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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:21:21 PM EDT
Real, fake, oddball, what say you…
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:28:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jwb211]
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:33:48 PM EDT
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Not a factory Colt lower.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:45:29 PM EDT
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The rare Colt Keyhole!
Some leprechaun lost it.  I had one JUST like that, except I got it before they remembered to put the Colt markings on it. 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:56:29 PM EDT
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Not only is that a fake lower, its a bad fake.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:40:11 PM EDT
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Someone needs to send the forger a link to the "weathering" thread, so the NEXT one he does he can weather evenly. Unlike this one, that looks like it was sanded just in a couple spots.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:26:02 AM EDT
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You guys are rough...
If he's trying to pass it off as a real Colt receiver, that's one thing... but if he's not, it's not THAT bad for an 80%. At least he found a retro partial fence 80% to use; those can't be easy to find. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:58:44 AM EDT
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Better than some, worse than others. It looks like it might have been electro etched and not laser engraved. The ones I tried, the markings did not come out crisp and looked sloppy like that one.
It's a clone and has a cool look. There are plenty of incorrect ones that have sold on gunbroker for well over $1000. Shoot it and enjoy it! |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:55:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:53:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gurn-blanston: Better than some, worse than others. It looks like it might have been electro etched and not laser engraved. The ones I tried, the markings did not come out crisp and looked sloppy like that one. It's a clone and has a cool look. There are plenty of incorrect ones that have sold on gunbroker for well over $1000. Shoot it and enjoy it! I was going to say this about the electro etching |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:23:49 AM EDT
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My opinion is, you have what a lot of us in retroland have. A mostly real parts gun with a clone lower. Some of us have a mostly clone parts gun with a clone lower. We all have what we can afford. The lower started out as an 80% then it has been engraved or electro etched like this - https://imgur.com/a/ole4FL5
It is very common. I see them engraved or electro etched every week. I have several myself that are Colt electro etched. Nothing wrong with it as long as you don't try to pass it off as real. Most the retro heads will spot it as a clone right away though. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:36:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By safestosmall: Been reading a while on here, finally registered. I need some help determining the origin (I know, colt) of an M16A1 marked lower. Not US gov property marked, no restricted (ban) markings. Few locals say it must have been an export gun that found its way back. Marked for safe/fire/auto with correct safety. No 3rd pin hole and the floor isn’t machined for the fa sear. Has the remnants of a rack number and proper A1 short butt. It is a 5 million serial. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:52:01 AM EDT
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The 80% partial fence lowers are not easy to find. Either he got lucky and got one from NDS when they did a run, or sent one to Braceman to have it reprofiled or something.
With the exception of one, all my clones are mostly new parts from H&R, Colt, Brownell's, NDS or 80%'s that I made. But those 80%'s I made are not the correct style lower for some of them, unfortunately. For those 80%'s I made myself, I sent them to New Frontier Armory to have them Type-3 hardcoat anodized and it was pretty inexpensive to do and they came back with amazing quality. I did have to do some minor refitting for pins and safety though, as I forgot that the type 3 hard coat anodizing process adds a bit of thickness to it.     
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:12:49 PM EDT
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jtb33 Did you engrave your own? Them look pretty good.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:19:02 PM EDT
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A friend helped me (my first time doing it). Was cool because since they aren't "in commerce", I could legally use the TM's. I used custom serial numbers and made 3 other lowers to gift to my kids with custom serial numbers for them (for when they are older). No one would mistake these for real Colt receivers, but they are good enough for my collecting, and carry an extra "I made that!" cache.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane733: My opinion is, you have what a lot of us in retroland have. A mostly real parts gun with a clone lower. Some of us have a mostly clone parts gun with a clone lower. We all have what we can afford. The lower started out as an 80% then it has been engraved or electro etched like this - https://imgur.com/a/ole4FL5 It is very common. I see them engraved or electro etched every week. I have several myself that are Colt electro etched. Nothing wrong with it as long as you don't try to pass it off as real. Most the retro heads will spot it as a clone right away though.           
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:27:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane733: My opinion is, you have what a lot of us in retroland have. A mostly real parts gun with a clone lower. Some of us have a mostly clone parts gun with a clone lower. We all have what we can afford. The lower started out as an 80% then it has been engraved or electro etched like this - https://imgur.com/a/ole4FL5 It is very common. I see them engraved or electro etched every week. I have several myself that are Colt electro etched. Nothing wrong with it as long as you don't try to pass it off as real. Most the retro heads will spot it as a clone right away though. Did you do your own anodizing, or is that some sort of dye-soak? Either way, it looks really good! |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:23:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shane733]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dex223: Did you do your own anodizing, or is that some sort of dye-soak? Either way, it looks really good! I do anodize my own but the final finish you see is Norrell's Moly Resin. I always anodize them before coating them in resin. Since the anodizing is just an undercoat, I been playing with colors. I have tried black, bronze, and gray. The grays have always been way too dark. I did have one that came out lighter but still no where close to Colt gray.  Bubbler added |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: https://i.imgur.com/Lb7zkwl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/jOSpAIv.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/YPbL2Fk.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/YswBMEq.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/k2cWUUi.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/jqSjxEv.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3JksMwB.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/3Jhgyhe.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/oODSUH5.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/GVqWVPI.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/xuT4rCZ.jpeg Color me impressed. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:31:18 PM EDT
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If you're going to have an easily spotted fake, lean into it:
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:31:57 PM EDT
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^this is the first time ive realized your avatar was not the colt pony lol
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:37:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane733: I do anodize my own but the final finish you see is Norrell's Moly Resin. I always anodize them before coating them in resin. Since the anodizing is just an undercoat, I been playing with colors. I have tried black, bronze, and gray. The grays have always been way too dark. I did have one that came out lighter but still no where close to Colt gray.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZSs0AUx84U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZp5TUtFp2sQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane733: Originally Posted By Dex223: Did you do your own anodizing, or is that some sort of dye-soak? Either way, it looks really good! I do anodize my own but the final finish you see is Norrell's Moly Resin. I always anodize them before coating them in resin. Since the anodizing is just an undercoat, I been playing with colors. I have tried black, bronze, and gray. The grays have always been way too dark. I did have one that came out lighter but still no where close to Colt gray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZSs0AUx84U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZp5TUtFp2sThanks. And, I salute you! I'm not brave enough to try home anodizing yet. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:01:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane733: I do anodize my own but the final finish you see is Norrell's Moly Resin. I always anodize them before coating them in resin. Since the anodizing is just an undercoat, I been playing with colors. I have tried black, bronze, and gray. The grays have always been way too dark. I did have one that came out lighter but still no where close to Colt gray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZSs0AUx84U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZp5TUtFp2sQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane733: Originally Posted By Dex223: Did you do your own anodizing, or is that some sort of dye-soak? Either way, it looks really good! I do anodize my own but the final finish you see is Norrell's Moly Resin. I always anodize them before coating them in resin. Since the anodizing is just an undercoat, I been playing with colors. I have tried black, bronze, and gray. The grays have always been way too dark. I did have one that came out lighter but still no where close to Colt gray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZSs0AUx84U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZp5TUtFp2s@HenryKnoxFineBooks |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:21:51 PM EDT
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Tough crowd, thank you all for the information. I this gun, because I thought it was cool. Thank you for the gentleman in Louisiana putting me in touch with the other gentleman just an hour north of me. It was a pleasure to go and hang out with him, get my gun looked at and look at some of his.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By safestosmall: Tough crowd, thank you all for the information. I this gun, because I thought it was cool. Thank you for the gentleman in Louisiana putting me in touch with the other gentleman just an hour north of me. It was a pleasure to go and hang out with him, get my gun looked at and look at some of his. It is a cool gun. Make no mistake. And should be a lot of fun. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:36:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HenryKnoxFineBooks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: @HenryKnoxFineBooks The lower is a modern Cerro forging that has been re-profiled (which was almost the only thing done well), but forgot to remove the Cerro code as that was not on M16A1 forgings on the lowers. The text and logos are wrong for an M16A1. Some text is OK for a late 1970s / 1980s commercial sale M16A1, but is poorly done, as is the case with etching, the removed metal broadens as it deepens, creating a "fuzzy" look to the text. The anodizing at home is Type II, which won't give the hardness of Type III. Thanks to some experiments done my a site member, the best gray yield may not involve dye at all, but the effect of the nickle acetate at the thickness of 2 mil yields a gray surface which gets darker as the layer increases. This is why when my anodizer went for my first batch of gray, he said he thought it was too light in color, and then went too dark / purple as the sealant step was done. When doing clones, at least make people have to take a serious look to determine it is not the real thing:  Attached File Attached File |
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