furthering the conversion of the US into a rootless society. Do any of you progress at all costs, unleash the market people see the destructiveness of your ideas? |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:00:21 AM EDT
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Shapiro makes a better case. Shapiro's case doesn't ignore the point that regardless if what we think or what we want the market gets what it wants.. the market always gets what the market wants. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:01:44 AM EDT
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Tucker by FAR. Ben Shapiro is a cuck, and he sounds like a bitch. Plus Tucker wasn't a NEVER TRUMPER.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:02:28 AM EDT
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Tucker could also argue that no matter how beneficial a given technology, product or service is, if there is nobody with the money to avail themselves of it, not only do the masses fail to derive any benefit from it, those who own or furnish the products or services will not profit from it as they could have if John Q Public had the disposable income to purchase it.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:02:56 AM EDT
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Shapiro isn't wrong all the time, but he has a voice that goes through my head like a knife. And his anti-Trump stance is often times irrational. Ben is VERY smart and a very good debater, he's not irrational he's just working for the Wilks bros who wasted $15 million on a Cruz PAC in the 2016 presidential campaign. Now that does call into question if his editorial opinions are up for purchase, but he's not irrational. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:03:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean China literally did this and has achieved the largest amount of wealth accumulation and growth among their middle class of all nations in the past decades. You don't actually have to get high on your own supply, some philosophers would even advise against it. 
They also import a shit ton. 
If you look at China's overall trade balance, it pretty much netted to $0 up through 2005 or so. Just because they export a lot more to the US than they import doesn't mean they do that with the entire world. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:04:44 AM EDT
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The original topic, holding back progress in the interest of the citizenry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is your position? My maternal grandparents picked cotton. After technology made manual cotton pickers less profitable, my grandmother and grandfather moved and my grandfather began welding and my grandmother worked at a blue jeans factory. I worked in a booming industry, until Obama was elected. I didn't have a powerful union like the UAW to look out for me. I moved across the country where I could still find work in that field. From a national economy standpoint, I have less faith in Washington DC getting something right than I do a free(er) market. With that said, I do not doubt that automation almost instantly eliminating the jobs of millions of people won't have an effect on the economy. The skills and experience my grandparents gained were far more beneficial for their family's well being than if they stayed picking cotton their whole lives. What if there was an A.I. creation that could make the need for registered nurses vanish or the quantity needed be greatly reduced? It would undoubtedly drive down medical costs down, and that occupation is dominated by college educated women. I don't think RNs should be protected from that widget. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:09:07 AM EDT
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Except they literally did NOT do that. In 1970, exports were less than 2.5% of GDP for China. https://i.imgur.com/m82DlHx.jpg They also import a shit ton. https://i.imgur.com/OQsc081.jpg If you look at China's overall trade balance, it pretty much netted to $0 up through 2005 or so. Just because they export a lot more to the US than they import doesn't mean they do that with the entire world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I mean China literally did this and has achieved the largest amount of wealth accumulation and growth among their middle class of all nations in the past decades. You don't actually have to get high on your own supply, some philosophers would even advise against it. https://i.imgur.com/m82DlHx.jpg They also import a shit ton. https://i.imgur.com/OQsc081.jpg If you look at China's overall trade balance, it pretty much netted to $0 up through 2005 or so. Just because they export a lot more to the US than they import doesn't mean they do that with the entire world. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:10:35 AM EDT
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There is no job loss. Taking the example in the video about truck drivers...say you lose one trucker. You gain jobs supporting those self-driving trucks...whether it be the cameras/radar systems on it, GPS, improving road infrastructure, road calls, etc... And face it, there will never be true self-driving trucks. There is no way in hell a computer can navigate a rest area, truck stop, or much less maneuvering around a warehouse and backing into a dock. A person will drive the truck to the highway...then the truck can 'take over' until it's time to exit the highway, where the person will take over driving again. It will take generations before a warehouse employee can push a button and send a truck to another warehouse completely on it's own... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Do you have a better answer to the question of job loss? How can you rationalize knowingly making millions of Americans jobless due simply to convenience? I'm convinced that lolbertarians are just a death cult at this point. And face it, there will never be true self-driving trucks. There is no way in hell a computer can navigate a rest area, truck stop, or much less maneuvering around a warehouse and backing into a dock. A person will drive the truck to the highway...then the truck can 'take over' until it's time to exit the highway, where the person will take over driving again. It will take generations before a warehouse employee can push a button and send a truck to another warehouse completely on it's own... 
"It will create more jobs" Thats...Um...K |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:11:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you really suggesting we would have some ohio cassette player manufacturing plant dumping cassette players in the ocean for subsidies? If that is really a concern I am sure it can be handled in properly authoring the policy. This is why I hate extrapolation and abstraction in argument. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:12:55 AM EDT
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Tucker is not wrong in the broad view that if everyone with a CDL is displaced from the workforce in the next 1-5 years there will be some immediate issues at hand. He's wrong about wanting to restrict the technology that would enable this to happen. That's trending a little close towards the flat earther crowd. And I post this as someone with a CDL, although I only drive on public roads maybe a handful of times per month and if all trucks became automated tomorrow it would have minimal effect on what I actually do.
If the technology does come along that makes me obsolete, it's up to me to become relevant again. Or roll over and die I guess 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:14:48 AM EDT
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100%. If you subsidize production of something you will end up with more of that thing than can be sold. This is Econ 101 basic stuff. Then you have a choice - if you still want to subsidize the producers but don't want a surplus to pile up, you essentially have to pay producers to NOT make any. This isn't abstraction, it's the literal history of farm subsidies in the US over the last 50 years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Are you really suggesting we would have some ohio cassette player manufacturing plant dumping cassette players in the ocean for subsidies? If that is really a concern I am sure it can be handled in properly authoring the policy. This is why I hate extrapolation and abstraction in argument. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:15:00 AM EDT
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I can't watch the video, but I wouldn't bet against Ben Shapiro in a debate. Tucker's good, but he's not a great debater. And to be clear, I like both of them. Generally speaking, that is.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:16:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you autistic by any chance? Can you really not fathom a scenario where subsidies are used strategically to keep some small towns alive and not escalate into dumping cassette players in the ocean? |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:18:45 AM EDT
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!"
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:19:41 AM EDT
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:20:30 AM EDT
[#21]
Tag for later.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:20:36 AM EDT
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So you want the government to pick winners and losers? How do we decide which towns to save and which towns to tell to get fucked? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Are you autistic by any chance? Can you really not fathom a scenario where subsidies are used strategically to keep some small towns alive and not escalate into dumping cassette players in the ocean? |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:20:43 AM EDT
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Wow. Two masters of debate. That was interesting to watch just from the standpoint of analyzing debate tactics.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:20:51 AM EDT
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I guess it’s either death, I mean work camps or a skid row wasteland in America’s future.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:20:55 AM EDT
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"They can also work at the warehouse for 10 dollars less an hour with no OT" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:21:15 AM EDT
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Shapiro is infinitely more intelligent than Tucker, who certainly isn’t a dummy but also isn’t the most eloquent speaker/nuanced thinker.
Shapiro’s IQ is probably in the top .5% and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:22:01 AM EDT
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:22:15 AM EDT
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Shapiro is infinitely more intelligent than Tucker, who certainly isn’t a dummy but also isn’t the most eloquent speaker/nuanced thinker. Shapiro’s IQ is probably in the top .5% and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:22:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you want a selection algorithm? It would obviously be contextual. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:22:46 AM EDT
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Shapiro is infinitely more intelligent than Tucker, who certainly isn’t a dummy but also isn’t the most eloquent speaker/nuanced thinker. Shapiro’s IQ is probably in the top .5% and I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. Stahp, this thread is just to much 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:22:48 AM EDT
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"They can also work at the warehouse for 10 dollars less an hour with no OT" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!"  elvis presley - in the ghetto |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:22:53 AM EDT
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:23:57 AM EDT
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This is a silly argument. Just because a new technology is highly advanced doesn't mean that it only creates jobs for super geniuses. Just look at the internet. Millions of jobs created that don't involve designing router hardware or coding network stacks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"We'll just retrain somebody who's highest potential is a truck driver to program code for GPS units!" |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:24:30 AM EDT
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So based on political favoritism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What do you want a selection algorithm? It would obviously be contextual. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:25:05 AM EDT
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Shapiro isn't wrong all the time, but he has a voice that goes through my head like a knife. And his anti-Trump stance is often times irrational. 
Shapiro isn’t anti-Trump. He’s anti-bad ideas. He likes the vast majority of Trump’s policy but isn’t afraid to level criticism when it’s warranted. Do you agree with every single thing Trump has ever done? |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh god. He's smart, but hes not working at fucking CERN. Stahp, this thread is just to much  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:25:40 AM EDT
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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow.
Just a thought... |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:25:47 AM EDT
[#38]
Get both.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:26:36 AM EDT
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Shabiro is muh greddest ally. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/352436/72776BDD-DE4C-4392-BC4D-2117B25E6E1A_jpeg-745211.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Oh god. He's smart, but hes not working at fucking CERN. Stahp, this thread is just to much https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/352436/72776BDD-DE4C-4392-BC4D-2117B25E6E1A_jpeg-745211.JPG
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:27:45 AM EDT
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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow. Just a thought... |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:29:06 AM EDT
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Shabiro is muh greddest ally. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/352436/72776BDD-DE4C-4392-BC4D-2117B25E6E1A_jpeg-745211.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Oh god. He's smart, but hes not working at fucking CERN. Stahp, this thread is just to much https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/352436/72776BDD-DE4C-4392-BC4D-2117B25E6E1A_jpeg-745211.JPG 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:32:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: H1B to the rescue. lolberts: Why does this keep happening to me. I don’t get it. I prayed to the market god and still he has forsaken me.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:33:35 AM EDT
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Tucker is a major disappointment here. I still like Tucker, but Ben stands on conservative principles more than Tucker and his feelings. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:33:46 AM EDT
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Shapiro is a cuck-child with a big brain he doesn't quite know how to use yet.
Needs to shut up for about 20 years and gain a little life experience. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:33:59 AM EDT
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So your on the bright side take on this is increased labor supply for a different industry driving wages down further? Holy shit you people have to be trolling me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the second largest occupation of high school educated men in the US? Seems like that industry would gain a larger pool to draw employees from. Maybe that field would grow. Just a thought... Inshallah 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:34:27 AM EDT
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This. His concerns for common workers is admirable, but his solution is stupid and not conservative. His thought process would fit well with gun grabbers. I still like Tucker, but Ben stands on conservative principles more than Tucker and his feelings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tucker is a major disappointment here. I still like Tucker, but Ben stands on conservative principles more than Tucker and his feelings. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:34:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:35:23 AM EDT
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This. His concerns for common workers is admirable, but his solution is stupid and not conservative. His thought process would fit well with gun grabbers. I still like Tucker, but Ben stands on conservative principles more than Tucker and his feelings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tucker is a major disappointment here. I still like Tucker, but Ben stands on conservative principles more than Tucker and his feelings. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:36:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The market giveth and the market taketh. Inshallah |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 10:37:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Principles dont buy fucking groceries. |
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