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Posted: 1/24/2014 7:41:45 PM EDT
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I'm with Muad on this. I don't have experience with the Hi-Speed, but I have shot several SSA's and the SSA-E. I also have a rifle with a ACT trigger with the JP yellow spring kit. The ACT/JP combo is considerably lighter and smoother than any stock trigger, but it is far less crisp and predictable/repeatable/controllable under stress than an SSA. I also have doubts about the yellow hammer spring's reliability with hard rifle primers. I use that combination only in a 9mm rifle for that reason. I have a hard time believing people shooting stock AR triggers didn't have a "wow that's so much better" reaction after comparing a stock trigger to an SSA. The difference is not subtle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are great to their customers and I am curious as to what is said about it. Due to the timing of it (early 2013), we really didn't have any other options than to refund their money and take a hit or upgrade them and take a hit. I think part of the problem for us was that a lot of new AR owners, who owned pistols with great triggers (worked 1911s, etc.), did research and it appears, at first, that any Geissele trigger will give them that "Wow! What a vast improvement and awesome trigger" experience. The DMR based models, S3G, and SD models do deliver that "WOW!" experience and are well worth the extra money. The SSA and SSA-E, not so much, IMO. Not that they aren't good triggers, but the experience just isn't good enough when compared to a lightly refined standard trigger with JP springs to condone the expense. It may not be what many want to hear, but that is how I see it. I can't help but wonder if the people who love the SSA models have spent much time with the other higher end Geissele triggers. evl.... I have to disagree. I added JP yellows to my Colt trigger, which was a huge improvement (pull went from ~8 pounds to about 5). However, I then got a SSA from Bill and Amy themselves at Camp Perry during a match, and it's a huge improvement over the previous setup. Everyone that I've let shoot my rifle comments on my trigger, and these are not just your "Average Joe's" at the range; rather people with some time on a trigger like my USMC buddies, service rifle shooters, etc. As for the OP. If you are not happy in the least, call Geissele. I'd bet my dinner (homemade chicken noodle soup tonight) they will take care of you. Good luck. p.s. I have used a Hi-speed DMR in the past, and I just picked up said trigger at SHOT. I can't wait to get some range time with it. ETA: grammar I'm with Muad on this. I don't have experience with the Hi-Speed, but I have shot several SSA's and the SSA-E. I also have a rifle with a ACT trigger with the JP yellow spring kit. The ACT/JP combo is considerably lighter and smoother than any stock trigger, but it is far less crisp and predictable/repeatable/controllable under stress than an SSA. I also have doubts about the yellow hammer spring's reliability with hard rifle primers. I use that combination only in a 9mm rifle for that reason. I have a hard time believing people shooting stock AR triggers didn't have a "wow that's so much better" reaction after comparing a stock trigger to an SSA. The difference is not subtle. I never said a standard trigger with yellow springs would be as good as a SSA or SSA-E. Key words in red and blue. When I say "lightly refined" I am not talking about an out of the bag trigger. I have found that most want an improvement or an impressive trigger. *Somewhere in the middle* just doesn't register with them when the price is that high. The same guy that I can sell a SSA to who will take it into the range for a few minutes and expresses disappointment will come back raving about the higher end Geissele if I can get him to upgrade, never mind the extra expense. These people aren't worried about combat stress. evl.... |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 8:26:12 PM EDT
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180 deg for our experience when it comes to returns. Customers who have an issue will get taken care of. No need to contact the reseller. Go directly to our shop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The greatest improvement in Geissele triggers that I have used happens inside of 100 cycles. After that, there is no noticeable improvement. I am a huge fan and advocate of Geissele triggers, but the Super Semi line is less than impressive to me and most of the customers we have sold them to. We took a beating on our first order with returns and discounting those as used triggers. If someone wants one, we tell them to buy it elsewhere. We only carry the DMR based, SD based, and S3G units now, which are absolutely impressive and the finest triggers you can buy, IMO and many others. I'd sooner just run a lightly worked standard trigger and some yellow JP springs if I couldn't run one of the better Geisseles (Hi-Speed/DMR, SD line, S3G....). evl.... 180 deg for our experience when it comes to returns. Customers who have an issue will get taken care of. No need to contact the reseller. Go directly to our shop. We would rather refund them or upgrade them than let them walk out the door unhappy, whether there is a resolution outside of the door or not. I have no doubt that it would have been taken care of, but most people who aren;t as active with these things as we may be are not expecting to send something back after spending that much money on it, so we don't let it go there. It is just that kind of shop. People are always happy with the others, so we stick with what yields a happy customer every time. PM inbound on a semi-related topic evl.... |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 4:24:20 AM EDT
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A big plus to going with the SSA over something using the JP springs is reliability. I've got a JP trigger with the red/yellow combo, and while a very nice single stage trigger, the springs are only good for usually 6-7k rounds. I'll replace it at some point with a G.
As an aside, has anyone else notice problems with the 3G and enhanced version triggers in suppressed SBR/pistols? I've seen a 100% failure rate(5 total guns) with them in those applications; hammer follow, running away, etc. suppressed? fine. Short barrel? fine. Suppressed short barrel? not happening. The SSA and SDC seen to work fine, but the others simply won't run. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 6:46:11 AM EDT
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Arma lite will last as long... Nope. Have you had one fail? |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 8:16:35 AM EDT
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Arma lite will last as long... Nope. Have you had one fail? As I said we had one fail to pop primers with factory spring. I can not speak to longevity but I have seen them on the range fail to pop some harder primers. My brothers was failing to pop primers on commercial ammo when basically new. Why go that route? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:40:32 AM EDT
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Interesting to find this thread. I just received my first two Geissele triggers last night, and installed an SDE into my #1 lower (Mega forged). I have to say I'm pretty disappointed with it also. Maybe its just that everybody on this forum hypes them up so much, but still. I can pull the trigger to the 'wall' of the second stage, and then continue to pull it where the creep is visibly noticeable even by my wife. I can actually stop pulling it during the creep, and push the trigger back to reset it. To me, candy cane or icicle break should be just that. It either has perceptible creep, or it doesn't. And I've heard both ways from customers and Geissele alike. For instance, I don't understand how these two posts can co-exist: Is it a better trigger than the milspec one I took out of that lower last night? Sure. But I can tell you this, I'd be sending it back if I had paid the full $250 for it. Since I got it during that one-day forum sale, I'll have to think about it. I def won't be opening the package on that second SSA-E though. Again, maybe its just that this forum hypes the living crap out of these triggers. But what I can say is, it didn't blow my socks off. And all these claims of "zero creep" and all need to be taking with a grain of salt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting to find this thread. I just received my first two Geissele triggers last night, and installed an SDE into my #1 lower (Mega forged). I have to say I'm pretty disappointed with it also. Maybe its just that everybody on this forum hypes them up so much, but still. I can pull the trigger to the 'wall' of the second stage, and then continue to pull it where the creep is visibly noticeable even by my wife. I can actually stop pulling it during the creep, and push the trigger back to reset it. To me, candy cane or icicle break should be just that. It either has perceptible creep, or it doesn't. And I've heard both ways from customers and Geissele alike. For instance, I don't understand how these two posts can co-exist: Quoted:
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I did contact the shop and was told this: "The SSA-E will have a very small amount of forgiveness right after you hit the wall at the second stage. After that it will break clean like a candy cane. Have you cleaned the sears of the hammer and trigger and applied grease to them yet?" I even dry fired the trigger for about 150 times and no difference. It is no better! Whoever told you that is wrong. Call back to the shop and talk to Joe Plunkett and he will get you a new trigger Quoted:
On any of our non adjustable triggers if one looks at the trigger and pulls the trigger slowly they will see movement of the trigger after the first stage and while the 2nd stage sear is disengaging. Is it a better trigger than the milspec one I took out of that lower last night? Sure. But I can tell you this, I'd be sending it back if I had paid the full $250 for it. Since I got it during that one-day forum sale, I'll have to think about it. I def won't be opening the package on that second SSA-E though. Again, maybe its just that this forum hypes the living crap out of these triggers. But what I can say is, it didn't blow my socks off. And all these claims of "zero creep" and all need to be taking with a grain of salt. My friend, don't settle for a less than satisfactory trigger pull. What you paid for the the trigger doesn't matter. But if you have any creep, then something is not right. Give us a call tomorrow 610 272 2060. We will get it replaced for you. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:21:03 PM EDT
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Brand new SSA-E with very little trigger time. I can detect the tiniest amount of creep at 2nd stage. I'm curious to see what several rounds does.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 2:55:14 PM EDT
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Guys, I just received my second SSA-E and there is an apparent issue. My first one is much better with only a small c-hair of creep and this new one is like a hybrid 2-stage and single stage with noticeable creep in the second stage. I can confirm there is an issue with some of the new SSA-Es coming out. Spoke to G and they are sending out a prepaid envelope immediately. Again, I have one from a year ago and a brand new one and the new one has an issue.
I can also tell you there is no hype - best trigger I have tried - period. You just can't go by the recent batch of SSA-Es that are coming out |
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Posted: 1/28/2014 3:34:36 PM EDT
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Go Hi Speed, problem solved.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 5:17:09 PM EDT
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I just got my replacement SSA-E and the return envelope from Geissele in 2 business days ( I am next door, in the Socialist Republic of N.J.) Noticeable difference over the latest SSA-E, and can hardly tell the difference between the replacement and my 4 yr. old SSA-E. Thanks Geissele, you guys and girls are the best!!!!!!!
 My old one will be in the mail tomorrow.
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Posted: 1/28/2014 5:28:11 PM EDT
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Give it 100-200 rounds…it'll smooth out. I don't care who says what about tool steel or whatever, they get smoother with use, and I do not oil my triggers. I just put my 5th G trigger in (SSA-E) and I can tell you for a fact they do get a little smoother over the first few hundred rounds. I have one with an easy 15,000 rounds on it and it is noticeably smoother and a hair lighter than the new one was. The new one now, however, is a lot more like the old one now that I have a few hundred rounds through the gun.
ETA - Never mind…just saw you sent it in. lol |
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