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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:01:41 AM EDT
Interesting bit of NFA history. I had no idea the amnesty included stolen property (happened well before my time).
EARLY MANUFACTURED COLT AR-15 AMNESTY REGISTERED AS FULL-AUTO MACHINE GUN (FULLY TRANSFERABLE) 
 What You Didn't Know About the 1968 Machine Gun Amnesty |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:19:34 AM EDT
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Wait, per this guy they allowed convicted felons to LEGALLY maintain possession of MG's registered in the amnesty?
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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:33:56 AM EDT
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Wait, per this guy they allowed convicted felons to LEGALLY maintain possession of MG's registered in the amnesty? |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:36:46 PM EDT
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Holy jebus that M16 is jacked up.
Is it me or does it look like somebody milled away all the marking on the lower half of the magwell and than painted the bare aluminum with gray hobby/model paint and also milled the "auto" portion of the selector away. I cant imagine anybody paying the estimated $20,700 to $32,200 (after buyer premium) for that gun. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 11:44:22 PM EDT
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Holy jebus that M16 is jacked up. Is it me or does it look like somebody milled away all the marking on the lower half of the magwell and than painted the bare aluminum with gray hobby/model paint and also milled the "auto" portion of the selector away. I cant imagine anybody paying the estimated $20,700 to $32,200 (after buyer premium) for that gun. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:06:58 AM EDT
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It may go for the lower end, but it's going to break 20k. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:26:15 PM EDT
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Holy jebus that M16 is jacked up. Is it me or does it look like somebody milled away all the marking on the lower half of the magwell and than painted the bare aluminum with gray hobby/model paint and also milled the "auto" portion of the selector away. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:28:39 PM EDT
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Felons don't have to forfeit their firearms just because they have become prohibited persons. In the case of NFA firearms, they can turn them over to their attorney to sell or transfer them to non-prohibited friends/family members. He is claiming an amnesty registered gun cannot be taken away from a a felon who registered it. He can keep it, shoot it, whatever. Unless there is Case Law I am unaware of (quite possible), he is incorrect. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:29:52 PM EDT
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If somebody does pay in the low 20s for it they are getting robbed. There are multiple Colt M16s on subguns right now for under 25K that are not beat to shit like this gun is. The only reason to buy that gun is a) very low price, or b) the story behind it. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:15:00 PM EDT
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Watch video. He is claiming an amnesty registered gun cannot be taken away from a a felon who registered it. He can keep it, shoot it, whatever. Unless there is Case Law I am unaware of (quite possible), he is incorrect. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 10:36:07 AM EDT
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Interesting bit of NFA history. I had no idea the amnesty included stolen property (happened well before my time). The 1968 amnesty didn't make government stolen property suddenly unstolen, it can still be confiscated by ATF. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 11:13:27 AM EDT
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yep The only reason to buy that gun is a) very low price, or b) the story behind it. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 11:29:17 AM EDT
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The 1968 amnesty didn't make government stolen property suddenly unstolen, it can still be confiscated by ATF. Imagine if every us soldier registered their M16 in 1968, does that mean they get to keep them? What if they also registered LAAWs, hand grenades, M60s, etc. Down right silly to think they get to keep them. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 12:39:55 PM EDT
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Yep, that too. Imagine if every us soldier registered their M16 in 1968, does that mean they get to keep them? What if they also registered LAAWs, hand grenades, M60s, etc. Down right silly to think they get to keep them. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 12:48:57 PM EDT
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Not to be argumentative; genuinely curious: if not by this method, then how did "US Government Property" marked firearms get into the civilian transferable NFA registry? DEWAT'ing is probably not possible for any current military weapons either as a matter of DoD policy, or maybe even written law. Heck, even ammo brass has to be shredded before being sold as scrap. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 1:44:39 PM EDT
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Not to be argumentative; genuinely curious: if not by this method, then how did "US Government Property" marked firearms get into the civilian transferable NFA registry? |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 2:56:09 PM EDT
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It was stolen and then amnesty registered. If so, the ground off serial number would make more sense, as it would be harder to trace back to the individual / unit. Although it seems like most of the government property marked NFA stuff up for sale lacks that "feature". |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 2:58:27 PM EDT
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A cool story plus the fact that there is a YouTube video about it might be worth a couple extra grand to a buyer. They know which is why they make those videos. The vid is are full of neat historic info but the real reason they make them is for marketing/advertising their items to be sold. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 3:05:56 PM EDT
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I don't know this for sure but one possibility is a weapon so marked was first turned into DEWAT (deactivated war trophy) by cutting the receiver in half and sold for scrap, and later reactivated (reweld) and registered. DEWAT'ing is probably not possible for any current military weapons either as a matter of DoD policy, or maybe even written law. Heck, even ammo brass has to be shredded before being sold as scrap. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 3:23:13 PM EDT
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Some were marked for a contract, then never officially delivered, so remained property of their manufacturers who could retain them, sell them to dealers or PDs.
Some were provided to allies or recovered from enemy forces, reacquired and brought home as war trophies or amnesty-registered. Yes, some were stolen (probably also reported as combat or training losses), and then later amnesty-registered. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 3:47:22 PM EDT
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So you are saying the MG became legally transferrable because of the amnesty, but the thief would still be subject to prosecution? If so, the ground off serial number would make more sense, as it would be harder to trace back to the individual / unit. Although it seems like most of the government property marked NFA stuff up for sale lacks that "feature". |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 6:52:57 AM EDT
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Not to be argumentative; genuinely curious: if not by this method, then how did "US Government Property" marked firearms get into the civilian transferable NFA registry? |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 10:21:24 PM EDT
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The gun in the OP sold for $23,000 + buyer's premium (15% for cash/check, 18% for credit card) = $26,450 cash/check + shipping cost.
WTF? Somebody must have bought the story, or they really, really wanted those rare collectible .22 magazines... ----- About the "Property of U.S. Govt" guns, consider the possibility of rewelds, as mentioned earlier: Tony_k had this to say about them in this thread from 2011: Absent markings [from the person who did the rewelding], the only way you will know is by filing an FOIA ... but from my experience, every time I see a U.S. Property-marked M16, I assume it is a reweld until I see an FOIA or other documentation proving otherwise, because the vast majority of U.S. Property-marked M16s are indeed rewelds. |
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Posted: 4/14/2018 12:00:42 PM EDT
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Very cool story and a great video!
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Posted: 4/14/2018 2:29:59 PM EDT
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My m16 was traded by the dept of energy for a batch of ar15's. I have the forms and foia info to back that up. I am sure this is how a lot of the property marked guns got out in the wild. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to be argumentative; genuinely curious: if not by this method, then how did "US Government Property" marked firearms get into the civilian transferable NFA registry? MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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