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Posted: 5/30/2023 12:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RobertL: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67156/2FF9BDD8-8CC4-4101-B048-8D5EDF3F89E4-2091779.jpg Whats the story on those lowers with standard pivot pins, never seen that before with those markings |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 3:06:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By @Undaunted : Will you complete with ridiculous optic placement? A guy I worked with overseas on various assignments swore by the “heads up” optic mount, so much so that he had his own upper (A1/fixed carry handle with optic) that he (somehow) took with him from assignment to assignment. He would replace whatever upper was on his issue weapon with his upper. Some questioned his choice. I figured as a former CAG CIF guy, probably knew what he was doing; he was very soft spoken, but I listened to everything he said. As an aside, my first assignment working with this individual was with the KPF (Khowst Protection Force).  |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 5:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Yep, just dumped another $143. I found these, pressure pad, bulb, and reflector are different, but for $72 shipped each, I FO’d hard. Here’s the site: https://shekkingears.com/products/660-replica https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4357_jpeg-2826136.JPG Oh, they make these too, and you can do the 660 or a 6P clone light. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4358_jpeg-2826138.JPG This place legit? I gots to know. |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 1:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John44: This place legit? I gots to know. @John44 We’ll know this week, my shipment is in Shitcago now. I actually have 3 on the way. Here’s a picture one buyer posted on their website with a product review. It showed the differences between their product a real Surefire side by side. One thing to be aware of, apparently they don’t have o-rings. Not a big deal for, I can match them up at work. We’ll see if they started adding them.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 4:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: @John44 We’ll know this week, my shipment is in Shitcago now. I actually have 3 on the way. Here’s a picture one buyer posted on their website with a product review. It showed the differences between their product a real Surefire side by side. One thing to be aware of, apparently they don’t have o-rings. Not a big deal for, I can match them up at work. We’ll see if they started adding them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4518_jpeg-2840023.JPG Thanks |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 7:52:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:21:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stinkypol]
[#7]
So far, so good.
 Attached File Attached File Attached FileBulb and internal collar in bezel.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:39:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stinkypol]
[#8]
Here’s a shot of the beam at 4 feet in a dim room with blue-gray walls.
 Attached FileThe pressure pad. It’s more of the modern style.  Attached FileNo rattles with batteries installed. Lens appears to be glass. Overall fit and finish is pretty nice. No o-rings, so I’m gonna source those at work. Well, one bad pressure pad. Tested it with the other two units. The other pads work on the third, so it’s not the bulb. Customer service Guinea pig, we’ll see what happens. ETA: Also, these are NOT shock bezels. There sticker is pretty cool too  Attached FileETA 2: About an hour after contacting them, they responded and are sending a new pressure switch. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:16:15 PM EDT
[#9]
So what is the barrel length of the BD gun? How long is the flash hider?
This thread is going to cost me money... I need to find an A2 upper now. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:29:07 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKrammes: So what is the barrel length of the BD gun? How long is the flash hider? This thread is going to cost me money... I need to find an A2 upper now. From what I’ve read, 10.5” on the barrel. A2 stripped uppers here. https://thundertactical.com/product/a2-upper |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 2:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: From what I’ve read, 10.5” on the barrel. A2 stripped uppers here. https://thundertactical.com/product/a2-upper Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Originally Posted By JKrammes: So what is the barrel length of the BD gun? How long is the flash hider? This thread is going to cost me money... I need to find an A2 upper now. From what I’ve read, 10.5” on the barrel. A2 stripped uppers here. https://thundertactical.com/product/a2-upper Barrel length isn’t something that can really be replicated because it was made from a cut down A2 rifle. The hand guards were also cut down. The FSB wasn’t exactly at the carbine position so it’s hard to judge what the actual length was. Safe to say that’s it’s somewhere in the 10”-11” range. This is the actual gun in the film. 
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Posted: 6/7/2023 3:06:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stinkypol]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Barrel length isn’t something that can really be replicated because it was made from a cut down A2 rifle. The hand guards were also cut down. The FSB wasn’t exactly at the carbine position so it’s hard to judge what the actual length was. Safe to say that’s it’s somewhere in the 10”-11” range. This is the actual gun in the film. https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/M16A2-Barrel-Conversion.jpg First I’ve seen of that photo. Looks like 10.7356432” |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 4:21:47 PM EDT
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I still don't understand why an extra long flash hider is used when they could just use a short flash hider, longer barrel, and a longer gas tube. Perhaps it has something to do with the logistics of what parts the military had/has available, or the ability to mount a bayonet.
I would prefer 4" more barrel for the additional velocity, and mount the front sight out further for a longer sight radius. Use of a bayonet is pretty rare. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 4:48:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/8/2023 5:42:32 PM EDT
[#15]
No M4 feed ramps.
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Posted: 6/8/2023 6:09:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: No M4 feed ramps. I don’t think they’re really necessary, I used an M4 barrel with an old M16A1 upper and it ran fine. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 6:38:14 PM EDT
[#17]
Surefire M14 mount, meet Hamm’s. Pretty cool, easy going, and always there to help you out in a time of need or when you’re just working on a little project.
Hey, come with Hamm’s and I out to the garage, I’ll introduce you to Mr. Dremel, he’s pretty talented.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 6:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I don't think they're really necessary, I used an M4 barrel with an old M16A1 upper and it ran fine. I would have snagged one if they did, but I'm sitting on a Colt A2 upper with M4 cuts, so I guess I'll just use that. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:27:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stinkypol]
[#19]
Hamm’s helped, so did the Chinesium mount.
I’ll probably sell the M14 mount or do a 723 clone. That’s to decide later. Here’s where I’m at.  Attached FileGonna need to pull off the UID tad. I want to do the trigger guard, but yeah, those ears scare me. ETA: Oh, put the 4x20 on again for fun. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:29:49 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Hamm’s helped, so did the Chinesium mount. I’ll probably sell the M14 mount or do a 723 clone. That’s to decide later. Here’s where I’m at. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4545_jpeg-2844597.JPG Gonna need to pull off the UID tad. I want to do the trigger guard, but yeah, those ears scare me. ETA: Oh, put the 4x20 on again for fun. Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ @Sputnik556 Thanks, forgot all about that tool. I’ll have to pick one up. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:37:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: @Sputnik556 Thanks, forgot all about that tool. I’ll have to pick one up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ @Sputnik556 Thanks, forgot all about that tool. I’ll have to pick one up. You’re welcome.  ETA: I recommend using tape on the receiver to keep from leaving abrasions, the rubber on the tool is incredibly thin and it’s just not enough. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 9:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: @Sputnik556 Thanks, forgot all about that tool. I’ll have to pick one up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ @Sputnik556 Thanks, forgot all about that tool. I’ll have to pick one up. Channel lock plyers work great for this pin, and the bolt release pin. Parallel plyers are even better, but most people have channel locks. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:06:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I don’t think they’re really necessary, I used an M4 barrel with an old M16A1 upper and it ran fine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: No M4 feed ramps. I don’t think they’re really necessary, I used an M4 barrel with an old M16A1 upper and it ran fine. I use a Colt M4 14.5" bbl with an SP1 upper on a FA lower and it works just fine. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 6:16:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HipSh0T]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By stinkypol: Hamm’s helped, so did the Chinesium mount. I’ll probably sell the M14 mount or do a 723 clone. That’s to decide later. Here’s where I’m at. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4545_jpeg-2844597.JPG Gonna need to pull off the UID tad. I want to do the trigger guard, but yeah, those ears scare me. ETA: Oh, put the 4x20 on again for fun. Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ Yep, you don't want to be a member of the grip of shame club. I've never broken off a trigger guard ear, but I used to worry that I might break one before I got the tool. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 6:37:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HipSh0T: Yep, you don't want to be a member of the grip of shame club. I've never broken off a trigger guard ear, but I used to worry that I might break one before I got the tool. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HipSh0T: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By stinkypol: Hamm’s helped, so did the Chinesium mount. I’ll probably sell the M14 mount or do a 723 clone. That’s to decide later. Here’s where I’m at. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4545_jpeg-2844597.JPG Gonna need to pull off the UID tad. I want to do the trigger guard, but yeah, those ears scare me. ETA: Oh, put the 4x20 on again for fun. Using this should ease your mind, worth every cent. https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/delta-series-ar-trigger-guard-installation-tool/ Yep, you don't want to be a member of the grip of shame club. I've never broken off a trigger guard ear, but I used to worry that I might break one before I got the tool. Same, I didn’t even use a roll pin in my SBR because I was afraid of breaking it, I have the tool now but the BCM grip holds their trigger guard so solidly that I never bother to take it off and put one in. Looks a little odd I guess but it’s been like that for five years. 
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Posted: 6/17/2023 6:25:03 PM EDT
[#27]
ShekkinGear came through and delivered, new pressure pad tail cap assembly arrived today and functions flawlessly.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 12:30:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Well here's my start. Colt 6520. Colt M4CQB barrel. Surefire 600. I need to source a Surefire A2 FH so I can mount a Blast Warden or my Mini. Once I source that, off to ADCO to swap barrels.
Also need to modify the mount for the light.  |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 2:10:54 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Well here's my start. Colt 6520. Colt M4CQB barrel. Surefire 600. I need to source a Surefire A2 FH so I can mount a Blast Warden or my Mini. Once I source that, off to ADCO to swap barrels. Also need to modify the mount for the light. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/15341/20230620_112304-2857995.jpg That’s a solid start.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 4:04:34 PM EDT
[#30]
Bump
Bought a 607 moderator in the EE, so, more progress. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 7:42:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stinkypol]
[#31]
Moderator is in.
Next, scope mount, red dot, and paint. Also, need to research the sling setup on the BD carbine. Needs a lock washer.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 9:38:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Moderator is in. Next, scope mount, red dot, and paint. Also, need to research the sling setup on the BD carbine. Needs a lock washer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4651_jpeg-2875103.JPG 
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Posted: 7/8/2023 6:04:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2023 8:15:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/9/2023 8:56:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 55Kingpin: Finally got the rattle can done. What do you think? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25459/3838E4B2-68ED-4324-BAC2-F98E6F625661_jpe-2880243.JPG Nice. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 4:52:44 PM EDT
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Here’s a comparison of the Surefire M16 and M14 mounts.
I circled the relief cuts on the M16 Weaver section and the corresponding areas on the M14 mount. This will give people an idea of the relief cuts needed on an aftermarket mount. M16  Attached FileM14  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 5:20:16 PM EDT
[#37]
Thanks for posting that. Looks like what I got was 2 of the railed halves of the M14.
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Posted: 7/21/2023 10:40:09 PM EDT
[#38]
This is a publicity photo from the movie Black Hawk Down.
I have read that the same company provided the guns for both movies.   That rifle looks a lot like the one in Blood Diamond. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 12:06:44 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sln583: This is a publicity photo from the movie Black Hawk Down. I have read that the same company provided the guns for both movies. https://i.postimg.cc/3wQZKp5t/14809729-77-EC-4743-B2-E2-BE65-D00-FB7-F8.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KY7D4zmx/5-BB5-C827-6216-4167-97-A4-6-BA02-C633827.png That rifle looks a lot like the one in Blood Diamond.  It does. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 10:56:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Wasn’t there a recoil mag article with the prop company that stated it was the same gun in both movies?
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Posted: 7/22/2023 1:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John44: Wasn’t there a recoil mag article with the prop company that stated it was the same gun in both movies? Yes. Cold link for others to reference: https://www.recoilweb.com/the-guns-of-black-hawk-down-142415.html Based on the article, the Gordon carbine is the BDC. The fake OPS Inc suppressor was replaced with a faux 607ish moderator and 660 light added, and new paint scheme(?), that's my take. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 1:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Yes. Cold link for others to reference: https://www.recoilweb.com/the-guns-of-black-hawk-down-142415.html Based on the article, the Gordon carbine is the BDC. The fake OPS Inc suppressor was replaced with a faux 607ish moderator and 660 light added, and new paint scheme(?), that's my take. Yep that’s the one! |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 1:52:40 PM EDT
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Paint, paint, paint, ugh.
Trying to get an idea of the shade of green used and is see this in the movie: Tan, black, green, and red-brown?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 2:31:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: If you see those grab them all. They’re rare as hen’s teeth. Nothing special about them, and there’s certainly better options. I THINK they weren’t sold on their own, just packaged with the Comp Ms back in the day (mid-late 90s). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/AFA6F372-7BFB-4DAC-80CB-1FB30D5B352E-2826685.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/2679F367-43E0-497A-B02E-B1538391BA93-2826686.jpg I have a couple Comp M mounts I’d sell. What are they going for? |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 7:47:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stinkypol: Paint, paint, paint, ugh. Trying to get an idea of the shade of green used and is see this in the movie: Tan, black, green, and red-brown? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4715_jpeg-2894499.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136710/IMG_4714_jpeg-2894501.JPG Testors has many shade variations, scroll and see which colors you like most: https://www.modelshade.com/paint-conversion-chart/testors-modelmaster/ |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 7:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cheeks: I have a couple Comp M mounts I’d sell. What are they going for? No idea. Never saw one for sale. Just people looking for them for BD builds. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 12:49:20 PM EDT
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Just got an email from Charlie 's Customs that they have the Arms 2 mount in stock.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Just got an email from Charlie 's Customs that they Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 8/7/2023 7:53:42 PM EDT
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Would the 3.5” non-slotted moderator from Retro Rifles, dubbed the Gen 1 on their site, be correct for a BHD build?
https://retrorifles.com/moderator-flash-hiders-car-15-xm177e1-xm177e2-colt-commando-1963-1974/ I have a 733 Heat build upper I’ve added the MGW weaver carry handle mount, 30mm Leupold weaver ring, and an Aimpoint PRO to in order to go in more of a BHD direction. I’m just trying to decide if I take off the A2 FH and add a moderator, or leave it with the plain Jane A2 FH. |
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Posted: 8/7/2023 8:23:44 PM EDT
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I believe the movie prop rifle had a moderator that had the slots cut off and was around 4” in length.
I went with a 601 style at 3.5”. Quasi BD clone, a bit of movie and reality mixed together. |
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