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At the top of page 1 OP lists ‘Aimpoint Comp M/M2 in Wilcox Mount’ as a Block I optic. I have a Comp M2 in a Wilcox mount (the only mount I have for it) on my Mk18 Mod 0. I have seen many pictures of Block I service rifles with Comp M2s, but always in a different mount so I didn’t think the Wilcox mount was clone correct for a Block I rifle. Is it? Are there photos out there I’ve just been missing?
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Originally Posted By Vehemence: At the top of page 1 OP lists ‘Aimpoint Comp M/M2 in Wilcox Mount’ as a Block I optic. I have a Comp M2 in a Wilcox mount (the only mount I have for it) on my Mk18 Mod 0. I have seen many pictures of Block I service rifles with Comp M2s, but always in a different mount so I didn’t think the Wilcox mount was clone correct for a Block I rifle. Is it? Are there photos out there I’ve just been missing? View Quote Mk18 Mod 0 was a Naval program and used the Wilcox mount with the Comp2. In 5th SFGA when we got the Comp2/M68 around 98' it came with the Aimpoint QRP mount as this was a big Army fielding. Of course we used it on our Block I's as no one really liked the Trijicon Reflex (couldn't see the amber triangle in bright light) CD |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Mk18 Mod 0 was a Naval program and used the Wilcox mount with the Comp2. In 5th SFGA when we got the Comp2/M68 around 98' it came with the Aimpoint QRP mount as this was a big Army fielding. Of course we used it on our Block I's as no one really liked the Trijicon Reflex (couldn't see the amber triangle in bright light) CD View Quote From your response I’m gathering you’re confirming the info on page 1 is in error and the Wilcox mount wasn’t used on any Block Is. I suspected as much since I never saw any pics of it in use on anything other than the Mk18 Mod 0s. This (also posted by OP on page 1) had me intrigued though… while the optic itself is a Comp M as opposed to a Comp M2, it pictures the Wilcox mount as part of the SOPMOD Block I M4 accessory kit: Attached File Or was the Wilcox mount part of the Block I program, but only in conjunction with the Comp M and not the Comp M2? Clone shit… always as clear as mud to me. |
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Originally Posted By Vehemence: From your response I’m gathering you’re confirming the info on page 1 is in error and the Wilcox mount wasn’t used on any Block Is. I suspected as much since I never saw any pics of it in use on anything other than the Mk18 Mod 0s. This (also posted by OP on page 1) had me intrigued though… while the optic itself is a Comp M as opposed to a Comp M2, it pictures the Wilcox mount as part of the SOPMOD Block I M4 accessory kit: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/317025/55198ED8-E2B8-4384-8453-FE2765F5FE10_jpe-2395256.JPG Or was the Wilcox mount part of the Block I program, but only in conjunction with the Comp M and not the Comp M2? Clone shit… always as clear as mud to me. View Quote Wilcox mount was used with the Comp M for the Navy. ARSOF didn't purchase any of those as big Army already gave us the M68 as redundant. CD |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Reference photos: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/367008DC-7976-406C-9D89-B8838CA363AA_jpe-2395631.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/71572E5A-2EE5-4280-A481-2B147B434ED8_jpe-2395633.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Reference photos: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/367008DC-7976-406C-9D89-B8838CA363AA_jpe-2395631.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/71572E5A-2EE5-4280-A481-2B147B434ED8_jpe-2395633.JPG View Quote @LsuJon Ah, then using my Comp M2 w/Wilcox mount on my Block I M4A1 is kosher, right? Thanks a million for taking the time to dig up those pictures wherever you found them. I’ve never been able to find any at all. |
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I’ve got a question hopefully you guys could help with, I’ve recently got a complete colt 14.5 socom upper on a cr6920 lower. At the range shooting just about every mag out of the 300 or so rounds I shot all had the same issue, 3 or 4 times out of every mag my bolt would out run the magazine and wouldn’t chamber the next round. I’m running newer pmags and tried different ones I had on hand. Also running a H1 buffer. Never had this issue before with any of my rifles. Planning on running an H2 buffer in it next range trip to see if it helps slow down the bolt to run reliably. Has anyone else had this issue ?
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Originally Posted By Vehemence: @LsuJon Ah, then using my Comp M2 w/Wilcox mount on my Block I M4A1 is kosher, right? Thanks a million for taking the time to dig up those pictures wherever you found them. I've never been able to find any at all. View Quote The top photo is from NSW. Don't remember where the bottom is from. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Yes. As CD stated it was more common in NSW than the army as they had the QRP mounts already w/ their m68s. The top photo is from NSW. Don't remember where the bottom is from. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By Vehemence: @LsuJon Ah, then using my Comp M2 w/Wilcox mount on my Block I M4A1 is kosher, right? Thanks a million for taking the time to dig up those pictures wherever you found them. I've never been able to find any at all. The top photo is from NSW. Don't remember where the bottom is from. Thanks again to both of you guys. The top picture that shows the Comp M2 in Wilcox mount is in a case with a CQBR & another CQBR upper, leading me to wonder if the Comp M2 was part of their kit as opposed to the 14.5” M4A1’s… ? However the second photo clearly shows the Wilcox mount on a 14.5” M4A1, but with what appears to be a Comp M as opposed to a Comp M2. I’m still searching for a pic of an M2 in Wilcox mount on a 14.5” M4A1. Maybe I’m chasing a unicorn? Every time I search for that exact combination, nothing pops up but more Mk18 Mod 0s or CQBRs. Sorry guys, I’ve been shooting and collecting forever, but I am still fairly new to the cloning game. I guess the conundrums are part of the fun, but yeah, as usual, still clear as mud to me. (OCD sucks) |
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Originally Posted By Vehemence: Thanks again to both of you guys. The top picture that shows the Comp M2 in Wilcox mount is in a case with a CQBR & another CQBR upper, leading me to wonder if the Comp M2 was part of their kit as opposed to the 14.5" M4A1's ? However the second photo clearly shows the Wilcox mount on a 14.5" M4A1, but with what appears to be a Comp M as opposed to a Comp M2. I'm still searching for a pic of an M2 in Wilcox mount on a 14.5" M4A1. Maybe I'm chasing a unicorn? Every time I search for that exact combination, nothing pops up but more Mk18 Mod 0s or CQBRs. Sorry guys, I've been shooting and collecting forever, but I am still fairly new to the cloning game. I guess the conundrums are part of the fun, but yeah, as usual, still clear as mud to me. (OCD sucks) View Quote So it's safe to say that if you find a pic of a 10.3 rifle and it's with a member of socom, they (along with the rest of the unit) have a 14.5 upper that the end user will choose how to set up. So if you see it on a 10.3 it's good on a 14.5. The pictures you are looking for are definitely out there. We have lost allot of pics from the older threads due to photo bucket shutting down and things like. but in the end, I could be wrong and again CD is the go to. Lol |
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Originally Posted By ARshooter1990: I’ve got a question hopefully you guys could help with, I’ve recently got a complete colt 14.5 socom upper on a cr6920 lower. At the range shooting just about every mag out of the 300 or so rounds I shot all had the same issue, 3 or 4 times out of every mag my bolt would out run the magazine and wouldn’t chamber the next round. I’m running newer pmags and tried different ones I had on hand. Also running a H1 buffer. Never had this issue before with any of my rifles. Planning on running an H2 buffer in it next range trip to see if it helps slow down the bolt to run reliably. Has anyone else had this issue ? View Quote Haven’t had the issue but the H2 is specified for the SOCOM barrel and I use it on my 6920 that I put a Colt SOCOM barrel on. Works great. |
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My last Army Reserve unit possessed Colt M4A1 W0013000, but as we were deactivating/“folding the flag”, and in one of our arms rooms out of state, I never got to lay eyes on it.
My current unit possesses no. W0000084 Just wanted to share. Attached File Attached File I’m currently applying for another position elsewhere, but if I’m still here by the time we hold another qual, I will be shooting W0000097 |
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Originally Posted By 11b4v: My last Army Reserve unit possessed Colt M4A1 W0013000, but as we were deactivating/“folding the flag”, and in one of our arms rooms out of state, I never got to lay eyes on it. My current unit possesses no. W0000084 Just wanted to share. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/778/07B9FADD-ED4F-4FF8-A366-42FB23155955_jpe-2412993.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/778/DBA16FB5-AEE2-4D91-958E-CE8897F3BAC8_jpe-2412994.JPG I’m currently applying for another position elsewhere, but if I’m still here by the time we hold another qual, I will be shooting W0000097 View Quote Damn cool. |
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Originally Posted By 11b4v: My last Army Reserve unit possessed Colt M4A1 W0013000, but as we were deactivating/“folding the flag”, and in one of our arms rooms out of state, I never got to lay eyes on it. My current unit possesses no. W0000084 Just wanted to share. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/778/07B9FADD-ED4F-4FF8-A366-42FB23155955_jpe-2412993.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/778/DBA16FB5-AEE2-4D91-958E-CE8897F3BAC8_jpe-2412994.JPG I’m currently applying for another position elsewhere, but if I’m still here by the time we hold another qual, I will be shooting W0000097 View Quote Recent manufacture SN. M4A1 series production started in 94' with W300xxx. 6 digits not 7. Seems Colt made over a million M4 carbines. FN M4A1s start with a Y prefix and 6 digits. I did post one SN W0004xx belonging to the 82nd (M4 rebuilt into M4A1). Lower was well worn and pistol grip smooth, replacement upper M4A1 as original A2 carrying handle gone (first 1000 reported A2 upper). Colt N1 stock also replaced. CD |
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Made in 1994 first year production of the M4/M4A1. Gun serviced and inspected in Afghanistan fall of 2019.
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Made in 1994 first year production of the M4/M4A1. Gun serviced and inspected in Afghanistan fall of 2019. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8546_JPG-2413598.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8545_JPG-2413599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8544_JPG-2413600.JPG CD View Quote yeppp, og ones are colt gray at one thime that had an a2 carry handle :) |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Recent manufacture SN. M4A1 series production started in 94' with W300xxx. 6 digits not 7. Seems Colt made over a million M4 carbines. FN M4A1s start with a Y prefix and 6 digits. I did post one SN W0004xx belonging to the 82nd (M4 rebuilt into M4A1). Lower was well worn and pistol grip smooth, replacement upper M4A1 as original A2 carrying handle gone (first 1000 reported A2 upper). Colt N1 stock also replaced. CD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By 11b4v: My last Army Reserve unit possessed Colt M4A1 W0013000, but as we were deactivating/“folding the flag”, and in one of our arms rooms out of state, I never got to lay eyes on it. My current unit possesses no. W0000084 Just wanted to share. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/778/07B9FADD-ED4F-4FF8-A366-42FB23155955_jpe-2412993.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/778/DBA16FB5-AEE2-4D91-958E-CE8897F3BAC8_jpe-2412994.JPG I’m currently applying for another position elsewhere, but if I’m still here by the time we hold another qual, I will be shooting W0000097 Recent manufacture SN. M4A1 series production started in 94' with W300xxx. 6 digits not 7. Seems Colt made over a million M4 carbines. FN M4A1s start with a Y prefix and 6 digits. I did post one SN W0004xx belonging to the 82nd (M4 rebuilt into M4A1). Lower was well worn and pistol grip smooth, replacement upper M4A1 as original A2 carrying handle gone (first 1000 reported A2 upper). Colt N1 stock also replaced. CD I was going to say, that looked a bit too nice to be that old. Plus the whole M4A1/Auto markings that were done at the factory. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Made in 1994 first year production of the M4/M4A1. Gun serviced and inspected in Afghanistan fall of 2019. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8546_JPG-2413598.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8545_JPG-2413599.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_8544_JPG-2413600.JPG CD View Quote Nope, it's not like current ones - that one was introduced in about 1983 and it's shiny and the finger stop is completely different from current. So in love with those that I bought a bunch and replaced ALL current A2 |
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Originally Posted By HD2006: This has turned into quite the debate. I’ve built and sold and re-built quite a few Block I’s or MWS type builds over the years. I’m even guilty of labeling everything a Block I at times until I really learned the nuances between the types. Here are three of mine that I’ve built (only own two currently). Out of the three only one in my opinion fits as a Block I. The other two are more MWS, but visually they all look very similar. Unless you are really into cloning you probably wouldn’t pick out the differences. https://i.imgur.com/8HBZho7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kRhRMkd.jpg View Quote @HD2006 I'm a bit confused on what's considered correct for Block I. Page 1 lists the CQD rear sling mount but I noticed 95% of the clone builds on here are running just a standard rear end plate. Did I miss the memo? I swapped my Colt rear end plate for the CQD but now I'm wondering if I dun messed up, A-Aron. Also, I ordered this Surefire M961 light off ebay. I know Page 1 lists the 951/952, but the first graphic literally shows the fat body light with the SW02 push button tail cap. I was going to keep the tethered/pressure pad tail cap and inner tube it to my KAC VFG. Input appreciated! |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: @HD2006 I'm a bit confused on what's considered correct for Block I. Page 1 lists the CQD rear sling mount but I noticed 95% of the clone builds on here are running just a standard rear end plate. Did I miss the memo? I swapped my Colt rear end plate for the CQD but now I'm wondering if I dun messed up, A-Aron. Also, I ordered this Surefire M961 light off ebay. I know Page 1 lists the 951/952, but the first graphic literally shows the fat body light with the SW02 push button tail cap. I was going to keep the tethered/pressure pad tail cap and inner tube it to my KAC VFG. Input appreciated! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52163000816_c3bcfe797e_c.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: CQD is mostly seen on NSW rifles. View Quote Ok, so if you were giving me advice on my build, would you suggest I change anything out so it better fits with one particular group (NSW, etc.)? I feel like most of the pictures I find on the M4 are either regular army, configured with CCO (vs. TA01 NSN), or they're Block 1.5s or IIs, which I'm not interested in building. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: Ok, so if you were giving me advice on my build, would you suggest I change anything out so it better fits with one particular group (NSW, etc.)? I feel like most of the pictures I find on the M4 are either regular army, configured with CCO (vs. TA01 NSN), or they're Block 1.5s or IIs, which I'm not interested in building. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: Originally Posted By LsuJon: CQD is mostly seen on NSW rifles. Ok, so if you were giving me advice on my build, would you suggest I change anything out so it better fits with one particular group (NSW, etc.)? I feel like most of the pictures I find on the M4 are either regular army, configured with CCO (vs. TA01 NSN), or they're Block 1.5s or IIs, which I'm not interested in building. Your build looks really good and to me is a Block I. The problem with Block I builds is that the M4 MWS is visually very similar. The two defining items on yours that to me make it a Block I are the optic and rear sight. The TA01NSN was definitely a SOPMOD item as was the KAC 300M rear sight. An MWS was more commonly seen with a TA31 ACOG vs the TA01NSN and Matech. As to the CQD rear plate, CD has stated multiple times that those were seen more on NSW guns. |
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Originally Posted By HD2006: Your build looks really good and to me is a Block I. The problem with Block I builds is that the M4 MWS is visually very similar. The two defining items on yours that to me make it a Block I are the optic and rear sight. The TA01NSN was definitely a SOPMOD item as was the KAC 300M rear sight. An MWS was more commonly seen with a TA31 ACOG vs the TA01NSN and Matech. As to the CQD rear plate, CD has stated multiple times that those were seen more on NSW guns. View Quote Thank you 🙏🏻. I think I’ll swap the CQD rear sling mount for a standard end plate and call it good. Otherwise not NSW clone-worthy. |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: Thank you . I think I'll swap the CQD rear sling mount for a standard end plate and call it good. Otherwise not NSW clone-worthy. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: Thank you 🙏🏻. I think I’ll swap the CQD rear sling mount for a standard end plate and call it good. Otherwise not NSW clone-worthy. View Quote Agree who and when you want to replicate. Replace the CQD for a standard end and swap buttstock for a Colt N1 95-10' Special Forces As above but waffle stock 00-10' Special Forces Above but keep your stock Special Forces 05-10' Keep CQD for a NSW after 2005' NSW 94-05' as above as they used the same. Based on when parts came out. |
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Sounds like I’ll keep it as-is. Really appreciate it guys!
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: How'd I do? Does this light setup fall within what's acceptable? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52178233201_630eeb8645_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52178480704_2b4266c43f_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52177205257_711fc5535a_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52178480549_e99d42dcb8_c.jpg View Quote 5th SFGA had some of those lights but as handhelds around 04'. CD |
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Originally Posted By HD2006: I don’t get this out much anymore but can’t bring myself to get rid of it either. https://i.imgur.com/11LyIUG.jpg View Quote peak fucking aesthetic..with a K can and a laser it's pretty functional too! |
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Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: How'd I do? Does this light setup fall within what's acceptable? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52178233201_630eeb8645_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52178480704_2b4266c43f_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52177205257_711fc5535a_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52178480549_e99d42dcb8_c.jpg View Quote Like I said early on we were grabbing everything we could. Dec 03' Baghdad Attached File Attached File |
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View Quote Castle nut is backwards |
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Originally Posted By FONTY: Castle nut is backwards View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FONTY: Castle nut is backwards |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By FONTY: Castle nut is backwards It’s a QD buffer tube, duh. |
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Last thing I built a few weeks ago
Spikes upper Psa 2018 Xmas lower B5 stock Anderson stopped kit Used carry handle Spikes lpk minus fcg Franklin armory trigger Attached File Excuse the fur My felines go in the safe and pass out leaning up against my sticks Attached File |
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Originally Posted By kbi: Last thing I built a few weeks ago Spikes upper Psa 2018 Xmas lower B5 stock Anderson stopped kit Used carry handle Spikes lpk minus fcg Franklin armory trigger https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77256/20220708_171247_jpg-2446834.JPG Excuse the fur My felines go in the safe and pass out leaning up against my sticks https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77256/20220708_171322_jpg-2446835.JPG View Quote No worries on the cat hair, but SOPMOD M4? Well, you do have a carry handle… |
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Fur. The next big thing!
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If anyone wants to see some cool early SOPMOD Block 1’s “in action” so to speak check out the movie “12 Strong” on Netflix right now. Great movie about a Special Forces team fighting with the Northern Alliance in October 2001 kicking Al Qaeda ass while carrying M4A1’s with TA01NSN, Peq 2, early Surefire and early Colt collapsible stock and other early equipment. Also some CompM2’s and M203’s. Worth the watch.
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