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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:33:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see 30s go for $8-10. 40s and 45s are available for $15-20. I bought a stack of worn AK mags for about $5 each a few years back, and so far they've worked fine for me. https://i.imgur.com/nEFJcgo.jpg Current market for us is 10x that. Bakelites for some of us here are collectors items. We hunt down ones with specific markings and styles from the different factories. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:58:05 AM EDT
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Cool thread, thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 4:57:56 PM EDT
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how are metal surplus ak 47 mags ? easy to get and cost ?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:44:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how are metal surplus ak 47 mags ? easy to get and cost ? They are easy to get and they start at $4,5 on the forums. Check out this guns.ru thread for pictures and prices in rubles: https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/120/1621599-180.html |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:51:24 PM EDT
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Did some shooting today in -4 °F
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Posted: 1/17/2021 5:53:01 PM EDT
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Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff? I would have thought ITAR would restrict it
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff? I would have thought ITAR would restrict it Where there’s a will there’s a way. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:29:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff? I would have thought ITAR would restrict it What @KYgunslinger91 said. Please don't tell Congress 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 7:03:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. If you are interested in current events and politics check out the General section of the site. Input from foreign members is always welcome in my opinion. Stay the fark away from the General forum if you want to keep your intelligence. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 7:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What @KYgunslinger91 said. Please don't tell Congress Pretty sure plastic and metal gun parts won't be the downfall of America... |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:26:54 PM EDT
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OP please log out and log back in!
Thank you for enlightening us with your part of the world. Our MSM is quite useless in that regard with the exception of throwing political figures under the bus. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP please log out and log back in! Thank you for enlightening us with your part of the world. Our MSM is quite useless in that regard with the exception of throwing political figures under the bus. Thanks for doing that, he seems like the real deal unlike many of the other 2021 and 2020 posters lately. 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:43:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP please log out and log back in! Thank you for enlightening us with your part of the world. Our MSM is quite useless in that regard with the exception of throwing political figures under the bus. Thank you, @Currently That was very nice of you! |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:50:07 AM EDT
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Here you can see the size comparison of the three initial Fort AR-15 models: 20,5", 16,5" and 12,5".
 Check out this good quality video in Russian with the rifles in their stock form:  ???? ?? 15 02 |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:23:24 AM EDT
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OP, have you ever seen the Molot English Markets Catalog? If so, I helped them with the translation and conversion of it. It was a fun project.
 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stay the fark away from the General forum if you want to keep your intelligence. Wrong. Plenty of good info if you sift through the shitposting. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:31:42 PM EDT
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Cool thread OP.
Can you obtain an SVD or Tiger? What would it cost? What about a VSS Vintorez (with a "sound moderator" as you described instead of a silencer)? Do you have a group of gun owners who like to stack crates of Mosins in their basement? 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, have you ever seen the Molot English Markets Catalog? If so, I helped them with the translation and conversion of it. It was a fun project. https://i.imgur.com/P1tGYFc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0SnrjKb.jpg?1 That's pretty cool. I've not come across it before, probably because I'm not the intended audience. By the way, Molot were the first company to make Russian AR-15's. In 2011 they started making VPO-140 (Vepr-15), which is a basic AR with Schmeisser parts and a Molot barrel. They made a few hundred of these.    |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool thread OP. Can you obtain an SVD or Tiger? What would it cost? What about a VSS Vintorez (with a "sound moderator" as you described instead of a silencer)? Do you have a group of gun owners who like to stack crates of Mosins in their basement? @Kuraki Actual military SVDs are rare and owners want crazy money for them. I think I saw a guy asking $7k for one on guns.ru. Tigrs are made by Concern Kalashnikov in Izhevsk. Here are some pictures of different variants with current MSRP. $755  $911  $1109  Vintorez are available too. In 9x39 as well as 7,62x39 and other calibers. No company to my knowledge has been brazen enough to make a VSS with a functioning "non-suppressor", so you get a barrel shroud instead. This one can be had for $1175 with the PSO scope.  There's no culture of buying Mosins by the crate that I'm aware of in Russia. Probably because you guys bought most of them ;) |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:29:05 PM EDT
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This is a cool thread.
Thanks OP! 
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:42:26 PM EDT
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*wrong button*
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:51:24 PM EDT
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*wrong button*
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Posted: 1/18/2021 3:43:33 PM EDT
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Welcome! Very interesting and informative information. Thanks.
Cool guns. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dumb question, how are you getting Magpul and Midwest Industry stuff? I would have thought ITAR would restrict it Just like you guys in the US can get perst lasers Btw AR stuff can be easily purchased in EU. Finding a shop that ship to Russia should be hard at all |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:53:38 PM EDT
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This thread did not disappoint!
OP, are Bakelite mags available and/or expensive in Moscow? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:08:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread did not disappoint! OP, are Bakelite mags available and/or expensive in Moscow? https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Russian-AR-15s/118-760573/?page=3#i8220920 |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no culture of buying Mosins by the crate that I'm aware of in Russia. Probably because you guys bought most of them ;) Folks here turn the shipping container into a coffee table w/ a glass top and LED lighting so you can see the rifles on display. Sold a Finn capture 91/30 yesterday for $200. It had been sporterized, the rear sight removed, & tapped for a scope mount. Do folks collect the different models of Mosin, do folks sporterize them for hunting? Is there much interest in the German 1898 Mauser action? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:44:18 PM EDT
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Thanks
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:58:31 PM EDT
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we need more glasnost ...bring in the ak's we will provide the ar's :-)... pistols we will have to glasnost more on also...
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Kuraki Actual military SVDs are rare and owners want crazy money for them. I think I saw a guy asking $7k for one on guns.ru. Tigrs are made by Concern Kalashnikov in Izhevsk. Here are some pictures of different variants with current MSRP. $755 https://i.imgur.com/ap4gS5m.jpg $911 https://i.imgur.com/ruKmzhc.jpg $1109 https://i.imgur.com/W9HmESC.jpg Vintorez are available too. In 9x39 as well as 7,62x39 and other calibers. No company to my knowledge has been brazen enough to make a VSS with a functioning "non-suppressor", so you get a barrel shroud instead. This one can be had for $1175 with the PSO scope. https://i.imgur.com/ElYgWJ4.png There's no culture of buying Mosins by the crate that I'm aware of in Russia. Probably because you guys bought most of them ;) |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:11:28 AM EDT
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Get this man an avatar of his russian AR markings. Keep the info coming, thanks
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:21:51 AM EDT
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Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles?
How about Krinkovs? Can you get those? I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:37:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles? How about Krinkovs? Can you get those? I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:59:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty cool. I've not come across it before, probably because I'm not the intended audience. By the way, Molot were the first company to make Russian AR-15's. In 2011 they started making VPO-140 (Vepr-15), which is a basic AR with Schmeisser parts and a Molot barrel. They made a few hundred of these. https://i.imgur.com/3KqECih.jpg https://i.imgur.com/R0Bi7JM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QW06McO.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, have you ever seen the Molot English Markets Catalog? If so, I helped them with the translation and conversion of it. It was a fun project. https://i.imgur.com/P1tGYFc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0SnrjKb.jpg?1 That's pretty cool. I've not come across it before, probably because I'm not the intended audience. By the way, Molot were the first company to make Russian AR-15's. In 2011 they started making VPO-140 (Vepr-15), which is a basic AR with Schmeisser parts and a Molot barrel. They made a few hundred of these. https://i.imgur.com/3KqECih.jpg https://i.imgur.com/R0Bi7JM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QW06McO.jpg Love the roll mark on those |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:54:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2021 9:08:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles? How about Krinkovs? Can you get those? I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia. About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this:  Ten'-19 (????-19) by a small Moscow firearm repair shop. Stock and muzzle device pinned in place. No braces, because it's not the pistol/rifle definition that is the issue, since no regular pistols are available to own, but overall and barrel length. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:31:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this: (I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.) |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you call them? (I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this: (I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.) It's a corruption of 'Kalashnikov' by Pashto speakers during the Soviet-Afghan War. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:47:51 PM EDT
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Hello from across the pond! Very cool post.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this: https://i.imgur.com/J2kfsu7.jpg Ten'-19 (-19) by a small Moscow firearm repair shop. Stock and muzzle device pinned in place. No braces, because it's not the pistol/rifle definition that is the issue, since no regular pistols are available to own, but overall and barrel length. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Op, maybe this was mentioned but what are the shortest allowable barrels on rifles? How about Krinkovs? Can you get those? I'm going to guess pistol braces aren't a thing in Russia. About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this: https://i.imgur.com/J2kfsu7.jpg Ten'-19 (-19) by a small Moscow firearm repair shop. Stock and muzzle device pinned in place. No braces, because it's not the pistol/rifle definition that is the issue, since no regular pistols are available to own, but overall and barrel length. Interesting, thank you. I'd love to have that gun pictured though. This is as close as I'll probably ever get. The stock (brace) folds. You may be familiar with Robski and AK Operators Union? He ran these PSA guns very hard and they performed extremely well. He's known for hard use testing. In some respects, probably the best all US made AK variants we have. I"d much prefer the one you pictured obviously.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:23:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you call them? (I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: About the only type of what you would call a Krinkov we can have is this: (I've always heard "Krinkov" was made-up by Americans.) As far as I know, the term Krinkov has been used for some time but definitely not its official designation. It's an AKS-74U. My gun is 7.62X39 and I believe the actual Russian versions came in 5.45x39. I'm not 100% sure though. According to TFB they say "Soviet troops usually referred to it as "Kyushka" (the diminutive of the name Ksenia, like calling a Katherine "Katie" or "Kat")" And this regarding the name "Krinkov".......... "Another theory has to do with the import market. A certain number of deactivated Krinkov rifles found their way into the United States prior to the Clinton assault weapon ban. One of the popular suppliers was a store called "Krinks" in Naples, Fla. The owner, one Paul Mahoney, bought the deactivated rifles and restored them to working order in semi-auto only, which were called Krink kits. However, The Firearm Blog also points out what the author believes is the most likely etymology of the word Krinkov, which I tend to agree with, is that "Krinkof" and "Kalakof" are the colloquial names for "Kalashnikov" rifles, since Russian words don't transfer well into either dialect of Pashtu since the accents and consonants are very different. (The author asserts Pashtu lacks the letter "v." Knowing literally nothing about the Pashtu language, I must take his word for it.) Since that's what they call it and that's what US advisers heard them call it, the nickname followed with them." So yeah, "Krinkov" was either created in America or the name was adopted from our time advising Afghani's when the Russians were there. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:53:28 PM EDT
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Nice thread awesome info and great AKM! Very cool you guys build ARs 12.5” without extra papers is nice! I wish we could get some of those $1109 SVD copies also!
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Posted: 1/20/2021 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, thank you. I'd love to have that gun pictured though. This is as close as I'll probably ever get. The stock (brace) folds. You may be familiar with Robski and AK Operators Union? He ran these PSA guns very hard and they performed extremely well. He's known for hard use testing. In some respects, probably the best all US made AK variants we have. I"d much prefer the one you pictured obviously. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/75/DF13860E-84A9-4323-805F-F1E686AFBB3B-1106238.jpg That's a sweet looking AK! Replying to an earlier question by @KitBuilder, I would just say AKSU if I saw an AK of that type. They're rare on the civilian market, so there aren't really common slang terms for them that I know of among the shooters I hang out with. There certainly is a Russian term for an AR, and that is "arka". Read with an emphasis on the first syllable (like "archive"). Nothing really to it, just "AR" with a feminine "-ka" suffix. But now you get to be fancy with it, Clockwork Orange style
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:08:18 PM EDT
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Suka was the term the Uzbek cats I worked with called the AKs-74U.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Suka was the term the Uzbek cats I worked with called the AKs-74U. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:55:15 PM EDT
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"bitch" or "little bitch" or something. I remember Kokalis doing an article on this subject at one point in time.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cyka?  Attached FileThat's supposedly a common nickname for them. If you search Google, several results credit Pauly Mahoney of Naples, FL with coining Krinks or Krinkov in the US. (Krinks was the name of his company), as @M4 references above. Now we just need a new member fluent in Pashtu and we can get to the bottom of this. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:34:13 PM EDT
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Cool thread, subscribed as well. Thanks OP.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:23:22 AM EDT
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Last November Fort announced an AR-15 in 5,45x39.
Fort AR-15-05 is the model name. Barrel length is 350mm, and the profile is apparently lighter than on the .223 rifles.  A Russian competitive shooter and coach Alexander Raskin recently bought one. Here's his IG: https://www.instagram.com/alexanderraskin/ There are no purpose-made 5,45 AR mags currently that we can easily access in Russia. PufGun might start making them, but I've not seen announcements yet. Regular AR-15 mags only feed 10-20 rounds reliably. Raskin said he had some ideas on how to get working 45-rounders. Here's a couple pictures of his stock 5,45 Fort AR with a Maine Coon cat for scale. The carbine weighs 2,9 kg.  
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:38:51 PM EDT
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They should reach out to these guys: https://rossdefensesystems.com/products/unimag
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