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Posted: 1/14/2011 10:41:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Aimless]
Link Posted: 1/14/2011 10:49:57 PM EDT
[#1]
Thanks Aimless.  This could possibly be a good thing.  Hope bickering is kept to a minimum.  Might help bring a little life to retro and introduce some new members to this pretty cool site.  Don't forget there is still the retroblackrifle forum also. Now to work on the quality photo thing.
Link Posted: 1/14/2011 10:51:13 PM EDT
[#2]
Link Posted: 1/15/2011 4:38:54 AM EDT
[#3]
How about a tack for this puppy?
Link Posted: 1/15/2011 12:18:21 PM EDT
[#4]
Thanks Aimless good idear.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:27:40 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm a newb so I don't understand the social complexities of asking for item appraisals on this forum. Only reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to figure out how much money I'd have to offer in order to buy one of these items today - basically I'm asking what the"turn loose of it" price for these itmes would be if some collector is hanging on to them.  Sorry if I am in violation of any rules of which I am not aware because I'm a relative outsider. Here's the itmes:

1) A NOS (or excellent condition) A1 profile 20" SAK MP B chrome lined barrel (SACO defense contract replacement barrel for M16A1). Condition like this:





2) What about an A1 profile 20" Colt chrome-line barrel marked "C MP B". Condition same as above:

If I had a bunch of money and wanted either of these items right now, what would one expect to have to pay for the above items 1) and 2)?

thanks-
Thirtycal
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 1:55:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: flatdarkmars] [#6]
I sold a C MP B marked barrel in excellent used condition for $310 shipped on 7/12/2010 through GunBroker.  I think I got top dollar for it and had listed it with that price because I wasn't in a particular hurry to sell it.  By all rights the SAK barrel should be close in price, perhaps slightly less because it's not Colt and there's the kool-aid factor to consider.

ETA:  Of course, original barrels are only getting rarer as time goes on.  But that was only 6 months ago.  I seem to recall seeing other barrels sold around that time in the $250-$275 range, but I haven't been watching barrel prices since then.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 2:04:45 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By flatdarkmars:
I sold a C MP B marked barrel in excellent used condition for $310 shipped on 7/12/2010 through GunBroker.  I think I got top dollar for it and had listed it with that price because I wasn't in a particular hurry to sell it.  By all rights the SAK barrel should be close in price, perhaps slightly less because it's not Colt and there's the kool-aid factor to consider.

ETA:  Of course, original barrels are only getting rarer as time goes on.  But that was only 6 months ago.  I seem to recall seeing other barrels sold around that time in the $250-$275 range, but I haven't been watching barrel prices since then.


Being new to this game and pricing parts recently, I would have to agree. I would say 275 is the tipping point right now for this barrel.

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 2:18:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cdenmark] [#8]
There was one identical listed on the EE for $300 and it didn't move very quick.  Don't know if still there on not.  Would say $300 is top dollar but it would depend on the buyer.  Quick sale would probably be less but they are not the easiest item to find.  Used one broght $185 recently and it sold very quick.  Condition is the key and NOS is about as good as it gets.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 3:37:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Originally Posted By Cdenmark:
There was one identical listed on the EE for $300 and it didn't move very quick.  Don't know if still there on not.  Would say $300 is top dollar but it would depend on the buyer.  Quick sale would probably be less but they are not the easiest item to find.  Used one broght $185 recently and it sold very quick.  Condition is the key and NOS is about as good as it gets.


Must have been this one?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=196255277

This auction included the bolt too, but was used.

-Thirtycal

Link Posted: 1/17/2011 4:02:45 PM EDT
[#10]
If someone is going to buy a barrel for $300 then why not just buy a complete upper for a little more?  I would not pay $250 to $300 for a used barrel, they are not rare or hard to come by.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 4:05:01 PM EDT
[#11]
If you are buying this,I would offer $250 shipped.
Link Posted: 1/17/2011 6:33:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cdenmark] [#12]
If someone is going to buy a barrel for $300 then why not just buy a complete upper for a little more? I would not pay $250 to $300 for a used barrel, they are not rare or hard to come by.

I agree on used reto barrels being over priced, but Sarco sold all their NOS barrels pretty quick at $265 plus shipping mostly right here in retroland.  Also if you buy an upper for $350-400 you pretty much paid $250-300 for the barrel if you include anything for your time and hassle of shipping out the other parts.    Might get a free set of handguards out of the deal.  Granted a used retro $300 dollar upper is considered a deal today. We are talking NOS SAK barrels here or Colt C MP B in same condition and chances of finding a complete NOS retro upper are pretty remote although possible, but I also think the price will then go up a little.  

Thirtycal,  I don't personally mess with gunbroker, I'm talking about the equipment exchange on this forum and I'm with armorer911 offer $250 for the NOS SAK barrel.  I'd rather have the SAK than the Colt anyday.  They usually shoot a lot better, but they don't say Colt.
Link Posted: 1/19/2011 12:03:11 AM EDT
[#13]
Front page bump. Gotta keep this where people can find this.

Doc
Link Posted: 1/19/2011 11:55:45 AM EDT
[#14]
The last upper I sold was a SAK with FA upper attached for something like 280$ shipped ( on RBR ).
I wont be doing that again if barrels alone are worth that much.
Link Posted: 1/19/2011 12:13:39 PM EDT
[#15]

Originally Posted By shrikefan:
How about a tack for this puppy?


Originally Posted By DocMike:
Front page bump. Gotta keep this where people can find this.

Doc


Great minds think alike.

Link Posted: 1/19/2011 12:57:46 PM EDT
[#16]
Jhud he was talking a NOS barrel.  The $280 was a good price,  I was late on that one.
Link Posted: 1/25/2011 12:22:25 AM EDT
[#17]
How much would an A1 stock, pistol grip and handguard set be worth? I'm considering buying an M16A1 kit from APEX when I have the funds for the majority of the parts I need for a carbine build. Obviously I won't need the stock set.
Link Posted: 1/25/2011 12:06:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Hello Aimless & everybody.

I think this is the correct place to discuss the "find" of a rare AR15.

it's about an auction on an Italian site,

http://it.armiusate.it/catalogo/255/Armi-lunghe/id/46459/Armalite-01-223-Remington.html



describing the sale on the commercial market of AR15 SN#124.



This reply is in reference to my thread here:



http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=123&t=524684&page=1



thanks to everybody interested.
Link Posted: 1/26/2011 9:35:07 PM EDT
[#19]
I believe a friend of mine accidentally stumbled across a colt 601 stock at a gun show. He describes it as a mix of green paint and rust color, with no trap door. From his crappy description, I'm guessing 50% of the green paint remains.



How much would such a stock be worth to the 601 collectors on arfcom? I'm going to try and talk him into selling it so he can get what he really wants/needs and so folks here might have a crack at it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2011 4:36:01 AM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
I believe a friend of mine accidentally stumbled across a colt 601 stock at a gun show. He describes it as a mix of green paint and rust color, with no trap door. From his crappy description, I'm guessing 50% of the green paint remains.

How much would such a stock be worth to the 601 collectors on arfcom? I'm going to try and talk him into selling it so he can get what he really wants/needs and so folks here might have a crack at it.


DIBS!!

Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:09:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Freedom_Farmer] [#21]
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
How much would an A1 stock, pistol grip and handguard set be worth? I'm considering buying an M16A1 kit from APEX when I have the funds for the majority of the parts I need for a carbine build. Obviously I won't need the stock set.


I can buy A1 stock, grip and handguards for $45 shipped all day in great condition.  However, I've seen complete sets sell on here for $65.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 6:59:49 PM EDT
[#22]
I posted this question on the AR discussion forum and didn't get much of a response. And the response I did get was very negative towards retro parts, with a lot of "junk that old piece of crap and get an A2" kind of BS.

What I have is an original A1-E butt stock with a original never used (black not grey) buffer tube, action spring and a used generic rifle buffer. The stock is in good condition, and from what I can tell has never been re-painted. The buffer tube and spring were still sealed in the packaging.

The guy I bought it all from is a very knowledgeable feller that runs an Army surplus store. He said he picked up a couple dozen or so of these original A1 buffers and springs, unused still in the pack at an auction. So what is this complete stock worth? I don't know a whole lot about A1 parts, especialy originals.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 7:38:55 PM EDT
[#23]
Assuming that the stock is in good condition (good butt plate, not many scratches, dents, or scuffs), I'd say $60-$65 with the buffer, buffer tube, and spring included.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 8:04:11 PM EDT
[#24]
I'd say it's in pretty good condition, considering what's it's probably been through. No dents, cracks or scratches. just a few small places where the black has rubbed/flaked off, leaving the brown fiber looking stuff showing. Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear.
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 12:32:16 PM EDT
[#25]
What is it worth small rubs no cracks?



Link Posted: 1/30/2011 8:54:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: flatdarkmars] [#26]
Originally Posted By vbfg135:
What is it worth small rubs no cracks?

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo94/1manoperation/DSC00554.jpg

A1 Type D stock; I've seen them as low as $10 and as high as $49.  Points of comparison:

http://www.uscoreplicas.net/M16A1-parts.html (scroll down)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=213548007
http://www.gunnyssurplus.com/m16a1-buttst161.html

Personally I think $20-$30 is about right; maybe $30 since yours looks pretty nice.  I don't think US Collectors Ordnance sells many of them for $49.
Link Posted: 1/30/2011 8:59:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Thanks for the links FDM
Link Posted: 2/3/2011 9:02:12 PM EDT
[#28]
My cousin is having me try and sell his AR. From what I have found out by a little search on the interweb is its an Essential Arms Model J-15 preban with a serial #E.A.039XXX. How much do you think I should list it for??
Link Posted: 2/3/2011 11:28:21 PM EDT
[#29]
What I do not get, I've seen the same style hand guards on GB go from $20 on one auction to $100 on another.
I just want some early retro furniture not a new mortgage

So what is a decent price for Furniture & where the hell can I find it?

Damn! forgot my meds again
Link Posted: 2/3/2011 11:48:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jhud] [#30]
Originally Posted By SXD45ACP:
My cousin is having me try and sell his AR. From what I have found out by a little search on the interweb is its an Essential Arms Model J-15 preban with a serial #E.A.039XXX. How much do you think I should list it for??


prebans are worth more in some states. Find someone who needs it and they might pay more.
Price depends on how it was built

Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
What I do not get, I've seen the same style hand guards on GB go from $20 on one auction to $100 on another.
I just want some early retro furniture not a new mortgage

So what is a decent price for Furniture & where the hell can I find it?

Damn! forgot my meds again


I would say a NOS set is worth 35-40$. Used 15$-$20. THe best bet is to be patient, act like you dont want any and wait till you run across them. It seems when I want something it tends to cost more or not be avaliable.  
Link Posted: 2/4/2011 2:35:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By jhud:
Originally Posted By SXD45ACP:
My cousin is having me try and sell his AR. From what I have found out by a little search on the interweb is its an Essential Arms Model J-15 preban with a serial #E.A.039XXX. How much do you think I should list it for??


prebans are worth more in some states. Find someone who needs it and they might pay more.
Price depends on how it was built

Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
What I do not get, I've seen the same style hand guards on GB go from $20 on one auction to $100 on another.
I just want some early retro furniture not a new mortgage

So what is a decent price for Furniture & where the hell can I find it?

Damn! forgot my meds again


I would say a NOS set is worth 35-40$. Used 15$-$20. THe best bet is to be patient, act like you dont want any and wait till you run across them. It seems when I want something it tends to cost more or not be avaliable.  


There is wisdom in your words my young Jedi, oh wait??!! wrong forum sorry.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 10:18:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Aceecaus] [#32]
My bro-in-law has an original Colt SP1, new in the cardboard box and plastic that his dad left him. He want's to sell it but doesn't know what to ask for it. Anyone here have an idea? It's got all the standard items in the box (cleaning kit, sling, 2 mags). It's never been fired and has very little handling marks. Serial # is SP18472x.  Pics can be added if needed.

Thanks in advance!
Ace.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 11:17:55 PM EDT
[#33]
That is from one of the last couple of years.
I'd pay $1300-1500 for an unfired SP1.
If you go shoot it expect $1000-1100.

We'd like to see pictures.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 11:21:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Aceecaus] [#34]
I'll get them up tomorrow...

Thx.

BTW, you think it's around 1984?  My bro-n-law has the papers somewhere but has to look for them.  One owner gun.
Link Posted: 2/10/2011 12:55:03 AM EDT
[#35]
1982-1984
Link Posted: 2/10/2011 9:34:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Aceecaus] [#36]
Here are the pics of the SP1







Link Posted: 2/11/2011 2:00:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cruciantime] [#37]
Nice looking rifle. Tell your brother(-edit-in law) that to make up for all those horrible things he did to you growing up that giving you this rifle will square things up!
Link Posted: 2/11/2011 4:35:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Unfortunately I don't need it and he wants to sell it.  It's in my possession to sell it for him, so I can play with it all I want until it goes
Link Posted: 2/18/2011 7:45:05 PM EDT
[#39]
How much is a heavily used Colt 4x scope that looks "fuzzy" on the outer edge of the glass worth?
Link Posted: 2/24/2011 6:03:40 PM EDT
[#40]
Have a chance to pick up an original 601 barrel & upper. Barrel & upper are in very nice shape. Upper is original with "R" sight wheel, square pad port door, slip ring. Barrel is original  cast front sight base, barrel markings are C in a square stamped near the breach, and a M1 stamped in front of the FSB. Carbon steel gas tube, duck bill flash suppressor, No handguards. What would something like this go for?
Link Posted: 2/24/2011 7:26:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m1sniper] [#41]
Last one sold with other parts included for $1100,parts included a 601 BCG,and other small odds and ends.
ETA,many of us felt that was on the low side.
Link Posted: 2/24/2011 11:22:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By m1sniper:
Last one sold with other parts included for $1100,parts included a 601 BCG,and other small odds and ends.
ETA,many of us felt that was on the low side.


I assume that was my last 601 acquisition.  I actually had to look up what I paid...I was thinking $1300.  it was actually $1225, including original BCG and charging handle and grenade spring.
I actually felt guilty enough about the price that I sent the seller a 604 barreled upper as a bonus.

I told Lusciousclay in an email that 1-14 barrels seem to bring around $1000 and upper receivers probably between $300-350.  Does that sound about right?
Link Posted: 2/26/2011 9:04:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSMdive] [#43]
Don't have any Pics, but a good shape Colt SP1 sn#151xxx

Any ideas what it is worth??????
Link Posted: 3/2/2011 11:43:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TexSquirrel] [#44]
Originally Posted By OlGunner:
Originally Posted By m1sniper:
Last one sold with other parts included for $1100,parts included a 601 BCG,and other small odds and ends.
ETA,many of us felt that was on the low side.


I assume that was my last 601 acquisition.  I actually had to look up what I paid...I was thinking $1300.  it was actually $1225, including original BCG and charging handle and grenade spring.
I actually felt guilty enough about the price that I sent the seller a 604 barreled upper as a bonus.

I told Lusciousclay in an email that 1-14 barrels seem to bring around $1000 and upper receivers probably between $300-350.  Does that sound about right?


I think your prices are just about right.
I paid $950 for my 601 barrel with original duckbill almost two years ago.
There were others in line right behind me. (I think you might have been one of them)
Most stripped 601 uppers have gone for around $300 the last couple of years.

Link Posted: 3/2/2011 11:48:02 AM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By SSMdive:
Don't have any Pics, but a good shape Colt SP1 sn#151xxx

Any ideas what it is worth??????


If it is in excellent condition $1000-$1200 for a 20", and a couple hundred more if 16" carbine.
Add a couple hundred more if the rear extension hasn't ever been removed.

"Good condition" then $950-1050 for a 20", and $1100 for a 16" carbine.
Link Posted: 3/2/2011 12:13:15 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By TexSquirrel:
Originally Posted By OlGunner:
Originally Posted By m1sniper:
Last one sold with other parts included for $1100,parts included a 601 BCG,and other small odds and ends.
ETA,many of us felt that was on the low side.


I assume that was my last 601 acquisition.  I actually had to look up what I paid...I was thinking $1300.  it was actually $1225, including original BCG and charging handle and grenade spring.
I actually felt guilty enough about the price that I sent the seller a 604 barreled upper as a bonus.

I told Lusciousclay in an email that 1-14 barrels seem to bring around $1000 and upper receivers probably between $300-350.  Does that sound about right?


I think your prices are just about right.
I paid $950 for my 601 barrel with original duckbill almost two years ago.
There were others in line right behind me. (I think you might have been one of them)
Most stripped 601 lowers have gone for around $300 the last couple of years.


Lower receivers or upper receivers?
Link Posted: 3/2/2011 12:21:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TexSquirrel] [#47]

Most stripped 601 lowers have gone for around $300 the last couple of years.

Lower receivers or upper receivers?


Ha, I WISH it were stripper lowers.
I meant uppers.
Link Posted: 3/7/2011 12:03:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M1CARBINE4LIFE] [#48]
I have a Colt? upper I have attached a lot of pics. Any information is appreciated






Alex(sorry for the large pics
Link Posted: 3/7/2011 12:45:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shrikefan] [#49]
Looks like it is possibly a SP1 parts upper. I believe Colt stopped using the square forged upper before they started using the "C MP CHROME BORE" marked barrels. The receiver is a mid-late 60's vintage and the barrel is at least early 70's or later.

As for a value (assuming no BCG), It would probably go quickly at $350. Tack on another $100+ for a BCG (depending on which type) and quick sale.
Link Posted: 3/7/2011 12:50:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Originally Posted By shrikefan:
Looks like it is possibly a SP1 parts upper. I believe Colt stopped using the square forged upper before they started using the "C MP CHROME BORE" marked barrels. The receiver is a mid-late 60's vintage and the barrel is at least early 70's or later.

Good eye on it being an SP1 receiver, but shouldn't the forging on an Sp1 receiver line up with the lower receiver underneath the port door? This one doesn't. The pivot pin hole appears to be large.
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