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Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: https://i.imgur.com/NwbESu8.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/fNxDIbL.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/IRyV8li.jpeg I still don't think that's the rifle LSUJon saw. The pictures you posted show a gen 4 ambi lower and that's just not Dev. Neat gun regardless. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: "Photos arnt supposed to be posted" *posts them anyway*   Anyway to get back on topic still waiting for my upper to get back to me. It's been in my cities processing center for 3 days now  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/123_1_jpeg-3429022.JPG RIP 1000 yard recce.
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Originally Posted By Omega9000: I still don't think that's the rifle LSUJon saw. The pictures you posted show a gen 4 ambi lower and that's just not Dev. Neat gun regardless. It is the rifle that I mentioned was posted before and then taken down per Noveske's request. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: "Photos arnt supposed to be posted" *posts them anyway* Anyway to get back on topic still waiting for my upper to get back to me. It's been in my cities processing center for 3 days now https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/123_1_jpeg-3429022.JPG Is that all?  I completely feel your pain. I have several packages that say “In Transit to Next Facility, Arriving Late”.
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_2550_jpeg-3430226.JPG Ok, I'll bite: what are we looking at? Since the picture is unfortunately pixelated AF. |
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It’s really hard to tell, but I’ve always thought that was a 51T flash hider. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Really wish we would get some more pics of non sim uppers. But I'd be allot happier with pics of sim uppers if they were blobs from the results of AI upscaling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_0738_png-3352939.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_0739_png-3352940.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_0740_jpeg-3352941.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_0741_jpeg-3352942.JPG |
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Originally Posted By officerX: I’m going to build my 3rd 5.56 upper. Maybe I’ll keep this one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/IMG_2312-3444963.jpg *doubt |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: New #1 ❤️ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224859/DSCF09643_JPG-3445992.JPG She’s a beaut, Clark! In all seriousness, the rig feels real handy and light weight despite the ATACR. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: New #1 ❤️ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224859/DSCF09643_JPG-3445992.JPG -builds cool as fuck, unique gun that’s nearly impossible to source parts for -takes aesthetic picture, likely with very nice camera equipment -uses arfcoms shitty, compressed image hosting so I can’t enjoy it in full definition
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Originally Posted By S-1: My guess is Geissele. Originally Posted By S-1: Originally Posted By it7eke2000: I have seen a few times now/a rumor is circulating that something is replacing the Noveske (which replaced the 416)... any ideas as to what? My guess is Geissele. lost to Noveske, 3rd times the charm am I right? |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Nope, it's the KAC SR-16. It's already been confirmed. |
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: KS series? I know the Reptilia stock got an NSN for a version specifically packaged with the KS1-3, wondering if its for the British contract or for ST6 It’s a running meme for the KAC fanboys. I guess I should have said “100% confirmed”. Someone on the internet has had info that the “Noveskes are being replaced” every 5 minutes since they got adopted. Which given how these contracts work is pretty laughable. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: It's a running meme for the KAC fanboys. I guess I should have said "100% confirmed". Someone on the internet has had info that the "Noveskes are being replaced" every 5 minutes since they got adopted. Which given how these contracts work is pretty laughable. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: It’s a running meme for the KAC fanboys. I guess I should have said “100% confirmed”. Someone on the internet has had info that the “Noveskes are being replaced” every 5 minutes since they got adopted. Which given how these contracts work is pretty laughable. Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: KS series? I know the Reptilia stock got an NSN for a version specifically packaged with the KS1-3, wondering if its for the British contract or for ST6 It’s a running meme for the KAC fanboys. I guess I should have said “100% confirmed”. Someone on the internet has had info that the “Noveskes are being replaced” every 5 minutes since they got adopted. Which given how these contracts work is pretty laughable. You got me. I did hear from guys that would know that they are switching "soon". |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: It’s a running meme for the KAC fanboys. I guess I should have said “100% confirmed”. Someone on the internet has had info that the “Noveskes are being replaced” every 5 minutes since they got adopted. Which given how these contracts work is pretty laughable. I was gonna say lol. KAC doesn't really fit the bill and they barely have the capacity either since they have to make 1000 KS-1s for the UK every year. |
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> nswdg spends over a decade w/ a platform, countless deployments, engagements, and infrastructure around keeping it repaired and running > spends 18+ mnths holding a replacement carbine trial with an absurd amount of testing, cost, and time to make the selection > spends absurd money spread out over multiple POs on carbines, additional uppers, parts contracts, training gms, etc > decides just a couple peace years later to replace all of them with something else b/c nothing else important to spend money on (and the SR-16 is cooler steve on internet said) > takes hundreds of perfectly good, fresh carbines with 0 rounds through the barrels and puts them in the dumpster behind the base definitely. 100% |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: > nswdg spends over a decade w/ a platform, countless deployments, engagements, and infrastructure around keeping it repaired and running > spends 18+ mnths holding a replacement carbine trial with an absurd amount of testing, cost, and time to make the selection > spends absurd money spread out over multiple POs on carbines, additional uppers, parts contracts, training gms, etc > decides just a couple peace years later to replace all of them with something else b/c nothing else important to spend money on (and the SR-16 is cooler steve on internet said) > takes hundreds of perfectly good, fresh carbines with 0 rounds through the barrels and puts them in the dumpster behind the base definitely. 100% 100%. I can confirm this. I picked up my Noveske Navy gun at the Dam Neck dumpster….spare parts at the VA Beach Goodwill. |
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Thoroughbred is selling some uppers. Not sure what the upper receiver is but it’s a way for people to get one. https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/1264/ |
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Originally Posted By Hobbstc1: Thoroughbred is selling some uppers. Not sure what the upper receiver is but it’s a way for people to get one. https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/1264/ Just scroll down on that page. 
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Originally Posted By officerX: Just scroll down on that page. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/IMG_2437-3450825.jpg Yeah I saw that I’m just not smart enough to know what that means lol. Also it’s the wrong cerakote. |
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Originally Posted By Hobbstc1: Yeah I saw that I’m just not smart enough to know what that means lol. Also it’s the wrong cerakote. SMOS is Stubborn Mule Outdoor Supply. They were the manufacturer of Noveske parts for a while. They still make an upper that looks just like the gen 3 it just doesn’t have the Noveske label on the left side. |
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Originally Posted By Hobbstc1: Yeah I saw that I’m just not smart enough to know what that means lol. Also it’s the wrong cerakote. I like TB as a clone resource but sometimes it's obvious they're fine with a 95% clone and only the really discerning will be able to tell the difference. In this case it's pretty close if you don't care about HIR cerakote and the logo. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: I like TB as a clone resource but sometimes it's obvious they're fine with a 95% clone and only the really discerning will be able to tell the difference. In this case it's pretty close if you don't care about HIR cerakote and the logo. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Or the barrel Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By medieval_flail: I like TB as a clone resource but sometimes it's obvious they're fine with a 95% clone and only the really discerning will be able to tell the difference. In this case it's pretty close if you don't care about HIR cerakote and the logo. Pretty tall order considering Noveske refuses to sell that at all Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Noveske would be drowning in money if they'd sell factory DEVGRU carbines, or even just the uppers. Mod H barrels need to be a production item as well AFAIK the SMOS contract with Noveske has ended, which is why they have Gen 4. Maybe something exists to replace Dev parts but those mil contracts are more of a production limiter than anything unless they sell overruns. As to why they won't sell the correct ported 10.5 barrel or the Mod H, it's apparent that the clone market isn't big enough for them to care about, even when they sell the barrels through gun merch hypebeast company #83248429 for $600 uncerakoted. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Pretty tall order considering Noveske refuses to sell that at all Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By medieval_flail: I like TB as a clone resource but sometimes it's obvious they're fine with a 95% clone and only the really discerning will be able to tell the difference. In this case it's pretty close if you don't care about HIR cerakote and the logo. Pretty tall order considering Noveske refuses to sell that at all Yeah. I actually think Thoroughbred does a pretty good job for the cloning community in terms of a one-stop shop. Not everything is 100%, but a lot of it is like 99%. Much better than most places. That's exactly it - Noveske is sitting on a gold mine and they won't offer it. What more marketing do you need than "NSW uses it"? They'd sell shit tons of complete clone NSW uppers. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Pretty tall order considering Noveske refuses to sell that at all AFAIK the SMOS contract with Noveske has ended, which is why they have Gen 4. Maybe something exists to replace Dev parts but those mil contracts are more of a production limiter than anything unless they sell overruns. As to why they won't sell the correct ported 10.5 barrel or the Mod H, it's apparent that the clone market isn't big enough for them to care about, even when they sell the barrels through gun merch hypebeast company #83248429 for $600 uncerakoted. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Yeah. I actually think Thoroughbred does a pretty good job for the cloning community in terms of a one-stop shop. Not everything is 100%, but a lot of it is like 99%. Much better than most places. That's exactly it - Noveske is sitting on a gold mine and they won't offer it. What more marketing do you need than "NSW uses it"? They'd sell shit tons of complete clone NSW uppers. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: They sell the barrel profiles and the gas port is easily addressed w/ a BRT gas tube. Which is what I did, but what would be even easier is not using a gas port that is even larger than the one DD infamously used for their Mk18s at all |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: NDA prevents the "DEVGRU uses this!" Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Yeah. I actually think Thoroughbred does a pretty good job for the cloning community in terms of a one-stop shop. Not everything is 100%, but a lot of it is like 99%. Much better than most places. That's exactly it - Noveske is sitting on a gold mine and they won't offer it. What more marketing do you need than "NSW uses it"? They'd sell shit tons of complete clone NSW uppers. Makes sense - I figured it couldn't be that easy. They could just call it a "Navy" upper though - at this point, everyone knows about it. |
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The whole rifle is screwed up from a production standpoint. The lower isn't made anymore because muh Chainsaw, the upper contract is seemingly ended, the actual barrel is unobtanium, and the buffer tube is seemingly not sold anymore. You can make a decent facsimile if you know what you need and the OEMs otherwise. On TB, it's funny they occasionally specify something is "Near Clone" especially for Geissele but will call everything else "Clone" despite things being wrong. They even specify on URGI "Clone" uppers that the gas block is whatever DD or Geissele is available and you can't cancel or return the order based on it lol. |
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Originally Posted By bchance1: Can you give more detail about the BRT gas tube? How much difference can you actually tell from this? Others in here have used them to get it pretty manageable, but I wanted to keep it close to "correct". |
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AAC can? Anything else of interest? |
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