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Posted: 7/12/2018 6:29:46 PM EDT
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Hey everyone, im building my first AR15. very minimal amount of knowledge, so please bare with me. Anyways, Id like to build a really baddass gun on a budget, so Im wanting to go cheap (low price) on some parts, so i can go BIG on other parts. Anyways, do yall think this is a good lower to start with. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html Whats a good LPK, should i buy the trigger seperate? What should my next step be? Also, I'd like some FDE somewhere in there, will FDE parts fit with black? Thanks All |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 6:35:27 PM EDT
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I've built a few with very cheap LPKs and "milspec" triggers. All were disappointing at first, but all also cleaned up with a few hundred rounds.
No reason you have to buy a trigger seperate, unless you want to. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 6:51:45 PM EDT
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Thanks for the reply people.
Any ideas for a LPK minus a grip? Id like to get a grip seperate. I saw an anderson LPK that says minus grip and fire control group? Im putting items in my cart as we speak. Im only going to buy some of the less expensive items today. If yall could help me along the way, it would be amazing. So i figure I should go big on just the barrel, optics, and BCG? And go less expensive, but mil-spec on the Lower Receiver, Upper Receiver, Lower Parts Kit, Buffer Tube Assembly, and Upper Parts Kit? Thanks again |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 6:51:46 PM EDT
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What’s your budget for the lower, upper, everything?
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Posted: 7/12/2018 6:57:55 PM EDT
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Not including optics, id like to stay anywhere between $500-$1000. Is this a good budget? Thats why im trying to find good, cheap parts like the lower, so i can get a nice barrel and what not.
Here is a LPK without a grip. https://www.wingtactical.com/firearm-parts/ar-15/lower-receiver-parts/ar-15-lower-receiver-parts-kit/strike-industries-ar-15-lower-parts-kit-no-grip/ Is that good or should i get one cheaper? |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:03:37 PM EDT
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Hey everyone, im building my first AR15. very minimal amount of knowledge, so please bare with me. Anyways, Id like to build a really baddass gun on a budget, so Im wanting to go cheap (low price) on some parts, so i can go BIG on other parts. Anyways, do yall think this is a good lower to start with. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html Whats a good LPK, should i buy the trigger seperate? What should my next step be? Also, I'd like some FDE somewhere in there, will FDE parts fit with black? Thanks All You'll learn a lot building the entire rifle, and you won't be too upset if you lose or damage any part. You can get from them: stripped lower LINK stripped upper LINK (out of stock sadly) full lower parts kit with stock and trigger LINK upper build kit link bolt carrier group LINK charging handle LINK Hopefully that covers everything except a barrel, gas block, gas tube, muzzle device, handguard, sights, magazines, and ammo. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:07:42 PM EDT
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so should i just get a PSA LPK, then buy a grip seperate, and stock seperate. Becuase I would would like an fde grip and stock. Can you also maybe suggest a link to an LPK without grip or stock?
also to save on shipping, can i ship this all as 1 order to my FFL,or do FFLs only except lowers? |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:19:12 PM EDT
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For $1000 you can build a VERY nice AR.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:24:03 PM EDT
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Just installed a cmmg parts kits minus fcg, trigger guard and grip. I have only built 3 lowers but will say I will be using their LPKs from now on.
I would buy a full parts kit unless you want single stage trigger or enhanced fcg. It will cost more piece mealing a mil spec fcg just because of the 5 dollar grip. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:25:58 PM EDT
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PSA has lpk kit with fde stock and grip in stock.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:34:25 PM EDT
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Is this your first AR-15? If so, my advice to first time owners is to just buy a used AR Carbine at a good price. Get an A3 (flattop) upper and any barrel you like and can find.
From there, shoot it and see what you like or don’t like. You can swap parts around buying used parts to figure out your taste. Once you have it figured out, you can either replace the parts on your used gun or build a new one based on your experience. Sure, a new build is fun but there are lots of cheap used guns too and once you invest in your new parts they become used parts that more frugal guys will buy when you decide they don’t fit your taste. Regardless, good luck and hope you get what you want. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:42:58 PM EDT
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"It will cost more piece mealing a mil spec fcg just because of the 5 dollar grip." what do you mean, sorry im a noob. Also the psa kit probably doesnt have as good of a grip and stock as im thinking about getting.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 7:47:17 PM EDT
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Is this your first AR-15? If so, my advice to first time owners is to just buy a used AR Carbine at a good price. Get an A3 (flattop) upper and any barrel you like and can find. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 8:04:14 PM EDT
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If it's just the grip the buy a complete LPK and then whatever grip you want. I've been very fond of the low end Magpul lately.
LPKs without the trigger and hammer are out there, but you don't save much. I don't know, off the top of my head, of a good LPK for you with no grip. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 8:16:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2018 8:16:52 PM EDT
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"It will cost more piece mealing a mil spec fcg just because of the 5 dollar grip." what do you mean, sorry im a noob. Also the psa kit probably doesnt have as good of a grip and stock as im thinking about getting. What furniture are you wanting? What I meant about a complete lpk vs a sans fcg lpk. Is the milspec grip are like 5 bucks. A mil spec fcg are around 30 bucks. A complete kit is around 50- 60 bucks plus all the shipping by piecing together a standard kit. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 9:06:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2018 9:13:25 PM EDT
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xring and Quarterbore, I have played around with a few ARs and have pretty well made up my mind about building one. But i understand your point of view, and maybe you are right. Only time will tell.
KeenEye, Hey, i didnt see that one! Does that look like a good deal? Why do people like mag-pul so much? It does look nice. Can i find a hand rail that matches that fde? Guys, thanks alot for the replys. Im learning alot!!! |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 9:20:40 PM EDT
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Man, what a dilema.
Is there any difference between this: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-lower-magpul-moe-ept-edition-flat-dark-earth-no-magazine-8857.html?utm_source=pepperjam&utm_campaign=affiliate&source=pepperjam&publisherId=43737&clickId=2376230253 and these two items: https://palmettostatearmory.com/str-lower-build-kit-fde.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html Do they have all the same stuff? I feel like its cheeting if i buy the complete lower. But the ultimate goal is to buy good qulity at good prices. Any opinions. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 9:26:10 PM EDT
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Magpul just makes a good product at an affordable price. There is a lot to learn so look through the forums and builds. My tastes are dated and everybody has different likes/dislikes.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 9:41:31 PM EDT
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The complete lower you linked has the entry level Magpul stock (MOE), which is to me is nicer than the no name entry level stocks in their $99 kits. It also has a 7075 buffer tube, which is assumed to be stronger and preferred over the 6061. The lower build kit you linked has the STR stock, which is more expensive. It's individual preference as to whether you would like the STR over the MOE (I do). They don't give any other specs on the STR LBK, so I would assume a 6061 tube.
If you're content with assembling, they also have this LBK: MAGPUL MOE EPT LOWER BUILD KIT - FDE. I would be inclined to purchase the lower at a LGS. By the time you pay the transfer fee the PSA will cost more than an Anderson, at least in my area. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 10:02:32 PM EDT
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I think im going with these just because the STR stock and I like the color, also I get to build it. Will these two items fit together nicely?
https://palmettostatearmory.com/str-lower-build-kit-fde.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html Also, can i find a rail with that same exact fde color? Ive noticed alot of the fde have difernt shades of tan. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 10:41:46 PM EDT
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I think im going with these just because the STR stock and I like the color, also I get to build it. Will these two items fit together nicely? https://palmettostatearmory.com/str-lower-build-kit-fde.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html Also, can i find a rail with that same exact fde color? Ive noticed alot of the fde have difernt shades of tan. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 10:53:27 PM EDT
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ya im still not fully decided, but im at least narrowed down to those 3 items. So moving on from them, whats next?
Oh and thank you |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 11:07:48 PM EDT
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ya im still not fully decided, but im at least narrowed down to those 3 items. So moving on from them, whats next? Oh and thank you |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 11:16:02 PM EDT
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You can buy this PSA Upper and replace the handguard with Magpul if you want a guaranteed color match. You will need tools that you likely don't have to assemble uppers. If there is a complete upper that you like, it's pretty hard to build one cheaper than you buy it already assembled.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 11:31:04 PM EDT
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Well, im really looking at a free floating rail, and someone told me too splurge on the barrel and bcg. So idk, am i getting out of my $1000 price range? This price is not including the optics.
So far Im setting at $210 with the complete lower. BTW thanks xring and Schroderson |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 11:48:33 PM EDT
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Maybe I should buy a complete upper. I dont really want to spend money on specialty tools. Ive got plenty of wrenches and punches and such tho. Are the complete uppers of good quality. Good barrel, good bcg and such. Im feeling pretty noobish right about now.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 11:53:39 PM EDT
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Well, im really looking at a free floating rail, and someone told me too splurge on the barrel and bcg. So idk, am i getting out of my $1000 price range? This price is not including the optics. So far Im setting at $210 with the complete lower. BTW thanks xring and Schroderson |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:21:10 AM EDT
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Well, im really looking at a free floating rail, and someone told me too splurge on the barrel and bcg. So idk, am i getting out of my $1000 price range? This price is not including the optics. So far Im setting at $210 with the complete lower. BTW thanks xring and Schroderson |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:27:01 AM EDT
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Maybe I should buy a complete upper. I dont really want to spend money on specialty tools. Ive got plenty of wrenches and punches and such tho. Are the complete uppers of good quality. Good barrel, good bcg and such. Im feeling pretty noobish right about now. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:34:42 AM EDT
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Splurge on bbl, trigger, glass. I've seen pictures of broken bolts - they're basically a wear item - I've never seen a pic of a broken bolt carrier outside of a kaboom.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 8:24:18 AM EDT
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Welcome brother. I'd snag a bravo blem stripped upper, toolcraft bcg, ballistic advantage barrel, then whatever rail strikes your fancy. Should be able to swing that for 500 bucks or so. Check the site sponsors in the industry section for deals as well as the equipment exchange. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 8:30:02 AM EDT
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You could buy this nice slightly used upper from the EE, add a TC BCG, and attach to the PSA lower. That would leave money for a trigger upgrade and optics.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 9:46:05 AM EDT
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thanks guys, lot to mow over for the next hour. Ill be back.
Im havin a crisis, not sure if i want fde now, because itll be hard to find a grip and stock that matches the rail. Oh well, ill fgure it out. That EE looks like a good deal. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 10:02:15 AM EDT
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I noticed that aero precision is now selling complete lowers with Magpul furniture via their website, something else to evaluate. Their uppers are made with ballistic advantage barrels too.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 11:04:11 AM EDT
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ya i might check out there uppers.
Im about to pull the trigger on a lower, but ive got a question. I was going to go with this: https://palmettostatearmory.com/str-lower-build-kit-fde.html but found these instead (better grip, more subtle FDE, or od green): https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-moe-plus-lpk-fde.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-str-carbine-stock-mil-spec-mag470.html my question is, what other parts do i need for these two items to be a complete lower like the first link. As of now these two items are $20 cheaper than the first link. But then I will have to buy a buffer tube. What other parts do i need beside a buffer tube? Will this kit work, its the only one i could find. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/buffer-tube-parts/buffer-tubes/ar-15-m16-mil-spec-buffer-tube-assembly-prod56055.aspx Thanks |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 11:35:50 AM EDT
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The Brownells kit along with the palmetto kit will have everything you’ll need to assemble the lower.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 11:38:34 AM EDT
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The first palmetto kit you linked is complete, all you’d need aside is a stripped lower.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 11:56:35 AM EDT
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Right im just not crazy about the color on that first link (the really light colored fde) , also ive got a better grip (moe +) with the other two links, which is he main reason. So you think that brownels buffer tube kits that i posted will be good and work with the middle two links i posted to make a complete lower. Sorry for this confusing reply.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:05:45 PM EDT
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Kl i just ordered the brownel and PSA kits!!! Thanks allot brother
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Posted: 7/13/2018 1:00:23 PM EDT
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Kl i just ordered the brownel and PSA kits!!! Thanks allot brother 
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Posted: 7/13/2018 2:42:57 PM EDT
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Ok, so now what im looking at getting:
Toolcraft BCG - https://www.armorally.com/shop/toolcraft_5-56_nato_black_nitride_bolt_carrier_group/ Ballistic Advantage barrel-not sure about what barrel, will need some help ALG rail-i guess im waitng on the barrel before i pick the rail. Anderson Upper reciever-http://www.primaryarms.com/anderson-manufacturing-ar-15-stripped-upper-receiver-ar15-a3-upfor-um How does this list look, also any advice on the barrel would be appreciated. and once again, thanks everyone |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 3:25:53 PM EDT
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Bravo upper
BA barrel Would recommend the bravo instead of Anderson and there’s a nice barrel that won’t break the bank. ALG may still have some blem rails on special via their website. The BA government barrel is a bit more affordable but does not include a gas block, you’ll need a gas tube regardless of which one you choose. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 3:57:37 PM EDT
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that barrel is out of stock unfortunatly, but i am looking for a 16in.
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Posted: 7/13/2018 4:01:29 PM EDT
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that barrel is out of stock unfortunatly, but i am looking for a 16in. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 4:03:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2018 4:35:50 PM EDT
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In your opinion is that a good barrel. Im going cheep on other parts so i can splurge on the barrel if needed. but if i can get the same quality barrel for $100 as a 200-300, i would do that.
also, would like to shoot close or in to MOA if possible, not a big deal if not. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 4:43:14 PM EDT
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In your opinion is that a good barrel. Im going cheep on other parts so i can splurge on the barrel if needed. but if i can get the same quality barrel for $100 as a 200-300, i would do that. also, would like to shoot close or in to MOA if possible, not a big deal if not. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 4:54:46 PM EDT
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theres is an option to get "pinned on", with 3 different "pinned on" options, should i do that? also, i like longer rails 10in-12in, (looking at specific alg rails) can i use those with a carbine? Will i still need a gas tube and block? i dont like the fsb sites. Is a carbine still a good gas length?
20 questions I know, just gets a little more confsuing around the barrel. |
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