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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:19:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the SR25 is able to accept original waffle mags. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:36:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not according to internet searches |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:47:21 PM EDT
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Here's what my search yielded. I'm honestly a little confused but I was under the presumption that the SR-25 is pretty much the industry standard mag and that it was able to accept original Armalite mags.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:10:31 PM EDT
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Early KAC SR-25's shipped with original AR10 waffle mags.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/New_Knights_Pre_Ban_SR_25_20_Round_Waffle_Magazine/123-698696/ http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/armalite8.jpg http://fidelisfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SR-25-7.jpg http://fidelisfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/SR-25-Sporter-PreBan-20214-031b.jpg |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:20:14 PM EDT
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I don’t know much about them, but I bought a few a couple years back...
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really - they will not fit any modern AR10's, including Brownell's, which uses SR25 magazines ETA - the slot must also be modified on the DPMS mag to work in an original AR10 PS The AR10 you have been calling a Portuguese is actually a Sudanese. Its easy to tell the difference without looking at the physical charging handle, the slot and c-handle are wider for the Port seen in the casting as a shoulder under the sight base where the Sudans are the same width. If you look back at the faux carbine upper you will see the shoulder under the sight  Attached File
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:53:15 PM EDT
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Neat. Never buy one but neat
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:57:42 PM EDT
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I would love to find an old ARMALITE waffle mag for my new ARMALITE DEF-10
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Posted: 1/31/2018 8:36:11 PM EDT
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Think I have to have one---neat! Kudos to Brownells.
Because I know I'll be changing things, it would sure be sharp to buy & assemble the parts individually. I wonder if the heat shields on the AR15 handguards will clear the larger barrel. Also sure like to see the lower's markings/roll marks. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:25:05 PM EDT
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My buddy just dropped on a BRN-10B.
Did we get a timeframe for these things yet? |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:47:40 PM EDT
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Dutch AR-10s are what the Germans ALMOST adopted instead of the G3. But only didn't because the Dutch didn't have enough industrial capacity to complete the orders the West Germans needed for fighting the Communist horde. As I understand it, they were probably the best AR-10s ever made. So a Dutch AR-10 clone sounds amazing. Also, I've noticed that some of the trials pictures seem to show AR-10s with the Armalite-style upper. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:12:07 AM EDT
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I just want a set of perforated hand guards , I don’t care if they are 2 piece like the originals or made from a round tube. I’m sure they wouldn’t be to hard to make.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:54:29 AM EDT
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I was watching Chris Bartocci's live stream Q&A last night, and he seemed to be quite confident another front sight base is in work for the Brownells AR-10.
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Posted: 2/1/2018 2:35:57 AM EDT
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The FAL (G-1) beat out the G-3. IIRC, FN's refusal to grant a licence to HK to fully produce the rifles was what lead to adoption of the G-3, although I believe that the BGS continued to use the FAL in some numbers into the 1980s. I'm unfamiliar with their AR-10 trials, but that's certainly interesting. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 5:21:04 AM EDT
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That's the story I heard. The Belgians were still "upset" about WWII. They were happy to sell the new Federal Republic of Germany as many rifles as they wanted, but would not grant licensing rights. I'm unfamiliar with their AR-10 trials, but that's certainly interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The FAL (G-1) beat out the G-3. IIRC, FN's refusal to grant a licence to HK to fully produce the rifles was what lead to adoption of the G-3, although I believe that the BGS continued to use the FAL in some numbers into the 1980s. I'm unfamiliar with their AR-10 trials, but that's certainly interesting. The G-1 was the FAL with a particular configuration specified by Germany (bipod-capable, metal handguards, lower sights, QD muzzle devices, etc.). The G-2 was a SIG 510, but I forget if it was the 510-4 or if it had the 510-1 configuration with the only difference being the cartridge (7.62X51 rather than 7.5X55). The G-3 as used in the trials seems to have had a mix of features unique to the CETME Models B and C and the production G-3 based on a picture I saw, and was made by HK. The G-4 was the AR-10. Supposedly they also got a few of the 7.62X39 variants of the AR-10 at some point. From what I recall, the G-1 won, with the G-3 coming in second. From another thread with pictures, one of the ARs shot looks like a Hollywood Armalite AR-10 based on the upper. That thread also had a pic of a privately owned trials rifle. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 7:41:36 AM EDT
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I am not up on the AR10s, but I have seen some with some early kit guns wood stocks - I think these were replacement wood from a place in Canada where they used to sell kits I think the name was Wilkes? Although not original, I sort of like the look of real wood on the kits guns I've seen with that.
Anyone know if wood was ever used officially or was it an aftermarket thing for replacing beat up stocks? |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 7:54:49 AM EDT
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I am not up on the AR10s, but I have seen some with some early kit guns wood stocks - I think these were replacement wood from a place in Canada where they used to sell kits I think the name was Wilkes? Although not original, I sort of like the look of real wood on the kits guns I've seen with that. Anyone know if wood was ever used officially or was it an aftermarket thing for replacing beat up stocks? The nice wood stocks you see (page 299 Putnams book,"jungle furniture") were made in Canada by Peter Wilke in order to be able to sell complete kits. The beaten up wooden stocks you see were likely made while the Porto AR10 was in Africa. The two stocks have a different profile with the African stock being heavier. |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 12:23:36 PM EDT
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Does anyone here have an extra original Dutch pistol grip? Will an original grip fit a modern lower ? There is a 3D scanning place about an hour from my house and would love to get one of these grips scanned, if need be I can get a scan done and modify the dimensions to fit a modern lower that way these can be printed by anyone , anytime once the digital file out there . If anyone has a grip I can borrow or purchase let me know .
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Posted: 2/1/2018 1:08:45 PM EDT
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Does anyone here have an extra original Dutch pistol grip? Will an original grip fit a modern lower ? There is a 3D scanning place about an hour from my house and would love to get one of these grips scanned, if need be I can get a scan done and modify the dimensions to fit a modern lower that way these can be printed by anyone , anytime once the digital file out there . If anyone has a grip I can borrow or purchase let me know . |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 5:44:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sending an original Dutch grip to Brownells. 
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Posted: 2/1/2018 6:23:34 PM EDT
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 NEW: Brownells BRN-10 .308 Retro Series Rifles |
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Posted: 2/1/2018 7:18:54 PM EDT
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The barrel profile on the A!!!
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Posted: 2/1/2018 7:43:15 PM EDT
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I am warming up to one these. Really well done. I really have to salute Brownells for bringing this to market.
The only improvements I would like to see something closer to original front sight and the shade of brown paint. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 7:54:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I am warming up to one these. Really well done. I really have to salute Brownells for bringing this to market. The only improvements I would like to see something closer to original front sight and the shade of brown paint. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:44:12 AM EDT
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I want the B's barrel profile with the A's furniture! Does anyone know who makes the BCG / does the chrome plating coating for these AR10 rifles?
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:34:00 AM EDT
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I want the B's barrel profile with the A's furniture! ....? I want the skinny barrel and would probably paint the furniture darker anyway . |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:34:46 AM EDT
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@brownells
Are uppers/ receiver sets going to be offered ? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:38:45 AM EDT
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@brownells Are uppers/ receiver sets going to be offered ? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:49:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, just like the AR-15 line, the receiver set (upper w/ rear sight, charging handle, and lower receiver with takedown pins, mag release, bolt catch & selector), barrels, BCGs and muzzle devices will be offered. The receivers will be purchased in a set, as they are not compatible with other platforms. I already plan on getting your lightweight model and having prototype FSB installed and the barrel forward of the FSB reprofiled to .600 like a FAL to reduce some more weight , also going to drop the flash hider as it looks heavy 
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Posted: 2/2/2018 12:19:22 PM EDT
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It's going to be fun to watch all the one-off customs that come out of this rifle.
A Dissy BRN-10 would be sexy.
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Posted: 2/2/2018 12:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's going to be fun to watch all the one-off customs that come out of this rifle. A Dissy BRN-10 would be sexy. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 1:15:12 PM EDT
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@Brownells
1. Any chance of getting the “B” model with “A” brown furniture directly from you guys? 2. Any chance you guys will be making a “correct” FSB? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 1:46:34 PM EDT
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I reckon a carry handle AR10 sbr may be in the future for me.
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's going to be fun to watch all the one-off customs that come out of this rifle. A Dissy BRN-10 would be sexy. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:46:16 PM EDT
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Early KAC SR-25's shipped with original AR10 waffle mags. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/New_Knights_Pre_Ban_SR_25_20_Round_Waffle_Magazine/123-698696/ http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/armalite8.jpg http://fidelisfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SR-25-7.jpg http://fidelisfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/SR-25-Sporter-PreBan-20214-031b.jpg |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:46:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:39:44 PM EDT
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I want to clone this first 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/275279/162CAE37-FC53-4FB9-9B4F-321B6F1A6BEE-439486.JPG |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 11:26:11 PM EDT
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I want to clone this first
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/275279/162CAE37-FC53-4FB9-9B4F-321B6F1A6BEE-439486.JPG |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 5:00:53 AM EDT
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If you guys get bored, here is a link to the Dutch Military museum. As expected, they have a large collection of AR-
https://www.nmm.nl/zoeken-in-de-collectie/?q=AR10&page=1 Some neat ones: 
 
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Posted: 2/3/2018 9:43:48 AM EDT
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If you guys get bored, here is a link to the Dutch Military museum. As expected, they have a large collection of AR- https://www.nmm.nl/zoeken-in-de-collectie/?q=AR10&page=1 |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 10:18:53 AM EDT
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I want to clone this first
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/275279/162CAE37-FC53-4FB9-9B4F-321B6F1A6BEE-439486.JPG Now that is reassurance for your passengers! |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 10:23:19 AM EDT
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Its not factory, but I think I really like the wood look on these early AR10s.
Its likely because my first encounter with them was Wilke's kits from Canada that were outfitted with aftermarket wood. At the time I just liked them and got fixated on wood furniture on these. Would also take a good faux bakelite color too. 
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Posted: 2/3/2018 10:29:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'd go for a Brownell's "B" type barrel with the duckbill/prong FH and correct FSB and furniture as soon as it's available though. |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 11:22:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Its not factory, but I think I really like the wood look on these early AR10s. Its likely because my first encounter with them was Wilke's kits from Canada that were outfitted with aftermarket wood. At the time I just liked them and got fixated on wood furniture on these. Would also take a good faux bakelite color too. http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ar-10_porto_right_side1.jpg 
Later I traded some HK MP5 stuff for an AR10 parts kit. I was told that Peter Wilkie, from Canada, and Jack Martinez, from Bakersfield, were selling these kits back in the day. Over the years, others have told me that Peter Wilkie had these handguards and buttstocks made to mate with his kits because the original ones fell apart. I then put together this AR10. I would love to find the correct furniture for it. 
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Posted: 2/3/2018 11:42:16 AM EDT
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@Brownells Any chance you guys will be making a “correct” FSB? Just think about it. Brownells hooking up with a manufacturer to cast those. Everything being set up, it might just be a couple more steps to make a cast FSB for their 601 and/or their retro barrels. |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:08:47 PM EDT
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Brownells! I love what you have done with your entire retro line.
Beyond the front base, the only major "issue" I have, personally, is the twist rate. 1/10 is fine for heavier bullets largely beyond 165 grain but I have found it VERY lacking for the ammo that most people will want to use in these rifles which is standard 147 to 155 grain ball of various types. My 1/10 guns are great for everything over that....but pretty lousy for light bullets for the most part unless they are boat tailed and my rifle is in a good mood. As a contrast, my roomie's Armalite DEF-10 runs a 1/11.25 twist ( as well as my 1/11 or 1/12 twist on my M1A ) and it handles everything up to and including 168 grain bullets with aplomb. I would seriously consider turning out these rifles to run the ammo they were originally designed for in order that people can run regular ammo in them for a more enjoyable accuracy experience. ....and Dutch pattern pistol grips...that would rock! |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:19:01 PM EDT
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Brownells! I love what you have done with your entire retro line. Beyond the front base, the only major "issue" I have, personally, is the twist rate. 1/10 is fine for heavier bullets largely beyond 165 grain but I have found it VERY lacking for the ammo that most people will want to use in these rifles which is standard 147 to 155 grain ball of various types. My 1/10 guns are great for everything over that....but pretty lousy for light bullets for the most part unless they are boat tailed and my rifle is in a good mood. As a contrast, my roomie's Armalite DEF-10 runs a 1/11.25 twist ( as well as my 1/11 or 1/12 twist on my M1A ) and it handles everything up to and including 168 grain bullets with aplomb. I would seriously consider turning out these rifles to run the ammo they were originally designed for in order that people can run regular ammo in them for a more enjoyable accuracy experience. ....and Dutch pattern pistol grips...that would rock! |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:21:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Its not factory, but I think I really like the wood look on these early AR10s. Its likely because my first encounter with them was Wilke's kits from Canada that were outfitted with aftermarket wood. At the time I just liked them and got fixated on wood furniture on these. Would also take a good faux bakelite color too. http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ar-10_porto_right_side1.jpg |
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Posted: 2/3/2018 12:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be clear, they used AR10 mags that were modified by having the mag catch open up a little. I had an early Knight’s SR-25 that came with a waffle mag, and knew someone who worked there that got me a couple more of the modified mags. |
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