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Link Posted: 1/17/2021 3:33:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:


I see 30s go for $8-10. 40s and 45s are available for $15-20.

I bought a stack of worn AK mags for about $5 each a few years back, and so far they've worked fine for me.

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Current market for us is 10x that. Bakelites for some of us here are collectors items. We hunt down ones with specific markings and styles from the different factories.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:58:05 AM EST
Cool thread, thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 3:57:56 PM EST
how are metal surplus ak 47 mags ? easy to get and cost ?

Link Posted: 1/17/2021 4:44:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cviss:
how are metal surplus ak 47 mags ? easy to get and cost ?

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They are easy to get and they start at $4,5 on the forums. Check out this guns.ru thread for pictures and prices in rubles: https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/120/1621599-180.html
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 4:51:24 PM EST
Did some shooting today in -4 °F



Link Posted: 1/17/2021 4:53:01 PM EST
Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff?  I would have thought ITAR would restrict it
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 5:02:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NotIssued:
Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff?  I would have thought ITAR would restrict it
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Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 5:29:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NotIssued:
Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff?  I would have thought ITAR would restrict it
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What @KYgunslinger91 said. Please don't tell Congress
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 6:03:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AS556:



Interesting. If you are interested in current events and politics check out the General section of the site. Input from foreign members is always welcome in my opinion.
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Stay the fark away from the General forum if you want to keep your intelligence.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 6:17:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

What @KYgunslinger91 said. Please don't tell Congress
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Pretty sure plastic and metal gun parts won't be the downfall of America...
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:26:54 PM EST
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OP please log out and log back in!  

Thank you for enlightening us with your part of the world.  

Our MSM is quite useless in that regard with the exception of throwing political figures under the bus.  
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:14:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Currently:
OP please log out and log back in!  

Thank you for enlightening us with your part of the world.  

Our MSM is quite useless in that regard with the exception of throwing political figures under the bus.  
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Thanks for doing that, he seems like the real deal unlike many of the other 2021 and 2020 posters lately.

Link Posted: 1/18/2021 8:43:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Currently:
OP please log out and log back in!  

Thank you for enlightening us with your part of the world.  

Our MSM is quite useless in that regard with the exception of throwing political figures under the bus.  
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Thank you, @Currently
That was very nice of you!
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 8:50:07 AM EST
Here you can see the size comparison of the three initial Fort AR-15 models: 20,5", 16,5" and 12,5".



Check out this good quality video in Russian with the rifles in their stock form:

Link Posted: 1/18/2021 10:23:24 AM EST
OP, have you ever seen the Molot English Markets Catalog? If so, I helped them with the translation and conversion of it. It was a fun project.


Link Posted: 1/18/2021 11:13:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AIWB:



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Wrong. Plenty of good info if you sift through the shitposting.
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 11:31:42 AM EST
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Cool thread OP.

Can you obtain an SVD or Tiger?  What would it cost?

What about a VSS Vintorez (with a "sound moderator" as you described instead of a silencer)?

Do you have a group of gun owners who like to stack crates of Mosins in their basement?
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 11:45:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
OP, have you ever seen the Molot English Markets Catalog? If so, I helped them with the translation and conversion of it. It was a fun project.

https://i.imgur.com/P1tGYFc.jpg
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That's pretty cool. I've not come across it before, probably because I'm not the intended audience.

By the way, Molot were the first company to make Russian AR-15's.

In 2011 they started making VPO-140 (Vepr-15), which is a basic AR with Schmeisser parts and a Molot barrel. They made a few hundred of these.





Link Posted: 1/18/2021 11:49:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2021 4:04:24 PM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Cool thread OP.

Can you obtain an SVD or Tiger?  What would it cost?

What about a VSS Vintorez (with a "sound moderator" as you described instead of a silencer)?

Do you have a group of gun owners who like to stack crates of Mosins in their basement?
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@Kuraki

Actual military SVDs are rare and owners want crazy money for them. I think I saw a guy asking $7k for one on guns.ru.

Tigrs are made by Concern Kalashnikov in Izhevsk. Here are some pictures of different variants with current MSRP.

$755

$911

$1109


Vintorez are available too. In 9x39 as well as 7,62x39 and other calibers.

No company to my knowledge has been brazen enough to make a VSS with a functioning "non-suppressor", so you get a barrel shroud instead.

This one can be had for $1175 with the PSO scope.


There's no culture of buying Mosins by the crate that I'm aware of in Russia. Probably because you guys bought most of them ;)
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 1:29:05 PM EST
This is a cool thread.

Thanks OP!

Link Posted: 1/18/2021 1:42:26 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/18/2021 1:51:24 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/18/2021 2:43:33 PM EST
Welcome! Very interesting and informative information. Thanks.
Cool guns.
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 3:30:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NotIssued:
Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff?  I would have thought ITAR would restrict it
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Just like you guys in the US can get perst lasers

Btw AR stuff can be easily purchased in EU. Finding a shop that ship to Russia should be hard at all
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 3:53:38 PM EST
This thread did not disappoint!

OP, are Bakelite mags available and/or expensive in Moscow?
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 4:08:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2021 4:08:46 PM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By NoEffects6:
This thread did not disappoint!

OP, are Bakelite mags available and/or expensive in Moscow?
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Russian-AR-15s/118-760573/?page=3#i8220920
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 4:26:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:  There's no culture of buying Mosins by the crate that I'm aware of in Russia. Probably because you guys bought most of them ;)
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Folks here turn the shipping container into a coffee table w/ a glass top and LED lighting so you can see the rifles on display.

Sold a Finn capture 91/30 yesterday for $200.  It had been sporterized, the rear sight removed, & tapped for a scope mount.  Do folks collect the different models of Mosin, do folks sporterize them for hunting?  Is there much interest in the German 1898 Mauser action?
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 4:44:18 PM EST
Thanks
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 4:58:31 PM EST
we need more glasnost ...bring in the ak's we will provide the ar's :-)... pistols we will have to glasnost more on also...
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 7:16:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

@Kuraki

Actual military SVDs are rare and owners want crazy money for them. I think I saw a guy asking $7k for one on guns.ru.

Tigrs are made by Concern Kalashnikov in Izhevsk. Here are some pictures of different variants with current MSRP.

$755
https://i.imgur.com/ap4gS5m.jpg
$911
https://i.imgur.com/ruKmzhc.jpg
$1109
https://i.imgur.com/W9HmESC.jpg

Vintorez are available too. In 9x39 as well as 7,62x39 and other calibers.

No company to my knowledge has been brazen enough to make a VSS with a functioning "non-suppressor", so you get a barrel shroud instead.

This one can be had for $1175 with the PSO scope.
https://i.imgur.com/ElYgWJ4.png

There's no culture of buying Mosins by the crate that I'm aware of in Russia. Probably because you guys bought most of them ;)
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Cool.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 4:11:28 AM EST
Get this man an avatar of his russian AR markings. Keep the info coming, thanks
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 7:21:51 AM EST
Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles?

How about Krinkovs? Can you get those?

I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 10:37:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By M4:
Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles?

How about Krinkovs? Can you get those?

I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia.
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He explained that there's a minimum overall length requirement that essentially means 12.5" is the shortest barrel allowed, and that requires the stock being pinned open or otherwise modified not to fire when folded/collapsed.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:59:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

That's pretty cool. I've not come across it before, probably because I'm not the intended audience.

By the way, Molot were the first company to make Russian AR-15's.

In 2011 they started making VPO-140 (Vepr-15), which is a basic AR with Schmeisser parts and a Molot barrel. They made a few hundred of these.

https://i.imgur.com/3KqECih.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R0Bi7JM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QW06McO.jpg

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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
OP, have you ever seen the Molot English Markets Catalog? If so, I helped them with the translation and conversion of it. It was a fun project.

https://i.imgur.com/P1tGYFc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0SnrjKb.jpg?1

That's pretty cool. I've not come across it before, probably because I'm not the intended audience.

By the way, Molot were the first company to make Russian AR-15's.

In 2011 they started making VPO-140 (Vepr-15), which is a basic AR with Schmeisser parts and a Molot barrel. They made a few hundred of these.

https://i.imgur.com/3KqECih.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R0Bi7JM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QW06McO.jpg



Love the roll mark on those
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 6:54:33 PM EST
Greetings from Maine! It's cold here too!

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Link Posted: 1/19/2021 8:08:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By M4:
Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles?

How about Krinkovs? Can you get those?

I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia.
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About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:



Ten'-19 (Тень-19) by a small Moscow firearm repair shop. Stock and muzzle device pinned in place.

No braces, because it's not the pistol/rifle definition that is the issue, since no regular pistols are available to own, but overall and barrel length.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 9:31:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:
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What do you call them?
(I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.)
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 9:40:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
What do you call them?
(I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.)
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:
What do you call them?
(I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.)


It's a corruption of 'Kalashnikov' by Pashto speakers during the Soviet-Afghan War.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 9:47:51 PM EST
Hello from across the pond! Very cool post.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 10:08:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:

https://i.imgur.com/J2kfsu7.jpg

Ten'-19 (-19) by a small Moscow firearm repair shop. Stock and muzzle device pinned in place.

No braces, because it's not the pistol/rifle definition that is the issue, since no regular pistols are available to own, but overall and barrel length.
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
Originally Posted By M4:
Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles?

How about Krinkovs? Can you get those?

I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia.

About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:

https://i.imgur.com/J2kfsu7.jpg

Ten'-19 (-19) by a small Moscow firearm repair shop. Stock and muzzle device pinned in place.

No braces, because it's not the pistol/rifle definition that is the issue, since no regular pistols are available to own, but overall and barrel length.

Interesting, thank you. I'd love to have that gun pictured though. This is as close as I'll probably ever get. The stock (brace) folds. You may be familiar with Robski and AK Operators Union? He ran these PSA guns very hard and they performed extremely well. He's known for hard use testing. In some respects, probably the best all US made AK variants we have. I"d much prefer the one you pictured obviously.


Link Posted: 1/19/2021 10:23:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
What do you call them?
(I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.)
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:
What do you call them?
(I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.)

As far as I know, the term Krinkov has been used for some time but definitely not its official designation. It's an AKS-74U. My gun is 7.62X39 and I believe the actual Russian versions came in 5.45x39. I'm not 100% sure though.

According to TFB they say "Soviet troops usually referred to it as "Kyushka" (the diminutive of the name Ksenia, like calling a Katherine "Katie" or "Kat")"

And this regarding the name "Krinkov"..........

"Another theory has to do with the import market. A certain number of deactivated Krinkov rifles found their way into the United States prior to the Clinton assault weapon ban. One of the popular suppliers was a store called "Krinks" in Naples, Fla. The owner, one Paul Mahoney, bought the deactivated rifles and restored them to working order in semi-auto only, which were called Krink kits.

However, The Firearm Blog also points out what the author believes is the most likely etymology of the word Krinkov, which I tend to agree with, is that "Krinkof" and "Kalakof" are the colloquial names for "Kalashnikov" rifles, since Russian words don't transfer well into either dialect of Pashtu since the accents and consonants are very different. (The author asserts Pashtu lacks the letter "v." Knowing literally nothing about the Pashtu language, I must take his word for it.) Since that's what they call it and that's what US advisers heard them call it, the nickname followed with them."

So yeah, "Krinkov" was either created in America or the name was adopted from our time advising Afghani's when the Russians were there.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 10:53:28 PM EST
Nice thread awesome info and great AKM! Very cool you guys build ARs 12.5” without extra papers is nice! I wish we could get some of those $1109 SVD copies also!
Link Posted: 1/20/2021 11:21:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By M4:

Interesting, thank you. I'd love to have that gun pictured though. This is as close as I'll probably ever get. The stock (brace) folds. You may be familiar with Robski and AK Operators Union? He ran these PSA guns very hard and they performed extremely well. He's known for hard use testing. In some respects, probably the best all US made AK variants we have. I"d much prefer the one you pictured obviously.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/75/DF13860E-84A9-4323-805F-F1E686AFBB3B-1106238.jpg
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That's a sweet looking AK!

Replying to an earlier question by @KitBuilder, I would just say AKSU if I saw an AK of that type. They're rare on the civilian market, so there aren't really common slang terms for them that I know of among the shooters I hang out with.

There certainly is a Russian term for an AR, and that is "arka". Read with an emphasis on the first syllable (like "archive"). Nothing really to it, just "AR" with a feminine "-ka" suffix. But now you get to be fancy with it, Clockwork Orange style
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 2:08:18 PM EST
Suka was the term the Uzbek cats I worked with called the AKs-74U.
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Suka was the term the Uzbek cats I worked with called the AKs-74U.
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Cyka?
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 2:55:15 PM EST
"bitch" or "little bitch" or something.  I remember Kokalis doing an article on this subject at one point in time.
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 2:59:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
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That's supposedly a common nickname for them.

If you search Google, several results credit Pauly Mahoney of Naples, FL with coining Krinks or Krinkov in the US. (Krinks was the name of his company), as @M4 references above.
Now we just need a new member fluent in Pashtu and we can get to the bottom of this.
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 4:34:13 PM EST
Cool thread, subscribed as well. Thanks OP.
Link Posted: 1/27/2021 10:23:22 AM EST
Last November Fort announced an AR-15 in 5,45x39.

Fort AR-15-05 is the model name. Barrel length is 350mm, and the profile is apparently lighter than on the .223 rifles.




A Russian competitive shooter and coach Alexander Raskin recently bought one. Here's his IG: https://www.instagram.com/alexanderraskin/

There are no purpose-made 5,45 AR mags currently that we can easily access in Russia. PufGun might start making them, but I've not seen announcements yet. Regular AR-15 mags only feed 10-20 rounds reliably. Raskin said he had some ideas on how to get working 45-rounders.

Here's a couple pictures of his stock 5,45 Fort AR with a Maine Coon cat for scale. The carbine weighs 2,9 kg.

Link Posted: 1/27/2021 11:38:51 AM EST
They should reach out to these guys:  https://rossdefensesystems.com/products/unimag
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