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Posted: 10/9/2018 6:45:21 AM EDT
[#1]
I have 2 geissele trigger and they are worth every penny. You’ll never want to shoot a stock trigger again
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:28:53 AM EDT
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Got one, don’t think they are worth the money.
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:32:03 AM EDT
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I have two and think they are worth it. I also think it depends on what kind of shooting you are doing. If you are just dumping mags then don't bother. If like to switch to semi for precision and have an easier time pulling single round bursts in FA then the SSF is where its at.
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:45:47 AM EDT
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I have 2 geissele trigger and they are worth every penny. You'll never want to shoot a stock trigger again i am only talking about select fire here |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 7:49:54 AM EDT
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I have two and think they are worth it. I also think it depends on what kind of shooting you are doing. If you are just dumping mags then don't bother. If like to switch to semi for precision and have an easier time pulling single round bursts in FA then the SSF is where its at. i have a few SSA/SSA-Es but think it might me nice to treat myself. I mean the colt gos the range EVERY time... I guess I am looking for a reason not to get one.. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 9:17:45 AM EDT
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Yes worth it
if you want a 3 round burst you can easily do it with the SSF. good investment in a $20-35k gun |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 9:34:15 AM EDT
[#7]
yes, very high quality trigger, you will love it.
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Posted: 10/9/2018 12:34:11 PM EDT
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I have total 3 Geissele SSF in my m16s - bought them the same time. No, its not worth it, way overpriced and overrated.
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Posted: 10/10/2018 11:50:56 PM EDT
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I have only shot standard triggers in my m16. but I am thinking about the SSF. thoughts? Ideas? Input? |
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Posted: 10/11/2018 12:28:51 AM EDT
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Got one, don’t think they are worth the money. |
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Posted: 10/11/2018 12:49:01 PM EDT
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Mine does not work with my Shrike upper on full auto. It does work just fine with any standard AR upper though. I’ve used JSE, PSA, Bushmaster and Colt uppers with no issues.
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Posted: 10/11/2018 5:32:43 PM EDT
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Mine does not work with my Shrike upper on full auto. It does work just fine with any standard AR upper though. I've used JSE, PSA, Bushmaster and Colt uppers with no issues. |
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Posted: 10/11/2018 9:35:12 PM EDT
[#13]
Works fine on semi. On Auto the hammer just barely won’t catch on the auto sear. There is wear mark on the tail of the hammer where the sear rubs on the hammer but does not catch. So when on auto I get hammer follow on the first round and it won’t cycle.
The reciever is a registered Sendra converted by BFI (bushmaster) so I think it is in spec but I can’t confirm. The Shrike runs fine with a standard full auto hammer & trigger. All other uppers run with either trigger & hammer. It almost seems that there is too much material on the tail of the hammer or there is a dimension issue with the sear placement. |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 12:56:07 AM EDT
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I have SSF in both M16s. It is well worth the money. I can pull singles, 2rb, 3rb, 4rb with ease using the SSF. The standard m16 trigger sucks in comparison.
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Posted: 10/12/2018 6:18:06 PM EDT
[#15]
OK I was ready to get one but the best price I could get was $385
I always thought they're a little cheaper. I'm gonna hold off till I actually shoot one in person is that is a lot of money for just a trigger even though it's going in a $25,000 lower. |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 6:20:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2018 11:23:45 PM EDT
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I bought mine from Primary Arms during a sale. I can’t remember if I paid close to $200 or $250.
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Posted: 10/13/2018 12:12:48 PM EDT
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$25k and cant spend $350 on a trigger?
your in a rich mans hobby.......people p*ss away thousands on extras... i think i found mine on ebay (NIW) for a little discount.... just get it...its good |
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Posted: 10/13/2018 12:49:39 PM EDT
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$25k and cant spend $350 on a trigger? your in a rich mans hobby.......people p*ss away thousands on extras... i think i found mine on ebay (NIW) for a little discount.... just get it...its good I under Transferable 30 MGs now, I am not a dealer. I am well aware of the hobby. $400 here and there adds up. I will feel one before I buy it... |
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Posted: 10/13/2018 12:54:49 PM EDT
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OK I was ready to get one but the best price I could get was $385 I always thought they're a little cheaper. I'm gonna hold off till I actually shoot one in person is that is a lot of money for just a trigger even though it's going in a $25,000 lower. |
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Posted: 10/14/2018 2:33:21 PM EDT
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they sell used for -$50...so if you dont like it you can resell....you will like it....try to find a bad review?....they are $400 for a reason....they are awesome
want to take any AR to the next level...the geissele trigger is it....i tossed one in my ar and can shoot multiple targets 10-20% faster than i can with my kids AR's.....it helps you loose the jerk and keeps you more accurate...only a couple lbs difference and shorter pull....without it i could not shoot 2-3 round bursts on my own with my m16.....with it i think i can shoot doubles or triples at will...you choose how many rounds comes out |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 11:08:20 PM EDT
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Is the HK416 trigger similar?
I heard the SSF trigger doesn't allow the use of a HK416 or converted MR556 upper. I have a MR556 that I'm thinking of getting the bolt carrier modded to allow FA on a M16 lower. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 3:33:45 PM EDT
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OK I was ready to get one but the best price I could get was $385 I always thought they're a little cheaper. I'm gonna hold off till I actually shoot one in person is that is a lot of money for just a trigger even though it's going in a $25,000 lower. Total trigger travel from at rest to all the way back is about 3/16" and it breaks like the proverbial glass rod, with zero over travel. It feels like an on-off switch. It is SO easy to pull doubles, and even singles if I concentrate. I use the yellow (3-3.5 pound) trigger spring and the red (3.5-4 pound) hammer spring, since I sometimes shoot hard-primed military Lake City ammo. In my experience, it is exactly like the Geissele, except the set triggers on the SSF come already adjusted and loktited. However, if you break the loktite to adjust it more to your liking, you void the warranty (at least, that's what Geissele told me via a phone call). Total cost: Well, the JP trigger and springs together are $120 retail, or less if you have a dealer account (i.e., Brownell's). I like them so much that I have since put them in all my ARs as well. Love that crispness. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 6:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my experience, it is exactly like the Geissele, except the set triggers on the SSF come already adjusted and loktited. However, if you break the loktite to adjust it more to your liking, you void the warranty (at least, that's what Geissele told me via a phone call). -GACS |
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Posted: 10/19/2018 4:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hello Tony, what trigger are you referencing in regards to when you contacted us last? I want to help clarify that for you, as the SSF doesn't have any adjustment screws. Please feel free to give us a ring at the shop again or shoot us an email at [email protected] if you'd like as well, we'd be happy to help. -GACS BTW, this was several years ago, when folks here first started talking about your fine products -- and I do think they are great triggers. But I am finicky about exactly how my trigger is set up for pull and over travel, and that's what I was asking at the time: Whether yours could be adjusted by the user. I was told that it could not, and that was a deal-breaker for me. Or maybe after two decades with the JP, I'm just set in my ways. 
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Posted: 10/19/2018 4:42:02 PM EDT
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Will do. The inquiry was about an FA trigger, but I do not remember the model. BTW, this was several years ago, when folks here first started talking about your fine products -- and I do think they are great triggers. But I am finicky about exactly how my trigger is set up for pull and over travel, and that's what I was asking at the time: Whether yours could be adjusted by the user. I was told that it could not, and that was a deal-breaker for me. Or maybe after two decades with the JP, I'm just set in my ways. 
-GACS |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 7:31:52 AM EDT
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Chas, I've been running an original JP Match trigger in my M16A1 since the late '90s, along with a Colt FA disconnector (and, of course, Colt hammer and selector) and the JP springs in the weights I wanted. It has two set screws to adjust pull and over travel. I set it up exactly as I wanted it, then loktited them down. Since then, I've put close to 50k rounds through that lower, and it has not failed once or needed any more adjustment (other than replacing the springs routinely). Total trigger travel from at rest to all the way back is about 3/16" and it breaks like the proverbial glass rod, with zero over travel. It feels like an on-off switch. It is SO easy to pull doubles, and even singles if I concentrate. I use the yellow (3-3.5 pound) trigger spring and the red (3.5-4 pound) hammer spring, since I sometimes shoot hard-primed military Lake City ammo. In my experience, it is exactly like the Geissele, except the set triggers on the SSF come already adjusted and loktited. However, if you break the loktite to adjust it more to your liking, you void the warranty (at least, that's what Geissele told me via a phone call). Total cost: Well, the JP trigger and springs together are $120 retail, or less if you have a dealer account (i.e., Brownell's). I like them so much that I have since put them in all my ARs as well. Love that crispness. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 5:03:36 PM EDT
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Tony, I was hopping you would see this ans chime in. I remember you saying there was a value trigger. I not want to call and take an hour of your time talking about everything under the sun. LOL If you decide to go for the JP, make sure it's the original one -- the later ones are semi only. For all I know, they may now make both semi and FA versions of the original, so you might need to make a call before ordering. But I'm happy as a clam with all of mine.
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Posted: 10/21/2018 6:37:49 AM EDT
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I too ran a JP trigger...back before the SSF came out. Back then I had a RR Colt SP1 and didn't have a RDIAS at the time.
One thing I didn't like with the JP was that the set screws scratched up my lower. I would think it would be better to get some nylon tipped set screws but not sure you can find some long enough. Regardless, when the SSF came out I switched to that. With all my 556 setups, I have tuned the buffer system and I'm in the high 600's or low 700's and can easily pull singles at will with the SSF...which at that RoF may not be a big deal but it is just how this have evolved for me. Below are some pics of my old JP trigger which I think is the same that Tony_K has: 
 
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Posted: 10/31/2018 12:02:31 PM EDT
[#30]
geissele just had an email with i think 15% off their triggers....
they are on sale right now for -$30 |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 9:42:05 PM EDT
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@GACS
Is the SSF compatible with a Colt style 9mm upper with a ramped bolt? I’d like to try one in my RR M16 but I run a lot of 9mm and don’t want to swap the trigger group back and forth. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:55:01 AM EDT
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@GACS Is the SSF compatible with a Colt style 9mm upper with a ramped bolt? I'd like to try one in my RR M16 but I run a lot of 9mm and don't want to swap the trigger group back and forth. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 6:46:00 AM EDT
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GACS comments on that in this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/m16-w-geissele-SSF-trigger-and-a-colt-9mm-upper/23-492959/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@GACS Is the SSF compatible with a Colt style 9mm upper with a ramped bolt? I'd like to try one in my RR M16 but I run a lot of 9mm and don't want to swap the trigger group back and forth. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:59:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks, that's what I was afraid of. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 11:26:51 AM EDT
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Dump that straight blowback and get the CMMG Guard or wait to see what FM Products introduces at Shot in Jan. Here it is on the SBR lower it normally resides on. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:03:55 PM EDT
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I have a complete Colt 635 parts kit that is one of may favorite configurations for my M-16. Ditching it just isn't an option. Here it is on the SBR lower it normally resides on. You do realize even factory Colt 9mm SMG's are known for breaking hammer/trigger pins due to the harsh blowback. It is a poor design. I know Secret Service 9mm Colt SMG Instructors would keep spare pins on hand for when they break. They had to do that since that is what they were issued and had to use. I used to run a 9mm Colt SMG setup for years and used SS hammer pins and had them break and start to egg out a hammer pin hole in a transferrable lower. That was even with a ramped bolt and tungsten weighted carrier by SAW. If you really want that 635 look, I would put a Guard BCG in that upper, get a 16" Guard barrel and have it turned town to that profile and then move the upper parts to that barrel. You could also modify your mag block to work with unmodified Colt 9mm mags with this system. Myself and others have already done this successfully in full auto. That would give you near MP5 smoothness and no issues of damaging your lower....as well as using the Geissele SSF with no issues. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:37:57 PM EDT
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Dump that straight blowback and get the CMMG Guard or wait to see what FM Products introduces at Shot in Jan. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That only helps people with a DIAS. No way to use a Guard on a registered lower. For use with a RR: 1. Modify mag block and use with unmodified Colt 9mm mags like I've done here: http://c3junkie.com/?page_id=597 2. Use the Mean Endomags: as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaGtM2NT38 |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 3:42:16 PM EDT
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Is the HK416 trigger similar?
I heard the SSF trigger doesn't allow the use of a HK416 or converted MR556 upper. I have a MR556 that I'm thinking of getting the bolt carrier modded to allow FA on a M16 lower. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/So-I-got-my-HK-416-upper-/23-484849/ Or. You can remove the firing pin safety on the HK. (not saying that's advisable or the best way to go, just that it will function). One other thing-- the HK416 Geissele hammer will work with a standard Colt/AR/M16 upper... so, given the expense of this accessory, that might be the way to go if you ever thought you might want to put an HK upper on your gun. (*although, the HK416 version was a bit harder to find). YMMV. SD |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 7:44:58 PM EDT
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.... You do realize even factory Colt 9mm SMG's are known for breaking hammer/trigger pins due to the harsh blowback... MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 8:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That only helps people with a DIAS. No way to use a Guard on a registered lower. It appears to be possible. |
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Posted: 11/10/2018 9:04:19 PM EDT
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https://youtu.be/FxUcRN31hy4 It appears to be possible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That only helps people with a DIAS. No way to use a Guard on a registered lower. It appears to be possible. Guard on full auto 556 lower using Endomags 
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Posted: 11/10/2018 9:21:10 PM EDT
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FWIW, to the best of my knowledge, no breakage of hammer and/or trigger pins has ever been incurred when anti-rotation pins are installed and used in connection with an M16 9mm of conventional, straight blowback operation with a ramped BCG. MHO, YMMV, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.... You do realize even factory Colt 9mm SMG's are known for breaking hammer/trigger pins due to the harsh blowback... MHO, YMMV, etc. Years ago someone had this happened to him on subguns.com He was using the KNS anti rotation pin and the hammer pin broke and since the 'arms' that hold the hammer and trigger pin together, he didn't know the hammer pin was broken. So it ended up egging out his hammer pin holes on his lower. It was during that time I stopped using the anti-rotation pins in fear that would happen to me. Back then KNS just made the hollow versions. Now, I think just the trigger pin is hollow. I still don't understand why KNS has the hammer pin groove. The pin can't walk out since the arms will prevent that from happening...that groove is a weak point. I have had a solid stainless KNS hammer pin break on me and cause an accidental discharge. I even have it on film when it happened. It was a 7.5" 7.62x39 upper. It was on my MGI lower w/ a RDIAS. The mag well of an MGI lower covers the head of the hammer pin so I cannot use the anti-rotation pins on that setup. The hammer pin broke right in the middle and the engagement of the hammer was no longer enough for the trigger to hold it with the broken pin so when I racked the bolt, it let go of the hammer. Thank God, I had the muzzle pointed down range when that happened. I wish KNS would just make hammer pins with no groove in the middle like they do their trigger pins. In my MGI lower, I use the KNS 'trigger' pins that have NO groove in the middle for both the hammer and trigger and have never broken a pin again. For my factory Colt 614 that I baby, I use the KNS pins pictured below but I flip the orientation so that the trigger pin is used for the hammer pin. I know it could walk out but I just use that lower for the belt fed 22LR LM7 and don't use it for anything centerfire. 
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Posted: 11/11/2018 11:41:36 AM EDT
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Ohh.....yes it has...In fact the situation is worse with the anti rotation pins. Years ago someone had this happened to him on subguns.com He was using the KNS anti rotation pin and the hammer pin broke and since the 'arms' that hold the hammer and trigger pin together, he didn't know the hammer pin was broken. So it ended up egging out his hammer pin holes on his lower. It was during that time I stopped using the anti-rotation pins in fear that would happen to me. Back then KNS just made the hollow versions. Now, I think just the trigger pin is hollow. I still don't understand why KNS has the hammer pin groove. The pin can't walk out since the arms will prevent that from happening...that groove is a weak point. I have had a solid stainless KNS hammer pin break on me and cause an accidental discharge. I even have it on film when it happened. It was a 7.5" 7.62x39 upper. It was on my MGI lower w/ a RDIAS. The mag well of an MGI lower covers the head of the hammer pin so I cannot use the anti-rotation pins on that setup. The hammer pin broke right in the middle and the engagement of the hammer was no longer enough for the trigger to hold it with the broken pin so when I racked the bolt, it let go of the hammer. Thank God, I had the muzzle pointed down range when that happened. I wish KNS would just make hammer pins with no groove in the middle like they do their trigger pins. In my MGI lower, I use the KNS 'trigger' pins that have NO groove in the middle for both the hammer and trigger and have never broken a pin again. For my factory Colt 614 that I baby, I use the KNS pins pictured below but I flip the orientation so that the trigger pin is used for the hammer pin. I know it could walk out but I just use that lower for the belt fed 22LR LM7 and don't use it for anything centerfire. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CXEAAOSwgeRZl97v/s-l300.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.... You do realize even factory Colt 9mm SMG's are known for breaking hammer/trigger pins due to the harsh blowback... MHO, YMMV, etc. Years ago someone had this happened to him on subguns.com He was using the KNS anti rotation pin and the hammer pin broke and since the 'arms' that hold the hammer and trigger pin together, he didn't know the hammer pin was broken. So it ended up egging out his hammer pin holes on his lower. It was during that time I stopped using the anti-rotation pins in fear that would happen to me. Back then KNS just made the hollow versions. Now, I think just the trigger pin is hollow. I still don't understand why KNS has the hammer pin groove. The pin can't walk out since the arms will prevent that from happening...that groove is a weak point. I have had a solid stainless KNS hammer pin break on me and cause an accidental discharge. I even have it on film when it happened. It was a 7.5" 7.62x39 upper. It was on my MGI lower w/ a RDIAS. The mag well of an MGI lower covers the head of the hammer pin so I cannot use the anti-rotation pins on that setup. The hammer pin broke right in the middle and the engagement of the hammer was no longer enough for the trigger to hold it with the broken pin so when I racked the bolt, it let go of the hammer. Thank God, I had the muzzle pointed down range when that happened. I wish KNS would just make hammer pins with no groove in the middle like they do their trigger pins. In my MGI lower, I use the KNS 'trigger' pins that have NO groove in the middle for both the hammer and trigger and have never broken a pin again. For my factory Colt 614 that I baby, I use the KNS pins pictured below but I flip the orientation so that the trigger pin is used for the hammer pin. I know it could walk out but I just use that lower for the belt fed 22LR LM7 and don't use it for anything centerfire. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CXEAAOSwgeRZl97v/s-l300.jpg Best of luck with your endeavors. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 3:27:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for taking the time to provide your insight. Considering your examples are directed to (1) a hammer pin that you acknowledge is long obsolete, and (2) your personal case which was a 7.62x39, not 9mm with ramped bolt; I am not the least bit concerned about using conventionally oriented anti-rotation pins in my own M16 RR and shooting a 9mm upper of conventional, straight blowback operation with a ramped BCG. Best of luck with your endeavors. MHO, YMMV, etc. As mentioned, the pin that broke on me was a KNS solid stainless hammer pin with the groove in the middle..current gen is also solid with the middle groove as well. Just keep an eye on it. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:33:48 AM EDT
[#46]
I love my SSF. Won’t go back
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:43:03 AM EDT
[#47]
Damn, I ran my SSF with 9mm blowback. well under 1k rounds but I'll go double check the pins...
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Posted: 12/10/2018 3:52:02 PM EDT
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FWIW, to the best of my knowledge, no breakage of hammer and/or trigger pins has ever been incurred when anti-rotation pins are installed and used in connection with an M16 9mm of conventional, straight blowback operation with a ramped BCG. |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 9:32:58 AM EDT
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Geiselle are nice if you catch them on sale
Larue MBT are as good or better for fraction of the cost...$87 buck until Christams |
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Posted: 12/14/2018 10:11:49 AM EDT
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They are nice, but there's at least a half dozen cheaper options.
I'd bet large sums that you could set up a dozen rifles, 1 with a G. trigger and the rest with these other options, maybe 1 person on this entire board would be able to tell you which was the Geissele after putting a dozen rounds through each. . . And that 1 would just be dumb luck (statistical probabilities). |
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