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1/9/2025 9:09:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Classroom prepped for M4 Maintainers class tomorrow.  We'll see what we build.  All parts just about there for any variant of Uncles guns.
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That is fantastic sir!
Game on!
1/10/2025 5:38:38 AM EDT
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Todays build
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
1/10/2025 12:27:01 PM EDT
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Question about charging handles...

Would an M84 Gas Buster with the regular latch be appropriate for a Block I build? Or would they always have the "Combat Latch"?

Is it always a gas buster charging handle in general? Or would even standard charging handles be used/issued?
1/10/2025 12:41:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Question about charging handles...

Would an M84 Gas Buster with the regular latch be appropriate for a Block I build? Or would they always have the "Combat Latch"?

Is it always a gas buster charging handle in general? Or would even standard charging handles be used/issued?
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Gas Buster was a part of block II.
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
1/10/2025 2:14:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

Gas Buster was a part of block II.
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Question about charging handles...

Would an M84 Gas Buster with the regular latch be appropriate for a Block I build? Or would they always have the "Combat Latch"?

Is it always a gas buster charging handle in general? Or would even standard charging handles be used/issued?

Gas Buster was a part of block II.

Ahhh.

So all those early Mk18s and A-frame CQBRs w/ RIS rails - those all would have had just standard factory charging handles?
1/10/2025 2:34:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

Ahhh.

So all those early Mk18s and A-frame CQBRs w/ RIS rails - those all would have had just standard factory charging handles?
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Correct, you get a cookie!
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
1/10/2025 2:35:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

Correct, you get a cookie!
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

Ahhh.

So all those early Mk18s and A-frame CQBRs w/ RIS rails - those all would have had just standard factory charging handles?

Correct, you get a cookie!

1/18/2025 12:39:19 PM EDT
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For a Block 1.5/Phased Replacement - is only the SOCOM barrel profile correct?

Or would government profile 14.5 barrels also be clone correct for that type of build?
1/18/2025 12:54:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
For a Block 1.5/Phased Replacement - is only the SOCOM barrel profile correct?

Or would government profile 14.5 barrels also be clone correct for that type of build?
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Both barrels were used.  SOCOM barrels came out around 2000 and not every gun got the barrels.  Even under Block II Govt barrels were used initially with the except of the DD RIS II FSB.  Most of those had SOCOM bbls.

I still have both on hand to rebuild either way.
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
1/18/2025 12:55:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:

Both barrels were used.  SOCOM barrels came out around 2000 and not every gun got the barrels.  Even under Block II Govt barrels were used initially with the except of the DD RIS II FSB.  Most of those had SOCOM bbls.

I still have both on hand to rebuild either way.
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
For a Block 1.5/Phased Replacement - is only the SOCOM barrel profile correct?

Or would government profile 14.5 barrels also be clone correct for that type of build?

Both barrels were used.  SOCOM barrels came out around 2000 and not every gun got the barrels.  Even under Block II Govt barrels were used initially with the except of the DD RIS II FSB.  Most of those had SOCOM bbls.

I still have both on hand to rebuild either way.

Thanks, CD!
1/24/2025 10:52:17 PM EDT
[#11]
If you guys could help me out with the value of this stuff I’d really appreciate it.

P&S RAS upper, B&H lower and some rail covers with various markings. I haven’t kept up with value and I imagine this stuff has crept up since P&S bit the dust.



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1/25/2025 3:34:49 AM EDT
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P&S isn’t worth as much as KAC and typically I see KAC RAS selling from like $250-300 so I’d say the P&S ones are probably $250 max
1/25/2025 5:38:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
If you guys could help me out with the value of this stuff I’d really appreciate it.
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To some people, the KAC marked items will always draw more money.  To others, its all built to the same specs, so there is no difference.  I own both and find no quality differences.  Looking for pricing is a bit hard, one reason is because the site discourages it.  Another reason is that the rails seem to find their way into the public in batches.  You have a couple hundred that get released from GOV auction and the market becomes dirt cheap.  Once the glut dries up, the prices go up again.  Same thing with any of the military contract rails.  


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1/25/2025 6:18:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Stickman:



To some people, the KAC marked items will always draw more money.  To others, its all built to the same specs, so there is no difference.  I own both and find no quality differences.  Looking for pricing is a bit hard, one reason is because the site discourages it.  Another reason is that the rails seem to find their way into the public in batches.  You have a couple hundred that get released from GOV auction and the market becomes dirt cheap.  Once the glut dries up, the prices go up again.  Same thing with any of the military contract rails.  


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Good to see you again!
"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free"
1/26/2025 4:30:31 PM EDT
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Thanks!!
1/27/2025 2:25:42 PM EDT
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Post sample build on one of my own lowers - markings are from real Colt dies I repurposed sans-trademarks.
1/27/2025 2:56:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FriendlyLocalYugo:
https://i.imgur.com/fy8Koq9.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/5bleFUh.jpeg

Post sample build on one of my own lowers - markings are from real Colt dies I repurposed sans-trademarks.
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What kind of camera does one need to take amazing photos like that?
1/27/2025 3:07:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

What kind of camera does one need to take amazing photos like that?
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Whatever camera Weapon Outfitters has, I was over at their office and brought some stuff for photos. I'm an ape when it comes to photography, don't know a thing.

Made a run of the lowers (semi of course) mostly for friends but will put the extras in EE.
1/30/2025 8:04:23 PM EDT
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1/30/2025 11:43:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FriendlyLocalYugo:
https://i.imgur.com/fy8Koq9.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/5bleFUh.jpeg

Post sample build on one of my own lowers - markings are from real Colt dies I repurposed sans-trademarks.
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Proper.
2/3/2025 6:02:05 PM EDT
[#21]
How much should I expect to reasonably pay for an original SOPMOD Block 1, NOS, Insight AN/PEQ-5 Carbine Visible Laser NSN: 5860-01-439-5409 in the box?
2/8/2025 4:27:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver][Edited] [#22]
Verly early Colt M4A1 production (series started at W300001), Colt upper, BCG, N1 stock and replacement Colt 14.5" SOCOM bbl.  Anniston refinished in 05'.  Handguard is a RAS and not RIS
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
2/8/2025 4:34:52 AM EDT
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Double
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
2/9/2025 8:54:27 PM EDT
[#24]
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Verly early Colt M4A1 production (series started at W300001), Colt upper, BCG, N1 stock and replacement Colt 14.5" SOCOM bbl.  Anniston refinished in 05'.  Handguard is a RAS and not RIS
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Awesome. Thanks CD.
Can't never could 'til try came along.

"All welchers should be removed from the EE".-Aimless

R.I.P. to the EE
2/9/2025 9:49:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Okay so I uh...I have a question.

What optic is this:



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2/9/2025 9:52:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Okay so I uh...I have a question.

What optic is this:



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Vortex UH-1

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2/9/2025 9:54:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Okay so I uh...I have a question.

What optic is this:



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Looks very Holosun DPS-NV /DPS-TH
Can't never could 'til try came along.

"All welchers should be removed from the EE".-Aimless

R.I.P. to the EE
2/9/2025 9:54:35 PM EDT
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Nailed it.
Can't never could 'til try came along.

"All welchers should be removed from the EE".-Aimless

R.I.P. to the EE
2/9/2025 9:55:26 PM EDT
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That was my first thought but I didn't think it was in the system, thought maybe there was something else I never saw before.

So another question.

Is the Army using them for real or did they just post a pic of a rifle with a personally owned optic in an official recruiting ad?
Silly Sammy Slick sipped six sodas and got sick sick sick.
2/9/2025 9:56:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:

Looks very Holosun DPS-NV /DPS-TH
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR:
Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Okay so I uh...I have a question.

What optic is this:



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/116701/1000004100_jpg-3459657.JPG

Looks very Holosun DPS-NV /DPS-TH

Nerp

God will not look you over for medals, diplomas, or degrees – but for scars
2/9/2025 9:56:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


That was my first thought but I didn't think it was in the system, thought maybe there was something else I never saw before.

So another question.

Is the Army using them for real or did they just post a pic of a rifle with a personally owned optic in an official recruiting ad?
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Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


That was my first thought but I didn't think it was in the system, thought maybe there was something else I never saw before.

So another question.

Is the Army using them for real or did they just post a pic of a rifle with a personally owned optic in an official recruiting ad?

Could be a unit purchase/COTS.
God will not look you over for medals, diplomas, or degrees – but for scars
2/9/2025 10:02:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By TGWLDR:
Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:
Okay so I uh...I have a question.

What optic is this:



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/116701/1000004100_jpg-3459657.JPG

Looks very Holosun DPS-NV /DPS-TH

Nerp

https://preview.redd.it/holosun-dps-th-pistol-thermal-fusion-sight-v0-oss5szfl37de1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=01a142841f6acc8c05de5d7f7ee3ff3dc520de8b

Was thinking of this:

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But definitely not it.
Can't never could 'til try came along.

"All welchers should be removed from the EE".-Aimless

R.I.P. to the EE
2/10/2025 4:51:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:

Could be a unit purchase/COTS.
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles:


That was my first thought but I didn't think it was in the system, thought maybe there was something else I never saw before.

So another question.

Is the Army using them for real or did they just post a pic of a rifle with a personally owned optic in an official recruiting ad?

Could be a unit purchase/COTS.

I bet it's a clone rifle provided by the media company for the shoot, not an issued rifle with personal stuff on it.
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What makes the green grass grow?
2/10/2025 11:30:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

I bet it's a clone rifle provided by the media company for the shoot, not an issued rifle with personal stuff on it.
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I doubt some media company is giving out clone rifles w/ rack numbers and  MILES gear.

Occam's razor has me believing it's just a personal purchased optic.
IG @bayou_bengal-rifles
2/10/2025 11:45:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
I doubt some media company is giving out clone rifles w/ rack numbers and  MILES gear.

Occam's razor has me believing it's just a personal purchased optic.
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

I bet it's a clone rifle provided by the media company for the shoot, not an issued rifle with personal stuff on it.
I doubt some media company is giving out clone rifles w/ rack numbers and  MILES gear.

Occam's razor has me believing it's just a personal purchased optic.

I don't know jack about lasers - is that an Army issued laser on the top rail?

It looks like a DBAL? But is that an Army thing now?
2/10/2025 12:02:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

I don't know jack about lasers - is that an Army issued laser on the top rail?

It looks like a DBAL? But is that an Army thing now?
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Yes. DBALs have been used heavily by the Army as the Peq-15A.

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IG @bayou_bengal-rifles
2/10/2025 12:04:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Yes. DBALs have been used heavily by the Army as the Peq-15A.

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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

I don't know jack about lasers - is that an Army issued laser on the top rail?

It looks like a DBAL? But is that an Army thing now?
Yes. DBALs have been used heavily by the Army as the Peq-15A.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_3302_jpeg-3460027.JPG

Ahh interesting. Thanks.
2/10/2025 2:35:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Classroom prepped for M4 Maintainers class tomorrow.  We'll see what we build.  All parts just about there for any variant of Uncles guns.
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what is that large gauge with dial in the corner of table? and the red carrier? you always have the cool pics! wish i could learn what all you know about build stuff.
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2/10/2025 2:53:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AK47_COMMBLOC:

what is that large gauge with dial in the corner of table? and the red carrier? you always have the cool pics! wish i could learn what all you know about build stuff.
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Torque wrench and deadlined carrier that I use in upper for ensuring alignment of gas tube.
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
2/10/2025 7:42:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Yes. DBALs have been used heavily by the Army as the Peq-15A.

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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

I don't know jack about lasers - is that an Army issued laser on the top rail?

It looks like a DBAL? But is that an Army thing now?
Yes. DBALs have been used heavily by the Army as the Peq-15A.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_3302_jpeg-3460027.JPG

I need one of those to correctly clone my Afg M4. I hesitated on one a while back and haven't seen one since.
God will not look you over for medals, diplomas, or degrees – but for scars
2/11/2025 5:25:17 PM EDT
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2/11/2025 10:18:29 PM EDT
[#42]
Two more block 2 set ups. The upper is still for sale and so is the su230

2/12/2025 5:40:21 AM EDT
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Well campaigned M4A1
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
2/12/2025 8:40:05 PM EDT
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Are surplus Elcans a thing at all?

Maybe one day?

Would be cool to grab a "correct" one, even a little scuffed up and used that doesn't cost $3k.
2/12/2025 9:27:57 PM EDT
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Are surplus Elcans a thing at all?

Maybe one day?

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SU230s aren't very hard to find on the second hand market.

2/12/2025 10:57:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Are surplus Elcans a thing at all?

Maybe one day?

Would be cool to grab a "correct" one, even a little scuffed up and used that doesn't cost $3k.
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The SU230 in the pic I posted a little further up is for sale. $1450
2/23/2025 11:47:15 AM EDT
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@Combat_Diver at this state, how is the fit between the upper and lower? Do you remedy if there is significant wiggle/play?
2/23/2025 12:13:24 PM EDT
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Don't have the rifle in my possession (back to individual) but I don't recall any play.  If excess, it may get coded out for a new gun.
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
3/3/2025 3:24:10 AM EDT
[#49]
The Block II prototype project advances, traded my museum grade anodized #40L along with some other rare stuff for a military issued anodized #50M-CV and #40L set, these were unit purchase items circa 2007-2008. Most likely used by the Air Force as there's a few pic of a JTAC using these parts on his M4A1, which happens to be the only confirmed military use of the #50M-CV after the Block II trials. I'd like to build it out as an authentic prototype rifle though with early Phased Replacement parts (SU-237, SU-238, LA-5/A), and I'd like to get my hands on the M203 brackets as well (of which I only know of two sets in private hands), so this probably won't be an exact clone of that specific rifle.







Collector, historian, and enthusiast of A.R.M.S. rails, mounts, and accessories.
3/3/2025 12:17:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy:
The Block II prototype project advances, traded my museum grade anodized #40L along with some other rare stuff for a military issued anodized #50M-CV and #40L set, these were unit purchase items circa 2007-2008. Most likely used by the Air Force as there's a few pic of a JTAC using these parts on his M4A1, which happens to be the only confirmed military use of the #50M-CV after the Block II trials. I'd like to build it out as an authentic prototype rifle though with early Phased Replacement parts (SU-237, SU-238, LA-5/A), and I'd like to get my hands on the M203 brackets as well (of which I only know of two sets in private hands), so this probably won't be an exact clone of that specific rifle.

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Very cool. I’ve seen a few Block II prototype Daniel Defense builds but this’ll be the first A.R.M.S. one I’ve seen.

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